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First of all, thanks a lot for your answer, Ronin. Much, much and appreciated!

Connection with the DAW is a critical part of the system, but also on of the areas which I am most clueless and lost. I've spent some time reading and looking for options and the ES8 and the —too prohibitive for me— Shuttle Control seemed like the standard. What are the advantages of using the FH2 and also the MIDI thing? It looks like I am actually losing HP, right? Also, would you get rid of the VCA?

Thanks again for your time!

input is appreciated guys THANK YOU!

i did some studying up on attenuverters this weekend, and i saw the utility in all the utility modules and realized they are probably was more important and versatile then the latest coolest filter. Inverting a signal to create panning with VCAs is pretty darn awesome.

i guess now i need an attenuverter, quantizer, and precision adder haha. what else ha?
tons of mults? i picked up some 3.5mm female jacks and blank panels to make my own passives. Also got some toggle switches to make passive mutes.
I picked up another VCA (Intellijel Quad) so i'll have 1 linear and 1 linear/exp.
Not sure which attenuverter to pickup, i'll figure it out.
My old soldering iron didn't have enough wattage so i just got a new Hakko.
I still have to put most of these together.

Now i have to lookup adding voltages, i'm sure it's much deeper than doubling an octave.

I think the plan now is to get that attenuverter, then put all these kits together and actually make some noise to figure out what else i need going forward. Looks easy in this game to make the wrong decisions as a noob and have a $2000 rack that does nothing! ha!

Thanks for your help guys! Going to research utilities til the holidays and work with what i've got so far.

OK...when Intellijel came up with their slightly-different 1U tile format, I was a bit displeased...as I knew this would lead to some level of confusion over which 1U is the "right" 1U...but what we got in the end was both 1Us existing side by side. Here on MG, they look more or less identical, and in a build, they behave on the grid in the same way. But they are not the same! Not only are the form factors slightly different, the Intellijel tiles use a typical 10-pin power/bus connector, while the original version of the format uses a 3-pin.

Sooo...annoying! But I think I have a relatively simple idea, and this will also help out companies making both versions, such as Plum Audio.

What I propose is that, when posting new 1U Eurorack modules, posters should add a [i] or [p] at the end of the module name. The [i] is for Intellijel, of course, and the [p] stands for Pulplogic, who was the big original innovator in the tile scene along with Erthenvar. By tagging each module like this, it becomes far easier to sort out whether your tiles belong where you think they should go. It should also help curb the mistake of new users not knowing that you can't mix these tile formats in the same row or put them in cases not capable of housing them.

Also, if you know you're looking at an Intellijel or Pulplogic format tile while browsing around MG, please take advantage of the user-editable listing capabilities and make that little addition (when possible) to make things easier for loads of other MG users. Pay it forward, folks!

Examples of using both:

Inverter: Let's say you have a pair of mono phase shifters, and you'd like to use these to create a signal that pans its phasing. To do this, you would mult your audio to both phase shifter inputs so that each one has the same signal to process. But when feeding the phase shifters with a single LFO for modulation, you'd first split these as well, but then one LFO split goes through an inverter before the phase shifter, while the other goes in to modulate the other phase shifter as normal. The result will be that when the first phase shifter is at the top of its sweep, the other is 180 degrees opposed and is at the bottom of its sweep. Also, in audio inverters can have a very neat use with effects; you can use a mono reverb to put a typical reverb effect on an audio signal, but before the reverb you'd mult the audio. One mult goes on to the reverb, and the other to an inverter, and both signals come back together in a mono mixer. In this usage, the inverted audio will cancel the "dry" part of the reverbed signal...but will also partially cancel similar waveforms in the reverb's output. As opposed to cranking the reverb to 100% wet, this method creates more of a "ghosted" signal, with the cancellation of the similar waveforms in the resulting mixer output becoming less and less as the reverb processes the zero degree signal with a certain degree of imprecision.

Adder: These are the reliable method for adding offset voltages to CVs. Let's say you have several VCOs fed from the same CV. This goes through an adder before splitting. Then, you have a sequencer, and you want to transpose all of these VCOs identically with it. The messy way would be to feed the VCOs directly. But the right method would be to use a precision adder to combine the incoming CV with the sequencer CV, then split the adder's output, as this gives you a lot more control, a simpler signal path, and as long as your sequencer CV out has quantizing, you can transpose the VCOs in exact steps to anything you prefer while at the same time maintaining proper CV control from your own local controller, MIDI, etc. Simple, straightforward. That example is one of what's probably countless uses for these.

