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Hi, thanks for the feedback and all your comments noted. Very new to modular and need to get to grips with the Moog system before diving in so will be while before i get a Rack, hence the advise needed. True I have been influenced by the flashing lights and eye catching facias. Have managed to get some nice ambient patches so far with the ss3 but watching what some people are doing with generative music on YouTube along with the module tutorials makes me think I should start with LFO, random voltage and Envelope generator modules to get more movement and dynamics into what I've got so far. But as I said I have a long way to go with my current setup to really understand what will prove to be useful additions rather than just look good! More advice or suggestions would be appreciated. BTW, on the subject of Instruo, I have ordered their Pocket Scion having been impressed with the videos online, its MIDI capabilites (and my plant collection) will fit well into my current workflow and music aspirations along with my Roland Fantom. Thanks for sharing your experience of the module, don't want to make any expensive mistakes if possible.

For all the things in that setup, you could probably justify not only the Hermod+ but also its expander, which would give you 32 assignable outputs for gates/triggers or pitch or whatever. This might be more costly than anticipated, but this is a big system with a lot of voices or voicelike elements. Before going that route, you could also use the 8 MIDI tracks, completely separate from the 8 CV/Gate tracks, to sequence the Bitbox (and anything else in the rack via MIDI to CV conversion such as what can be done in o_C.). o_C and Pam's can also fill in some of the drum duties, since they have a variety of sequencing options.

This is a thirsty system, and it will absorb most of what you throw at it. Sequencing for eurorack helps not only with placing drums and melodies, but:

• sequencing modulation parameters
• changing the state of an effect at a crucial time
• sequencing switches/crossfaders/mixers/logic/etc. to switch elements of your patch on the fly
• using the more predictable sequencer tracks to clock, manage, and tame other, more boutique sequencer concepts

...and anything else in your system that takes voltage. Plus it spits out LFOs and envelopes, which you will definitely want more of. Overall, I don't think you could overdo the sequencing in there even if you cut out a voice/effect or two to add in some stuff for signal flow and routing. Just be sure to buy things carefully over an extended period and make sure you use the system frequently as it comes together to troubleshoot problems and get the best sense of what is or isn't missing. You never really know what you can and can't do until you sit down with what you have so far, and you only have two hands.

Wow, thank you so much for your very detailed help… that’s a really good idea — a sequencer like the Hermod+ and then maybe a Keystep 32 or something like that. I really want to make music completely independent of a computer, so software and such aren’t an option for me. I’ll only be using this setup at home — no live performances. I’m still relatively new to the Eurorack world; I’ve had a lot of synths before, but now I want to try something new and go fully into Eurorack.

Here’s my setup that I’m slowly putting together… of course, some things might still change, but overall this should roughly be what my setup will look like.
What I’m still unsure about is whether I’ve included enough utility modules like attenuators, VCAs, multiples, and so on — or if I’m missing something or completely forgot something.

So, when you look at it, would you personally recommend going for the Hermod+?

With the Hermod+, I do have 8 tracks — but if I really want to make full use of the drums on the sequencer, wouldn’t that already take up all the tracks just for the drums? The nice thing about the Ground Control is that it has an 8-track drum sequencer plus three additional tracks for melodies. Or am I misunderstanding how that works on the Hermod?

Personally, for all of that plus the modules to sustain it, I would recommend a sequencer with more outputs and tracks, like a Hermod or Hermod+, Nerdseq+trigger expander, Per4mer, Eloquencer, etc. Plug a cheap MIDI keyboard in there for note entry in there and suddenly you've got a lot more going on for almost the same price.

You could get by with the Ground Control, I suppose, particularly if you find a good deal on it and have looked into the workflow to confirm you'll like it. The Pam's will be really important alongside that as well. I don't think Rene 2 can handle the job alone, though it may complement another sequencer very well. A Rene 1 can be found quite cheap to achieve something like this, or you can try the Hemispheres app that roughly emulates it.

Are you planning for this case to be at home or more of a live thing? Do the sounds need to be fairly melodic and gridded, or are you looking for things to be looser and more chaotic? You also have the option of getting MIDI to CV converters and just running this from your computer or other more traditional midi sequencer.

