I did similar cases a few times.
I would add some good adtenuverter modules, like:

Befaco Atte, Black Noise Goma II, Rides in the storm QUA
or for 1u: Befaco 1u Motion MTR, inntellijell quadratt etc

Other option coulde be to add a Axon 2 expander besides your Pamelas Workout and discard ochd, tilt - to do all modulation just with Pams. A mixer module in the 1u would be useful to mix cvs but if you just use Pams + Axon 2 - you can mix and atenuate your modulation just in pams.

On the other hand ochd works well with morpagene and mimeophone

a Cara marbles clone works well in small cases

a Gliss 1u could be fun to record custom lfos and more stuff.

a small compressor like WMD mscl could be useful 4 hp
BAStL Ikarie is a good choice as a small filter with stereo spread and some gain. 8 hp

Rackbrute 6u is nice but then it will be harder to transport and it will be more as just a small effect rack.
Go for the Rackbrute if you want to build a whole ambient setup, with own voices, more complex modulation etc

watch out for some noise sources.
My secret weapon of choice is: SGR1806-20 kNoB technology but there are smaller alternatives.

A Benjolin could also be a good fit, like Benjolin V2. chaotic random + osc + filter.

Another idea could also to drop it all and to just get a "Befaco Oneiroi" for a pod or as standalone. = intant ambient similar to such a effect case - or maybe just Oneiroi + Pams

I would go definetly a whole different route with a Rackbrute 6u as with a palette case.

Has anybody experience, if its a good choice to buy?

You can not send gates to start recording, right?

I cant see a concept in you rack. Do you have one?

Maybe simplifiy it at first.
add some utility, like attenuators and stuff, and envelopes.
How do you distribute the modulation?
Looks like, you put many big and complex modules together but miss the whole important stuff around.
Looks a bit like a mess to me, but maybe you have a plan behind it and I just dont know what you are going after.

For my taste I experienced the subharmonicon way to hard to play with other instruments.
Because of the subharmonic character it can be hard to get musical results if you dont have a deep understanding of music theory, intervals, tunings and stuff.

If you do just noodleing and experimental music it might be a good playground but dont expect to get regular music out of it immediatly.

maybe leave your rack aside and just get a oneroi desktop.

awesome - I need this

what do you think about this one?

as far I know he is out of eurorack and uses a pulsar 23 + Torso T1 + 1010 Blackbox

I saw him latest at superbooth, playing with some harsh feedback-delay and resonance stuff.

Might be something new again in his setup right now.

EDITED Jun 20th, 05:13

just another take:

2 voices + filter with mixer and drive
or 1 voice + waveshaper + filter with mixer and drive

EDITED Jun 19th, 14:34

depends on what you want to do.
you can use them also for audio stuff.
But maybe add some more stuff, which you can modulate.

I would think that you can archieve a track like this with just:

marbles - for whole sequencing, also ratchets and bursts

beads - for granular effect on the arp

noise source
any vco for drone with some oomph processing. maybe with dark matter

vco for arp
morphagene - for string samples and glitch
mimeophon - for feedback and dark reverb

Vihkk x is awesome for drones
check it out

plus the right patching

EDITED Jun 10th, 14:16

Awesome.
Benjolin + fx´s is actually, one of my favorite things to do :D

I enjoy little ambient performance racks.

Here are a few small ideas. Every row is a new idea.

If you want do do more complex stuff, you can add more stuff later.

1. Vihhk X with 2 Gliss controllers

Vihh x is a monster of a drone voice with internal effects
You basically need no other effects, just modelating it can be fun.
Very simple and small

1 Gliss for sequences -
1 Gliss for modulation and motion recording
You could add more modulation later. (if needed)

2. Oneiroi -

all in one ambient voice, sampler, effect unit with internal modulation -
you can have fun just with this without anything else

3. Strega + 0-ctrl

experimental synth voice with delay effect
sequenced and controlled by 0-ctrl
very performance oriented, works well for soundscapes and noisescapes

4. Rack focused on SGR 1806-20

SGR is a industrial drum/noise voice but i can do awesome drones.
in combination with a mimeophon (dark delay, reverb, looper) it can be impressive
Dark Matter is nice for insane feedback but even suttle processing, and can do also insane sounds on its own.
Modulating Mimeophon and Dark Matter rhytmically can be awsome.
Mimeophon can be also like a instrument, with feeback and karplus strong.
Pamelas Pro Workout as Main modulation and sequencing hub.

