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Really nice work there :)
-- wishbonebrewery

Thank you so much! :-) Glad you like it! I appreciate your feedback.

Hi Wedoh,

Oh yes, you managed it, finally someone that managed to get me hyper spaced again. Wow, what a nice track! 6 minutes is the only negative thing I can find about this great track, this should have been 30 or 60 minutes! :-)

The last time I was hyper spaced here was by Troux on the 25th of January this earth year 2021, it took me a while to come back to earth, but having been far too long on earth, I have to thank you, Wedoh, on my bare knees, finally back into hyperspace ;-) Just arrived on planet Ioptraly 7Y5 (translated by Zopple), weird planet though, but hey, that's all part of this hyper space travelling, isn't it?

Ah come on, again your track just finished, going to press for the third time the play button, let's see if it can take me a bit further than Ioptraly 7Y5... in case you don't hear from me any more for a while... well that's because Wedoh's music took me too far away from planet Earth, no more Internet connection I am afraid...

Thank you very much Wedoh, hope to see you soon in hyperspace too ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

P.S.: Don't forget to bring your hand towel!
-- GarfieldModular

Dear Garfield,

I don't know how to express my gratitude for your awesome appreciation. It makes me very happy to read your post, and it really makes me want to continue exploring. Thank you so so much!
Also i love the Hitchers guide to the galaxy references! :-)

Spacecraft really helped creating the spacey feeling. If you like tracks that are space inspired, you might like this track too:

In that track i use Clouds with maximum reverb and the NW-1 spectrum envelope to really space out slowly.

How’s that boot taste, snitches?
-- illiac

What are you, 12? What exactly did you not understand about the previous messages? Nobody’s saying they’re supporting Behringer (and even if someone is, that’s their choice). We’re supporting the integrity of ModularGrid’s information. Keep your hurt feelings out of the database.

Hello,

I'm trying to put a system together and I'm trying to take my time as much as possible: to be able to gather information and of course, to stay within my monthly budget.

All I have at the moment is a TipTop Mantis case, Pam's New Workout and the 4ms Listen Four. I also ordered the 3x MIA at Schneider's, but it's not on stock. I'm trying to make a system to be able to create evolving ambient with some interesting rythms, and maybe also some faster electronic music.

My current plan looks like this:

I'm thinking of getting Plaits, Mimetic Digitalis and Milky Way to start, and then slowly progressing further. I'm also thinking of adding an external Sequencer, like a Beatstep Pro at some point. I figure the Mindphaser would be among the last things I'll get.

As you can see, filters are missing. I'm pretty unsure at this point how many and which ones I should go for. As for effects, maybe I should also get another unit next to the Milky Way.

Thanks in advance for anyone giving their opinion.

EDITED Jul 5th 2021, 11:16

HI Broadpath

When I connected my ES6 to my ES8, I had all sorts of issues with the Mac defaulting to ADAT clock for the ES8. When I looked in Ableton the ins and outs from the ES8 and ES6 were not available to me. The workaround for me was to set the ES8 to internal clock which seems to have sorted my issue.

I have a UAD Apollo Twin, UAD satellite and Behringer ADA8200 and I think its my UAD Apollo that serves as my master clock.

Everything plays in time and works now with these settings, so I thought It might be useful for others reading this thread.

Thanks

full support for intellijel!
-- samuelddy

I support!

How’s that boot taste, snitches?

full support for intellijel!

Our Fearless Leader is, in fact, very correct here. ModularGrid is designed as a neutral reference document, and just like how encyclopedias contain information that's quite disturbing, that can happen here as well. It's not a ringing endorsement of Behringer for their modules to appear here, it's simply listings...just like any other. And this isn't the first time that there's been listings by controversial manufacturers or for controversial products.

Yeah, I'll admit that what Uli's up to with these two new modules is pretty despicable. And what separates those from their other modules is that, while the other modules are also copies (sorta) of no-longer-existing modules (or, in the case of Moog, not-really-available modules, as you can only get theirs in prebuilt systems), the new ones are copies of VERY MUCH existing modules that are still in manufacture by Mutable and Intellijel. If Uli would just stick to reissues of the "greats", we'd still hear about him "ripping off" the designs, but no one would have bread taken from their mouth by that.

But does that mean that Uli gets tossed from MG? No. All MG is for here is making sure that you know what the module is, what it does, what size and power constraints does it have...and that's about it. Just like everyone other manufacturer who has listings here.

