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could use some help organising my rack,could someone take a try in placing my modules in a good flow?
-- Broken-Form

which one? you've got 4 public racks...

maybe start a new thread with a link (copy & paste url)!

could use some help organising my rack,could someone take a try in placing my modules in a good flow?

and now it works,now i just need to learn how the BSP Works:)

It appears the developer has lost interest and the firmware may never see another update or feature enhancement? Since it's open source he has no profit motive to maintain it.
-- mntbighker

if it's open source then anyone should be able to fork the firmware and maintain it/add features...

It appears the developer has lost interest and the firmware may never see another update or feature enhancement? Since it's open source he has no profit motive to maintain it.

found it,i missed first that you could scroll down:)

just tried messing with it,but cant seem to find where in the BSP software(midi control center)you set up the ppqn?

it's under device settings/sync: clock in/out settings - you can choose 1 step. 24ppq, 48ppq or 2ppq (korg) - you need to connect your BSP to your computer to access the device settings!

-- JimHowell1970

found it,i missed first that you could scroll down:)

just tried messing with it,but cant seem to find where in the BSP software(midi control center)you set up the ppqn?

it's under device settings/sync: clock in/out settings - you can choose 1 step. 24ppq, 48ppq or 2ppq (korg) - you need to connect your BSP to your computer to access the device settings!

Yes, like for a lot of their modules, it's a keeper!
Eng. below
Salut les loulous, Pizza de Bastl Instruments est l'un de mes générateurs de son préférés qui peut jouer dans beaucoup de style. Avant de publier le manuel en vidéo, voici quelques exemples de choses que nous pouvons faire avec l'oscillateur de Bastl Instruments. chapitres dans la description de la vidéo
Hey gals 'n guys,
Pizza of Bastl Instruments is one of my favorite sound generator which can play in a lot of style. Before to publish the video manual, here is a few example of things we can do with the oscillator from Bastl Instruments. Timetable inthe video description

thanks jim

i will probaly post more questions here soon:)
-- Broken-Form

NP
-- JimHowell1970

Hi again jim

just tried messing with it,but cant seem to find where in the BSP software(midi control center)you set up the ppqn?

Hi!
you can find info about jumpers position here:
https://doepfer.de/a100_man/A160_2_jumper.pdf
However the Doepfer site say this: so far the custom mode is not yet implemented and for future firmware versions a custom mode is planned that can be selected by means of two unused jumpers (probably inverted gate output mode or inverted trigger output mode)

-- Amenbreak

Thanks for the link, that's exactly why I have opened this thread.

I have tested the custom mode of my brand new clock divider using LED pin jacks and it looks to me they all light up and down as inverted triggers indeed, so I was wondering if someone else knew how to move the jumpers around to get something more useful out of that setting...

EDITED Jan 28th 2023, 14:18

Hi!
you can find info about jumpers position here:
https://doepfer.de/a100_man/A160_2_jumper.pdf
However the Doepfer site say this: so far the custom mode is not yet implemented and for future firmware versions a custom mode is planned that can be selected by means of two unused jumpers (probably inverted gate output mode or inverted trigger output mode)

When sampling an instrument for tonal music, use the 'cycle of fifths': F, C, G, D, A, E, B, etc. But, as explained above, this assumes the ability to multi-sample...
See this rather complete article on piano sampling: https://audient.com/tutorial/pianosample/

For the rest (e.g. atonal percussion, concrete or experimental music), there is no rule.
But, in a modular, filters, wavefolders, envelopes and vcas, will be very useful :))

Midi to Cv?
-- norde

I'm trying to keep it in the box if possible!

Midi to Cv?

Pico Seq is a fun little pitch sequencer
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/erica-synths-pico-seq

Mimetic Digitalis would pair great with Plaits
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-engineering-mimetic-digitalis-black

FX Aid is awesome for such a small case. Check if it will fit the depth of your case

thanks jim

i will probaly post more questions here soon:)
-- Broken-Form

NP

Hi all!

