Thanks for the info. I'm reading as much as I can 'bout modular but stumble upon a standard problem every now and then.

Strange thing is that a lot of manuals of modules do not mention the voltages of CV in and/or out (the sometimes frowned upon Behringer does have excellent tables w/ all info you need for instance). Is there an "unwritten law" or standard like 0 to 10 V for filter CV in if not otherwise specified? I mean: even if you have a utility module, don't you have to know the exact voltage specifications of the modules to patch 'm together via a utility module?

I resized it to real life status, thanks to normalledout for the suggestion!

I still need more mults

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yes, kind of... and kind of a common question... but...

you won't do any damage sending 10V into the eudemonia, what will happen is the envelope will be cut off at the top and the filter will never "close" properly

the solution is to use a negative offset of 5v... these are commonly found in attenuverters... or if you have it, maths - channel 2 or 3 have offsets built in - see the manual for which is 5v and which it 10v... other modules that also have this functionality (off the top of my head) are mutable shades and happy nerding 3 x mia...

this is why you NEED utility modules - they solve little problems that crop up all the time...

see my signature for a cheat sheet of how to get the most versatility from your modular for the least expense...

hope this helps!

Push entire row of Modules

In the planner there are two new buttons that appear on hover to push one or more modules to the adjacent side.
This can also be used with shortcuts n and m.
The older shortcuts , and . to push only single modules still exist.
The button to flip modules is removed because I think that was not used enough and took too much space. The function is still there with shortcut f for flip.
-- modulargrid

dudes, the rotate/flip fuction was essential.

the way it worked before was way better.

please put it back / make Rotate available.

The Dreadbox Eudemonia filter takes an input CV of -5/+5 Volt. However, some of the Envelope Generators that I'm considering have an output CV of 0 to 10 V. Are they compatible?

Hi all,
I've been into modular for a few years and mostly make ambient music (http://songsforatiredcity.bandcamp.com) - But lately i've also been thinking about making some industrial techno. in addition to this rack, I use an O-Ctrl and an Octatrack. 4 voices go into the mixer, with disting set to a reverb send. The master is sent to the octatrack with a filter and compressor at the end. I've started to perform more often now but find myself patching in similar ways - Just wanted to get some feedback from you all on some patching ideas I may not have thought of! In general for gigs, I like to set up 4 voices - with two voices playing melodies recorded into the hermod via the octatrack midi section and then tweaked with hermod effects and another two that are usually either doing bass and a random S&H counter thing or just some fx/sounds..

The marbles in there in there is a placeholder for a DIY locked sample and hold that someone in Goa built for me https://ozoe.fr/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=438&mnuid=316&tconfig=0

I've also very recently added a dot, morphagene, BIA, 1U attenuator and a 1U bernoulli gate but I haven't had the chance to fully explore them yet. I also have a clouds, pluck and mysteron that I recently removed from the setup. Ideally i'd llike to restrict myself to a 7U setup.

Would love to hear what ya'll think!

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Thanks to you both for the kind feedback, it means a lot.

Regarding my teeshirt, ha! Yes, it is an original Soundgarden teeshirt from their Superunknown tour in 1994. Saying that shirt is nearly 30 years old blows my mind. I think it is officially past the point where I can machine wash it. That show may have been the last time it gets worn casually haha.

Hi mate. As waveshaper I have picked the Joranalogue Audio Design Fold. Which mixer and filter can you recommend. End of chain will be a Midas Venice mixing desk.
The rythm sends midi clock to the beat step and the beat step sending clock to the Modul( Hope that is working like that)
-- Philekkk

well definitely an audio submixer - for combining the 2 vcos before hitting a filter - slightly detune one of them firat, & preferably a matrix mixer - add a nice quad lfo/envelope generator (zadar/batumi etc etc) to make the most of this for deriving complex modulations... but I'd also want at least one module like a happy nerding 3 x mia particularly for cv mixing/offset