Lastly, line level audio in Eurorack. Yes, you need a preamp. Audio signals within the modular environment are several times higher than typical line level signals, plus the impedence difference between your external source and the modular can also be a detriment that a good input module can correct. Another reason for having an input module is that many of these also have envelope followers, which allow you to take the dynamic information in an incoming signal and extract that to a CV, and these prove invaluable when using the modular as an external signal processor...such as in using the incoming dynamics to sweep a VCF in tandem with the external signal's peaks. Plus, a good preamp with isolation helps keep ground loops out of the synth; conversely, this is also why you should have output isolation, in addition to stepping the synth levels back down to line level.

Hey,
fyi - the Euporie filter is planned to be available in January 2020 (along with the Sinope Dual VCA).
We are hoping to complete some sound demos in the next few days... :)

Questions? Feel free to ask in this thread (thanks to the person initiating this thread)

Some further infos:
Four Pole LOWPASS VCF with Moog and Sallen&Key Resonance
Powerful Sound from sweet to overdriven with lot of character
Simultan 24dB, 12dB & 6 dB Filter Outs
12dB State Variable Highpass Input Switch (150Hz)
Linear Resonance Distortion and Input Gain Stage,
Make up Gain (Bass Boost) for Moog Style Resonance
Linear FM Input for Audio Rate modulation and Resonance CV IN
Keytracking In with 1V/Oct and Attentuator
Two exponential INs with Attentutators and CV THRU Outs

Update 10. January 2020:
have done some sound snippts for your enjoyment...

EDITED Jan 10th 2020, 21:56

Great, I did not looked at the 1010 before but it sounds really good. I will keep thinking about it

You're welcome. Definitely take it in stages. I think you'll find that when you build up "Stage One" and start getting your hands on the modules, you'll revise Stage Two, etc. The more rackspace you have available then the more flexibility you have to change your mind later on. At some point, though, you just have to roll the dice and order something. Don't be afraid to make mistakes while learning... just limit your exposure ($$) to what's comfortable.

These are all great points, and exactly the kind of questions I was hoping for. Much appreciated.
As far as ease of use, I enjoy both sides. I love WYSIWYG old analog monosynths, but I also enjoy reading manuals and fumbling around to discover capabilities. I may even try my hand at some simpler DIY modules. Like you though, I probably lean to the side of preferring one knob per function.
I'm definitely going to go back to the drawing board on the LFOs and ADSRs. You are absolutely right. I will check out your suggestions. I'll also start checking out multiple outs.
Thanks so much for your time. This is a dream project in the works, and I'm sure much of it will change as I start to build it and wrap my head around the pros and cons. I'll keep an eye on the forums and check in again in a few months when stage one is complete. Have a great day.

I'd also look at the 1010 Music "BitBox" instead of the Salmple. I'm not saying it's better or worse for your set-up, just different. Some major differences is the ability to record and playback in stereo, visual editing, and more sample time (longer loops than 11 seconds). The Bitbox also has a MIDI IN on a 3.5mm jack. So you can go from a 5-pin MIDI cable to a dongle, then straight into the Bitbox. So if you are using your DAW or hardware unit with a MIDI OUT, you can skip the Nerd Sequencer and just fire it off via MIDI (as an alternate set-up). It may or may not be your cup of tea.

What I also like about the Bitbox is that you can run two additional firmwares on it that turn it into a multi-effects box or a wavetable synthesizer.

" I cant really fathom what i would use an inverter for or an adder for, i need to see it on an oscilloscope and hear it with my ears first."

The inversion won't make a huge difference to audio rate signals but will make a major difference in much slower CV.

Well, let's take an attenuverter module as an example. I own a Befaco dual attenuverter.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/befaco-dual-atenuverter-

Each channel has two knobs. One controls attenuation the other controls offset. Full clockwise passes your original signal, full counter-clockwise passes your original signal 180 degrees out of phase. 12 o'clock mutes your signal. The positive range simple attenuates the signal, the negative range ALSO attenuates the signal but inverts the phase. The offset moves where your signal centers.

