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Both of you guys have helped me immensely. I will start with the most essential few units and figure out how to integrate into my existing DAW + Behringer Model D + CAT stuff before plunging any deeper. I think it is a really good point that more stuff could just mean more overhwhelm as a newbie. Will also do research on all the VCV equivalents so that I can play around with that in software form.
I really appreciate ya'll both taking the time. See you around the forum!
P.
Hi there !
As you discuss the Hermod, I wanted to jump in to say that it can do a few more things on top of midi to cv conversion ;)
IMO, it's a beast that can do a lot in a rack, and when I started with a smaller setup, it proved really useful as:
- lfo
- step modulation sequencer/recorder
- euclidian sequences
- random sequences
Biggest downside for me is the limited CV inputs, but I learned to live with it - the modmatrix helps with that. I also read a lot of complaints about the fact that entering notes with the small screen and the single encoder can be a hassle but if you connect any type of midi keyboard to it, it's a breeze (also works with Push sending note info to Hermod through Ableton, if you have that).
And indeed, as you already noted, because the Hermod+ came out, a lot of people (including me, hehe) are selling their Hermod v1 for relatively cheap, making it particularly good value for the money at the moment.
For your other questions, because I 100% agree with Larsech that modular is what you make of it and only you can decide what makes it interesting, I would be tempted to ask question n°1 back at you :-) Does it look useful/fun/playable enough to you ? Marbles if fantastic IMO, but it didn't make my rack because I prefer going about other ways, the question here is will you get what you want from it ? I'd suggest playing with it in VCV and decide for yourself, I think all the Mutable modules are all in the VCV free library (Marbles is Random Sampler by Audible Instruments for example), and playing inside VCV can teach you a lot about what feels fun to you in terms of patching, all for free.
As for your buying sequence, Plaits + Maths + Quad VCA is the barebones version, it will make sound and give you space to explore for a while. Then you can add Hermod if you want to have immediate midi connectivity and loads of other tools and Polaris if you'd like a filter in the rack (you can always use a VST one after your modular when you start if funds are really limited, I guess). I mention the 3 modules version with Plaits + Maths + Quad VCA (or even with Polaris before Hermod) because I think it can also be an interesting creative challenge to learn the modules and have fun while also spending less, I mean Maths is highly praised for good reasons and so is Plaits... My guess is that by the time you have your first 5 modules and have played with them, you'll probably have a good idea of what feels right next...
One last piece of advice, if I may, it's one I hope you've already seen elsewhere but it's very valuable so here it goes again: go slow, keep doing loads of research and learn the modules you already in depth before deciding to buy more. It will save you hard earned money, and make you a better musician with your instrument in my humble opinion. If you think about it, not being able to afford a full rack from the start may be a blessing in disguise ;-)
Hope this helped !
D.
--- Voltage control all the things ---
Feature request: Rack grouping, to edit/view groups of racks as a complete system on a single page (and ideally be able to edit the order/layout in which the racks are shown). This would be helpful for planning out multi-rack studios.
-- Technomancy
Came here to also request this- I agree that having some higher level grouping concept like a "system" which has multiple racks and a shared module pool would be great. I also would request the same rack be able to be part of multiple systems, like if you have different configurations or groupings of racks/hardware based on your use case, like a live system vs. studio system, etc.
Larsech and Forum,
Thanks for the response! The duplicate Hermods were a mistake (I removed the Hermod+ because the original is quite a bit less expensive). I was originally going to put a Mutant Brain midi i/o module in the rack to get a midi signal in, but the price difference between that and a used Hermod seemed small enough that I thought I could get Midi In plus some Midi effects with the Hermod (though I can do everything I read about for midi effects in DAW too). I thought that since it accepts CV in also that I could use it for some kind of sequencing or weirness that I do not yet understand.
Also, you asked about an audio interface...I have an apollo twin that accepts line level, plus a guitar input. I hoped that if I reduce input gain on the apollo, I could probably get by with a signal from the rig without a dedicated output module (though I don't even know what part of the current rig would output into the apollo, frankly.
I have taken your feedback about randomness and an extra oscillator, and made two additions: Marbles (randomness with a gentler learning curve) and Dixie 2+ (well-reviewed analog oscillator).
Here is a link to the updated plan: https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_3025046.jpg
Questions:
1) Does this look about right in terms of introducing more randomness and oscillator source?