I have just realised my clock divider custom setting generates inverted triggers. Is there a way to move around the jumpers and get inverted gates out of the CST setting without affecting the other two settings instead?

Thank you in advance for any advice

@traxam
Yeah, don't get me wrong the LL8v1 is a great and very affordable trigger sequencer, its very playable, easy to edit. I was looking hard at other modules before I decided to get a Beatstep Pro, the new version of the LL8 looks great.

Cheers for having a listen ;-)

thanks jim

i will probaly post more questions here soon:)

awesome thanks.
whats the best way to sync my pams new workout with beatstep pro?(i dont have any expander for pams new workout)
-- Broken-Form

you don't need an expander for Pams

depends:

BSP as master - use one of the drum triggers and patch that into the clock in of Pams - but Pams works best with higher ppqn (pulses per quarter note) which may be inappropriate on the BSP so the other way round is probably better

Pams as master - use one of the channels of Pams to send clock to BSP -> clock in - decide on a ppqn - and set that up using the BSP control software and set the clock multiplier on Pams to match it - 16 or 24 ppqn is probably best - although lower may work perfectly - you may want to experiment a bit

awesome thanks.
whats the best way to sync my pams new workout with beatstep pro?(i dont have any expander for pams new workout)

@Stratx

For drums and percussions, the possibilities are endless because they depend closely on the musical genres. As the principle of these instruments is basically quite 'physical', it can indeed be a good idea to go for external controllers (as the Beatstep Pro), and even to complete with traditional drum machines. I personnaly use both.

Of course I have reserved some elements inside the modular itself, in relation with the its specific qualities and in order to create more complex drum parts...

So, on the trigger side, I currently use: Marbles, SIG, Varigate (which can be based on chance, a number of steps you determine, and all on several different channels), LB5 (logic module), A-151 (sequential switch), A-160-2; plus Nin (Zadar expander with manual trigs), Ears; and DFAM which has an extreme playability.

But there are also many others possibilities that are popular around pure euclidean sequencers.
As always, a question of taste, priorities and investment :)

Cool ,thanks wishbone....
I need to think a bit more, but I may just add VCA into my plan....

Was looking at a couple of your Jamuary videos (looks good btw) and it seems you have what I plan with the dedicated 3U drum rack... also I see you interacting with the Robaux in a way that I think I'm looking for...and in the patch 1 video the kick sound pretty thumping to me so maybe I just need to cover myself by including VCA...

@Stratx...Apologies for highjacking your thread!

Yo, send me a PM

I'm still a bit new to this...are the Beatstep triggers, longer, higher V or something that makes the difference?
Is it mostly noticeable for the Kick.... Last thing I want is to end up with a whimpy kick!
-- Traxam

I'm no expert, but Yes, something like that.

Yep just the kick for my gear, I've not noticed it on the ADDAC103 or Patching Panda Hatz.

I've literally just bought a Beatstep Pro for this after realising i want more control than the Robaux LL8, just gotta learn the Beatstep Pro now! Its way, way cheaper to buy an external sequencer and the triggers give a good Thwack on drum modules, the LL8 does not and your kicks may sound a bit whimpy unless you boost the triggers through a VCA.

Ah ok, thanks for that... I have a Beatstep Pro that I currently use for drums and it is great but was going to switch to have something in the rack & close to the drum modules and I was thinking the grid format easier to programme on the fly...but... if that's the case I may re-consider...

I'm still a bit new to this...are the Beatstep triggers, longer, higher V or something that makes the difference?
Is it mostly noticeable for the Kick.... Last thing I want is to end up with a whimpy kick!

Hi guys, I'm new to modular and this is my current set up. I am looking for suggestions as I want to know better ways of generating CV sequences. Currently I use the LS1 Lightstrip into the Bishops Miscellany to record cv from the lightstrip, but I would like to know other ways of creating sequences perhaps through Pamelas New Workout? I am having trouble sequencing both the Sample Drum and Plaits at the same time to get a decent groove going. I would also like to add effects after my voices, and I am not finding Clouds to be really that interesting, and somewhat hard to predict/control. I'm sure there are some glaring holes in my set up that others may see, so I would love to get some peoples suggestions/recommendations on how to improve this!