5. Benjolin with Turing Maschine expanders as sequencer, modulation, filter and soundsource.
   You can use the SGR for industrial drums or even drones
   Dark Matter + Mimeophon (feedack, distortion, delay, reverb, looper)

6. Small SGR-Drone
   SGR as drone and noise source
   Ochd for slow envolving modulation + expander adds triggers, random, more cv for modulation.
   uClouds for reverb, granular

7. Labyrinth + Sealegs
   Labyrinth as soundsource and sequencer
   Sealegs as selfmodulating Delay, Saturation and reverb.
   There will be a lot of movement going on just with this 2 modules.

8. Maybe my favorite: Collide 4 focused with rhytmically noise sequencing

noise plethora + percal + muxslicer = glitchy, chopped up noise rhythms
Collide 4 as main vco, complex vco, percussion, distortion, processing, sound design tool
Mimeophon as looper with delay + reverb
Gliss can provide a quantized pitch sequence or just as custom lfo

EDITED Apr 18th, 13:58

I would like to drop the idea to just do a very small drum rack.
I had much fun to assemble different small drum maschines in eurorack in just a palette case or nifty case.
Sure its easier to get just a pulsar or something, but I really like the format and for me it works well and unique.
It could be fun

Thank you for pointing on this incredible pedal
- Now I need this.

Does someone like to sell or swap one?

Check the experimental sampler-modules of "Error Instruments"

I guess you could archive somekind of similar territority with:
"MI Beads" or "Moonson (with the right firmware)" + a turing maschine module like - (Noise Engineering Gamut Repetitor / Marbles, Clank Chaos .....)
But I guess there is some final sauce missing.

EDITED Apr 10th, 00:27

noise plethora + percall + muxslicer is fun

for wonky noise rhythms

you can test them in vcv rack

the analog filters of noise plethora are cool in the hardware module

maybe get a pams workout 🤖

I dont know if I understood you right, but

Bastl Instruments Dark Matter
Schlappi 100 Grit
Schlappi Angle Grinder

or the total overkill:

Forge Tme Vhikk x

is worth to check

Thank you so much.

Its incredible :D

Does anyone sell a Acid Rain Constellation at the moment?

I would like to get one

Can you make a video with sound-examples?

looks tasty.

I guess 1. as voice and 2. for sound processing?
I guess Hainbach does it also like that.

But all good things are 3 .... I meant 4! :D

EDITED Jan 23rd, 22:07

Check out:
Befaco Oneiroi - synth voice, looper, filter, fxs, reverb, delay, resonator, internal modulation

https://modulargrid.net/e/befaco-oneiroi

or

-a Make Noise Strega? experimental synth voice, delay, lots of magic for soundscapes
-maybe just add something like a MI Beads? gives your granular, delay, reverb .... all in one.
-or a Mimeophon? Delay, Feedback, looper, Reverb. = Fun

but check out the Oneiroi. could be what you are looking for

Could you tell me more about the possibilities?

What seems attractive to me is, to modulate "scale", "MMS" and "root"

With Clank Chaos, it can sometimes take a bit until you find a sequence you like.
But you can save it, recall it and apply "just a small percent of random" and it mutates with very useful results.
But you have only one (assignable) CV control, to modulate + 1 cv too start / stop looping + 1 cv to apply new random.

Hi :D

Any thoughts or experience on NE Gamut Repetitor vs Clank Chaos - for melodic sequencing?

I have a Clank Chaos and Im tempted to get a Gamut for doing melodic sequences, but I as Im thinking, the Chaos just has it all?

What about the musicallity results of the algorhitms?

