Btw, have you considered a drum machine? I'm all for drums in Eurorack, but three voices might be to limited.

Good point ! I didn't realized the depth of the A111 6 is 50mm ! And yes I will go step by step smoothly starting to use my other modules and gears meaning that I will prioritize the matrix with the effects along the pamela which I think is a must have

Maybe consider a multiple module somewhere? (E.g. replace the Vowel module with the 2hp Mult module.) Can be very useful to multiply some of the modulation signals.

Another important thing to keep in mind is that your case need to support the depth of the modules. E.g. the Behringer Go case is very shallow, so it won't fit deep modules (I think it's about 30-35mm deep).

EDITED Yesterday, 09:10

Generally you want to spread out your buys, and start from a corner with the essentials. This way you can alter your plans as you learn more about your gear.

What you start with depends on what you already have, and the bare minimum to get something going. That probably means you need to start with power and one or more voice.

Do you have a sequencer available? If not, the Pam's probably a must. (You probably want the Pam anyway though, it's very useful.)

What other sources of sounds do you have? Can it be combined with eurorack? (Some synths provide CV points.) Maybe you could start with one Drum2 and either the A-111-6 or the Beehive, depending on which you like best, but it really depends on what you already have.

Do you have a mixer, and does it handle the level of audio coming from eurorack (it's high compared to most other synths)?

You probably want an effect module too, and the FX Aid should go a long way there. It's not essential, but gives you lot more options.

Hope this gives you some ideas ^_^

Thanks for the review and the sugestion for the filter, djing myself I often use (especially with ambient) the filter for transition even if I try to not over use it. Quite happy already to have placed a tiny filter in insert effect
Now the question is what should I purchase first haha ... it's so expensive

EDITED Yesterday, 01:24

Oh yeah, another thing while we're planning modules and buying cases...
My hopes get dashed by this too often: module depth vs. case depth

I ended up recommending modules that might be too deep for the case you want.
It's always something.

Impressive how much you're able to get into 104hp! I don't own any of the modules myself (except Pams), but in terms of their functionality it should deliver what you want.

My only thought is that I would've liked a bigger knob for the filter; I'm thinking of a DJ-like filter where clockwise is high pass and anti-clockwise is low pass - it's a cheap and effective way of creating interesting transitions in your music.

That said, maybe that doesn't fit your style. Should be a interesting setup nevertheless (I think the Matrix mixer and the Mimeophon could be quite good) ^_^

If you want to tuck away power cables, you can consider a power supply that's inside the rack. It's a bit more hassle than just buying something like a uZeus though.

And remember to always double-check that the power consumption requirements (at the bottom of your rig) is supported by the power supply. I read somewhere that it's good to have 10-15% "free" capacity, but I'm no expert on this.

Have you considered an external sequencer? I have an Oxi One mk1 which I'm extremely happy with ^_^

Also, I think you should consider some modulation sources, like LFOs. Pam's Pro, which is part of @noodle_hut setup, is a great utility for this.

You might also be interested to look into low pass gates (I'm personally a fan of LxD here) to combine with the various audio outputs from your Mother-32 and Labyrinth, and might even a submixer to combine multiple audio signals together (I have the A-135-2 for my Mother-32).

That said, you're on a great start, starting with semi modular synths are a great way to get into Eurorack, and with the pedals as effects you should have a lot of options audio-wise ^_^

You have to power it from the front.
All of us here are haunted by wires.

What you've planned will do a lot already, it's lots of enough.
Just install a blank panel as a koan to disclipline.
This is a nice one:
https://modulargrid.net/e/stochastic-instruments-4-33
"What can music be?"

This is a little cleaner and cheaper too.
The Behringer seq does more, costs way less, and can act as another system clock.
The nanorings is smaller. works the same, and is easier to find.
Finding a Beads, or any authentic MI module, is tough now. Do you already have them?

I put them in an order so they can often interconnect with those nice short yellow Doeper patch wires.
Love those little yellow Doepfer wires.

