You're totally right; I was being stubborn about the need to include percussion in the rack. Offloading to a drum machine like an Elektron Syntakt seems like a more cost effective and playable option. And I hadn't even considered how much of a PITA it would be to dink with the drum modules as they were situated, let alone mix or modulate.

Based on your feedback, I've taken another stab:

In focusing on four voices (Oneiroi, Vhikk X, Pluck, and Vowel), the priority should be in accomodating sufficient sequencing, modulation, and mixing. It seems viable, but I just want to confirm the following:

• Too many filters?
• Too few envelope generators?
• (Catch-all) Suboptimal use of rack space?

Thank you again for all your advice and help!

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You're welcome, I'm glad that you found the thoughts helpful!

There are two main things I would address with the latest iteration of your rack, and they are both related to the percussion modules, some of which you already mentioned in your last paragraph:

1. There is still a deficiency of mixing capacity present for the percussion modules if you intend to use all of them at the same time as the Vhikk X and Oneiroi. In order to use all four percussion modules simultaneously, you would be occupying all four channels of your stereo mixer, leaving no room to use the other voices. You could use the four channels of the Quad VCA as a mixer, but then you miss out on having the VCAs there for creative modulation purposes. You will probably want to add a four-channel mono audio mixer in there, at the least. Or more VCAs.
2. Those percussion modules are so small and tightly packed that it's going to be a struggle to enjoy using them. And trying to use them in any sort of live application is likely going to be frustrating, unless you intend to never make any adjustments to their knobs. Notice how the other modules are designed with more space between the knobs and jacks, and even some of those are tight and not the most ergonomic.

My recommendation could go two ways:

1. If you are set on having a kit-worth of percussion modules in your rack, I would recommend going back to the original WMD ones and adding at least 50% more rack space. But really I think you would be better off doubling it, either as a case that is twice as big or a second one of equal size.
2. Take the percussion duties out of this rack and go with an external drum machine. For the same cost as the trigger sequencer and miniature percussion modules in the latest rack iteration, you could get someting much more practical, user-friendly, and capable for percussion duties.

I hope those critiques don't come off as too harsh, but I think they are valuable things to consider.

I hope some of that is helpful again!

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@Chace, thank you so much for your feedback on the first version of the rack. Both thorough and instructive. The lack of modulation was entirely the kind of rookie mistake that would have rendered many of the voices as too rigidly defined.

I like the idea of sequencing on Metropolix, as its very jammable and lends itself well to multiple styles. After some more thought, I think I can ditch Desmodus Versio and go with the reverb on Sealegs and Oneiroi.

If I were to keep the percussion in the rack and not have it be solely for drone, I'm thinking the Tubbutec Drummertime might be a better fit in this case than the Metron, and although I love the sound of the WMD perc modules, I can't justify the combined space of the Metron + those modules. A refactor might look something like this:

Of course, there's too little in the way of mixing for this rack, but it's a step in the right direction. Scrapping the percussion all together would free up space for mixing + modulation. If you have a minute, let me know what you think.

EDITED Yesterday, 01:00

Exploring the new Clock Bender module from ADDAC. Three patches, each with explanations.

Like @PragmaticusMax says having an outboard mixer is a good idea and you can pick up second hand or new mixers pretty cheap online, though its also good to place sub-mixers around your modular to bring some of the parts together. So adding a Matrix Mixer is good as a way to swap and change singal routing before hitting the effects, then post-effects grab a stereo mixer (having the ability to Pan your signals is nice), then the Befaco Output Buss is great to bring all the signals together whether you got for an expernal mixer or not.

Regarding the mixer, I don't know if this is the direction you want to go, but instead of Eurorack mixers I got a Tascam Model 12 digital mixer. It has 12 channels and can handle Eurorack output voltage levels. You can also record on it and use it as a 12 channel usb audio interface.

EDITED Wednesday May 06, 16:22

Looks like fun to me.