I think something like:

Chaos:
like a 6 Channel Turinng Maschine with:
-individual randomisation of each channel
-control of individual channels
-global randomisation
-a few save slots to recall sequences

Gamut:
-4 Channel Turing Maschine
-only global randomisation
-no further control of individual channels
-some controls more accesable on front like "up/down", "root", "spread"
-no save slots

EDITED Jan 8th, 13:14

-You can not damage your eurorack modules during your basic patching. (like patching a audio module in a modulation module)
but you could crash your audio gear which comes after the eurorack, if you dont use a output-module and go out of your VCA-module without attenuation, with a (hot signal)
But with your Divkid Output-module you should be fine

-Always pay attention to connect the cables on the correct side with the red line. (otherwize damage to modules can happen)

-Be aware of your power consumption: which power your power supply can serve and how much power your modules need.
Some ppl say, its secure to to leave like 1/3 of the power cosumption unused.
Especially digital modules can be very power consuming.
Dont do things like, usinge 900 ma supply for 897 ma - better leave some space.
But as it seems that you might have a rackbrute 6u - that should all be fine.

check this:
https://modulargrid.net/e/skull-circuits-metal-o-tron-ii

but try the SSF, it´s awesome

metal tron too

EDITED Jan 4th, 21:07

so tasty

I want this really hard

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I got often criticized, because I criticise behringer.
For me it appears as mockerey.
I dont like it.

Maths=Abacus,
Blades=Swords
Tides=Waves

even that naming is a farce

EDITED Dec 7th 2024, 12:27

I use it as a kitchen sink, but it´s not made for that.

Why 2 clouds?

I would drop the behringer envelope and get something else. (or use maths for envelopes)
+ drop the behringer vcas and mixer - and look for something like a Veils or Quad Vca with more Vcas in one module
I like Nano Modules ONA as standard vco (its small hp)
I would drop all the behringer - even the low pass filter, there are other cool filters in this hp.

Maybe think about it a bit more

If you are in germany and have a chance to go to Berlin you should visit "Schneidersladen" - they advise you very well and can help you to start out.

They help you to craft your vision without buying to much stuff you won't need in the end.
They help to get a clear idea of what you want and need.

This helped me a lot.

Its worth to visit a dedicated modular store with people focused on modular.
(Dont go to casual music stores, they have mostly no idea)

As you own Pams already, I think its worth to try it with Pams.
I had great results with it.
Dont overlook its great powers.
You can do it all with it.

different trippy clock divisions and patterns work well on the BIA inputs.
Try to play with Phase, With and Level on Pams with different settings each on the channels, if needed with a additional attenuverter, polarizer.
like set the Phase 25 % off on (attack of the BIA) for noise/hats
looped random on (algorithms of BIA)
a different looped random on (octaves of BIA)
on fold
on harmonics
and so on....

When you find something that works, you can save the settings of the channels as presets and recall them later, to play the same patterns, when you need it.

(may combine it with euclidean patterns)
Also the turing maschine functionality is very useful.

A big thing are the logic functions.
You can set different operations to Mix Channels, like combine channel 1 and 2 and get the Min, Max and so on

I enjoy it very much to do that stuff.

EDITED Aug 15th 2024, 20:46

There are many approaches depending on the modules you have.

I do it with traffic from olive tress at the moment.
(Traffic, let you defince cv states, so you can get 3 sounds like a kick, a snare and a hat, to be triggered seperately out of the BIA.)

Back in the days, I used Mimetic Digitalis with Lapsus Os. It gives in sum 8 outputs. (4 sequences, each 2 times)

Voltage block will work well.

You can do it very well with Pamelas Pro Workout. (8 outs)
With cross channel logic, you get amazing results

EDITED Aug 15th 2024, 12:59

Metropolix, Atlantix and Sealegs are very nice and powerfull modules.
I guess a great combo and I would love to have them. They are bit like the rolls royce of modules. High quality and features.
Its pricey, but awesome.

Yes Atlantix is a complete voice and this saves some modules. So this is a good idea. Because this gives a good ground and you may only add some small modules to get more out of it.

Utilities are very important and its always good to have the basic ground covered. But this can also grow with time.