Thanks

Nice tunes there!

Excellent concept, and you form a real duo: we can feel a nice understanding for the benefit of both worlds.
The applications seem to be numerous (Jarre will be jealous, he will call you soon :)

About the setup, some modules could favour a cartoon spirit (I think of Morphagene, Data Bender), and controllers (like joysticks, or surfaces like LP1lightplane, Tetrapad), for you to test...

Nice work guys! / Beau travail les mecs !

I've literally just bought a Beatstep Pro for this after realising i want more control than the Robaux LL8, just gotta learn the Beatstep Pro now! Its way, way cheaper to buy an external sequencer and the triggers give a good Thwack on drum modules, the LL8 does not and your kicks may sound a bit whimpy unless you boost the triggers through a VCA.

My first draft for an Ambient Soundscape oriented eurorack. Feedback is appreciated as I am very new to modular!

A new CV generator/recorder unit from Neutral Labs.
I love this unit.
Very simple build, mostly surface mount pre-installed, a few things to solder.
Contains many waves arranged in pages, with two output channels, one on the main clock, the other on divisions from that clock. Each channel can be using different waves. Many any things you can use this for, I touch on a few in the demo section but there is so much more.
Very simple build, this is a great early module to build as you get started.

Build

I've been wanting to get into eurorack for a very long time. I own four semimodular synthesizers, a beatstep pro and sq1, and even bought a Behringer CP1 A months a go because i found it very cheap on eBay which I havent touched at all.

My goal:
I want this rack to be focused only one thing, and thats glitchy percusive/drum sounds. I'm not interested in creating a basic 'kick snare hat' sort of drum machine since I already have a Digitakt and RD9 for more conventional drum sounds. What I really want is to be able to explore sound design but in a rythmic way, both in terms of sequencing and sound modulation.

Influences:
I will list some of the artists that inspire me in order to give a clearer understanding of the sound I'm trying to achieve: Aphex Twin, Floating Points, Jean Jelinek, uZiq, Squarepusher, Venetian Snares, etc...

Context:
I already have a Neutron and DFAM, also I will be using my Beatstep pro as the main sequencer (which has a probability function and can kind of work as a basic 'generative' sequencer). I want to start with a 6U 104hp case in which I want to put both Neutron and DFAM and I'll just remoove them as I get more modules.

The rack I've planned:
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2155174.jpg

Questions:
- I want to bring effects in and out at random times. Would Pamelas New Workout combined with Twiigs allow me to send random clocked gates to the mix inputs of the effects I've put in the rack?
- One of the most important effects I wan to have is a beatrepeat which would allow me to modulate the lenght of the repeats triggered randomly at clocked intervals. Would Databender be able to do that? Are there any better alternatives?
- I have not included any VCAs, envelopes or utility modules, this is becuase the three voices I have in the rack already have built in VCAs and envelopes, plus the Neutron has two attenuators, slew limiter and a basic sample and hold. Am I missing something important here? This is the first time I build a eurorack synthesizer and I'm worried that I might not even know what I dont know.
- Is it absolutely necessary to have an output module? I've seen a lot of people on youtube mixing eurorack signals with outboard mixers and not getting a lot of noise. My idea is to mix all the voices with the STMX module, then send the output into Databender as a final effect and then from Databender straight into my Mackie CR-1604 mixer. Would I be ok doing that?

I know this is quite a long post, but like anyone else when starting with eurorack, I have a million questions haha, also I have watched all of Grant Boss's videos on youtube a million times, and pretty much I want to be able to do what he does but in a waaaaaaaay smaller case.

Thank you very much if you actually took the time to read it, and obviously any feedback is more than appreciated.