EDITED Wednesday May 13, 19:54

Nice set up, you've given me things to consider and some great ideas. My dad has made some wooden end cheeks so I'm good in that department.
Regarding the PS can it be powered at the back? I see the socket on the front panel but is there also a back connection? I'm OCD when it comes to hiding cables.
Do you have a modular grid list of your modules to share? If so that would help me in doing some research on other modules. Thanks for your feedback.

Hello, I try to assemble in a 104HP rack a techno/ambient techno live setup that I can carry, plug and play/jam on the console of different venues.
I'm living in Saigon where eurorack modules are not available apart behringer ... I take the opportunity to travel to Europe to sart getting these new modules.
Thank you for your help and advices, the idea was to get a little drum kit, 2 synth voices, insert effects that I can use with the matrix mixer to build up and modulate sounds during the performance, using the pamela and random8 for the sequences and modulations (or arturia keystep pro for the sequences ...) and a compressor at the end to glue everything nicely.
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_3132839.jpg

EDITED Wednesday May 13, 02:20

I built a three tier Moog like this. The red frame is from a guy on Etsy that 3D prints them and it wasn't expensive.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Releas3DPrints?ref=shop-header-name&listing_id=1458591935&from_page=listing
Very sturdy and nicer than I had hoped. He prints them in colors other than red.
Really good work. Currently just $75. Can't beat that.

I kept the wood end cheeks but you don't have to. I thought they would end up lost in a drawer so I kept them on.
(To do that, I had to get 24 longer screws than what came with the frame.)

For the top row, I used the very nice empty Moog case that they used to sell.
They don't make them anymore, so you'll have to hunt around, but they're out there. A perfect match.
Unlike the other two, that empty case doesn't have it's own power so I used a Behringer PS,
running it all with one (big-enough) wall wart with a 3-way splitter wire to power the whole thing.

I did end up swapping rows 1 and 3 to keep the wires out of the way of those nice Subharmonicon knobs.
Worked way better on top. Here's how it ended up, as "The Squealer" (that really needs some mults).

For me, patch cable spaghetti never gets that bad.
I get lost on discovery road and forget what I'm doing, way before I run out of jacks and the wires to connect them :)

EDITED Tuesday May 12, 17:59

Thanks for the feedback I will look into the A-185. I have had the two Moogs for a while and pretty familiar with the subharmonicon. I really like it and have used it as the basis for a couple tracks, using one sequence for a bass line and seq 2 to form a pluck sequence over the top. From watching some videos it seems the Spectravox and Labyrinth are even more experimental so not for me. I thought about a second M-32 but decided to go for more variety.
Yeh the reason I ask about the ribbon cable is to consider how I am going to connect them all together, as the Moogs are in cases. I will take them out and mount into the rack so I can take advantage of the power supplied by ribbon cable. Looks like it's going to be cable spaghetti for the audio tho.

6hp left?
Doepfer A-185-2v Precision Adder.
You can then have one sequencer transpose the other, in tune, up or down,
and then share those new notes to that nice top row.

The power supply is fine.
The modular ribbon cable never carries audio. Just power and ground,
and sometimes, one gate for event on/off, and one cv, usually for notes.

Those two Moog sequencers are very different animals and can play nice together,
but the Subharmonicon is a demanding instrument to tame and integrate into a mix.
It's harmonic based, and always brings it's own special notes.
Spectravox is even weirder. For me, both of them are more for seasoning than a main course.

If you like that three-tier Moog format, consider maybe two Mother32s might take you further.
That'd be fun.

EDITED Tuesday May 12, 11:46

unfortunaly for you, I got a lot of time while travelling home from superbooth, take this!:

Your rack is so bad, my mum wont play it

Your rack is so underground, theres no cv flow

your rack stands in a grocery store and does beeeep

your rack is so sick, your wasp filter sneezes

your rack is so common, it doesnt scream "Techno" untill you do

Its actually not your rack, its played by the ventriloquist Jeff Dunham

you rack has to much vcas - vintage car allures

if you would have put flowers in your rack, it would have a function

your rack doesnt power up at all

do you rember that last 1200 € purchase? - still sounds like mess

its not playable by dogs:
where is the cv-control for peanut-licking?

only one Mimeophon - how are you going to play feedback polyphonic?