2) Because I can't afford all of this at once, could you suggest a sequence in which to buy so that I can learn as I grow the system? I was thinking Mantis case plus used modules going in order pretty much from left to right, but that is not a very scientific sequencing of module procurement...
Again, thanks for making the time to help a stranger out. Very much appreciated.
P.
I've been chatting with ChatGPT about this rack and just wanted to save a current "thought":
"To go from “very close” to “something special”:
Stop thinking in terms of modules
Start thinking in terms of roles
Let Collide 4 decide when things happen
Let MISO decide how things move
Let øchd decide how things breathe
You’ve built a rack that can evolve, respond, and surprise you — without being chaotic or unfocused."
is there anybody who sells his modul ?
contact me if you know other CS80 Modules, exept the Deckards Dream Bullshit.
Hi,
welcome! I'll start by asking: are the two hermods a mistake, or were you planning to put both in your rack?
Secondly: do you plan to use eurorack on its own, or in conjunction with your other gear? If so, I think hermod is unnecessary if you plan to use it as a simple midi to cv converter. It is an extremely powerful sequencer, but it's overkill if you only plan to use it for conversion for sequences coming from live/other external devices.
Lastly: do you also have an outboard mixer, or other gear of some sort that you can connect your modular to and bring it into your daw (that also accepts modular level)? If not, I think an output module is also needed.
What you have shown here is absolutely enough to begin your journey. What is and is not interesting is extremely subjective, especially in modular land. Personally, I would add another simple basic analog oscillator, and some more hands on modulation/random. A turing machine and/or the simplest step sequencer you can find. For me, especially in modular land, interesting is very often closely related to unexpected. That's when modular is not a collection of modules, but becomes an instrument in the more traditional sense of the term: something that you have a conversation with, and it has to be able to talk back and not just execute instructions.
Hello Forum,
A humble request for advice with some context:
I have a home studio with midi keyboard, Native Instruments Maschine, and a bunch of guitars. I also bought a couple of behringer synths to try and figure out why people prefer physical synth hardware to the DAW life. (It turns out they are both excellent approaches for me).
As a hobbyist, I really enjoy the speed of being able to experiment with software synths in my music and now use my midi keyboard to play analog synths. Now for Eurorack...I would like to buy secondhand gear to augment what I can do with Maschine, Kontakt, Logic, and (a very little so far) ableton. I have done a ton of research and am now asking for feedback...**If I want to augment native instruments software suite and record into my computer, is the following sufficient to generate musical, interesting stuff?
Thanks all for any insights you can provide.
P.
Any resellers in EU?
I want this badly, but taxes from UK are a barrier to me.
Greetings
Chris
oooooo the ADDAC604 would be perfect for all the stereo stuffs!
howdy! As it is, the main things I'd say are 1) the 921A doesn't really do much without the 921B oscillators it's meant to drive. You could use it as a controller for the other oscillators I suppose, but it feels a little unnecessary in this setup. 2) I'd put the Surges next to the 2600 oscillator. Since the other oscillator already has a vcf and vca it feels most natural to send the 2600 to Surges. 3) The 110 oscillator has that "Initial Gain" knob, but the 2600 oscillator doesn't have its own volume knob. It can be controlled by the mixer or the input gain on Surges but will send a continuous tone on its own. That 3rd point leads me to my main recommendation for you: you could really use some form of envelope. The Make Noise Maths (or Behringer Abacus to stay on brand) is a great module for this as well as learning about modular workflow in general. A basic patch as is without envelopes would be 2600 out (waveform of your choice) into Surges input, Surges output to the Behringer mixer chanel 1. 110 vca out to mixer chanel 2. 182 cv1 out to 2600 kbd cv in, gate 1 out to Surges level in and/or freq in. 182 cv2 out to 110 vco mod in with the attenuator all the way up, 182 gate out to 110 vca and/or vcf mod in. mixer out to that audio out module. A bit limited on shaping the sounds without envelopes and lfos, but can give you a good start! Happy patching!
Hi guys, I created this little gem for some ambient... I'd like some ideas on how to fill those 6hp.?
I was thinking of a filter , your ideas are welcome!