I spent a lot on modular this year and last but I’m done buying modules for a while. I need to fund a bunch of home repairs so that blows my music budget for a few years. All good as it will take me that long to really master my modules anyways.

Nice FX!!
I just sold the little one to get the XL...
Escape from noise should still have some.

and it does not feel right to set a manufacturer lock on behalf of their name.
-- modulargrid

I already love ModularGrid to bits, but your integrity just motivated me to get a unicorn account.

Behringer has no manufacturer account on MG and it does not feel right to set a manufacturer lock on behalf of their name.
That is currently the only way to lock the entry. If the edits do not stop very soon we will implement a technical solution.

ModularGrid is a database, like a directory of modules, we just show what is there. Discussions about the module here in the forum are o.k. but please stop replacing the image of the module with other unrelated silly images. Especially don't change the power specs with fantasy values. That is not helpful and will lead to numerous copies of this module which are a pain to track and merge.

Funny that you mention the Happy Nerding FX Aid XL module as I just picked one up from Analogue Haven as that was the only shop that had one online in stock for sale and Shawn is a stand up guy and was helpful when I asked him some modular questions. Great module so fun and I am still learning mine. I love using it along with my Mimeophon for great results.
-- sacguy71

Nice! Can't wait to get mine....I think I've contracted a case of GAS...saw someone with a Warps avaialble and also picked that up this week as well. I think I need to stop for a while because I was just starting to undertsand some of the use cases for my Maths and then threw a Quadrax into the mix with it which quickly taught me that I know nothing...now with the FX Aid XL and Warps on the way, I think I will be busy learning for quite a while

Yes, PLEASE do something about this. It's so annoying and childish. And indeed undermining ModularGrid.

Funny that you mention the Happy Nerding FX Aid XL module as I just picked one up from Analogue Haven as that was the only shop that had one online in stock for sale and Shawn is a stand up guy and was helpful when I asked him some modular questions. Great module so fun and I am still learning mine. I love using it along with my Mimeophon for great results.

HI Mods,

Would it be possible to take some action against the users or lock down module information as there are people actively undermining this site by changing the graphics of modules and removing or altering current information simply because they seem to have some beef with Behringer.

I get that people are entitled to their views but this kind of behaviour could go both ways with others changing the current draw on other major brands like instruo, Intellijel, mutable instruments, doepfer etc.

This could then lead to people planning racks where the voltage information can't be trusted that the site is supplying on quite expensive modules may I add. I for one don't trust the numbers anymore since noticing this behaviour.

For inf0, I plan on buying the 4 play. The mA draw is 100mA on the +12 and -12 line for anyone interested in this. There is nothing being drawn on the 5v line.

Thanks
Greenfly
-- greenfly

I fully agree.
Module information is intended to be fully neutral, it merely informs.
If you want to share your "emotions" on the module, take it to a forum, or go on Facebook...

EDITED Jul 4th 2021, 17:32

HI Mods,

Would it be possible to take some action against the users or lock down module information as there are people actively undermining this site by changing the graphics of modules and removing or altering current information simply because they seem to have some beef with Behringer.

I get that people are entitled to their views but this kind of behaviour could go both ways with others changing the current draw on other major brands like instruo, Intellijel, mutable instruments, doepfer etc.

This could then lead to people planning racks where the voltage information can't be trusted that the site is supplying on quite expensive modules may I add. I for one don't trust the numbers anymore since noticing this behaviour.

For inf0, I plan on buying the 4 play. The mA draw is 100mA on the +12 and -12 line for anyone interested in this. There is nothing being drawn on the 5v line.

Thanks
Greenfly

Hi Bleepadelic,

That is a great track, beautifully done.

I am sorry to hear about your capital. If one is suppressed by militarisation then besides writing (that might be politically difficult and one might be easily "militarised" too :-( ) making music is indeed a great way of expressing your feelings or the stress that has to come out by the suppression.

I do think your track does translates this well and I hope through music you can feel some enlightenment and find trust and confidence for yourself in the future. Kind regards, Garfield.

Thanks for listening :)

Yeah, I think the Audio interface seems to have solved my problems with the pops and clicks.

Hi there and happy 4th to those celebrating!

Wanted to post this rack that I’ve been working on that is semi complete but lots of room for change. I use this rack in a very deterministic (non generative) way. It’s all controlled from various controllers and ableton through an Endorphines Shuttle Control in a separate rack. That rack also has 4 adsrs, maths, pamelas new workout, ochd, s&h, couple vcas and noise modules, as well as line in.

