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im leaving forever. i cant seem to get enough respect about wanting to share my case layout ideas on here. etcetera. ...

yall should check out 'muezig' on youtube, though. he posts new live content regularly, and it really embodies the 'concept' of a unique sound and all-in-one ness that i was looking for yalls feedback on. he could use the engagement. etcetera. ...

peace ✌️

Thanks for sharing, hope you're able to realize this setup in the future!

im better than you, in my fantasy world, @zacksname .

get a life.

peace ✌️

"get a life.

peace"

I love it.

@zacksname i just told you the modules i would get first. i cannot afford them. i just want to post ideas for rack configurations on here as creative stimulation. get a life.

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I thought you wanted people to engage with you. I'm the only one still willing to do so, and I've been as reasonable as anyone could be about all this. If you don't want to talk to me, that's fine, but if you don't like what I've said then there might not be a point for you in coming here to engage, especially if you continue to be combative about any advice that conflicts with your idealized version of modular synths.

id want it all at once. if i could only get less at a time, then i would get this all at once:

i just want that perfect improv toy and im not there yet is all, why do you keep asking?

peace ✌️

Which things would you get first?

yes. i would like to have this one, even though the design is not perfect and the clocky is not actually really doing anything:

also, just to include this, too, here is the $30 yoyo:

https://a.co/d/jk2m3Ki

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Do you want a $6000 eurorack case?

yes. im all set up with "arrangements" on a daily, very limited budget, and i spent $30 of my own money on a yoyo from amazon. in fact, that $30 one is almost my fav right now.

why? what of it?

i "cant" save up on my daily spending for a $6,000 eurorack case, etc. so, why ask? etc.

peace ✌️

You spent $30 on a yoyo?

im just saying. you can get a full 100% workable yoyo for $30. no comparison.

basically.

etc.

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If you are careful and follow advice from those with experience, you should be able to get a good modular system for less than $36,000.

i spent $120 on a yoyo. (it was a gift actually.) a yoyo made of solid titanium can be $500. the $120 was a yoyofriends tachyon, but mostly i use another $80 yoyofriends, a $30 almost no brand amazon thing that plays above its price, and a few cheaper plastic ones so i dont forget how to play on the cheaper ones.

i could ask some person on here; "you spend $36,000 on eurorack modules?" etcetera. ... ...

yoyo is super rewarding. more people should get into it. etcetera. etcetera. ...

peace ✌️

Thank you for pointing on this incredible pedal
- Now I need this.

Does someone like to sell or swap one?

Check the experimental sampler-modules of "Error Instruments"

I guess you could archive somekind of similar territority with:
"MI Beads" or "Moonson (with the right firmware)" + a turing maschine module like - (Noise Engineering Gamut Repetitor / Marbles, Clank Chaos .....)
But I guess there is some final sauce missing.

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You spent $200 on a yoyo?

i do. notice how my designs kept making more and more sense after every time i came back over every couple of months, but i have very specific constraints im trying to work inside of, and so, due to issues with things like module availability, yes, my designs could use some improvement.

i still think if this site was a little different then the community here can grow more.

also a whole yoyo is only ever like $200 tops.

peace ✌️

I think if you apply the same attitude you applied to yoyos here and get engaged with the actual materials, you will do better.

yeah. i can do two combos i invented and am just now starting to work on advanced tricks.

i want to share a direct quote:

"ModularGrid uses so-called cookies to ensure it's so-called functionality. We also use dubious tracking scripts. Find out more in the Privacy Policy. We use cookies and wanna let you know.'

would you trust a website like that?

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Do you actually practice with that?

i took up unresponsive yoyo, late, maybe, idk, like 5 years ago? and, im being plenty patient with it, not even giving it my full undivided attention, and still making good progress. i do not believe my disposition is as messed up as you think it is. etcetera.

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If you had said somewhere in your early 20s, I would be more optimistic about you outgrowing this disposition and learning to be more patient when taking on a new hobby.

i dont see why thats important and is almost a little bit too personally identifiable, but: ...

"almost 40".

why do you even want to know?

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How old are you?

cool. im not an admin. im not a dev. im not a writer on modular synthesis. but i have this whole vision for a modulargrid 2.0 with friendly reminders and ai chat assistance,

because, i care about the future of modular synthesis, because, in my fantasy world i have an enormous eurorack 'toy' that i like to play with, and i want more toys, etcetera.

i dont hate this site. i just wish i was seeing more valuable community interactions, etc. because that would grow this hobby, and im thinking maybe a lil ml could seed this. etc.

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i think people just need this site to provide them a gentle reminder about how to think about using this very site. etcetera.