Best wishes at all
hi guys and happy xmass
ive been banging my head against a brick wall ....so ive done the obvious solution and have included all modules i have with the same case and psu
so can anyone give me a idea what to do such as placements of the modules,patch cables and am i right in thinking all volume on each module ( were applicable ) should be set to "0"
Hi, all,
I've been expanding the NiftyCase setup shown here: 
The new one is ALA 7u 84hp, intended for both coffeehouse gigs and home compositions, some of which will have its audio chopped up and used along softsynths in Logic.
I don't have all these modules purchased yet, but working toward it and open to feedback: 
Thanks!
Sorry to hear that! It sounds like you're running into a couple issues: 1) no sound comes out of your mixer 2) the octal vca signal is noisy. For the octal vca, it's possible it just operates with a little more noise bleed than the minibrute vca. Is it the same amount of noise in different channels? For the behringer mixer, have you tried running the minibrute oscillator or another sound source into the mixer?
i want this ?
Das anybody have this module to make a zoom meeting ?
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It has been a really nice experience to buy from Gabor.
Excellent service, attention to details and no fuss.
Strongly recommended :)
Thanks you so much for the sweet deal on the Sample Drum.
Hi friends,
I hope to be in the right forum : I would like to buy (new or used in perfect cond) a Triglav Modular Clockwork Card 208–5 for the Buchla 208. Triglav site and thread do not answer... will you have one to sell to me ?
Many thanks and all the best for the new year !
Something like 2FA will come but it has to be done in a way that won't annoy anyone. For most people MG is just a database to dragdrop modules around, they won't like to give away their mobile phone numbers or fumble around with 3rd party authenticator apps.
I totally get that, a user friendly platform is very important. Better password requirements unfortunately have been proven to often not be effective, because complexity results in users either forgetting their password or recycling their password frequently.
My take would be to require 2FA only for users who intend to sell on MG. This is a common requirement for any modern marketplace platform and I don't think it would be out of place for MG to also enforce this.
However the only two things that really allowed for that to happen were 1; bad account security by the user and 2; bad account security practises by MG.
We allowed weak passwords, that was the problem. That isn't the case anymore. Also login, password forget, etc are now way better protected against bot attacks.
It is beyond me why we do not yet have 2FA implemented on MG. A marketplace with this many users really needs more security features to keep their users' accounts safe,
-- toptier
Something like 2FA will come but it has to be done in a way that won't annoy anyone. For most people MG is just a database to dragdrop modules around, they won't like to give away their mobile phone numbers or fumble around with 3rd party authenticator apps.
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Hey everyone,
Together with my buddy Calci Trax (Greg), we treated ourselves to a small Tekno live set.
He’s playing on the Perkons HD-01, while I’m running my industrial techno modular rack.
The kick is, of course, handled by the Basmilus, paired with the Manis and Kraken for drums, plus an MCO mk2 for extra noise textures and percussive elements.
The Perkons HD-01 is used for both drones and drums.
Thanks a lot for the reposts, views, and subscriptions — big love to the community ❤️
a bit more detail. i tried to send an envelope from pamelas new workout to the cv in of the octal vca, so that the audio from plaits would go to my mixer module(behringer cp3a-m), but i got no sound when i did.
well shit. i got some good modules today but my doepfer octal vca cant get my plaits clone to my mixer module when it gets an input from pams, the mixer just doesnt send anything out, and when i send it in from the vca theres lots of noise. it sounds fine when it goes through the minibrute vca though. what's going on? am i doing something wrong with my vca?
I personally do not sell anything without being 100% in control of what happens to the money I receive when selling modules, or anything online. There have been far too many instances, not just on MG, but worldwide, of people abusing the buyers protection system. There is a reason why sellers on Reverb only sell items "as is". If they don't, they risk having the money they received refunded to the buyer, and they will never ever see the item they sent them back.
Who in their right mind would agree on selling something to a stranger with the condition that if the person you sold it to can simply revert the transaction with very little effort, WITHIN 180 DAYS? That makes no sense to me.
I know we have recently had a few cases of a user having their account hacked and buyers getting scammed out of their money. However the only two things that really allowed for that to happen were 1; bad account security by the user and 2; bad account security practises by MG.
It is beyond me why we do not yet have 2FA implemented on MG. A marketplace with this many users really needs more security features to keep their users' accounts safe, because it is common knowledge that the majority of people have a very poor sense of what makes for good account security.