This rack here is for making leads, baselines, hooks whatever from the top section. Also used as a way to mangle samples. Understood that it’s a bit specific and might be different. I think of it as a sound source/processor that gets recorded track by track, so no need for a big mixer or multiple voices. Ie, use everything for a kick drum then record, then make a lead and record, and so on.

Would welcome any thoughts or suggestions. Thanks!

Hi Wishbonebrewery,

That's a lovely long playful track. I like to lightness of this track, that put be back down earth on my both two feet :-) There is a kind of joyful and playful factor to it that makes it very enjoyable. This is perfect for a Sunday afternoon!

By the way, I don't hear any more ticks and stuff, did you manage to get to solve your audio interface issue? :-)

Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Really nice work there :)

This is a lovely piece.

Where is our Capital?

Thanks for listening :)

3 sources of Sine waves; the STO, the EvenVCO and a self-oscillating Rebach VCF-AB filter.
3 effects; Mimeophon, Monsoon Clouds, Pico DSP.

I've just noticed, there is quite a lot of the top of my head, its all my own hair even if its gone grey!

EDITED Jul 4th 2021, 14:15

I never thought that I would see the day that I would title a piece what I titled this. Today people here will celebrate this day and I don't understand what they think that they are celebrating.

EDITED Jul 4th 2021, 12:50

This is repulsive just blatant theft of Intellijel intellectual property. If I saw this module in an artist's rack I'd never buy another album from that artist. Art means nothing without ethics.

Good advice…thanks, will do

ok - complicated - and not sure it will work - if you go to modwiggler there's an Expert Sleepers sub-forum that Os monitors - maybe ask there

Understood! @Lugia
Thank you!

I own about 1/3 of these modules already, those being the SV-1, Wasp Filter, Braids, Voltage Block, CVpal, and the Disting. The goal is for this system to revolve around techno, but also be fairly versatile and capable of other things as well. Any critiques or suggestions from anyone more experienced than I might be?

Actually, one of the more interesting modulation pairings I've been tossing into builds as of late is the Maths with the Quadrax/Qx from Intellijel. The Quadrax is a 2 or 3-stage EG that can loop and have CV over rise and fall, and with the Qx it also outputs "end of X" pulses. Now, since the Maths can use those "end ofs", and also since the Qx can be used to "cascade" the Quadrax with as many EGs in the cascade as you prefer, that gives you some elaborate AND CVable modulation that pairs very nicely with how the Maths deals with its own rise/falls. Crosspatching those two is definitely a "the sum is more than its parts" situation! Then add to that something like Tiptop's MISO or Frap's 321 and a couple of linear, DC-coupled VCAs, and you'll then have a modulation monster!

And yeah, the DFAM doesn't belong in there. Even if you have open space in the cab after removing it, I'd go ahead and do that, as you don't want to be in the habit of having the DFAM in there and using it in there as well. It's a rather expensive mistake, actually...if you want to see how expensive, take the cost of the cab, divide that by the amount of hp it can hold, and then you'll have your cost-per-hp. Multiply this x60, and that's the hidden "extra" cost of cabbing the DFAM in here. Seriously...put it back in its case, and use the Eurorack cab for things with NO power and NO case.

It LOOKS fine. But then, looks aren't the criteria you should be worried about. That would be performance. And this thing's not going to perform.

For starters, I can tell that you're trying to build one of these mythical "does everything" builds. And yes, they can be built. But in general, they're loads larger than this; trying to build a "does everything" in a cab this small never works. And the results are also apparent here...it's missing a lot of the "boring" modules that actually allow the "sexy" ones to operate at their full capabilities.

First of all, yank out all of those drum modules. No, seriously. Add up how much all of the drum modules cost, as well as the cost of the cab space they cover (this gets calculated like this: cab price/hp count=price per hp). Then jump over to the website of any major music gear retailer and look at their drum machines. Ultimately, you'd do MUCH better with a separate drum machine than trying to build one in here. Not only would it free space in the cab, be easier to lock up with a DAW, and so on...it's definitely going to be loads cheaper unless you get something crazy-spendy.

Once you've freed up space in here, then you'll have room for the modulation generators, utilities, and other devices that the rest of the modules require. At that point, you should probably change the layout so that it makes more sense. Put all the audio sources in one area, filters in another, VCAs, submixers, etc etc. You get the idea. By doing this, it simplifies the "map" of the panel and makes this much easier to patch. As an example, have a look at an ARP 2600 or, for that matter, Behringer's clone of it...and you'll see this some of this sort of layout paradigm in action.