Overall, my personal opinion is that CV/Gate sequencing is better off having a free track or two that can be used to sequence weird stuff to see what happens, as opposed to having not quite enough when you want to do something full and alive with all those sound sources, samples, and triggered drums. If you decide less sequencing and more creative stretching of other modulation for musical results works better for you, that's fair, but it's worth considering - especially when a Ground Control is pretty expensive.

EDITED Yesterday, 21:26

For some context, what functionality do you think you were missing the most when patching up the Moog ss3?
I'll second noddle_huts suggestion adding that you should think about what you want to add to your patching and do you have the utilities to integrate the new modules with your existing rack?

Needs less ear candy and more boring parts: active multiples, offset/attenuators, mixers.
-- noodle_hut

Needs less ear candy and more boring parts: active multiples, offset/attenuators, mixers.

And oh boy, the Harmonaig. We all have modules we deeply regret and the Harmonaig is mine.
It does the trick, a quantizer with chord tables, but for me, always did it poorly.
I tried, a lot, but there's too many obscure button combos to make it 'work'.
It seems musical, but never got there.

Really dissapointing, I keep it around now, just to look at it with distain.
Instruo stuff seems too expensive for what it does and for how it's made.
Their raw board aesthetic just comes off as cheap to me.
Grrr. Instruo.

hey guys

erica synths has a massive sale... you can buy as example all parts of the Erica Synths Black System III for around 2000.- (without case)... normal in stores it costs 4000 (with case)...

Hi guys

A question.. im planing some for a new case..

my sound sources are
-Make noise XPO with QPAS, morphagene, mimeophon and effect
-befaco oneiroi, ochd
-bitbox micro
- endorphin.es queen of pentacles for drums

i have a pam's new workout

would you go with the endorphines ground control for sequencing all? pro: keybed for playing and 1 melodic cv/gate more
or would you go with make noise rene mk2 ? pro: less space, total different and more experimentive (but not the best for the drums?)

which one would you take and why? or would you go with total different?

thanks a lot

Using this as a template to build slowly over the coming months to complement/expand my current Moog ss3 and if all goes well then onto KS Eurorack 2. Any comments/advice would be welcome. Music genre tends to be ambient/space/generative. Intend to use Mantis racks and module clones where discontinued or unavailable secondhand.

EDITED Yesterday, 11:49

Swapped out the Compare2 for a uTides2. As much as I love the stereo PWM from Compare2, I just didn't see a need for all the trigger generation in this case (or for this concept). The uTides2 offers up LFO, envelopes, as well as sub-harmonic generation. Gain staging in this case has been manageable so far with the mixing and attenuation I included.

Using Maths to square off the Tides waveforms works well. Modulating the smooth parameter to just slightly fold the Tides output pre-squaring adds some nice grit.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

This entry claims that the device can be mounted in a 3U rack space, but does not run with Eurorack 12v power.

https://modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-dirtywave-m8-tracker-model-02

The Subharmonicon is by far my fav of all the semi modular Moogs (I've had em all!) and IMHO the Subharmonicon is an example of the parts being greater than their sum.
You get 6 oscilators (yeah, I know they are grouped in groups of three and are limited)
4 clock dividers that can be assigned to one of two (or both) 4 step sequencers
2 Attack/Decay envelopes
and a pretty sweet Moog filter

couple all of that with THE BEST patchbay of all 5 Moog semi-modulars and with only a handful of auxillary modules, you can have one heckuva crazy synth.
I sequence Vco 1 and 2 seperatley and don't use the internal sequencers for them at all. Those are for the decay of my Qu-Bit surface and ALM mco mk2 respectively. The sequencer clock outputs each triggera pair of funtion generators that modulat other stuff down the modulation pipeline so with the turn of a few knobs, I can get some wild modulation. All in time as well.
Also, all 3 OSCs of vco2 are routed to a seperate vca/filter with a Phase Modulation oscillator helper type thing in there for aadded FATNESS (lolz)

TL;dr
if you are thinking about getting one, do it. It's the best one

I feel that to get the most out of the Subharmonicon it really helps to have an external quantizer (with 2 channels). This really helps keep you in key. I know it has some quantization on board, but it's not enough for my liking. I get musical results much faster this way.