There are no behringer clones

pretty pink rack, but no way to colour the sound

Daft punk dislikes your rack

your rack is not gluten free - why not just patching buttered bread instead?

your rack is so filthy, its used to get patched through gloryholes

president trump likes your rack ergonomy

your rack is such a bummer, if you throw it out of the window, it hits you one more time

your rack has no knurlies

your rack is like medusa, its sight kills people

7 of 10 dentist helpers dislike your rack

your rack is worse as this roast quotes

90° Module Rotation

You can now rotate Eurorack modules 90° so they will fit in a 1U row! This works only for modules up to 6 HP.
You can still drag them around and also Optimize Rack Space continues to work.
Use the Rotate Button in the planner action menu. If you don't see that button check, that it is activated in your user preferences or use keyboard shortcut f for flip.

Hi new here and to the world of Eurorack, and I know my life will never be the same. I don't plan on going down the rabbit hole completely (famous last words haha), as it is more an addition to my current set up and I am a guitarist producing ambient music. I just want to have something to generate textures, sequences and happy accidents. What I have in mind is very basic. I already have a Moog Mother-32 and Subharmonicon. My dad is making me a nice timber three tier rack and I want to fill the third (top) tier with some modules and connect them all together no wider than 60hp (thanks for the idea Loopop).

So I am guessing some euro channel, a power supply and a mixer are the essentials, but thinking a couple of MI clones like plaids, marbles, rings ya know - the standards which are probably pretty cliche for hard core users but I really like the sounds. I have a board of full pedals so no needs for effects, plus I have some synths, drumlogue etc. Would be great to get the opinons of some much wiser in this space any advice is really appreciated, this looks like a great community.

• image below is what I have in mind so far
• is the power supply a good choice? Current should be more than enough.
• this may be a dumb question but does the ribbon cable carry audio?
• The sequencer module is probably overkill given both Moogs have one but I'm not sure what else would compliment this little rig any suggestions?

User Benwah
It´s not a bad seller, but I would like to give an important hint, since he lives in Island. Be aware, that you need to pay a reasonable about of taxes, since he naturally declares shippings with full module worth and Island is in this matter NONE-EU. A hint from Benwah or even better a info in his ad would have clarified this upfront.
There are other options to ship from Island, which doesn´t cause such high taxes, since I got already in the past other stuff from there without any additional costs.
So, just be aware of this. Otherwise Benwah is a nice seller!
Best!

I had ericas dual fxs, wasnt happy with it
I went with Ghost and its banger

You're totally right; I was being stubborn about the need to include percussion in the rack. Offloading to a drum machine like an Elektron Syntakt seems like a more cost effective and playable option. And I hadn't even considered how much of a PITA it would be to dink with the drum modules as they were situated, let alone mix or modulate.

Based on your feedback, I've taken another stab:

In focusing on four voices (Oneiroi, Vhikk X, Pluck, and Vowel), the priority should be in accomodating sufficient sequencing, modulation, and mixing. It seems viable, but I just want to confirm the following:

• Too many filters?
• Too few envelope generators?
• (Catch-all) Suboptimal use of rack space?

Thank you again for all your advice and help!

EDITED Saturday May 09, 18:50

You're welcome, I'm glad that you found the thoughts helpful!

There are two main things I would address with the latest iteration of your rack, and they are both related to the percussion modules, some of which you already mentioned in your last paragraph:

1. There is still a deficiency of mixing capacity present for the percussion modules if you intend to use all of them at the same time as the Vhikk X and Oneiroi. In order to use all four percussion modules simultaneously, you would be occupying all four channels of your stereo mixer, leaving no room to use the other voices. You could use the four channels of the Quad VCA as a mixer, but then you miss out on having the VCAs there for creative modulation purposes. You will probably want to add a four-channel mono audio mixer in there, at the least. Or more VCAs.
2. Those percussion modules are so small and tightly packed that it's going to be a struggle to enjoy using them. And trying to use them in any sort of live application is likely going to be frustrating, unless you intend to never make any adjustments to their knobs. Notice how the other modules are designed with more space between the knobs and jacks, and even some of those are tight and not the most ergonomic.

