Swapped out the Compare2 for a uTides2. As much as I love the stereo PWM from Compare2, I just didn't see a need for all the trigger generation in this case (or for this concept). The uTides2 offers up LFO, envelopes, as well as sub-harmonic generation. Gain staging in this case has been manageable so far with the mixing and attenuation I included.
Using Maths to square off the Tides waveforms works well. Modulating the smooth parameter to just slightly fold the Tides output pre-squaring adds some nice grit.
The Subharmonicon is by far my fav of all the semi modular Moogs (I've had em all!) and IMHO the Subharmonicon is an example of the parts being greater than their sum.
You get 6 oscilators (yeah, I know they are grouped in groups of three and are limited)
4 clock dividers that can be assigned to one of two (or both) 4 step sequencers
2 Attack/Decay envelopes
and a pretty sweet Moog filter
couple all of that with THE BEST patchbay of all 5 Moog semi-modulars and with only a handful of auxillary modules, you can have one heckuva crazy synth.
I sequence Vco 1 and 2 seperatley and don't use the internal sequencers for them at all. Those are for the decay of my Qu-Bit surface and ALM mco mk2 respectively. The sequencer clock outputs each triggera pair of funtion generators that modulat other stuff down the modulation pipeline so with the turn of a few knobs, I can get some wild modulation. All in time as well.
Also, all 3 OSCs of vco2 are routed to a seperate vca/filter with a Phase Modulation oscillator helper type thing in there for aadded FATNESS (lolz)
TL;dr
if you are thinking about getting one, do it. It's the best one
I feel that to get the most out of the Subharmonicon it really helps to have an external quantizer (with 2 channels). This really helps keep you in key. I know it has some quantization on board, but it's not enough for my liking. I get musical results much faster this way.
Sequencer section is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65
Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?
-- wiggler55550
Nope, the Moog Version. I never had the Behringer version and said I would get one if I ever decided to revisit the idea of a Subharmonicon". Sorry if my post was difficult to understand or unclear. I can see how it could be misinterprited.
Great experience with @Gabri101 Very kind, efficient, and careful with the packaging — everything arrived perfectly. Would definitely deal again if something from his rack catches my eye!
This is the first piece where I’m using my full new setup. Four Make Noise STOs build the harmony, with the Verbos Harmonic Oscillator taking the lead. Granular textures come from Intellijel Multigrain and Sealegs, shaped by Rings and Plaits. Enjoy the music!
So I got one. It's made really well. Shiny. The synth side is great. The oscillators sound rich and dynamic and are eager to purr and squeal under abuse. The filter does that thing. The EGs suffice.
I found exceptional ghosts in the machine, but like others have said, you have to hunt for them a while.
But when it's good, it's very good.
Understanding the subharmonics will take time, but I'm starting to hear it.
That sequencer though... I know there was a design vision, and sometimes you can hear it as well as see it,
but those clock ratios are made too squishy and indeteminate. I appreciate the happy accidents,
but that's no way to do everything. There should have been some rate indicator for those clocks,
or used clicky, 16-step encoders.
The quantizer is fine, even the 4x2 steps are interesting, but with those clocks, they should have let digital be digital.
And why they didn't put those nice little knobs they made for Mavis etc., onto the sequencer pots?
Moog cheaped out on the heart of the devices's reason for being. They aren't auxilliary controls.
They made those knobs, so knew they were needed. Sadly, that knob kit (25 for ~$30) is now impossible to find.
There are accountants that work at Moog, that are against something having too many knobs. Go figure.
Better (on a Spectravox):
A poor decision across that whole product line. When you buy a Yamaha receiver for $600,
it doesn't come with knobless knurled shafts sticking out the front. (or do they now?)
Moog inMusic has the profit margins to ship fully assembled products,
especially considering the hardware that $600 worth of Yamaha gets you.
So I'm still learning it, enough to try out what outboard things it needs to open it up.
The 3 tier plan: (inMoog doesn't sell those matching empty 60hp cases anymore either..)