So let's take a simple LFO and plug it into the Befaco. Its range is -5 to +5v. If I start at full clockwise and turn the knob down I can diminish the range to something else... let's say -2 to +2V. If I'm in the counter clockwise range I can possible have my LFO running at +2 to -2V. Again, for slower modulation, this will make a difference.

Now let's get to the offset. We'll pick up at the +2 to -2V we just dialed in. By turning the offset knob I can keep the range of the signal... which is now 4V peak to peak versus 10V where we started... and offset it to something else. How about +5 to +1V, or -1 to -5V?

In the modular environment, it's all about the voltages. So being able to manipulate them in this way is going to give you much more fine control over how you modulate a CV input. Some modules do have built-in controls over the CV inputs; others do not. Some have controls for some functions but others are just a straight input (think of a filter with a built in attenuator for filter cut-off, but only a simple jack for resonance).

Precision adders. They simply sum a signal. But they do so with... precision. For something like summing two sources of modulation to control a filter cut-off... it's probably overkill. But where it counts is if you're taking two CVs that are controlling something like an oscillator's pitch and trying to sum them into a third pitch, you want something that's going to be exacting as inaccurate summing when you're trying to control pitch will lead to notes that are out of tune... even more so if you're covering a greater range of notes.

I'm sure there are details I'm leaving out and more accurate ways to describe the above... but in practical terms, this is why that these types of modules are very helpful in a modular environment.

Before commenting, I have a question. How does ease-of-use come into play when you're using stand-alone equipment? Some modules require a lot of diving into the manual and committing to memory all of the functionality and semi-secret button pushes and combinations to get full use out of a module. While a single module isn't too bad to learn... it's a bit of a challenge to commit an entire rack of modules to memory without spending a lot of time with them. The Mutable Instruments stuff definitely falls into this category: multiple modes that are only accessible by knowing how to get to them ahead of time. I'm not saying this is good or bad... it's just a matter of personal preference. My preference is one knob per function unless the module is really worth my time... again... my preference.

Another consideration would be the number of modulation points on a module. Take for instance your ADSRs. Zero modulation points... just a gate input and an output. I think I'd want at least one ADSR that has modulation points for the four stages. This will allow you for more expression in your system which (in my opinion) is the power of modular. Also, your EMW LFO... same story. You have 3 LFOs... cool... but they are out there in the wild and seem to only have only rate control and one waveform. That doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Something like a Xaos Devices Batumi + Poti expander will give you four LFOs with lots of CV modulation and multiple waveforms to choose from.

The last thing to touch on is outputs. A stereo output is fine. But if you're planning on recording a live set, you may want multiple line-level outputs if you plan on mixing your music after-the-fact. There are a lot of options there... again it's about preferences...

As a stand-alone unit, it seems to be missing a filter and a dedicated LFO.

The ES8 gives you DAW to CV access. That means your DAW will have to generate gates and CV. The other solution is to use a MIDI-to-CV solution. The FH2 can do this. There are also much more simple modules that are smaller in space with the same functionality as an FH2, but more limited in scope.

For me, I'd ditch the ES8 and Optomix. That opens up 16HP.

I'd put in a 2HP LFO v2 (2HP) and a Befaco MIDI Thing (6HP).
I'd also put in a Happy Nerding HN VCF (6HP) and a 2HP Mix (2HP).

Those changes will give you a lot more options in your rig.

You can open up 4 more HP by ditching the York quad attenuator and using external attenuators in line with your patch cables. Koma makes patch cable extenders that do just that. You can then use that 4HP for something like an Expert Sleepers Disting Mk4. That will give you a boatload of extra functionality to experiment with.

This is just one possibility and you might be able to swap other modules if they are to your liking.

Nevermind, let me try to write it down a second time:

I've been looking to buy a new main voice for my somewhat small case (3x84HP).
Complex oscillators (these days Instruo cs-l, Rossum trident and Double helix) seem like the most natural/common choice as they pack multiple modules in one. So, I was about to pull the trigger but against my gut: I have a feeling that other coherent paths to building complex sounds exist, and that they may suit me better.

So, my question is:
are there other winning couples of modules that would pack a lot of sonic possibilities and in maybe other directions than the traditional Buchla 259 system?