I'd add a PNW (inexpensive used) or PPW to add clock divisions and a load of other features etc - will also help on the sync front - you might find you are better off with an expander for pams (to allow clocking from the rythm) and then clock the beatstep from Pams

I'd also add a simple clock divider as you can get square wave sub octaves out of it - /2 = -1ve, /4 = -2ve etc...

switches of all kinds are useful in live situations, as are 'scene controllers' - like Music Thing Modular Control

filters? I think they're very personal, and really you are only going to get recommendations of people's favourites (or whatever is trendy that week) - at least in terms of specific modules... personally I like Doepfer (for both utility modules and filters) as they are reasonably priced and do what they sau they do...

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?
-- Arrandan

OMG! Problem solved.
Space Clowns rejoice!!!
-- AEROCATONE

I got one for free with another module. Obviously, the Wackel is my favorite module ever! And I haven't even used is as a multiple yet!

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Hi mate. As waveshaper I have picked the Joranalogue Audio Design Fold. Which mixer and filter can you recommend. End of chain will be a Midas Venice mixing desk.
The rythm sends midi clock to the beat step and the beat step sending clock to the Modul( Hope that is working like that)

It’s interesting to have a live version now.
The adaptation of the bass and drums is very satisfactory.

In addition to your music, I appreciate your communicative joy (and humor) as well as loyalty to your old teeshirt.

Also, your hat :)

Hi,
Good piece, I've been browsing your channel and it sounds good.
Good job.
A new subscriber

Great recording. Love your studio too.

part. 1/3 I recorded the set and decided to share it. As usual, I can't help but dance :# I split the set into a few sections. I think it works better for watchability. Here's the first one. It's actually a weird version of Orbit Shift, a collaboration I did with a drum and bass artist. I posted the official audio of that track here a few weeks ago. I didn't have my co-producer's bass or breakbeats, so I kind of winged a few drum sequences and a different take on the bass. Anyways hope you watch it and I'd love any feedback. Also, my hat.

EDITED Aug 9th 2023, 01:44

Push entire row of Modules

-- modulargrid

in my opinion it would be better to close the remaining gaps with each push one by one with each click
your soulution removes all gaps at once
thx anyway

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?
-- Arrandan

OMG! Problem solved.
Space Clowns rejoice!!!

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MonoMultBk--black-market-monomult-1x5-splitter-hub-black
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Push entire row of Modules

In the planner there are two new buttons that appear on hover to push one or more modules to the adjacent side.
This can also be used with shortcuts n and m.
The older shortcuts , and . to push only single modules still exist.
The button to flip modules is removed because I think that was not used enough and took too much space. The function is still there with shortcut f for flip.

Thanks for the recommendations. All good choices. After doing a little more research and seeing your suggestions, I think I'm going to go with the Intellijel Quad VCA. I didn't realize it has cascading CV and Veils does not (at least according to a thread I was reading this morning). Seems to tick all the boxes, and as a bonus it's very inexpensive.
@troux, you are probably right. I now remember recommending the Intellijel a few times based on features/price/size. I had kind of forgotten what a bargain it is.
Thanks again!

I'm still at the "I wonder what happens if I plug that in there?" stage...

-- ModLifeCrisis

That's a great place to be! :)
Have fun and mult away! I bought a bunch of those little star shaped external mults for just this reason. I can't remember who makes them but you can find them for around $6 in the U.S.

Doesn't the center row of the Make Noise case function as a mult (or even multiple mults)? If so, I would probably eliminate any further mults from a case this size. Just my two cents.
-- farkas

I agree with you, but what I'm finding is that I'm using all the centre mults to mult random, LFOs, pressure points, CV from the Rene and PNW... I sometimes find myself needing more mults but I may be overdoing it. I'm still at the "I wonder what happens if I plug that in there?" stage...

Doesn't the center row of the Make Noise case function as a mult (or even multiple mults)? If so, I would probably eliminate any further mults from a case this size. Just my two cents.