That depends on if you see the Morgasmatron as just for filtering a VCO vs other things in your rack (eg. Multigrain). Hard to give specifics because usage is so subjective -- I'm not sure what you want this thing to sound like. If I were to swap the Dixie out with anything, for example, I'd swap it for a Cold Mac to add complexity/weridness to my CV, but maybe you want something more straightforward. I think the exercise for you at this point is to run through some imagined patches thinking about how you want the CV to interact with your modules and work backwards from there. Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion around here, but ChatGPT can actually be really helpful for this.
Thank you very much for your insights and your help.
I think it probably makes the most sense to give up the Dixie — if I were to remove the Rubicon instead, the Morgasmatron would probably feel oversized in relation to the Dixie, wouldn’t it?
If I do remove the Dixie, I only free up 8 HP, which isn’t a lot of space.
Could you give me a clearer, more concrete suggestion of how you would approach this? What would you remove, and which modules would you add?
This is mainly to help me see beyond my own perspective and think about the system in a different way.
Looks like a really well designed case! Some people would say the point of modular is to create your own instrument's ethos instead of following that of a single manufacturer; but actually the point of modular is to do whatever you want. The Intellijel ecosystem is very robust.
A couple notes from my perspective:
- I think you're right -- ditch the 1u effect. A noise/random source would be good (though I think Pam's can do some of that too, so you're not totally without as is? I don't have one so I'm not sure).
- In general where I think you lack is CV utilities -- you can generate a fair amount between Quadrax, Tete, and Pam's, but you don't have a lot of options for mixing/scaling/offsetting let alone folding/comparing/rectifying etc. I wonder if you need all of Dixie/Morgasmatron/Rubicon: you've got a lot of voices for a small system. I'd maybe ditch either Rubicon or Dixie, and this is where I'd consider stepping out of the Intellijel ecosystem for a compact, CV toolbox type module and, if you have the space, a dediciated LFO (either complex, Batumi-style, or freeform Ochd-style, depending on your use) module perhaps.
Hope this helps. Happy Holidays!
Hi
thanks a lot for writing to me. I do see your point as well
I’m happy to explain what I’m searching for or what I want to do, so you can better judge what makes sense for my setup.
I’m not looking for a classic studio- or DAW-oriented case. I want a case that is mainly suited for live performance, play along and have fun and also (maybe a little bit of experimental, but i think modular is this anyway). It doesn’t need classic drum modules, since I already have a small case with Queen of Pentacles and Ghost,... I think ambient, chilling sound and adding field recordings is important for me.
Also what is important to me is having a granular module in the system. I compared Multigrain with Arbhar and Morphagene, and I think Multigrain fits best for what I want to do. But its hard to say, if you had never one of these to choose the right one.
I’ve read a lot about Metropolix being very intuitive, melodic, and well suited for live use, which is why I decided on it.
Since I already have hard-hitting drums with Queen of Pentacles, I thought a physical modeling percussion module like Plonk would complement the setup nicely in terms of drums and percussion and the ambient vibes?
I already own Pamela’s New Workout and Quad VCA, and they will definitely be part of the system.
Of course, regarding the synth voice and its signal path (Dixie, Rubicon, Morgasmatron, Quadrax), there are thousands of alternatives for building such a voice. What I’m lacking is experience, and I don’t know the other modules any better than the Intellijel ones. I could also go in a more classic direction with something like Plaits and a Wasp filter, or XPO and QPAS and Maths…
In this area, I’m honestly quite unsure about what exactly I should do.
In the end, live playability is very important to me. I mainly want to enjoy playing the system and discovering new things over time. It doesn’t need to be integrated into a studio setup.
Maybe you can recommend something based on these thoughts?
Thanks a lot and best regards.
intellijel gear is very well made, but personally I wouldn't stick to one manufacturer. what are you attempting to achieve? answer that question first, then look for modules that go in that direction , then consider manufacturers. at least that how I approach it. if you don't know what you're hoping to achieve , go step by step to discover it
is there anybody who sells his modul ?
Its me again... I think about to kill the 1U FX and put the 1U noise generator with random and sample and hold in it... maybe the better choice?
Hi guys,
I have a question regarding the configuration of the Intellijel Performance Case Gen.2 that’s about to be released.
I’m thinking about building an almost all-Intellijel case and I have a few questions where I’m sure many of you can share your experiences and opinions.
Do you think it makes sense to build a case that contains mostly modules from a single manufacturer like this?