I heard of the trio Dixie + Rubicon + Wavefolder of course, and other people even mention coupling 2 mangroves.. I thought that a Rubicon + a Mangrove could be interesting, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Of course, if you really think that a complex OSC would simply provide more,
I'd love to hear you too!

Thanks :)

EDITED Dec 16th 2019, 19:09

Mmmh, does the empty thread means that I actually deleted my whole, long message?

Hi, eurorack noob here!

Lately I’ve been thinking of getting some modules to complement my 0 Coast and recently my purchased Dreadbox V3. I planned this rack here with that idea in mind (initially it was just the ES8 and the MATHS) but, you know, I just got carried away! Not 100% if this could work as a standalone system, though.

I’m mostly computer based, so I’m not looking for a huge beast (that’s why i tried to keep it in the realm of 84HPs). As I said, i have no experience with full modular systems, and I’m especially worried with all things physical (i’m thinking of getting an Eowave’s 84 HP wide 3U Skiff as a case but i don’t know if it will get me enough power…) but I’m pretty well versed in Aalto, so i think i get the hang of how modular works. At least to a degree.

Looking to do mostly tonal and “musical” stuff with it. Any ideas and suggestions will be more than welcome.

Much thanks and greetings in advance!

EDITED Dec 16th 2019, 10:02

Ricky is THE MAN! Thanks for sending, I've seen him use it in a few videos but haven't watched this one yet! Cheers.

WOW, there is a lot happening here!

Hello new community! I'm returning to music creation and synthesis after many, many years away. I'm excited to see the growth in the modular world. I'm not new to hardware synthesizers, but I am new to Eurorack, so I would like to welcome any guidance you may offer.
I enjoy the music of Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Cabaret Voltaire, Underworld, Aphex Twin, Throbbing Gristle, Depeche Mode, Tangerine Dream, Autechre, and everything in between, so I'm looking for a wide palette of sounds. I'm planning to build this 6U-9U rack in stages over the course of a year or two. I sold all of my old synths years ago, but recently picked up a Moog DFAM, Arturia Keystep, Behringer Crave (Mother-32 clone), and I'm adding a Beatstep Pro. It might be fun to play live gigs eventually, but I'm more interested in creating for myself and a few close friends. I don't really enjoy making music via software.
I'm sure I am missing some important utility modules here, or maybe I have picked out some redundant modules? Please offer your wisdom.
Thanks so much. I look forward to participating here in the future as I gain some knowledge to pay forward.

Thanks again for taking your time. I do not have enough knowledge for understanding exactly what you mean. But I think I got the big picture.
The modules I can use is Doepfer dual multi A-180-2, Doepfer dual attenautor A-183-1, Veils Quad VCA, an inverter, Mixer, Maths and some LFO:s.
Enough?

Sorry for the post/delete. My planned rack image has not updated yet, so I will repost when the link is current.
Thanks.

One missing thing: a dual mult. You need to send the same signals (input and modulation) to the VCAs to get a smooth L-R panning action. But there's an issue here in how the panning itself would sound...

Stereo panners are set up (usually) with what's called an "Equal Power" crossfade. What this means is that as each audio signal approaches the center of the stereo platform, it starts to drop so that when the signal is at dead center, each VCA would be outputting a 3 dB lower signal than the actual peak...that, in truth, would be from the extreme hard-panned direction to about 35-40% of the way to center. But you need to do this because if both VCAs were outputting an unattenuated signal, the center 10-20% of the stereo field would be abnormally loud. By lowering the VCA outputs at each VCA approaches the center, the summed level comes out to be pretty much the same as a single unattenuated VCA's. The result is a smooth motion across the stereo field without a big over-level "lump" in the middle. This is also how you'd want to do this if the VCAs were panning a control signal; again, you don't want this "zone" in the middle of the pan where the CV levels go waaaaay up, as that same, smooth equal power crossfade is also useful in keeping control signals from driving other modules into difficult to control areas.

Now, as to how to do that...well, that depends on the VCA in question, plus your own patching methods.

I guess I can get a crossfader by starting with some vca:s, an lfo and an inverter. But I understand that is not enough.
What do I need more and how shall I think?