-- singular_sound

I definitely agree that there are people who need (at the very least) a gentle reminder about how to approach using this site.

nu uh, @zacksname my cult disagrees with you. ... ... i think people just need this site to provide them a gentle reminder about how to think about using this very site. etcetera.

Has anyone come across the Fieldtone Weaver? Looks like a guitar pedal - it samples audio and spits it back out in random rhtuhms and pitches. Can anyone suggest a eurorack module that does something similar??? Thanks

You might need to read some books/posts, watch some tutorials, and also get more familiar with the materials themselves. This will help you understand the onboarding process better, and if you don't find this resource at the end of your research, then you'll have everything you need to create it. For now, I'm not sure you'd know which of these resources are the right one even if you found it, because you haven't done the thing for which you're trying to create and evaluate learning tools. Having a plan and overall goal is good, but you still have to start at the beginning and go through it all step by step.

it would be for someone who started looking into eurorack modules for some reason then finds this website and becomes interested in maybe putting together their own case but is overwhelmed with the possibilities that the plethora of options that the design page here provides and it would be designed to catch them just before they give up or accidently purchase something that ends up not suiting them or even just post something on here that is un-feedback-able and to "guide" them toward making choices with good outcomes.

i know the author claims that that book was not actually on the topic of zen, but to be honest i always find reading over it again to be a zen experience, in a personal way, etc.

etc.

peace ✌️

EDITED Apr 9th, 20:46

have you read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance @Dub007 ? that is the book i was trying to reference. if you have not, you might not grok what i have in mind, etc. ...

peace ✌️
-- singular_sound

You mean a piece of pop philosophy from an author who themselves claimed the book was not really an accurate take on either "zen" or "motorcycles", the two things it was ostensibly about? I'm not even inherently against such a project for music gear and modular synths in particular, but who would such a resource be for? Why would it be Modulargrid that provides it?

read zen an the art of motorcycle maintenance.

it goes into why its important to figure out why you want to do things before you do them, which is more what i wanted my hypothetical guide for here to cover.

(claude didnt generate exactly what i wanted. my own version might be 5x longer and might include little anecdotes about what to avoid and things that really work.)

peace ✌️

EDITED Apr 9th, 20:15

i disagree that you must have a vca as its own module to be honest. that modwiggler thread does not go into why you might want to get into modular in the first place or the aesthetics of module selection or how to design something that actually meets your real creative expressive potential needs.

have you read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance @Dub007 ? that is the book i was trying to reference. if you have not, you might not grok what i have in mind, etc. ...

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-- singular_sound

you're welcome to disagree.
the thread doesn't tackle personal preference or similar. that would be strange. yes, your right. it's general, functional and leaves these things to you... the creator (buyer).

and... im done... happy wiggling

thanks. maybe ill unbox my po-33 k.o., record some samples of things i have on the ready, throw something together in 2 seconds, upload it to youtube, and post it here, just to contribute. (havent decided.)

peace ✌️

im not a child and zacksname is not my teacher. i am not required to 100% love criticism, especially when its not moving me toward my goals. i know how synths work.

peace ✌️
-- singular_sound

understood... and happy wiggling

we're looking forward to listening to your sketches or full tracks when you sort things

zacksname, i have just one thing to say:

https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/taking-criticism/
-- singular_sound

I get the feeling you will have more than this to say.

i disagree that you must have a vca as its own module to be honest. that modwiggler thread does not go into why you might want to get into modular in the first place or the aesthetics of module selection or how to design something that actually meets your real creative expressive potential needs.

have you read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance @Dub007 ? that is the book i was trying to reference. if you have not, you might not grok what i have in mind, etc. ...

peace ✌️

im not a child and zacksname is not my teacher. i am not required to 100% love criticism, especially when its not moving me toward my goals. i know how synths work.

peace ✌️

3. This process cannot be done without you doing the majority of the work in testing module types, trying things one step at a time, maybe visiting music stores to see what you can try. VCV Rack and Hexen are around for free, and you can read module manuals to better understand what they can and can't do. Only you will know what works best for you, and figuring it out is part of the fun. If you just want an "all-in-one band in a box", they already have that, and it's called a computer.

If you want to flex your creativity, play some music. If you need help with something, ask. If you just want to chat, maybe see if there are any Discords you can join or go on Modwiggler. In my experience, conversation here seems to be limited to people posting music or asking specific questions. If you already have "very specific taste", you might not need to share your ideas before you start working on them anyway. Frankly, your behavior here is pretty alienating and will not turn this place into a great place to make friends. Being a good listener and taking the feedback you asked for well even if it doesn't necessarily fit your goals will work much better.
-- Zacksname

100%

3 for sure... it's your dime and your ride

@zacksname amazing fortitude and grace

EDITED Apr 9th, 19:22

This was super helpful. https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=230155
Patch & Tweak is also a great source.
I also went my own way (after a couple of months / years... doesn't everyone?), more or less... but did ask for and get some hard (good) advice... that I kind of listened to (Utilities, Star mults, VCAs, that damn big(ish) but really useful matrix mixer ;)).