(Pro: the modules work well together. Con: maybe it’s too limiting?)
Do you think this case is well put together as it is, or would you swap some of the listed modules for other Intellijel modules instead?
I’ve never worked with 1U modules before. Do you think the 1U modules chosen here make sense, and do you find it useful to have the 1U row in the middle of the case instead of installing the 1U rail at the top of the case?
Thanks a lot for your feedback and help.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a calm, relaxing holiday season.
Cheers
Any feedback on this would be appreciated, whats missing, or would help or isnt needed, thanks. Im going for rythmic sequenced industrial. I have a grind and model 15, with a tx-6 mixer and ableton.
Hello,
I am not a very experienced trader, but I have done some (successful) trades in the french market (audiofanzine) in the past using services like paypal F&F.
I get why there's a strong recommendation against using it to trade gear. There's basically no real guarantee for the buyer.
I had a person ask me recently if we could go through PP buyer protection, while I have nothing against it in principle, the policy states that the buyer has 180 days (!) to lodge a complaint. Thats's 6 months where anything can happen, and from what I read, "things" happen : apparently the system is commonly abused, with a skew favoring the buyer.
Seems to me these services transfer the risk to the seller. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see little upside on my end, as a seller.
Question for experienced sellers : short of reverb (or looper in france which is down atm) : is there a less risky way to do payment while offering guarantees on both side ?
Thanks!
Building a (third) techno live setup in a (small) retro samsonite case!
The star of the show is the MOOG Labyrinth.
It's two random / "corruptable" sequencers control the Labyrinth itself but also the Doepfer A-111-6 Synth Voice.
The two modules in between let me chose between seq1 en seq2 for the A-111-6
Drums: Behringer RS-9 and Endorphine's Queen of Pentacles.
The objective of this setup: create random techno with two synths and drums. 
First post here with a thought... I havefound myself wishing there was another option between Free and Unicorn that might be a little more affordable and just offer a bit less.
I imagine you have your reasons for not offering this but thought I'd go ahead and make the suggestion. I'd like to support the site but 36ish bux is just a bit steep and I don't need 100 racks... something a little more moderately priced and less racks?
Thanks for listening!
~ c ~
I assume this isn't current.
Does anyone know what his current performance rack looks like?
would be fancy if it was 10 years ago, now its just the same old gold design with zero innovation with a clickbait to sort by price, i never liked this company from the beginning, look at xaoc, make noise, ssf, and this same old 20hp gold oscillator of the most mundane sounds
-- compviga
Wow. I always thought that if you didn't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, guess you missed that memo. This company is amazing as are their modules, they are definitely far from "mundane"! I feel sad for you if you can't get that experience in your world view and I hope you find what ever it is you are looking for eventually so you can spend less time dumping on other people's hard (and excellent) work.
I would love to try this module out one day, but I may have to visit Glasgow (again) to do it!
Music Is The Best (F.Z.)
just email him and he gets back to you when he has made some stock. Thats what I did.
yeah the rs9 will go first - you take trigs out of RS-9 from one of the tracks and then patch into the TRIG IN of the 182. This way your melodies will have rhythm to it instead of just advancing one step sequentially based on just starting the sequencer on its own. You will get some nice melodies. Program 7 trigs on the RS9 over a bar and use a 5 step sequence in the 182 to get you started and you will hear an evolving melody.
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ive 90% done but i still have a beringer RS-9 to go into the build which will when completed create the backbone of any musical creation
you learn something new every day and for the sequencer to work is to let it produce voltages and then using a vco create them into audible sounds
but how does the RS-9 connect to the system
so does the RS-9 go before the 182 sequencer
like i said this is a amazing learning curve ... but it also shows how the pioneers created their music
I got a troggotronics power supply because its the only one I could find that have the necesary amount of power and pin headers.
Ive been super happy with it. However, it will likely require a minimal amount of wiring. I remember it being quite simple though.
Is anybody in the United States interesting in selling their Microcell? I sold mine and I want it back :)
Love the "train horn" sounds...as always, thank you for sharing!!
-- Jukeshoe
Thank you for listening yeah the train horn took a while to get that "old timey wild west" kinda sound. Comes from the Crum Hum with a verbe filter in Logic Pro
Love the "train horn" sounds...as always, thank you for sharing!!
“You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