Thanks so much for your answer Ronin!
Actually i have 6 VCO sound sources haha.
I was looking at the Intellijel Quad today, it looks perfect but i dont have much space left. I can always remove some of the elementary synthrotek stuff. Any VCA function inside the rack would be strictly for voltage control and logic functions, i have an extra 6 channel desk mixer to use for output.

REgarding white noise, the DS-M drum modules have 3 color types on a toggle switch. The MIX pot blends the built in VCO with the built in noise VCO. However, you are correct, if i am using all three modules for drums already, i have no noise source. My 'studio' area also has an old short wave radio that i built years ago, i was thinking of using that as a noise/sample source at times.

Regarding the attenuators, inverters, adders, shifters, polarizers.....thank you for the heads up. I cant really fathom what i would use an inverter for or an adder for, i need to see it on an oscilloscope and hear it with my ears first. However, my goal here is to be able to modulate and create logic functions wherever possible, i'm an automation guru at my day job, that's my cup of tea.

Would a single quad passive attenuator be sufficient? (hopefully one with add/subtract also)
Maybe i throw in a Doepfer A-183-2 Offset/Polarizer for good measure?

An side question also, If i plan to bring in external audio into the rack, is line level going to work well? Do i need one of these LineLevel Utility modules if I plan to bring in a sample to mangle?

Thanks guys! Just me writing this out helps a lot anyway haha, thanks again Ronin for the input.

I'll take whatever recommendation that are out there.

No, it's not a mistake...this is presumably a B. clone of the Moog 923. I saw this in a vid from them about a day ago along with teases of some other black-face B. modules that were clones of original Moog modules while they were hyping the new cab.

How the 923 is used: basically, it's NOT a filter module. It's a noise module. You have a white and a pink noise source, then the filters are there to adjust the noise color. Those are, if I recall correctly, Baxandall-type filters...non-resonant and more akin to "tone" controls albeit with a selectable corner frequency; as such, you wouldn't be using them like a VCF anyway. Some Moog users also like them for similar reasons as to why some engineers like to put Baxandalls on their mixbusses to do a bit of spectral tilting.

Thank you :)

Hi Defragmenteur,

I think you helped me already a lot with your comment that without individual output for each voice, the result is ok but flat.

So if I want to do recording & mastering outside my modular system but without a computer... I need something that can handle a lot of voices or at least as many voices as I might want to use.

Thank you and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Modular Freq,

Nice demo and drum beat :-) I like the way you explain how you get a certain sound, it's very educative as well as interesting!

Thank you very much for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Guitarsenal,

Ha, ha, yeah just two very plain filters, but might be useful if you just want to cutoff at a certain frequency.

Did you or anyone have heard of any update regarding Behringer versus their Eurorack modules? Pretty quiet around that theme, isn't it?

Kind regards, Garfield Modular.

Hi s_____,

Have a look at the Erica Synth - Black Octasource, there you have 8 phase-shifted outputs equally spread over the 360º, thus 45º each. Is that what you are looking for?

I am having this module and I love it. This module is totally bananas and if you start modulating even your dullest modules, they become rather interesting :-)

Kind regards, Garfield Modular.

This module seems like a rare mistake for modern era Behringer. There is no voltage control for cutoff and no resonance control with voltage or otherwise. It's not a VCF, it's just an F...

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Exponential VCAs don't have to be entirely new VCAs. The Intellijel Quad VCAs can be tuned to respond linearly or exponentially. It's a matter of preferences. If you want your VCAs to respond exponentially to your linear signals... then sure. But it's up to you if you need them.

Your rack could use some utilities like attenuators or attenuverters. You have a quad mixer/VCA unit. That's fine. But I see at least five sound sources. You don't necessarily need more mixer channels. But it's something that I noticed. Another small mixer for mixing CV (or audio) would be great in here. It doesn't need to be special, just handle audio and be DC coupled for CV.

Do you have a noise source? Pink and white? Noise mixed at low level can add some grit and character to a sound, even if you're filtering off the high end.

I'm assuming that your sequencer and time based effects (reverb, delay, etc.) are all handled outside of the box.

will this ever become a real module?

First of all, this ModularGrid module builder is great! thank you, i wish i saw it a month ago haha.