It can be a interesting approach to start with these 3, to experience the limitations and to add was is missing later. I guess, modulating these 3 on itself could be fun.

Modular can be everything, it doesnt have to be complex, as long as you like it. And even with this 3 modules you can do very complex stuff.

In general, I would recomment to get a bigger rack at the beginning.
Its good to leave space to build around the Atlantix.
Because if you start with these 3 modules, you will see very quick, which functions are missing.

This will be probably small utilitie-modules like: a mult, attenuverters, a dedicated LFO, a mixer for cv, more random, logic modules, clock dividers
It always grows. So better leave enough room for it - or you have to buy another case again.
One 1U row is not enough space for that, in my opinion.

something like Pamelas Pro Workout could be useful.

Atlantix and Cascadia are different in character, so its a matter of taste, which you like.

Plonk is very cool. But be aware, its menu divey. I have Plonk and I love and hate it. I think 1 Plonk is enough, its very deep and complex and you can save and load drum kits on it, which can be sequenced. So you can get very much out of only one.

This makes me drool .... :D

what is missing is all the other stuff, utilities, modulation and so on, but maybe you only need a few to compliment your atlantix.

For a FX rack better leave the voices out. As I understood you want to process your other synths.

I would keep the Ikarie and drop the rest for other stuff.

For Fx Rack:
-I like hands on modules like: Mimeophon as Delay, Reverb and Stereo-Feedback looper, all in one.
-Qu-bit Data Bender is nice for processing.

-Small and slow modulation sources like Divkid Ochd + Expander or NC Triple Sloths are useful
-Bastl Neo Trinity could be a good Modulation Hub for a rack of this size.

-Ikarie is cool for stereo filter, with drive

-There very small versions of rings and clouds, like nanorings and uClouds.

My thoughts are:

-to many voices in a small rack - Do you want / need that?
-lack of basic utillity = attenuverters, lfos, switches, mults ......
-lack of modulation

Maybe overthink the whole thing?

quick random ideas on this

-I would drop the a-118, a-156 and get a Pamelas Pro Workout instead.
You can use it for for clock, random, quantizer, logic, lfos and more stuff.
I love Pams Pro because its possibility of cross modulation of the channels and the logic functions

-T-Networks trough the waveshaper? - I was very disapointed from the T-Networks. Dry without a bunch distortion and processing its probably not very pleasing?
I would drop the T-Networks, 2-hp kick and get a nice percussion module like a NE BIA or Ultra perc which can be modulated very intense.

-Add a nice wonky dedicated LFO of your choice or (Pams)

-I would suggest a other mixer as NGM.
If you want to have a Rides on the Storm module, then maybe "XXM-mixer" (also good for cv)
-Bastl Aikido is mega cool (as mixer with sidechaining + feedback stuff + also as vca)

-3 FEGs - for what?

-I would drop Zverb - and get a Mimeophon :D

-Maybe get rid of the erica double bass. The A - 116 as bass voice is enough, or drop the A - 116.

-Everyone loves plaits - Do you really need it?
You can also use it for percussion and drums instead of dedicated drum modules

-Be aware of your filters. I think they are a bit similar. Do you need it?

-How do you sequence melodies, basslines etc?
maybe get a sequencer, some turing maschine module (or use also Pams for this)

-Bastl Neo Trinity could also be a nice fit for a small rack besides Pams

EDITED Jul 31st 2024, 22:23

1. At first you probably need a bigger a case and more fundamental utilities, like attenuverters, polarizer, envelopes, lfos .....
   Its all mentioned in recent posts.

My first impression, I might missunderstood it at first glance is:

1. drums:
   come from the jomox drummaschine // you can just use samples from the web and put in your /Digitakt, elektron samples, computer or sampleplayer of choice

2. synth hook

- seems to be the combination of a analog complex vco processed with a modulated filterbank.
you could try to emulate this with different cheaper vcos and filterbanks - but I guess the particular Verbos Filterbank has a special character. So it will be propably hard to come exactly near.
But there are a few cheaper filterbanks, you could combine a fixed filterbanks with a vca.
Like a Zlob VC F3DB, ADDAC 601 .....