BTW, I have a noob question @Ligia @JimHowell1970. If a VCO has 1 Sub-Osc (-1 Oct) output; should I have at least 2 filter, 2 VCA and 4 EG minimum for that particular Oscillator?
-- Hikove

Nope. Well, actually, you CAN, but it's overkill. One of the most respected monosynths of all time (the Roland SH-101 and, by extension, the MC-202) also has a single VCO + a suboscillator, and the synth simply mixes those two together pre-VCF. However, it IS worthwhile to have a VCA available for the suboscillator since that will allow you to add/remove that part of the oscillator composite signal like you would do with any other source. So, say, you can have a hard attack on the basic output, but with a slower attack sent to the suboscillator's VCA, this would then "fade up into" the main VCO sound.

Hi Wedoh,

Oh yes, you managed it, finally someone that managed to get me hyper spaced again. Wow, what a nice track! 6 minutes is the only negative thing I can find about this great track, this should have been 30 or 60 minutes! :-)

The last time I was hyper spaced here was by Troux on the 25th of January this earth year 2021, it took me a while to come back to earth, but having been far too long on earth, I have to thank you, Wedoh, on my bare knees, finally back into hyperspace ;-) Just arrived on planet Ioptraly 7Y5 (translated by Zopple), weird planet though, but hey, that's all part of this hyper space travelling, isn't it?

Ah come on, again your track just finished, going to press for the third time the play button, let's see if it can take me a bit further than Ioptraly 7Y5... in case you don't hear from me any more for a while... well that's because Wedoh's music took me too far away from planet Earth, no more Internet connection I am afraid...

Thank you very much Wedoh, hope to see you soon in hyperspace too ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

P.S.: Don't forget to bring your hand towel!

+1 on removing the Subby and Strega. Doing this sort of thing only makes sense if you MUST minimize your rig for travel and don't want to keep track of the cabs that SHOULD contain those two. Otherwise, this is a massive waste of valuable (and expensive, if you're really planning on putting this in a traditional A-100 Doepfer cab!) rack space and power resources which, if these two devices stay in their already-powered cabs, you'll actually be able to use for modules that DON'T have power and DON'T come already cased.

As for the rest...hard to say. Since about half of the build is taken up by those two devices alone, it would probably make more sense to delete this build and start again, this time NOT putting cased and powered devices in with regular Eurorack modules. One thing, though...what you have in actual modules is nowhere near being suitable as a synth voice. Without VCAs, you have no way to control ANY signal levels, for starters. There are no mixers, no attenuators, no ways to invert signals, and so on which you need to work with both modulation and audio signals.

It would appear that you're following either some misinformation, or you're attempting to proceed with something VERY expensive without the requisite information. Either way, you're about to create a vast black hole into which money gets poured and no useful sounds come back out. A far better approach would be for you to get a copy of VCV Rack (it's free: https://vcvrack.com/) and start exploring what various modules/circuits actually do. Spend a few months with it...THEN attempt another build on MG. I guarantee you that, with the info gleaned from VCV Rack and hours spent with it learning synthesis basics and beyond, you won't put together something that looks like the above. Instead, hopefully, you'll wind up then with a real system, capable of all of what we associate with good modular builds.

Thanks for the detailed response. I keep gong back and forth between maths and some version like rampage. Starting new I really like the idea of a dedicated module to do a specific task but that gets expensive and take up a lot of space. I figure I’m gonna take out dfam once I fill up the case but right now it look better then an empty hole. I get what you are saying about utilities. This rack will sure change as I add little by little. Loving how much more I can do with the dfam with just PNW. I’m using the quantizer on PNW now but was not loving using a cv input for it. But that premature cause I don’t have many modules yet. I did not know about dfam iirc…I’ll do some research.
And as for Fx aid…that looks amazing…already threw that in my modulargrid case.
Thanks again! The modular community has been super awesome and very helpful.

Hi,

I wanted to experiment using the "Spaceship" app on my iPad and record it into Morphagene.