I'm building a tiny small software to run on a rasperry pi to control my modular, while it has no official release yet you could potentially try it out from here: https://github.com/zuggamasta/midiTracker and/or just let me know if you have any ideas and questions for a tracker-esque sequencer.

This is my latest configuration. I fear the mash up of black and silver will be frowned upon. I'm still trying to work out the best place to put the mult or if I even need one. My thinking at present is to use it to send out multiple streams from the DPO and use the Morphagene/LXD/Mimeophon as it's own voice - so a two or three voice system, depending on how I use the DPO...

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I've always liked veils - I only have OGs - no mk2s - I'd go for mk2s, or clones, over anything else now though... clean enough, dirty enough, enough extraneous features...

Intellijel Quad VCA, the brilliant and reasonable reference.

I wanted to see by myself.

Currently (08/08/23), there is a second-hand 'Make Noise MATHS V1 Silver/ Red Knobs' offered at 1100€ at Reverb. That same day, a new MATHS at Thomann (or Music Store, or elsewhere) costs 333€.
So today, we can estimate the price of nostalgia for this module at about 767 €...

I decided to preciously keep my good old passive multiple A-180-2.

Accidently tried to add a Intellijel Stereo line in 1u but there is no way to delete it.

I am verry pleased with my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/erica-synths-black-quad-vca2 but then again I only have experience with the Erica Synths VCA's.

So I originated a post that shared my rack. I changed the arrangement after and then tried resharing by copy/pasting. However, it keeps reposting the original rack's confinguration no matter what I do. So bizarre! Also, sorry for starting a thread for this as I am still learning this thing. I would much rather just contact admin privately, but I don't see that option. Guidance is not only accepted, but much apprecieated!!

IMHO it's hard to go wrong with the Intellijel Quad VCA, always sounds clean and has a ton of features packed in. You might have even been the one to recommend it to me @farkas.

Hey everyone!

I currently own a Behringer 2600, and just bought a 62hp intellijel palette case. I write music for film, and am looking for build suggestions as to what will give me the broadest sonic palette - primarily darker/gritty sound design (with some ambient capability). I own a digitakt as well, and would love for this build to be functional compositionally away from the computer.

Any suggestions as to what this build could look like?

Thanks JimHowell1970 ! That's perfect.

Well, I've found myself in need of more VCAs (insert "you can never have too many..." joke here). I was thinking about investing in something that is a little more pricy than the usual suspects, specifically the L-1 Discrete Blacksea Quad VCA/Mixer (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/l-1-discrete-blacksea-quad-vca-mixer), but aside from a few extra features like the lin/exp switches, is it diminishing returns to spend twice as much as something like the perfectly servicable Happy Nerding 3xVCA, Intellijel, Veils, etc.?
I love the Happy Nerding stuff I already have, so I'm sure the 3xVCA would be decent. Is it just an indulgence to invest in the L-1 or something "high end" in that vein? I'm not an audiophile, in fact I usually focus on lo-fi styles, but I'm already pretty covered on that front. I need something on the cleaner side.
Just fishing for opinions, really. What do you all think? Anyone have experience with L-1, or another VCA module that you swear by?
Thanks in advance!

I think that was recently added. You may be able to edit some of them and add the tag if you are bored.

What is going on with (vintage??) Maths ???

I have seen all kinds of gear being declared vintage or rare over the last few years, to justify a higher price level. the latest i noticed was the vintage makenoise maths, with prices around 5/600 up to 900 and even 1100 ($ or €)

wtf??!! is it so much better than the newer and current model, to justify a price for used modules that is 2,3 or even 4 times the price of a new Maths?

Am i missing something?

EDITED Aug 8th 2023, 08:43

in the mean time you can always type shift register in the search field - that works!

If you go searching for "shift register" there are zero modules in the results. This must be some kind of glitch or MG just added shift register to module descriptions before manufactures had a change to use that tag?

All I know is I was searching for a specific SR and noticed nothing comes up under that "function." There are zero results.

Maybe someone at MG could fix this for us?

