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There's a few here - https://www.thonk.co.uk/product-category/hp-size/0hp/
And here - https://pushermanproductions.com/?s=workmate&post_type=product

But nothing Stereo.

Exactly like that. @modular01
And I guess I could use 2x Attenuators per Stereo Pair to adjust, but isn't there something called Panning Law https://samplecraze.com/tutorials/the-pan-law/ and the way Panning should work versus just attenuating a split Stereo signal.

From what I can see, there's not really a cost effective module out there to handle the panning.
Though if someone made a 4-6hp module with 3-4 Stereo Panning channels it would be pretty handy.

EDITED Apr 9th 2023, 08:36

Thanks Garfield, I'll shame some Dreamies next time.

I'm a regular viewer / listener :)

I've got a few mixers now, I've got CV-able Mono mixing that I can pan with voltage and mono-to-stereo panning mixers, and I've got Stereo mixers.
What I always want to do with stereo sources is to Pan the stereo slightly and it seems to me there are a bunch of No-hp modules around but what I want is a Zero HP Passive Stereo Panner to connect between a Stereo source and my main mixing.

I don't know if this is even possible.

Thoughts???

It was too early for cat modular, they chill out at the start of the mornings. Cheers

After watching the RedMeansRecording and then doing the walk-thru from MoltenMusicTech I had a go at creating a Krell Patch on the eurorack.
Not strictly self-playing as I'm shooting the Input of the Befaco VC ADSR a trigger from Mutable Instruments Marbles, Marbles is mainly used as a modulation source. The Gate-out of the Sustain stage on the Befaco Triggers the Sample & Hold and changes the Oscillator pitch. Lots of modulation from Ochd, Clep Diaz, Marbles & the 2hp RND.

You can ignore all the wires, I have 2 patches going on here, and I ease in a patch built around the Error Instruments Indian Resonator about half way through, the Indian Resonator works great when you combine it with a Sine wave and stick it through a Wavefolder so there are 2 parts that come from that.

hey, good stuff, I'm enjoying the samples in there.

Haha

I find mine really useful, great for little Acid lines when you get the envelop-out so you can tweak the filter along with adding an Accent pattern, works from triggers or CV as a standard VCA too.

Not quite Javelin, but check Patching Panda's Punch.

Don't do it! it took me a year or more to realise that its more sensible (Cheaper and more feature-packed) to use an external sequencer so I bought a second hand Beatstep Pro.
Its an easy way to add structure and repetition to my mostly generative rack and is so much easier than programming drums on my Robaux LL8, though they are cracking little drum sequencers.

Open a Commenting system on people's votes so manufacturers can have a say or question a voter's stance.

Don't btw. We deal with a whole host of numpties on a similar system for beers https://untappd.com/WishboneBrewery

Subscribed ;-)

Understood.

But Yeah, I'm not sure that helps or maybe it means I'm actually calibrated alright.
Testing the Beatstep Pro on a regular Oscillator gives me the whole keyboard range without problems.

I've just tried a re-calibrate with the Frequency knob set to 12 o'clock and its made no difference, the notes are all the same from G upwards though going down the octaves is totally fine.

EDITED Mar 5th 2023, 13:57

I soldered all the bits on a kit from Pusherman https://pushermanproductions.com/product/full-kit-mutated-rings-w-black-aluminium-antumbra-panel-smd-pre-soldered-pcb/ last weekend, followed the calibration procedure and all looked to calibrate ok.
But I notice when playing notes on the Beatstep Pro that the upper keyboard ranges seem to all be the same note passed a certain point which makes me wonder if the Pot positions should be centered or something versus all set at zero prior to calibration.

Any thoughts??

Thanks

There we go then, so its the BD-Z's fault then ;-)

Interestingly I get one heck of a good Kick out of the Befaco ADSR (all sliders down)
Whereas the ALM PipSlope won't even fire a kick off!
The WMD/SSF ADSRVCA will trigger a kick in one mode with the Decay turned up only.