This should help get it there, because when the Subharmonicon is good, it's very good.
I see, but this all already possible without new technical functionality. You can put any text and any link into the offer and also upload a photo. Maybe we should change the default text and add some ideas there?
-- modulargrid
I understand it is possible to add external images. I was expecting something that would let users document their own modules without selling them, not only planning/annotating their racks. I've heard more than once about people who had their racks stolen, and the sad thing is that they didn't have any serials or anything that might make it a bit easier to follow the trail of the stolen gear, even though it is probably very soon landing somewhere for sale.
One feature request that could have a big impact on safety for negotiating modules not only here but everywhere: adding manufacturer serial numbers, actual pics [...]
-- torto
I see, but this all already possible without new technical functionality. You can put any text and any link into the offer and also upload a photo. Maybe we should change the default text and add some ideas there?
Sequencer section is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65
Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?
Sequencer section of the Moog is great and inspirational but the synth part of it is so limited that all you can create is a handful of stereotypical moog sounds. I bought one and sent it back after about a week. the Behringer version its so much cheaper and sounds the same so if I decided to revisit the idea I would just buy one of those personally.
-- Bigbadger65
Are you talking about a Behringer version of the Subharmonicon?
-- wiggler55550
Nope, the Moog Version. I never had the Behringer version and said I would get one if I ever decided to revisit the idea of a Subharmonicon". Sorry if my post was difficult to understand or unclear. I can see how it could be misinterprited.
One feature request that could have a big impact on safety for negotiating modules not only here but everywhere: adding manufacturer serial numbers, actual pics (preferably with an unique id generated by MG) and/or other proof of ownership to owned modules. It is simple as that: when you add a module to your owned modules, you get an unique id and the possibility to write your serial number. When selling, you take a pic with that unique id printed or handwritten next to your module, which at the very least proves you own one.
Also allowing users to add optional URLs with links to their profiles on other platforms: ebay, kleinanzeigen, reverb etc. where people can have an idea of how reliable they are.
Eyyyy let's go, will tag some more! Thank you very much for adding these and the extra info on how to do so. I will now be able to to precisely add them... badam tssss :P
Thanks for the Love by sharing one of my Videos! I was using / do use this exact uMarbles from Tunefish Modular!
I can't recommend his Modules enough! Thorsten is a very talented and experienced builder, with high quality and affordable options!
Thanks again! Happy Patching!
Hi,
I think you'll need a clock generator, either a PAM or, for now, an LFO.
Regarding the case, as a next step, before buying another case, it might be more logical to return the Behringer semi-modular components to their respective cases...
-- ferran_RMBL
I do have the four LFO but I do find it somewhat limited. Seemes Like PAM might be the next module to get. And I suppose your right about returning the Model D and Neutron to their own cases before getting a second GO case haha
Buying a module carries much less responsibility than selling a module.
There are scam possibilities from both sides. I am dealing with lot's of requests to delete unjustified downvotes which is annoying because I don't want to interfere in private conversations so if someone comes up with a better, easy to implement idea I am all ears.
(On a side note, are these suggestions ever being read or considered? I have posted several suggestions and have yet to see anything come from it, be that a reply or implementation of some sort.)
-- toptier
Yes, I read them and most changes on the site come from suggestions, so thanks for every input.
The thumbs up/down feature could really use a rework.
Currently, the incentive for a user to leave a thumbs down on the profile of a user they had a negative experience with, is practically zero. Why? Because the other user retaliating with a thumbs down on your own profile is practically guaranteed, and you can't do anything about it.
The current system inaccurately represents the actual reliability of a user. Not only because of the above, but also because there is no way to distinguish whether a user has only ever bought modules, or has also sold modules. Buying a module carries much less responsibility than selling a module.
I have yet to come up with a concept that would work better as MG transactions are based on mutual trust between users, rather than having MG be the middleman, which would not be a solution either for various reasons. Perhaps we can come up with some ideas as a community.
(On a side note, are these suggestions ever being read or considered? I have posted several suggestions and have yet to see anything come from it, be that a reply or implementation of some sort.)