EDITED Friday November 07, 23:31

I never heard about a 'Behringer Subharmonicon', that's why I asked.

Sequencer section is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65

Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?
-- wiggler55550

Nope, the Moog Version. I never had the Behringer version and said I would get one if I ever decided to revisit the idea of a Subharmonicon". Sorry if my post was difficult to understand or unclear. I can see how it could be misinterprited.

EDITED Friday November 07, 19:14

Great experience with @Gabri101 Very kind, efficient, and careful with the packaging — everything arrived perfectly. Would definitely deal again if something from his rack catches my eye!

it seems user @Void8131 is a scammer . His account is suspended now and i bought yesterday a module from him

Hi!

This is the first piece where I’m using my full new setup. Four Make Noise STOs build the harmony, with the Verbos Harmonic Oscillator taking the lead. Granular textures come from Intellijel Multigrain and Sealegs, shaped by Rings and Plaits. Enjoy the music!

So I got one. It's made really well. Shiny. The synth side is great. The oscillators sound rich and dynamic and are eager to purr and squeal under abuse. The filter does that thing. The EGs suffice.

I found exceptional ghosts in the machine, but like others have said, you have to hunt for them a while.
But when it's good, it's very good.
Understanding the subharmonics will take time, but I'm starting to hear it.

That sequencer though... I know there was a design vision, and sometimes you can hear it as well as see it,
but those clock ratios are made too squishy and indeteminate. I appreciate the happy accidents,
but that's no way to do everything. There should have been some rate indicator for those clocks,
or used clicky, 16-step encoders.

The quantizer is fine, even the 4x2 steps are interesting, but with those clocks, they should have let digital be digital.

And why they didn't put those nice little knobs they made for Mavis etc., onto the sequencer pots?
Moog cheaped out on the heart of the devices's reason for being. They aren't auxilliary controls.
They made those knobs, so knew they were needed. Sadly, that knob kit (25 for ~$30) is now impossible to find.

There are accountants that work at Moog, that are against something having too many knobs. Go figure.

Better (on a Spectravox):

A poor decision across that whole product line. When you buy a Yamaha receiver for $600,
it doesn't come with knobless knurled shafts sticking out the front. (or do they now?)
Moog inMusic has the profit margins to ship fully assembled products,
especially considering the hardware that $600 worth of Yamaha gets you.

So I'm still learning it, enough to try out what outboard things it needs to open it up.
The 3 tier plan: (inMoog doesn't sell those matching empty 60hp cases anymore either..)

This should help get it there, because when the Subharmonicon is good, it's very good.

EDITED Saturday November 08, 18:55

I see, but this all already possible without new technical functionality. You can put any text and any link into the offer and also upload a photo. Maybe we should change the default text and add some ideas there?

-- modulargrid

I understand it is possible to add external images. I was expecting something that would let users document their own modules without selling them, not only planning/annotating their racks. I've heard more than once about people who had their racks stolen, and the sad thing is that they didn't have any serials or anything that might make it a bit easier to follow the trail of the stolen gear, even though it is probably very soon landing somewhere for sale.

One feature request that could have a big impact on safety for negotiating modules not only here but everywhere: adding manufacturer serial numbers, actual pics [...]
-- torto

I see, but this all already possible without new technical functionality. You can put any text and any link into the offer and also upload a photo. Maybe we should change the default text and add some ideas there?

Sequencer section is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65

Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?

Sequencer section of the Moog is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65

Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?
-- wiggler55550

Nope, the Moog Version. I never had the Behringer version and said I would get one if I ever decided to revisit the idea of a Subharmonicon". Sorry if my post was difficult to understand or unclear. I can see how it could be misinterprited.