Every use case and user is unique when it comes to creating things... modular makes it way more complicated with the vast options it offers to the creators (which is one reason why it's often recommended to start with a simi-modular)... but the foundation is the same...

"In order to get sound out of your modular and have a working instrument, you must have the following things purchased:
Case / Power Supply
Oscillator or Sound Source
Modulation Source
Sequencer
VCA"

Start here... maybe add an multi FX module... these 4-5 simple things (or complicated if you want) and then learn from there.

zacksname, i have just one thing to say:

https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/taking-criticism/

1. You are doing that, though your inability to take criticism without being defensive will limit how much people want to engage with you. People aren't going to engage with you if you are demanding and difficult in ways that aren't called for.
2. You are doing that and people are responding to them.
3. This process cannot be done without you doing the majority of the work in testing module types, trying things one step at a time, maybe visiting music stores to see what you can try. VCV Rack and Hexen are around for free, and you can read module manuals to better understand what they can and can't do. Only you will know what works best for you, and figuring it out is part of the fun. If you just want an "all-in-one band in a box", they already have that, and it's called a computer.

If you want to flex your creativity, play some music. If you need help with something, ask. If you just want to chat, maybe see if there are any Discords you can join or go on Modwiggler. In my experience, conversation here seems to be limited to people posting music or asking specific questions. If you already have "very specific taste", you might not need to share your ideas before you start working on them anyway. Frankly, your behavior here is pretty alienating and will not turn this place into a great place to make friends. Being a good listener and taking the feedback you asked for well even if it doesn't necessarily fit your goals will work much better.

EDITED Apr 9th, 19:02

1. interact with the community.

2. share ideas.

3. work toward a module case configuration that 100% suits my concept of how i want to approach eurorack modular from an improv perspective i might pull the trigger on, later.

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you saw my latest 80hp rack design. ... ... the problem isnt that i dont know how to design a budget case for myself. the problem is that i have very specific taste and "sensibilities".

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what i really wanted was just more back and forth dialogue about the philosophy of all of eurorack, not just nitpicking about a specific module choices that are a bit non-standard.

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like, im looking to flex my creativity, because its a muscle i need to work and the po-33 k.o. i have is just not a "heavy" enough weight to feel worth my time right now, and im bored.

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i shouldnt have to justify why i am looking for feedback on ideas as just ideas, i.m.h.o.

peace ✌️

What is your current goal?

hey zacksname. if picking up new modules is 100% not a problem for you, then why dont you pick up a strange-r bighat, figure out a patch you can make that has drums covered, and play around with my 'concept' of improvising key changes and, things of that nature, as part of a live performance semi random flow zone you can try to get into, and then get back to me if there really is no fruit to be picked in my "totally self contained band in a box instrument" idea.

its not impossible for me to pick up modules. i just need the perfect concept before i do so.

i dont mind feedback if its constructive, etc.

peace ✌️

And we don't want to limit our responses to just the ones you want.

I feel like I get the general direction of your satire, but without identifying a real issue and purpose it just lacks a certain bite and effectiveness.

so, youd prefer i just unbox my po-33 k.o. and only talk about that, ever? nah. id rather dream big. im an ideas guy. rick rubin didnt need to buy his own guitar to produce system of a down. what if one of my ideas turns into a new module that helps the whole entire community? designing rack configurations is fun to me. i dont want to limit my creativity to only todays budget.

peace ✌️

I think making contributions based on your experience with a studio that isn't going to exist is probably limiting your ability to get engagement with people on a website about things that (mostly) do exist or will in the future.

ive messed around with pd (pure data) and own a po-33 k.o. that im not even motivated to unbox. i just 'yearn' for that perfect improv canvas that totally matches my own aesthetic sensibilities, and the thing is, before i can have that, i barely have any interest in picking up modules or messing with other softwares, just to explain myself.

theres like this whole studio i have for myself, in my head, and im just not that interested in trying to build anyone elses studio in reality. 'i know what im doing'.

i just came on here to mess with design.

peace ✌️

(edit)

just installed hexen, just to check it out, and it actually seems pretty cool, but i have enough trouble trying to navigate websites and type out messages on this android phone, and trying to operate a full modular synth from the same interface is just way too much total overwhelm for me, but thanks.

((peace ✌️))

EDITED Apr 9th, 08:54