Right now, technical people would call my style 'industrial hip hop', sort of like technoanimal i guess but better. Maybe some days more Funk than others. Anything near experimental or ambient tends to be dub reggae like King Tubby or Lee Scratch. If i feel like turning up the BPM, it's jungle-ish with maybe a Gangstarr sample. Heavy Drums, Heavy Bass, add in a catchy melody with some accents, samples, etc, that's my style since the 90s.

I own the following external devices for reference:
-NI Maschine....a bunch of Volcas.......a bunch of Pocket Operators....a Drumbrute Impact.....a Microgranny, Thyme, Kastle, 60 Knobs, and Trinity modules....an LXR Drum Machine.....miscellaneous digital rackmount effects....a Monologue......four turn tables and a microphone.....and a BEATSTEP PRO.

What i'm trying to do is expand my sound repertoire for more Industrial Hip Hop. I prefer to call it Digital Hard Hop but whatever. Any modular rack system is incorporated to my toolkit above, i'm looking for sounds the others don't offer.

Here's the modules i have already purchased(most purchased in kit form still need assembly):
RACK............108 HP ghetto rack
DRUMS.......Qty 3 Synthrotek DS-M drum modules (bassdrum, snare, hihats)
VCO.............Atari Punk Console (square wave, it was cheap)
VCO.............Rat King Modular - TONE - (triangle, saw, pulse, AS3340 chip)
VCO/LFO....Bastl Tromso (triangle, LFO, sample and hold, distortion)
ADSR...........Blue Lantern ADSR (linear and exponential, loop mode)
FUNC GEN...Joranalogue Contour 1 (env generator, LFO, VCO, everyone else has Maths)
FOLDER.......Bastl Timber(wavefolder, VCA, feedback, overdrive)
FILTER.........Bastl Cinnamon (hp,bp,lp, can be used as oscillator)
FILTER.........Synthrotek 308 Distortion
FILTER.........Synthrotek Dirt Filter (sounded cool, supposed to be effects filter, low pass)
SEQUENCER... Division 6 Business Card Sequencer (may use BEATSTEP PRO instead)

Last thing i think i need is VCAs. Was looking to buy the following:
VCA .............Doepfer A-135-2 (Quad VCA and MIXER but not exponential(!))
VCA.............Bastl SKIS II (VCA, Env generator, but also linear)

Is there FUNCTIONAL aspect of SYNTHESIS that i am MISSING here?
Do i really need exponential VCA's? If i buy the two listed above, i have 10HP left.

Any recommendations?

Thanks guys! hate to be anther NOOB haha.
TomM

Thanks for taking the time to comment. My idea was the following: not to compete with an Elektron box, I do not have one but I like them. The Nerdseq tracker interface is like an Amiga Protracker plus it can hold samples itself, The Squid Sample is in a certain way in this rack like an Akai sampler without the weight. The Array is a simple no fuss step secuencer if I dont want to go with the nerdseq. Plaits would be a synth line that is not sampled. The Mum8 as it is based on the s950, so its a must, then the mixer and pamelas for clocked modulation. It is like a portable "classic" jungle setup where you would have the tracker, the samplers, some synth for bass maybe and the filter as it is an importat sound.

It is not cheaper than an octatrack mk2, but it works in a certain way like that old setup would work, just smaller and with spaghetti cable mess on it.

What are you looking to accomplish with this? How would you set up a patch in order to get what you want? Physically, what would you connect in this rack to produce your drum and bass? From my prospective it's severely lacking. Will it produce sound? Yes. Will its functionality beat a stand alone beat box from Akai or Elektron? No. But you'll be paying A LOT more for this.