My recommendation could go two ways:

1. If you are set on having a kit-worth of percussion modules in your rack, I would recommend going back to the original WMD ones and adding at least 50% more rack space. But really I think you would be better off doubling it, either as a case that is twice as big or a second one of equal size.
2. Take the percussion duties out of this rack and go with an external drum machine. For the same cost as the trigger sequencer and miniature percussion modules in the latest rack iteration, you could get someting much more practical, user-friendly, and capable for percussion duties.

I hope those critiques don't come off as too harsh, but I think they are valuable things to consider.

I hope some of that is helpful again!

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@Chace, thank you so much for your feedback on the first version of the rack. Both thorough and instructive. The lack of modulation was entirely the kind of rookie mistake that would have rendered many of the voices as too rigidly defined.

I like the idea of sequencing on Metropolix, as its very jammable and lends itself well to multiple styles. After some more thought, I think I can ditch Desmodus Versio and go with the reverb on Sealegs and Oneiroi.

If I were to keep the percussion in the rack and not have it be solely for drone, I'm thinking the Tubbutec Drummertime might be a better fit in this case than the Metron, and although I love the sound of the WMD perc modules, I can't justify the combined space of the Metron + those modules. A refactor might look something like this:

Of course, there's too little in the way of mixing for this rack, but it's a step in the right direction. Scrapping the percussion all together would free up space for mixing + modulation. If you have a minute, let me know what you think.

EDITED May 8th, 01:00

Exploring the new Clock Bender module from ADDAC. Three patches, each with explanations.

Like @PragmaticusMax says having an outboard mixer is a good idea and you can pick up second hand or new mixers pretty cheap online, though its also good to place sub-mixers around your modular to bring some of the parts together. So adding a Matrix Mixer is good as a way to swap and change singal routing before hitting the effects, then post-effects grab a stereo mixer (having the ability to Pan your signals is nice), then the Befaco Output Buss is great to bring all the signals together whether you got for an expernal mixer or not.

Regarding the mixer, I don't know if this is the direction you want to go, but instead of Eurorack mixers I got a Tascam Model 12 digital mixer. It has 12 channels and can handle Eurorack output voltage levels. You can also record on it and use it as a 12 channel usb audio interface.

EDITED May 6th, 16:22

Looks like fun to me.

Hello,
Here are some quick thoughts/suggestions as first steps after giving the rack a look over.
1. I would recommend taking out either the Oneiroi or the Vhikk X (if you are set on keeping the percussion modules). Those are both complex voices and you won't be able to take full advantage of their complexities simultanteously, in a modular sense, in this size of a case and/or with the amount of modulation capabilites present here. With the freed up space, you could put in more modulation, VCAs, or mixers, which I highly recommend.
2. You could do without the Doepfer clock divider. The Pam's Pro easily already has that covered, unless you have a very specific purpose in mind for it. That also gives you more space for modulation, VCAs, or mixers.
3. As an alternative to 1 above, you could remove the four percussion voices to free up room instead (which is what I would do, personally). If you did this, it would also make the Metron less relevant as a gate sequencer, so you could change to a different more melodic sequencer or a smaller sequencer for just the Oneiroi and Vhikk X. You will definitely need more mixing capability if you keep the percussion modules.
4. I don't see a way to control your final output, so you will also want to consider fitting an output module in there somewhere. You also have stereo sound sources and stereo effects, so a stereo mixer and/or output module with at least two stereo inputs is probably warranted.

I gave a go at a rack using key modules from your rack. I think this would be a lot of fun to use. There could probably be some improvements, but I think this would get you to a lot of fun exploration. Mix with a drum machine/sampler externally for percussions.

I hope some of that is helpful!