3. Sequencing
   Mimetis digitalis is nice, but Im not sure, if this enough to get organic sequences. Maybe better a sequencer with more settings per stage. Maybe it gets more unstable and floating or more wonky with crazy settings on pams to reset and shift the mimetic? I had good results with marbles + mimetic.

4. DFAM is fun as hell, but you could add them later.

5. I heard on a crappy PA, but the examples I heard seem to sound a bit cold and vintage vibed.
   I guess a analog mixer and some hardware for analog coloring and maybe sparse digital delay - could be useful

- maybe you can get also close to this with a software emulation from UAD or something like that.

EDITED Jul 18th 2024, 17:47

To be honest I dont know DC11 yet, so I dont know which kind of sound and modules you are looking for.

Can you give sound examples of DC11?
Where can we see his rack? - to figure out alternatives.

EDITED Jul 17th 2024, 20:59

pretty standard but a good start to get you goining.

consider to add;
attenuverter/scaler/polarizer
a nice lfo
a filter
mult, clock divider, switch
maybe another soundsource

Marbles and o_C do do the job to play 'itself'

Pams is always nice for everything

Im not quiet familiar with the Oxi. (Im testing one at the moment for the first time)
But I guess you can do much like lfos, envelopes + logic gates and stuff with the oxi.
So its just a question of taste and workflow.
But in general, maybe you could focus on a more modular experience instead of just dropping voices to control it with the oxi. (Which is also fine, if this is what you want)

Your rack looks a bit shuffeled and incoherent to me. Seems to be a approach to become a groovebox rack .
A few good standard picks, almost everybody does like (BIA+Mimetic Digitalis+Lapsus Os) but not much coherence and context.

Maybe think about, which exact role your rack should take.
What does it need, what should it do?
If you go hybrid or with semi-modular stuff, a rack focused on utility could be useful.
If you use it with a analog rhytm - do you need a dedicated kickdrum?
So maybe focus on more standard building blocks.

Do you just want to replace the elektron stuff with a groovebox rack you patched once and set and forget?
Do you want to do complex patches and discover modular?
Do you really need the modular for generative stuff or is your oxi + elektron gear enough?

If you just do the same stuff with you modular as you do with the other gear, it could be a expensive toy at the end.

I think it depends how good you threat your modules.
If you have insuffiecent power in your rack it may occur that you grill a module.
If you buy used modules on MG, which gone through a couple of hands, there is always a chance that the people did some crap with it. + that they are not honest and sell you a troubled module.

QU-Bit for instance gives a lifelong guarantee. They will help always with issues and repairs for free, even if the regular guarantee time is over. I guess there are more manufacturers who do it too.

Since today, I had no function issue with my modules, only knobs or nuts got a bit loose.

But in 3 cases, MG-sellers did withold that they sell me a broken or troubled module, which I didnt see immedately. I guess the previous owners treathed them harsh.
The first module worked at the first runs, but after a short while it was not completly working - 1/3 of the features and inputs didnt response
The second module, had the problem that the nut of the trigger-input was loose and fall completly off.
The third Module had a broken clock input, the rest was working.

Things like that are pain in the *****.

EDITED Jun 18th 2024, 16:56

what do you miss?

Maybe it works with your akai force but its seems very uncomplete to me.
I dont get the idea at the moment.

in general:

too much voices and to less of everything else

5 voices and 1 filter?
to less modulation
to less utility like attenuverters and stuff

you mix and master in your laptop?
you use external fx?

I struggle a bit.
Thank you for your advices
Right now I see no approach to decide yet.
Maybe you could help me to thin things out?
(Writing this also helps me to recap on it)

I want something to keep things easier and play live.

I want to be able to play tracks / projects I did prepare before and mangle them live.
My goal is to play recognizable tracks, that I can fire of and do live variations.
Reduction and simplicity is also something I have in mind.
(Before I did more complex stuff, that is harder to recreate and to focus on on live situations.)

black sequencer -
has 4 channels + mod lane each
(Could be enough, if I focus on main parts and reduction)

Eloquencer -
looks very nice to me. Very simple to access and straight forward.
it reminds me on the oxi one but without odd magic features.