Check out this video Emily Hopkins and I made where we run her harp through our modular synths. I really love the patches, particularly the last one. I'd love some thoughts on the patches:
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EDITED Jan 26th 2023, 22:37

I've been looking at the Robaux sequencers for this purpose recently...
Planning on using probably the LL82 for only drums...

super fun !

1_ A Guitar into Beads is a fun idea. Beads has 'attenurandomizers' for randomizing the most creative aspects of the module so you can just sit back, jam, and get lost—I've played a guitar into Beads for hours in the dark.

2_ For Drums, have you seen the Percussion Interface from 4ms?
I love envelope followers! I think they are the most special, magical modules to have. Everyone, but kids especially, light up when they scrape or hit a surface or pluck a spring and hear some grand elaborate sound come out. It feels as though the sounds were generated by the surface touch 1:1. That's my favourite parlour trick.

3_ You're leaning heavy on the 'random' generative modules but as you're an acoustic musician also, I can't imagine you'd be amused by random for very long—like watching television with randomized channel changing—at some point the guitarist or drummer in you will kick in and you'll want the randomizing entertainment and the novelty to stop so you can develop a groove, or refine an idea to an expressive personal musical level. The "random abrupt percussive esque stuff" you like might not actually be random so much as unexpected, and that is the listeners perspective. Once in control of the modules, random, true randomness like chaotic arbitrariness can be either boring or anxiety inducing—you'll find yourself always twiddling knobs for a more 'refined', 'character', 'musical' sound.

4_ The good thing about the Intellijel 62 is that it is super popular. Put it in your search engine and image search all the other people with your exact case asking for advice and showing their setup. (Especially from r/modular and the Intellijel forum)

5_ 62HP is a great start. You could always buy a bigger case later and use the 62 for more portable duties. Modules like the Tetrapad and Planar are great to have as lap or close-at-hand controllers in a 62. This setup is a good explanation of what I mean when I say what sounds like random from the audiences perspective can actually be tightly controlled, hands-on performance modulation: (note: at 0:56 he set it to randomize only to quickly abandon it for the more controlled sound with the joystick and the sliders—he literally couldn't listen to more than 2 seconds of randomness before he turned it off. That's worth noting.)

6_ You can still buy C4RBN, just don't prolong buying it for very long. If you can't get a C4RBN there is the µVCF at 6HP and then Wasp, Ikarie, Ripples, etc at 8HP. A filter is one module that you will want to play hands-on. So that's where size is 'the bigger, the better' —Perhaps rethink having a Maths eat up 1/3 of your available rack space. You won't find many 62 cases with such a big utility module. (consider the Make Noise Function or Instruo Cnoc). But there's always more room in more racks. : )

EDITED Jan 26th 2023, 05:17

I’m a fan of the Basil knit rider as a trigger seq. I didn’t really like the 8+. I think I’m just more comfortable looking at a grid layout than the sliders.

That is a great video! That kinda sells me on the varigate 8+ and the voltage block. I’ve been on the fence about a brain of sorts for my system. Thanks!!

Agree with Jim. Well rounded and playable isn't going to happen in 62hp.
If I may ask, what is it that is drawing you to modular that you aren't getting in other formats? To get a well rounded eurorack, you will likely need to spend a considerable amount of money over a long period of time. You mention that you just want to try stuff out, which can be a lot of fun, but may be very frustrating creatively (and financially) if you you don't have much of a plan for your initial investment. If you must stick with 62hp to begin, I would recommend concentrating on a single one of your initial goals, either random abrupt percussive stuff OR nice melodic harmonious stuff.
Good luck and have fun.

I'm very happy with the Zadar.
-- Arrandan

In fact, I'm replacing the Zadar with the new envelope generator. Zadar is a fantastic module, but I'm only using it for envelopes, and most of the waveforms are unused, so I'm trying to simplify things a bit. I would also prefer to have knobs for each channel, instead of just sharing a set of knobs, so I can easily see and modify the attack and decay settings.