I've been looking at demos and asked for opinions on the 1U reverb but it wasn't really what I needed. I would definitely recommend to make sure it suits your needs, I would personally not consider it as a sort of end of chain module. Again, that's just based on the small demo on Youtube and forum talk so to take with a grain of salt. I myself settled for a 2hp Verb for now, limited as well but at least it sounds decent and has that long tailed reverb I need. Now looking forward to real demos of the new FX modules by TipTop Audio. The ones I often see recommended are the Erbe-Verb by Make Noise (if only I had more cash and more rack space for it lol, demos sound incredible) and the Mutable Instruments Clouds (although a lot of people seem to use it as a reverb, it's wayyy more than that, again, wish I had the space for it).
For the sampling part, I haven't really reached a point where I'm ready to do that in my rack, I use an Octatrack in conjunction with the modular so I can't really comment further on that other than repeating that I would certainly try to decide exactly what needs to be achieved before looking at any module. There are a few options that are doing very different things so make sure you watch all the videos you can about those devices and also read their manuals before deciding.
For your pitch cv offset issue, I'm no expert so definitely check that out with someone else before making any purchase but I think a precision adder could solve your tracking issue. From what I understand, it is made to solve the problem you encountered and some modules have an offset built-in which could free up the Quadratt channel you are using now.
Discussing modular sequencers is worth its own thread (probably has several already tbh) but I'll just say that there are many many options, ranging from single modules to combinations of utilities, from immediate and/or random to pre-prepared sequences, some only cv, some only gate/triggers, some both. To illustrate, I was surprised to learn that you could have a lot of flexibility by having pitch and gate information being sequenced from 2 separate modules, or how it is possible to sequence a voice using a turing machine module in combination with a quantizer because those 2 aspects of sequencing are not really present in the "groovebox" world I was used to. Most options I know of in Eurorack take up a lot of rack space (because I need them to sequence more than 1 voice) so to sequence a single track, I can't really recommend any specific option.
All this being said, what are you using your O&C for ? From what I read in the manual (I don't own one yet, my 1U O&C is in the mail), the Quantermain app has a turing machine built-in so you could use that so sequence your other voice, and it has other options for pitch sequencing as well.
I hope this at least gave you more ideas and options to research :)
This thread has a link to my rack and a track I have on Youtube: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/8260

D.

thoughts?

User men_chine is a crook!

This is a warning to alert fellow wigglers about this person.
I paid for a module last month (PP f/f) and then he/she/it disappeared. men_chine is still active on Modulargrid, updates rack layouts etc and the ad is still up for that same module.

With the Maths, you have some possibilities to modulate the envelope. However the Math only has a rise and fall... so basically attack and decay. The Neutron has four stages per envelope. So if you're looking to replicate the Neutron's envelope generators, that might be hard with The Maths module. It will sound different.

To get closer, I would try something like a TipTop Z4000NS. You get CV control over all four stages, plus the "deviator" offset. The Z4000 is a little trickier to use as the deviator and attenuator always come into play. But that's the module I'd pick. The Maths is a good pick, don't get me wrong. But I can see you having an awesome patch on the Neutron then trying to swap out EGs and not being able to replicate the Neutron's envelope with the Maths.

-- Ronin1973

The Z4000NS looks like what i would want from an ADSR env, plus its 8hp and not expensive at all. I might throw it in the rack, but keep Maths as well.

For the output module, why not looking at a mixer+out+headphones out ?
In fine, you might end up with several voices when you'll get another vco
I started with a 4ms listen four and i replaced it by a XOH (with a XPAN before to increase the XOH limited mixer capabilities and save space)
The Quad VCA before the Out will do the job in the first time but as your rack will grow out, the needs of VCAs as well
However listen to the pro, I am still a beginner
-- anglr

When I'll add another VCO i'll need a lot of other modules including more VCAs, a filter or a LPG, maybe envelope generators etc. But that won't happen very soon. I'll be looking at a dedicated mixer then and at the end of the routing i'll always just need some "modular level to line out". I'm also looking at Lifeforms Outs as a cheaper alternative to Intellijel Outs, i have no idea about the sound quality on both modules tho.

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This might be a weird one...

Wondering if there's a module or a way to take my single sine LFO and get the related quadrature outputs?
Is this doable? I figure I just need some sort of fixed phase shifter?

bought a Triatt from @suhovmodular, all good and quick delivery.
sold a Maths to @Cortex, no issues, good buyer.
thanks to both!

For the output module, why not looking at a mixer+out+headphones out ?
In fine, you might end up with several voices when you'll get another vco
I started with a 4ms listen four and i replaced it by a XOH (with a XPAN before to increase the XOH limited mixer capabilities and save space)
The Quad VCA before the Out will do the job in the first time but as your rack will grow out, the needs of VCAs as well
However listen to the pro, I am still a beginner
-- anglr

Finding the right combination of Outs + Headphones + the features you want can be tricky. In my search, it was "not enough channels", "too expensive", "not enough sends", "no mutes", "too big", etc. Those features are nice if you can get them on your mixer. But I wouldn't make them must-haves if you find something that works for you.