Oxi -
seems to be a good everything device. (Maybe also as a daw sequencer)
But I dont like to have much stuff in front of me outside the rack)
Im temped to try it for some magic in daw production.
A plus could be its versetility - to use it for computer, eurorack and hardware synths. - I think of it more as a playable sketchbook and producion helper

Im also temped to use a Acid Rain Constellation for drums.

In fact, I have much generative and random stuff and I think I need really something to give more of a leading structure.

Any suggestions for a main (brain) sequencer?

I use a couple of different small modular sequencers, but want to try to go with a main sequencer

What met my eye recently was:

winter modular eloquencer,
erica synths black sequencer
Oxi one

I would like to have a very performative sequencer,
saving compositions and playing after power circles should be supported

Right now I use mainly
Bloom + clank chaos + marbles + Mimetic Dgitalis + Pams + traffic + others

.... the Black Noise Cosmos .... It's sort of an endless patching wormhole/analog computer thing like Maths or the Serge world.
-- Zacksname

May I ask about your experience with Black Noise Cosmos? Im very interested in this kind of modules. I also consider Ana 2 from mystic circuits. Could you tell me soemthing more about its use and benefits?
Right now I use Pamelas Pro Workout for logic stuff, but Cosmos and Ana seem to be very cool.
Im wondering, how something like a Cosmos could expand my possibilities? (In Pams you can also dial in specific logic operations and apply it on the inputs + add more operations with the cross channels)
Maybe there are some cheaper 1u alternatives?

....tbh I wish I'd bought 2 doepfer ones - ergonomics and attenuversion
JimHowell1970

Same here. I got the wyrd matrix mixer to save space....works well, but it is way to fiddly to use it properly with the small knobs.
I guess a good matrix mixer should have it´s space.

wogglebug has wilder random as turing maschine, if this is your taste. + special feautures like audio mangling etc - its more beasty stuff

Turing maschine is more straight forward, but lovely and nice with expanders - the Pulses expander does nice gates
especialy with Benjolin V2 from After Later Audio
- you can chain it with all expanders
(I love this combo)

Benjolin V2 alone is also nice for random + it has a nice filter
+ BV2 is a nice crazy sound design tool

thoughts

I would suggest to only get a few utilities for the start and just build stuff around your moogs.

Not a 3000 Dollar investment

As you say you are more in ambient music:

for random:

Marbles could maybe suit you better instead of a turing maschine.
or clank chaos

Clank chaos has also a sequencer mode and many scales for quantization
Marbles is more accessable with just twisting knobs

check them out

Dont forget Pamelas New Pro Workout can do most of the stuff, like lfos, sequencing, random, logic, etc

combined with things like maths, lapsus os, 3xMia, Miso or 4ms mingler - Pams can archieve a lot you would search in other modules

Modulation:

Ochd + Ochd expander is good for ambient - applying slow modulations
or NLC Triple Sloths

?

If you want fo go west coast - Do you need more filters?

vcas:

check bastl Aikido for audio processing. Feedback-patching, Sidechain, compression, spectral follower.

Intelijell quad vca for cv processing - also great audio quality

Attenuverter, Offsett, Scale:

4ms shifting mingler
Noise Engineering Lapsus Os
Tiptop Miso
3xMia

wavefolder

Maybe a Steady Fate Gate?
Low pass gate, saturation + wavefolder
sounds amaizing

bastl modules are interesting because they are mostly designed for wild feedback stuff.

like bastl timber, waver or dark matter

I guess, if I had the moogs, I would just make a little pod with a few picks of these:

1. Priority:
   maths
   pams
   ochd+expander
   any matrix mixer
   triple sloths
   mini marbles clone or clank chaos
   mingler or lapsus os

2. later additional:
   SSF Gate
   benjolin V2
   bastl aikido
   intellijell quad vca

everything small whats missing, like; switches, mults, divider, dedicated logic modules .....

EDITED May 21st 2024, 01:51

Im chasing for 4ms pods

pls contact me if you sell (or swap) some - in (EU)