@modulargrid Thanks a lot for adding the category!
A small note, slightly off topic:
If you want Precision Adder to appear as the first category — which makes sense for some modules where that’s the main function — you can do the following:
Deselect all other categories except Precision Adder and save the module.
Then re-add the other categories and save again.
That way, Precision Adder will stay at the top.
By the way, sometimes it’s really inconvenient that “approved by manufacturer” entries can’t be edited — especially since there probably aren’t any moderators actively maintaining those, right?
Hi,
I think you'll need a clock generator, either a PAM or, for now, an LFO.
Regarding the case, as a next step, before buying another case, it might be more logical to return the Behringer semi-modular components to their respective cases...
This is my first post here so I apologize ahead of time. I am building my first eurorack in a Behringer GO case and as you can tell, most of the modules are behringer cuz I am broke and cant afford the super good stuff yet (but I do wanna save for those Qu-bit modules!)
I currently phycially own the behringer Neutron, Model D, Brains, Chaos, Abacus, Four LFO and the Erica Synths Mixer. I do have the behringer 182 sequencer but I HATE it with a burning pashion.
For some background, Deadmau5 got me into EDM (Shocker) and I would love to make something that I can mess around with and make drones, maybe some generative synthesis or something I can just play around with and get fun sounds. So definately inspired by him.
I have been told I need to get Pamela's Pro Workout before but idk what else I should swap out/ add. The Plasma Drive is def not a need but I do wanna try keeping the qu-bits for the ambient effects. The small 1U VCA is for the model D because for some reason in rack it has next to no output.
Keep in mind, im still learning and only have the basics down so any advice is good advice! If need be I will add another GO case down the road (which already seems to be the case lol)
Sequencing = Digitakt II + Bloom v1
Digitakt usually master clock but also use Ableton for studio stuff
Goal = IDM/acid performance rig
Want: Atlantix + 1 extra voice(CS-L, sounds so amazing), modular percussion accents, hands-on modulation
Totally hear you on utilities / “plumbing” — that’s what I’m focusing on dialing in:
Buffered mults for pitch
Attenuverters/offsets
VCAs for modulating the modulation
Small sub-mixers + performance mixer
Clean clock + reset routing
Mutes + FX send/return
Drums plan = Digitakt as backbone + modular glitch layer
Leaning toward Modbap Trinity 2.0 for playable modular percussion — if anyone’s used it in a Digitakt setup, curious how it felt.
If you have favorite utility chains / patch habits for performance (think Autechre-ish movement without chaos), I'd love to hear them.
There's several interconnects between modules behind the panel, and some key jumper changes, so it's cautious going.
No MIDI this time, but it's mostly stereo, and could be multi voice, 20(?!) note polyphonic, the hard way.
Nothing exotic here, I tried to keep it clean and readable because my eyesight is wonky.
Should be fun, deep, and nearly impossible to get and keep in tune :)
Trying out a new configuration based on the building blocks of an SH-101 / Intellijel Atlantix, but with a few extra spices thrown in based on the patches I've been doing lately. The STMIX/Output Bus combo may seem redundant but has been solving voice composition and external gear integration problems fairly well. I would have liked to fit a proper sub-osc but the Compare seems to be working to fill the gap. I might swap out one of the OBF LFO's for an OCHD but I really like the sync on the OBF.
Input pre-amps and MIDI interfaces are kept in a small sidecar since I don't use them in live performance very often and didn't want to use up rack space. I've got fat fingers and like to keep 1hp of space between every module where possible for usability and additional venting.
I've wanted to build this out for a while but I had to redo the power supply in the case first.
I intended it primarily as a monosynth, though it’s capable of duophonic or paraphonic patches depending on how the oscillators and filters are routed. I'll likely shuffle the positioning for better workflow. Patch wise ... I'm all over the place lately so this seems like a nice playground to explore a wide variety of ideas and styles.
I'll likely pair it with a Keystep or EP-133 K.O. II for live sequencing/play and backing/percussion tracks.