I have no clue if this is a viable rack... please help

The purists don't care for Doepfer and Behringer that much, for differing reasons.
But I think this almost final build came out looking and sounding wonderful. Lots of melodic discovery to be had.
Clean and readable. One of those synths, that for me, are enjoyable to just look at, as well as play.

Here's the layout:

I tried to design more horizontally and vertically this time, a challenging constraint.
Vertically, 36 hp for event generation, 16 hp for envelopes, 64 hp for voicing, and 24 hp for mixing and output.
Horizontally, each row can also work as a separate synth, standalone from the others.

It is kind of delicate to transport, surprisingly heavy to move and really needs 8 more envelope generators.

I wish I could have shown it to my younger self that was reading the ARP catalog and 2600 manual obsessively in 1974.
My first synth was an EML 101 that I still have, and I see echoes of that here, and a hint of EMS Synthi 100 in there as well.

And long live Alan R. Pearlman.

EDITED May 4th, 23:21

Hi, I am fairly new to eurorack, and I am seeking advice for my system. In addition to what you see, I also have Moog semi-modulars: DFAM, Labyrinth and Subharmonicon.
My eurorack system:
https://modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/3065487

The aim for my modules, is primarily to bring life to my Moogs, but off course I know my modules eventually will take over.
My purpose is to make groovy techno jams (dawless) in the safety of my own home, while keeping the dream alive for a live performance in the distant future.
I am aware that I have no VCOs in my rack, and that is something I will look into in the future, but for now, I need advice on two things specifically:
- Effect modules
- Mixer

For effect modules, I am considering:
* Erica Dual FX
* Happy Nerding FX aid XL.
Also Erica DSP2 could be something.

For mixer, I find it hard to navigate all the information. As of today, all I do is mono, but I would like to jump into stereo territory. I use the Doepfer a-138-j now, and takes the mix out to an external Boss KM-600, mainly for recording purposes (minidisc for the win!).
With the 138-j, I have too few channels, unless I merge drum sounds on my VCAs. Is that how people usually do?
Basically, the voices I use would require 6 channels: 3 x moog + 3 drums (bd 808 and hats 808, open and closed).

I am also grateful for any other feedback on my system, such as obvious functions I am missing.
Other modules I am considering, is ALM PIP, XAOC Lublin and Make Noise Maths. Am I on the right track?

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"a tuning oscillator with 3 selectable frequencies (200/400/800 Hz)"

Well, there's your problem right there.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

There is afunction in the edit menu?

-- modulargrid

Well I never! That's very handy. Thank you.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

There is afunction in the edit menu?

thanks for the advice
after playing with it i have noticed that i neweed envelope s and lfos so i purchaced accoprdingly

No they don't
-- PatternInterupt

Have a great weekend!

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EDITED May 1st, 23:25

Hi Pspiralife,

I still have good experience with those Doepfer - A-180-9, I have several cases that I connect with these modules. I am using meanwhile CAT 7 or CAT 8, and I guess because of that I have no issues with interferences or bleeding.

I think Intellijel has similar modules in 1 U as well, they look very similar, so you could consider those too.

Good luck and kind regards, Garfield.

Boycott Israel
-- Ezycph

You know what pal you're just as bad as the right wing trolls Banksy is dipicting on his latest statue.
Throwing cursory cancel threats at individuals or businesses you don't really know anything about.

Perhaps there are people all over the world who don't want to be left blind by the flags of nationalism.

if you thoughtlessly attack people for the crimes of their state.

you're a divisionary biggot yourself!
how does it feel to carelessly risk becoming the thing your thought you were opposing?

you should aim higher, not at individuals.

-- PatternInterupt

Cultural boycotts work.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.
-- paulstrohmeier

This would be a very cool function.

I wish there was a way to add all modules of a rack to my collection or add them to my collection from the rack view.

Hey there :) I searched for this topic, to ask if any of these kown brands and ethernet based modules of this kind have any better or worse signal bleed that I have come to be aware they can have?

Thanks!

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I didn't see a lot of videos for this module on YouTube so I went ahead and made one if you are interested!