Hello,
Here are some quick thoughts/suggestions as first steps after giving the rack a look over.
1. I would recommend taking out either the Oneiroi or the Vhikk X (if you are set on keeping the percussion modules). Those are both complex voices and you won't be able to take full advantage of their complexities simultanteously, in a modular sense, in this size of a case and/or with the amount of modulation capabilites present here. With the freed up space, you could put in more modulation, VCAs, or mixers, which I highly recommend.
2. You could do without the Doepfer clock divider. The Pam's Pro easily already has that covered, unless you have a very specific purpose in mind for it. That also gives you more space for modulation, VCAs, or mixers.
3. As an alternative to 1 above, you could remove the four percussion voices to free up room instead (which is what I would do, personally). If you did this, it would also make the Metron less relevant as a gate sequencer, so you could change to a different more melodic sequencer or a smaller sequencer for just the Oneiroi and Vhikk X. You will definitely need more mixing capability if you keep the percussion modules.
4. I don't see a way to control your final output, so you will also want to consider fitting an output module in there somewhere. You also have stereo sound sources and stereo effects, so a stereo mixer and/or output module with at least two stereo inputs is probably warranted.

I gave a go at a rack using key modules from your rack. I think this would be a lot of fun to use. There could probably be some improvements, but I think this would get you to a lot of fun exploration. Mix with a drum machine/sampler externally for percussions.

I hope some of that is helpful!

I have no clue if this is a viable rack... please help

The purists don't care for Doepfer and Behringer that much, for differing reasons.
But I think this almost final build came out looking and sounding wonderful. Lots of melodic discovery to be had.
Clean and readable. One of those synths, that for me, are enjoyable to just look at, as well as play.

Here's the layout:

I tried to design more horizontally and vertically this time, a challenging constraint.
Vertically, 36 hp for event generation, 16 hp for envelopes, 64 hp for voicing, and 24 hp for mixing and output.
Horizontally, each row can also work as a separate synth, standalone from the others.

It is kind of delicate to transport, surprisingly heavy to move and really needs 8 more envelope generators.

I wish I could have shown it to my younger self that was reading the ARP catalog and 2600 manual obsessively in 1974.
My first synth was an EML 101 that I still have, and I see echoes of that here, and a hint of EMS Synthi 100 in there as well.

And long live Alan R. Pearlman.

EDITED Monday May 04, 23:21

Hi, I am fairly new to eurorack, and I am seeking advice for my system. In addition to what you see, I also have Moog semi-modulars: DFAM, Labyrinth and Subharmonicon.
My eurorack system:
https://modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/3065487

The aim for my modules, is primarily to bring life to my Moogs, but off course I know my modules eventually will take over.
My purpose is to make groovy techno jams (dawless) in the safety of my own home, while keeping the dream alive for a live performance in the distant future.
I am aware that I have no VCOs in my rack, and that is something I will look into in the future, but for now, I need advice on two things specifically:
- Effect modules
- Mixer

For effect modules, I am considering:
* Erica Dual FX
* Happy Nerding FX aid XL.
Also Erica DSP2 could be something.

For mixer, I find it hard to navigate all the information. As of today, all I do is mono, but I would like to jump into stereo territory. I use the Doepfer a-138-j now, and takes the mix out to an external Boss KM-600, mainly for recording purposes (minidisc for the win!).
With the 138-j, I have too few channels, unless I merge drum sounds on my VCAs. Is that how people usually do?
Basically, the voices I use would require 6 channels: 3 x moog + 3 drums (bd 808 and hats 808, open and closed).

I am also grateful for any other feedback on my system, such as obvious functions I am missing.
Other modules I am considering, is ALM PIP, XAOC Lublin and Make Noise Maths. Am I on the right track?

Calling all alternative panel enthusiasts! If anyone has swapped it out and now have an extra OG panel for Pam's Pro Workout in good condition lying around - please DM me, I'm interested in buying. ALM sent me one that was damaged and promptly acted unbearable when I contacted support. Rather than dealing with them, I'm hoping the community will help out where the manufacturer is unable to :-)

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"a tuning oscillator with 3 selectable frequencies (200/400/800 Hz)"

Well, there's your problem right there.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

There is afunction in the edit menu?

-- modulargrid

Well I never! That's very handy. Thank you.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

There is afunction in the edit menu?

thanks for the advice
after playing with it i have noticed that i neweed envelope s and lfos so i purchaced accoprdingly

No they don't
-- PatternInterupt

Have a great weekend!

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Hi Pspiralife,

I still have good experience with those Doepfer - A-180-9, I have several cases that I connect with these modules. I am using meanwhile CAT 7 or CAT 8, and I guess because of that I have no issues with interferences or bleeding.

I think Intellijel has similar modules in 1 U as well, they look very similar, so you could consider those too.

Good luck and kind regards, Garfield.

Boycott Israel
-- Ezycph

You know what pal you're just as bad as the right wing trolls Banksy is dipicting on his latest statue.
Throwing cursory cancel threats at individuals or businesses you don't really know anything about.