Another factor is performance. Some mixers are meant to be set-and-forget. Others were purposely designed with performance in mind. That's something to always consider when buying a module... ergonomics are important if you're going to be playing the module live. Perhaps something not towards the top of the list when you're first starting out. But, something to consider if that's a goal.

Cheers.

Excluding the Mantis that would be around 1600 euros just for the modules. Maths is the most expensive module in this rack but i figure it would provide me with a lot of useful functions for instance sometimes i would like to use it as an external envelope for the Neutron because i can't modulate the ADSR parameters in the neutron.
-- abrupt

With the Maths, you have some possibilities to modulate the envelope. However the Math only has a rise and fall... so basically attack and decay. The Neutron has four stages per envelope. So if you're looking to replicate the Neutron's envelope generators, that might be hard with The Maths module. It will sound different.

To get closer, I would try something like a TipTop Z4000NS. You get CV control over all four stages, plus the "deviator" offset. The Z4000 is a little trickier to use as the deviator and attenuator always come into play. But that's the module I'd pick. The Maths is a good pick, don't get me wrong. But I can see you having an awesome patch on the Neutron then trying to swap out EGs and not being able to replicate the Neutron's envelope with the Maths.

I'll take a deeper look tonight once I convert Euros to Dollars. I'm on the other side of the pond.

EDITED Dec 12th 2019, 00:16

Defragmenteur / All: If I don't want to record via DAW on a computer but just recording (and mastering) without a computer, what would be the best way of doing so? Any recommendations? Currently I am using (as an intermediate solution) a Zoom H5 which is okay for some basic stuff but compared to the shared track here from Exposure, I can "throw away" my H5 ;-) Regarding recording/mastering I have nil experience.

I am afraid I can't help you. Mixing inside my rack is limited. My output is an Intellijel Outs which goes to my sound card input (Focusrite scarlett 8i6) then to my DAW (Reason) for adding end of the chain FX (mostly reverb & compression) and recording. Without individual output for each voice, the result is ok but flat.

EDITED Dec 12th 2019, 13:36

For the output module, why not looking at a mixer+out+headphones out ?
In fine, you might end up with several voices when you'll get another vco
I started with a 4ms listen four and i replaced it by a XOH (with a XPAN before to increase the XOH limited mixer capabilities and save space)
The Quad VCA before the Out will do the job in the first time but as your rack will grow out, the needs of VCAs as well
However listen to the pro, I am still a beginner

Hi Defragmenteur and Exposure,

Defragmenteur: Thank you very much for sharing those links, that's very helpful! I will look for quiet moments to read those entirely.

Exposure: The feedback from Senor-bling to check out the audio input/output modular might be still worth checking though; at least for my setup I will have a closer look at that.

Another thought is the audio interface, any issues there perhaps?

Defragmenteur / All: If I don't want to record via DAW on a computer but just recording (and mastering) without a computer, what would be the best way of doing so? Any recommendations? Currently I am using (as an intermediate solution) a Zoom H5 which is okay for some basic stuff but compared to the shared track here from Exposure, I can "throw away" my H5 ;-) Regarding recording/mastering I have nil experience.

Thank you very much in advance and kind regards, Garfield.

Thanks for your insight toodee! Definitely looking into effects modules, Intellijel has a nice little 1U reverb for example which I'm eyeing. I've heard of the Mimeophon, but have not watched any videos about it, will check it out.

Saw some Morphagene videos and was very impressed by it! Still ruminating on the 4ms STS vs. Morphagene vs. Nebulae v2 battle. But leaning towards the 4ms STS has two channels which would add great flexibility in my view. I've seen a guy use it in a "DJ metaphor" set up, basically with samples of full songs and manipulating live, super interesting (check it out here: ).

Any ideas for sequencing? I really would like to sequence the Chord V2 but the Mother32 sequencer is quite finicky in this context as it outputs -5/5 v. I've been offsetting it with my quadratt but tracking is a bit wonky.

Would love to see your rig and/or some stuff you've done!

Cheers,
D

Excluding the Mantis that would be around 1600 euros just for the modules. Maths is the most expensive module in this rack but i figure it would provide me with a lot of useful functions for instance sometimes i would like to use it as an external envelope for the Neutron because i can't modulate the ADSR parameters in the neutron.