EDITED Friday November 07, 19:14

One feature request that could have a big impact on safety for negotiating modules not only here but everywhere: adding manufacturer serial numbers, actual pics (preferably with an unique id generated by MG) and/or other proof of ownership to owned modules. It is simple as that: when you add a module to your owned modules, you get an unique id and the possibility to write your serial number. When selling, you take a pic with that unique id printed or handwritten next to your module, which at the very least proves you own one.

Also allowing users to add optional URLs with links to their profiles on other platforms: ebay, kleinanzeigen, reverb etc. where people can have an idea of how reliable they are.

I would doublecheck and avoid all users that rated them positive as well as there are plenty red flags there.

-- torto

Yeah, for sure, @x303 shares almost exactly the same upvotes as them, probably compromised as well.

EDITED Thursday November 06, 09:41

@tentwoeightsix seems to be a scammer. I dodged the bullet but @ttyole has been scammed and he has proof.
-- miar94

I would doublecheck and avoid all users that rated them positive as well as there are plenty red flags there.

Eyyyy let's go, will tag some more! Thank you very much for adding these and the extra info on how to do so. I will now be able to to precisely add them... badam tssss :P

Thanks for the Love by sharing one of my Videos! I was using / do use this exact uMarbles from Tunefish Modular!
I can't recommend his Modules enough! Thorsten is a very talented and experienced builder, with high quality and affordable options!
Thanks again! Happy Patching!

Tim / Tango Delta

For sale $1800. Local pickup only. Marietta, SC 29661-9502.

Hi,
I think you'll need a clock generator, either a PAM or, for now, an LFO.
Regarding the case, as a next step, before buying another case, it might be more logical to return the Behringer semi-modular components to their respective cases...
-- ferran_RMBL
I do have the four LFO but I do find it somewhat limited. Seemes Like PAM might be the next module to get. And I suppose your right about returning the Model D and Neutron to their own cases before getting a second GO case haha

@tentwoeightsix seems to be a scammer. I dodged the bullet but @ttyole has been scammed and he has proof.

Buying a module carries much less responsibility than selling a module.

There are scam possibilities from both sides. I am dealing with lot's of requests to delete unjustified downvotes which is annoying because I don't want to interfere in private conversations so if someone comes up with a better, easy to implement idea I am all ears.

(On a side note, are these suggestions ever being read or considered? I have posted several suggestions and have yet to see anything come from it, be that a reply or implementation of some sort.)
-- toptier

Yes, I read them and most changes on the site come from suggestions, so thanks for every input.

The thumbs up/down feature could really use a rework.

Currently, the incentive for a user to leave a thumbs down on the profile of a user they had a negative experience with, is practically zero. Why? Because the other user retaliating with a thumbs down on your own profile is practically guaranteed, and you can't do anything about it.

The current system inaccurately represents the actual reliability of a user. Not only because of the above, but also because there is no way to distinguish whether a user has only ever bought modules, or has also sold modules. Buying a module carries much less responsibility than selling a module.

I have yet to come up with a concept that would work better as MG transactions are based on mutual trust between users, rather than having MG be the middleman, which would not be a solution either for various reasons. Perhaps we can come up with some ideas as a community.

(On a side note, are these suggestions ever being read or considered? I have posted several suggestions and have yet to see anything come from it, be that a reply or implementation of some sort.)

@modulargrid Thanks a lot for adding the category!

A small note, slightly off topic:
If you want Precision Adder to appear as the first category — which makes sense for some modules where that’s the main function — you can do the following:

Deselect all other categories except Precision Adder and save the module.

Then re-add the other categories and save again.

That way, Precision Adder will stay at the top.

By the way, sometimes it’s really inconvenient that “approved by manufacturer” entries can’t be edited — especially since there probably aren’t any moderators actively maintaining those, right?

EDITED Tuesday November 04, 09:15

Added NE Versio

Hi,
I think you'll need a clock generator, either a PAM or, for now, an LFO.
Regarding the case, as a next step, before buying another case, it might be more logical to return the Behringer semi-modular components to their respective cases...

Hello all!

This is my first post here so I apologize ahead of time. I am building my first eurorack in a Behringer GO case and as you can tell, most of the modules are behringer cuz I am broke and cant afford the super good stuff yet (but I do wanna save for those Qu-bit modules!)