I guess I'm not a huge fan of menu diving, and the way I'm using Zadar is to set it up and forget about it, as I find it a bit inconvenient for quickly changing things on the fly. Lately I find myself using the "Make Noise Function" much more, so I want to try and add more envelope generators in that vein.

Other than that, the Zadar is a great module with small footprint, and I think is perfect for long evolving modulations.

I'm looking to create something "well-rounded (as everyone says)" and generative.

you probably won't really achieve that in this size rack

I tend to like random abrupt percussive esque stuff, but also nice melodic harmonious stuff. I also play guitar and drums which I'd love to throw into this, hence the line input.

neither of which are at line level... and will require further amplification - the 1/2 veils clone may cover this, but then you're a vca down... beads has some gain built in I believe but I've never used it

But I honestly have no idea what I'm actually going for, just have to try stuff out I suppose. Anyways, let me know if you have any comments/suggestions.

I'd try to spend quite a lot of time trying to work out 1 thing you want this rack to do before spending any more money and focus on that - or upgrade the case so that it is big enough to discover what you want/need by buying more modules and patching it

*I know C4RBN is sold out forever, I'd definitely like to know any alternative 4hp or less models that are just as good. Thanks!

modules smaller than 4hp crammed in small cases with other small modules = crap ergonomics = no fun to play

I would suggest going and reading a lot of other newbie rack posts and taking a look at my signature and contemplating the formula therein

actual link to rack - jpgs are crap!!!

Hey Richie.

Yeah I love Marbles a lot. Really nice versatile module :)

I'm fairly new to the modular world, and am looking to build my first little rack. I've already purchased Intellijel's 4u 62hp palette and Mutable Beads. There's also a used Plonk for good deal, but I'm not sure what modules on this rack I'd substitute out if I got it. I'm looking to create something "well-rounded (as everyone says)" and generative. I tend to like random abrupt percussive esque stuff, but also nice melodic harmonious stuff. I also play guitar and drums which I'd love to throw into this, hence the line input. But I honestly have no idea what I'm actually going for, just have to try stuff out I suppose. Anyways, let me know if you have any comments/suggestions. *I know C4RBN is sold out forever, I'd definitely like to know any alternative 4hp or less models that are just as good. Thanks!

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2151716.jpg

Love it.
Is Marbles any good?
Man...that Modcan quad LFO. Sweet!
Richie

EDITED Jan 25th 2023, 14:56

Some of them look very ADSR-like, though the module doesn't support sustain with a gate or something like that.
-- Arrandan

The sus/level encoder let you set the point on the shape to be held when a gate signal is send to the input trigger. (page 5 in the manual)

EDITED Jan 24th 2023, 23:04

I'm very happy with the Zadar. It's basically a list of digital envelopes that you can chose from. Some of them look very ADSR-like, though the module doesn't support sustain with a gate or something like that. Instead, you get a huge variety of non-ADSR shaped envelopes. You can use CV to change duration, voltage (= attenuation) and many other skewing parameters. The only thing I’m missing is the Nin expander, so I could have 2 cvs per channel. Anyway. Short summary: 4 super flexible channels in 10 hp. I love it!

Without VCA's but with 6 AD EG channels, and can act like LFO's, Slew limiters and AD EG
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-selam
-- ferranadsr

Looks good, and the price is more than affordable too, I will check it out, thanks.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/klavis-quadigy
-- toodee

A powerhouse indeed. I'm not sold on menu based modules and I would rather use a simple interface with no menu diving. I'll check it out anyway and see if it fits my needs, thanks for the suggestion.

Check out the Doepfer Dual Micro ADSR. 8 hp with 4 outputs and it's well priced
-- padmasan

Doepfer's "mini" modules are quite cool, I bought an A-138n mixer some time ago and I'm more than happy with it. It doesn't take much space, is well priced and works flawlessly. I'll definitively check this ADSR out, thanks.