Are they why everyone says get a bigger case?

I find there are enough Space Clowns outside my case noodling so having more inside the case would be overkill, I'm never sure of the current draw of internal clowns either.

Understood! Very helpful! Tyvm!

I use RackBrutes. They’re supposed to have 88hp per row. They actually have 89. I always leave the extra 1hp for better ventilation.
And against space clowns... I have an adorable (fawn) pug and five cats (including two black cats, @wishbonebrewery ;)

Otherwise, I don’t know what it’s worth, but there is also this: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/konstant-lab-pwr-checker

EDITED Aug 7th 2023, 20:02

I'd love a few comments on my first rack. I'd been planning to go smaller, and picked up the System 3 for a good deal, but then also found a good deal on a 104hp Palette Case that I couldn't refuse!

I've bought all the items shown except Maths and the Intellijel I/O 1U modules. I'm not averse to selling or trading, but I'm going to play with what I've got for a while to get to grips with it.

The idea with this rack is to make a flexible (potentially future paraphonic or polyphonic by adding Intellijel CVx) synthesizer and (very basic) drum rack that can also do some processing/responding to incoming audio. It's starting out as a playground, with the view to becoming a live performance rack alongside acoustic instrument and vocal looping (not on the rack). Duties are as follows:

• Pico 3 - main voice and playground
• Rample - drums
• Ornament & Crime - quantization (missing on the Pico) or other utility
• Flurry - texture (I like cheesy vinyl crackle and waves) and/or strumming Rangoon (Rings)
• Rangoon (Rings) - secondary synth voice, naturalistic percussion, texture, processing incoming audio, pseudo reverb
• Maths - envelope follower/jack of all trades

The only thing I'm missing is a live sampler/looper/delay (apart from the Bucket Brigade on the Pico), but I plan to use an octatrack and/or Boss RC-600 outboard for these duties at first. I may replace Rampage with Morphagene in future if I want to get experimental and have CV control over looping/mangling.

I'm sure as soon as I start patching I will realise I need a couple other utilities, and there's space for a few other bits as I expand. But for now, any comments from experienced eurorack knob-twiddlers would be great!

(edited to remove unnecessary link)

EDITED Aug 7th 2023, 16:08

1hp gaps are good for back-routing clock signals around the case.
1hp gaps are great between 2hp Modular Modules.
Ventilation is good.
-- wishbonebrewery

But what about the space clowns?

• Both Pamelas Workouts need to load bank H
• CS-L oscillators are both tuned to E
• DFAM is tuned to E
• Mother-32 is in concert (C is C)

the mini midi breakout module (only 2hp) has multiple i/o (3 of each iirc) so can be used by both the es9 and the disting simulatneously, you just need the right ribbon cables and the right midi adapters

otherwise you could make custom cables to connect midi cables to idc conndectors... but the module solution above is probably a lot easier and cheaper!

the wmd modules may be difficult to source, they closed, but have re-started as ammt (I think that's correct), but I haven't seen any modules from the new company yet, I know the plan is to re-issue newer versions of some of the wmd modules

you should be able to pick them up used, but they may be expensive! or there may be a few left in stores!

you might want another filter, a waveshaper, a simple mixer, a clock divider, an end of chain mixer (with send/return) etc to get the most out of these modules...

how are you intending to mix the output of the modular and the analog rytm...

can the analog rytm be externally clocked?

Again, thanks for the tips.

Question:
Do I need a module to amplify (gain) the audio from my synths if I want to input it into a Eurorack module (i.e. a filter)? The output of my Korg Monologue, for example, is as loud as the headphone out (I tested). How does headphone level volume compare to modular level?

the simple answer is try it and see, it won't break anything, but I suspect that you'll need an input amplifier... NB most of these (& the filters you are looking at) are mono

Off topic
I live near The Hague, in The Netherlands. In the eighties there were two very good and famous music stores here and they had a shop in the center of the city. They were Servaas and Rock Palace. The first closed shop in 1994 (wow! has it been that long? I'm getting F-ing elderly!) the second became Key Music a few years ago and is closed now. Like some of you said: when it became Key Music the personnel that studied or worked in the music biz disappeared and buffons who insult your intelligence were placed behind the counter. Modularsynthesizers.nl oficially resides at Lulofsstraat 55 in The Hague (they're not open to the public). I know where that is, never occured to me though.