@zuggamasta

Having just soldered up a kit, I can confirm that the https://www.modulargrid.net/e/addac-system-addac217 does not improve the triggers from the DOT or the LL8 for triggering a Kick drum. What I do know is the the Arturia Beatstep Pro gives good triggers and makes the Kick drums nice and punchy.

Anyone need a Addac217? Pretty annoying that I just spent half an hour shuffling sliding nuts to get it into my percussion case!

I'm with you on this one. I think the patchwork aesthetic suits the modular philosophy

-- padmasan

Nicely put.

I'm going to order a Matt Black Vinyl wrap for my Toilet!

Yeah, you guys are weird hahaha
I mean, my own cases are slowly turning quite black but its not by choice.

This seems strange to me, Why do people have an obsession with Black panels?
I'm enjoying the eclectic and wish those Red ADDAC modules were still a common thing, I don't want everything to be black, it can't just be me can it?

Had a listen last night, really nice work.

All on the market place?I shouldn't even be asking, I'm spent up right now!

Really? Where?
Can't find one anywhere when I look, that and a Squid Sample would be lovely but they seem very scarce!

@traxam
Yeah, don't get me wrong the LL8v1 is a great and very affordable trigger sequencer, its very playable, easy to edit. I was looking hard at other modules before I decided to get a Beatstep Pro, the new version of the LL8 looks great.

Cheers for having a listen ;-)

I'm still a bit new to this...are the Beatstep triggers, longer, higher V or something that makes the difference?
Is it mostly noticeable for the Kick.... Last thing I want is to end up with a whimpy kick!
-- Traxam

I'm no expert, but Yes, something like that.

Yep just the kick for my gear, I've not noticed it on the ADDAC103 or Patching Panda Hatz.

Nice tunes there!

I've literally just bought a Beatstep Pro for this after realising i want more control than the Robaux LL8, just gotta learn the Beatstep Pro now! Its way, way cheaper to buy an external sequencer and the triggers give a good Thwack on drum modules, the LL8 does not and your kicks may sound a bit whimpy unless you boost the triggers through a VCA.

Two questions:
- Do you remember how you proceeded with those little percussions with some delay (and triggered by Pam, I guess...). The ones that appear around 5:10. They form beautiful clouds of galaxies :)
- How is your black cat? (I have a cousin of his here, on the other side of the channel, in the Somme).

Thanks in advance for your answers, and congratulations for your publications !

-- Sweelinck

Making me think now!! Befaco Burst is randomly triggering either a 2HP Turing machine or a Arp which is also playing the 2HP Bell, aka the twinkly sh!t
The She Cat/s are good thanks.

Cheers for listening :)

You can always set little goals:

Only use Noise: filter it, sweep it, gate it, lower the volume through a VCA and something like a ADDAC103 and you get some lovely sweep-able crackle, with an envelope follower after that you can run your whole system clicking from noise crackle. You can combine Noise with low VCO and LFO like @Anthuriumsounds on Youtube does and there is a walk through of how they do it.

Always Unpatch everything: I'm bad at not doing this but it helps make you try different things, I was getting stuck leaving all my percussion section patched up.

Try some Feedback loops: You can use a simple Mixer or Attenuator to limit and control the feedback.

Single VCO: try splitting different waveforms off into different effects (Everything will be in tune), something like the MakeNoise STO is great for this with its S-Gate you can easily make a good piece from just the STO.

Use a Pitch sequence to control a filter rather than a VCO.

Use random snippets of gated audio as percussion.

Use different length Euclidean patterns to liven-up your percussion so they evolve over a longer timeframe.

Add a gate sequence AFTER your effects or add it both before and after the effects.

Thats a few things I've played with, hope it gives you some ideas or something you haven't thought of.

EDITED Jan 22nd 2023, 11:29

1. I'd consider scrapping both Ochd and Clep Diaz
   -- Shakespeare

Clep's are good, I'd be almost tempted to buy a second one even if i don't understand binary or have the time to learn it.