I currently phycially own the behringer Neutron, Model D, Brains, Chaos, Abacus, Four LFO and the Erica Synths Mixer. I do have the behringer 182 sequencer but I HATE it with a burning pashion.

For some background, Deadmau5 got me into EDM (Shocker) and I would love to make something that I can mess around with and make drones, maybe some generative synthesis or something I can just play around with and get fun sounds. So definately inspired by him.

I have been told I need to get Pamela's Pro Workout before but idk what else I should swap out/ add. The Plasma Drive is def not a need but I do wanna try keeping the qu-bits for the ambient effects. The small 1U VCA is for the model D because for some reason in rack it has next to no output.

Keep in mind, im still learning and only have the basics down so any advice is good advice! If need be I will add another GO case down the road (which already seems to be the case lol)

Further reading up on subharmonics here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undertone_series

As de titel says. Seeing there's more and more Precision Adders on the market it would be a lot easier to find them on this website.

Cheers!
-- Selten

We have that now. I have tagged two modules so the category is not empty and would be happy if you tag some more.

As others have said, You definately need some level of music theory knowledge in order to properly get music out of it.

Thanks all — super helpful points.

To clarify my setup/goals:

Sequencing = Digitakt II + Bloom v1
Digitakt usually master clock but also use Ableton for studio stuff
Goal = IDM/acid performance rig
Want: Atlantix + 1 extra voice(CS-L, sounds so amazing), modular percussion accents, hands-on modulation

Totally hear you on utilities / “plumbing” — that’s what I’m focusing on dialing in:

Buffered mults for pitch
Attenuverters/offsets
VCAs for modulating the modulation
Small sub-mixers + performance mixer
Clean clock + reset routing
Mutes + FX send/return

Drums plan = Digitakt as backbone + modular glitch layer
Leaning toward Modbap Trinity 2.0 for playable modular percussion — if anyone’s used it in a Digitakt setup, curious how it felt.

If you have favorite utility chains / patch habits for performance (think Autechre-ish movement without chaos), I'd love to hear them.

There's several interconnects between modules behind the panel, and some key jumper changes, so it's cautious going.
No MIDI this time, but it's mostly stereo, and could be multi voice, 20(?!) note polyphonic, the hard way.

Nothing exotic here, I tried to keep it clean and readable because my eyesight is wonky.
Should be fun, deep, and nearly impossible to get and keep in tune :)

EDITED Monday November 03, 15:48

That's how it can be with niche products such as this one. I bought mine in May this year. Hopefully more will be available soon.

Alright. If the "BUY IT!" button doesn't work for you, send them an email..

-- mikeleebirds

It is alle the Year 2025 NOT AVAILIBLE to ORDER.
Dont tell me i can buy it.

Giving this a gentle bump — would love to see this category added :)

Trying out a new configuration based on the building blocks of an SH-101 / Intellijel Atlantix, but with a few extra spices thrown in based on the patches I've been doing lately. The STMIX/Output Bus combo may seem redundant but has been solving voice composition and external gear integration problems fairly well. I would have liked to fit a proper sub-osc but the Compare seems to be working to fill the gap. I might swap out one of the OBF LFO's for an OCHD but I really like the sync on the OBF.

Input pre-amps and MIDI interfaces are kept in a small sidecar since I don't use them in live performance very often and didn't want to use up rack space. I've got fat fingers and like to keep 1hp of space between every module where possible for usability and additional venting.

I've wanted to build this out for a while but I had to redo the power supply in the case first.

I intended it primarily as a monosynth, though it’s capable of duophonic or paraphonic patches depending on how the oscillators and filters are routed. I'll likely shuffle the positioning for better workflow. Patch wise ... I'm all over the place lately so this seems like a nice playground to explore a wide variety of ideas and styles.

I'll likely pair it with a Keystep or EP-133 K.O. II for live sequencing/play and backing/percussion tracks.

EDITED Saturday November 08, 16:52

A few instances of VCV Rack in Bitwig 6 - probability plays.

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