There also was a very, very nice store in Rotterdam (not in the center though) that became Key Music and then went bust/disappeared. Went there a few times w/ public transportation to look around and bought stuff there. They had a big classic car in the middle of the store. If you know how to read Dutch (or if Google translate can make something readable out of it) then there's a saddning article of its downwfall after it became Key Music here. See picture below.

I'm afraid that nowadays we're bound to reviewers and sound snippets on Yuotube to "test" and "listen" to musical instruments.

it's a shame that synthesizers.nl has completely closed to the public... they would have been really handy for you!

The Hague to Amsterdam is not that bad a trip on the train, though... neither long or expensive... so a trip to MIDI Amsterdam shouldn't be out of the question - maybe give Tim a call before though, if you want to try out specific modules...

BTW
Luckily AJH Synth modules can be bought in "regular" web shops like Thomann etc. Second hand might still be an option, however: I fear that shipping from outside The Netherlands (even if it's in the EU) is gonna be so expensive that what I save is little. Some sources say I even have to pay VAT (which is a whopping 21% in Holland) if I buy second hand from Great Britan or the US. I might have a look around though in the Dutch synthesizer forum: they sell a lot of stuff 2nd hand there too.

I asked Bax Music about one of the modules that I like. They don't disclose their mail address on their website anymore (deal breaker for me) and I can see that they haven't read the mail, or replied to it, yet.

-- MeneerJansen

it's definitely a possibility that you'll get hit for any combination of import duty, VAT and handling charges, if you shop outside the EU... so stick to EU! and yeah not much point buying a used module if it's only 20€ less than buying it new, especially if you can get free shipping on the new module...

Again, thanks for the tips.

Question:
Do I need a module to amplify (gain) the audio from my synths if I want to input it into a Eurorack module (i.e. a filter)? The output of my Korg Monologue, for example, is as loud as the headphone out (I tested). How does headphone level volume compare to modular level?

Off topic
I live near The Hague, in The Netherlands. In the eighties there were two very good and famous music stores here and they had a shop in the center of the city. They were Servaas and Rock Palace. The first closed shop in 1994 (wow! has it been that long? I'm getting F-ing elderly!) the second became Key Music a few years ago and is closed now. Like some of you said: when it became Key Music the personnel that studied or worked in the music biz disappeared and buffons who insult your intelligence were placed behind the counter. Modularsynthesizers.nl oficially resides at Lulofsstraat 55 in The Hague (they're not open to the public). I know where that is, never occured to me though.

There also was a very, very nice store in Rotterdam (not in the center though) that became Key Music and then went bust/disappeared. Went there a few times w/ public transportation to look around and bought stuff there. They had a big classic car in the middle of the store. If you know how to read Dutch (or if Google translate can make something readable out of it) then there's a saddning article of its downwfall after it became Key Music here. See picture below.

I'm afraid that nowadays we're bound to reviewers and sound snippets on Yuotube to "test" and "listen" to musical instruments.

BTW
Luckily AJH Synth modules can be bought in "regular" web shops like Thomann etc. Second hand might still be an option, however: I fear that shipping from outside The Netherlands (even if it's in the EU) is gonna be so expensive that what I save is little. Some sources say I even have to pay VAT (which is a whopping 21% in Holland) if I buy second hand from Great Britan or the US. I might have a look around though in the Dutch synthesizer forum: they sell a lot of stuff 2nd hand there too.

I asked Bax Music about one of the modules that I like. They don't disclose their mail address on their website anymore (deal breaker for me) and I can see that they haven't read the mail, or replied to it, yet.

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