Perhaps there are people all over the world who don't want to be left blind by the flags of nationalism.

if you thoughtlessly attack people for the crimes of their state.

you're a divisionary biggot yourself!
how does it feel to carelessly risk becoming the thing your thought you were opposing?

you should aim higher, not at individuals.

-- PatternInterupt

Cultural boycotts work.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

This would be a very cool function.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.

Hey there :) I searched for this topic, to ask if any of these kown brands and ethernet based modules of this kind have any better or worse signal bleed that I have come to be aware they can have?

Thanks!

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I didn't see a lot of videos for this module on YouTube so I went ahead and made one if you are interested!

A filter is always nice to have.
In 8HP I really like my Zagrzeb. Simple, no surprises, but does what its does well and have a light but nice personnality.

id buy one if it wasnt gated by this limited edition bullshit.
-- RoastC

exactly

So...8 voices, with a handful of LFOs as your only modulation?

I'd say there's very little to play with.

I'm having a problem with another pedal submission.

https://modulargrid.com/p/fulltone-supa-wah

excellent communication and modules, would trade again with @shurelpek for sure!

Great experience with @loopspool.
Module areived in great condition, and seller was extremely responsive and helpful in messages. Would happily trade again.

I have recorded a walkthrough if anyone is interested.

Hi Horpsnark,

I'm not familiar with all of these modules, but it seems to me there are no envelopes or (dedicated) LFO or VCAs or mixers in this system. In this case the Pico VCO will just sound like a continuous drone. There will also be no automated/continuous modulation in your filters or any other modules. Everything will be quite static.

How will you sequence notes or triggers? Do you have some external sequencer? I guess Marbles will sequence, but not in a really controlled way.

How will you output all of these instruments to make sound? Do you have an external mixer?

You have three instances of Drum2 in your system. Unless you really really like the Drum2, it's probably more fun and more creatively challenging to have different modules.

I like the Black Dual VCF personally, but it's quite huge. In such a small system as yours, I would probably pick another filter so you can use that space for other modules.

If I was making this, my first step from this point would be to have some external sequencer. I like the Beatstep Pro, it has two lanes of melody, velocity (can be used for other modulation) and gates. There's also 8 individual drum gates. You may need to get some extra cables to deal with the high voltage coming from the Beatstep gates. Then I would add something like NANO Quart or Intellijel Quadra or Mutable Instruments Stages (clone) to have some envelopes to work with. Envelopes can also be LFOs when put to loop.

Good luck!

EDITED Apr 28th, 12:33

Superbooth Berlin is coming up. Who's going?
-- Tunegirl

Yay! We as modulove collective are coming from Hamburg👌 We will bring our new utility module and few specials to look at.

Stop by our booth in the circus tent #Z018 ❤️

Cheers
Linus

I am there! If someone is wearing a modulargrid shirt, it's me. Always open for a beer and chat.

Superbooth Berlin is coming up. Who's going?

This is my actual first rack that I'm still waiting for modules in the mail for. any observations or critiques would be welcome.

For the not-really-that-into-Doepfer players out there.
Clean and mean.

Smart transaction with @exotic-waste
Recommended !

Hello dear MG community!

I got the chance to put the b:ond system in situation, and WOW !! It instantly became my favorite double oscillator. it's so fully featured (2 different sounding ring, 6 VCA on 2 mixers, noise, TZPM/FM, sync and a plethora of waveforms. This video showcases a few pactches and I made a full track (EBM style) out of the b:ond system. I hope you'll like it.

Hello all !

I am looking for the River Nucleus.

and other modules from the River brand..

no matter the country, with shipping.

Feel free to contact me, I'll buy it from you.

Julien.

Lovely tune, thanks for sharing !

For those like me who were curious as to what exactly Augur is and where to get it:

https://snakeshaky.gumroad.com/l/augur

Random thought for @modularGrid

Why not create a forum section for selling, users could post their links to selling sites like Reverb, Etsy and Ebay etc. Which could include all Eurorack Cases and accessories.

It would keep payments and shipping in the hands of a company with rules rather than the current system, which I have never used, but have read enough complaints from other users to put me off from using it. Forum User feedback would suggest that people want a better way to mitigate the perceived risks.

Just an idea, not a complaint.

It'd be cool to be able to list cases and other eurorack related gear.
IMO just the ability to list a case/euro gear and then having the seller have responsibility for showing images/function could work well