Patch notes
First i used ODIO to send a SWN melody into the Spaceship granular app. Then i made a pad sound with Spaceship, using that recording, and sent it back into ODIO and recorded that signal using Morphagene.
I made two voices:
Voice 1: Morphagene -> Rainmaker
Voice 2: Tides 2 -> Planar 2 -> Belgrad -> VCA -> Tapographic delay.
A motion pattern loop was recorded using Planar 2, and the bipolar X & Y outputs was sent to Morphagene's "Gene size" and "Slide" CV inputs.
Zadar modulated Belgrad FM & v/oct, and the VCA used for voice 2.
I believe Voltage block generated a unquantized melody sent to the v/oct input of Tides. I tuned tides so it sounded intune with the recording of morphagene, played back at a faster speed. I had no idea what scale or tones i generated using Spaceship, so all tuning had to be done by ear.
A lot of resonans was used in both the rainmaker patch, Tapographic delay and Belgrad.
Master outputs sent to the inputs of Waldorf Quantum, and used it as an external effect rack. Think i added some reverb before i sent the master signal into Ableton for sampling.

Mastered in Ableton using THD distorsion, MS EQ, Compressor and limiter.

I fixed it a little bit I think

Thanks for your reply!

In my current understanding, I think that's true when ES-6 is connected to ES-3, as ES-3 doesn't have ES-8's internal clock (accessed via the cable), so clock is sent via ADAT. My ES-8 is connected to the ADAT I/O of my MOTU 624, and thus gets its clock from the MOTU which would, (I think) extend to a connected ES-6. Once the clock requirement is met, it's just a question of whether ES-6's output could go to another unit's ADAT.

The complete picture is ES-8 ADAT I/O goes to MOTU 624, and speculating that ES-3 output could go to ADAT-in on a MOTU 8A, which is in-turn connected to the 624 via Ethernet.

there was a potentiometer shortage a while back and I've heard rumours of a shortage of tl072s and/or 74s - so there may be an analog chip shortage too

nobody NEEDS maths - at least not the module, but it is pretty handy to have around - in that it does a lot of things - please refer to the 'maths illustrated supplement' for more details - defintely get this module or a similar one (DUSG/falistri/rampage) if you are interested in synthesis as opposed to making sounds with a synthesizer (it helps massively with that too)

I'd want more utilities - but then I always do - mixers, vcas, switches, inverters etc etc - these are the dull inexpensive modules that keep the expensive shiny ones shiny!

of all the modules to remove from the case the obvious one to me is the dfam - it has it's own case and putting it in a eurorack costs extra money to house it & the hp could be used for modules that actually need rack space

not convinced on the need for the quantizer - bloom has a quantizer built in as does pams as does dfam iirc (which may need a converter too - if so there is one in disting)

black hole dsp takes up a lot of space - fx aid (xl) is much smaller and similar in function - whilst being more versatile

iirc you also need to connect the adat from the es6 to the es8 (as well as the ribbon cable)

"The ES-8 also has ADAT inputs & outputs. This could be used for example to expand the I/O count via an Expert Sleepers ES-3 and/or ES-6, or to connect a traditional audio interface to add, say, mic preamps or 1/4" line outputs (for example with the Behringer ADA8200). "

too many sound sources in this size case imo
not enough support modules for those voices
not enough mixer channels to support all voices - I count 20 (the sound sources, mimeophon and beads) and only 7 mixer inputs - none of which are stereo (and both mimeophon and beads are stereo)
almost definitely not enough vcas - use them for modulation too
no offset, no inversion, no switches
no sub-mixer for mixing dixies outputs before filtering
I would want another filter - maybe 2
dump most of the bottom row, except for tetra, algoryhthm and maybe ears and maybe the i/o
buy a matrix mixer for mixing modulation
consider tesseract modular tex-mix as a end of chain mixer - inexpensive and expandable - I would suggest starting with 3 4mono channels and a 4 stereo channels and a master channel - 12 mono channels with vcas +4 stereo, 2 send/returns, cue/mix and headphones - all in 58hp for less than 400 of your choice of major currency

Hello,

I’m considering purchasing an ES-6 to expand my existing ES-8 inputs. I get that the two need to be connected at their respective boards in order for the ES-6 to function. At that point, however, can each be routed to the ADAT inputs of separate audio interfaces, or to a different bank of ADAT ins on the same interface; or does ES-6 need to be routed through ES-8 ADAT inputs directly.

I’m pretty sure this arrangement will work but thought I would ask as the ES line can sometimes be elusive to a full understanding of how they work together

Thanks in advance!

Yeah, that must how they started with the child labor at Nike, « it makes things cheaper ». It’s all fine, carry on…
-- toodee

it's not why they started, but it is why they haven't stopped it yet...

Clear!!
Thank you @JimHowell1970