What do you use the most? You should build your live setup around a condensed version whatever it is you do naturally. What's a patch you've done recently that you felt you were able to jam on productively for a while? This might be more of a songwriting challenge than a setup issue.
How do you normally sequence this stuff? Do you plan to have distinct melodies/structures that evolve, or do you usually make your music by just improvising and not worrying about what "song" you're playing? I don't see a dedicated sequencing device on here, and that might streamline this process for you. There are a lot of possibilities in here for sequencing a set like you've described, but as you say, this potential is scattered across various modules without a clearly emerging singular logic. That aspect is extremely personal and will benefit greatly from trial and error that I presume has already started.
Since you know you want acid stuff, start with whatever makes the best and/or largest amount of usable acid sounds for you and go from there. What's your favorite way to put that element in, and how would you generate the pitch and gate info for it?
Hey everyone! I'm excited to announce that RackDocs is now available on the App Store!
It's a visual documentation tool for Eurorack modules. Photograph your faceplates, add annotations for all the controls, document LED states, switch positions, and create reference sheets you can actually use in the studio (offline mode).
Special thanks to ModularGrid: With their permission, RackDocs includes a ModularGrid import feature. Just paste a ModularGrid URL and it auto-fills the module specs, downloads the faceplate image, and even detects the format (3U, 1U, Buchla, Serge, etc.). Huge time-saver and it wouldn't exist without their support!
The app has a free tier to try out, plus a community library where you can download modules others have documented or share your own.
If you check it out, I'd love to hear your feedback—especially from the ModularGrid community since there's such obvious synergy between the platforms.
With that many modules, I'd try to arrange things to make each row an independant, standalone synth.
It's a good sorting exercise at least, and helps fix your arrangement into memory.
Where's the output going to come from? Is there a mixer and I missed it?
And the usual: needs more mults and offset/attenuators and other boring things.
Are you running mono or stereo?
Who's going to be the usual master clock? Will it need to clock many other things?
Will you need a reset circuit to sync clocks and counters on restart?
I’m trying to build a coherent performance system for IDM / acid using a Pittsburgh Modular EP-270 case. This is mainly a practice live-set system before I eventually move to an Intellijel Palette performance case.
I have a big “parts bin” of modules and want to form them into a focused, playable, musically coherent live instrument — not just fill space. I really value performability, hands-on modulation, and classic IDM drum programming (Aphex / Autechre-ish).
I’m thinking of adding the Modbap Trinity 2.0 for drum duties (love the classic glitchy/IDM drum vibe) but I am open to ideas for drums. I really don't like the sample drum and was planning on selling it
Goals
Live IDM / acid performance (sequenced + hands-on modulation)
Punchy, glitchable drums
Melodic + bassline voices with motion
Deep modulation playground, but not chaotic
Good mixing / utilities for performance
"Playable", not academic — I want muscle memory and flow
Gear Info
Here’s my currently owned modules rack
I’d love suggestions for:
Which modules to include
Row layout for best playability
Which utilities / modulators to prioritize
Anything in my rack that is better left out for a live setup
Optional: if anyone feels like actually building me a rack mockup from my available modules, that would be amazing.
Thanks for helping me whip this chaos into a real performance instrument. Looking forward to your ideas.
I cant see a concept in you rack. Do you have one?
Maybe simplifiy it at first.
add some utility, like attenuators and stuff, and envelopes.
How do you distribute the modulation?
Looks like, you put many big and complex modules together but miss the whole important stuff around.
Looks a bit like a mess to me, but maybe you have a plan behind it and I just dont know what you are going after.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Does Mordax have DATA in production any more, or is that run of units and parts all done?
They have one product, two versions, and they're both 'out of stock' on the site.
They talked about updating it, but it looks like Mordax lost interest in DATA a few years ago in the plague times.
Now they are focused on a prototype 'drone oscillator'. Oh boy.
Eurorack's a tough business to stay alive in.
Are you looking for a black faceplate, or a white one?