I agree with Jim, I have a bunch of 2hp modules and to be usable you need at least 1hp space between them, I also find that some 2hp modules can get quite warm so I leave the 1hp gaps open for ventilation.

If its just 1 note then go for middle C, though it could sound a bit rough as you go up and down the full scale.
If you have the option of doing this in Software first you could experiment and see how that 1 note works up and down the keyboard.

Ideally if you want full range I seem to recall you should have at least 1 sampled note per octave, though I'm pretty sure the 2hp won't accept multi-samples. So if you keep your playing range within 8 notes each side of middle C you'll be about OK.

I once sampled each note of a Roland MC-202, editing each for sustain loops, and put them into a Reason software sampler, that was very boring workflow!

EDITED Jan 6th 2023, 17:30

Having a new module purchase in mind is a great thing but it can definitely distract from what you, I, really need.
I need a Arturia Beatstep Pro for some out-of-case sequencing, simply because the same capability in-rack would cost a fortune and not be as good as external sequencer.

Instead of thinking straight, I have a module in mind but then also all the modules that would benefit that module in a line in front of it.
Proper a Case of 'Up here for dancing, Down there for thinking'

Basically what I was confused at was, Why are my Kicks rather quiet. Triggers are the reason.

Hiya...
The VCA does the trick putting the triggers through Veils works best with the exponential knob set all the way left.
I've just tried the Befaco Burst and all its triggers are big and fat :) makes nice punchy drums.
I'll have a read up on that ADDAC module.

Thanks

EDITED Dec 31st 2022, 17:26

Has anyone got any tips on making drum triggers all the same.

I note that triggers from different modules will make for either less of more punchy percussion.

For instance on my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/patching-panda-bd-z the manual trigger button give a big whack of a Kick as does the gate button from my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/transient-modules-7j and Mutable's Marbles but my DNIpro DOT / Robaux LL8 and Pam's New Workout all seem to make a much more subtle trigger.
also give a good fulsome trigger pulse too.

Feels like I need a module to make all Trigger pulses alike when really all these modules should be producing the same strength of Trigger.

Its probably best skimmed through haha

I've not done this for a while, had to update OBS and the iphone drivers and reinstate the Youtube stream key... hopefully this is all working OK?
I'm going to slowly pull all the patch leads!

I'd just say that you'd be surprised how far you can get with just one oscillator or sound source, split the audio off 2-3 ways into different effects or through a Wavefolder etc. I'd suggest any VCO with multiple outs or the MakeNoise STO with its S-Gate will practically let you do a melody line with a baseline all out of the same module.
Options for utilities would be MI's Links & Kinks, the latter has a noise source in the S&H section.

Yes.

No.

Yes & No.

Personally I think you might be OK with Veils and those 2 LPG's.

Cool.

Thanks guys, I didn't want to go buying Plaits then doing the firmware and finding I've nothing to Calibrate it with.

So when you do a firmware update do you have to re-calibrate?

Great piece, now I'm going to play with random out of focus flashing LEDs. Shame I know nothing about video editing!

You have lots of Trigger, gate and modulation control there.

For your next 84hp, Ya'no before you up-scale to 104hp and 2 rows ;-)

Some good old fashioned VCA's or simple passive attenuators would be good, add a filter module that will react to Pinging as pings and sweeps are good. VCA-wise you could grab something like a https://www.modulargrid.net/e/future-sound-systems-p-o-c-a-vac1 as it's passive so draws no power and will give you CV-able VCA's.

Grab an Error Instruments Indian Resonator, its got a whole swathe of ambient clicky warbling goodness in it, a great design element.

Make Noise Mimeophon is lots of fun, hopefully one of my next purchases will be a Morphagene, though also tempted by the 2HP Loop.

I thought 84hp would be all I ever needed hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa Enjoy the ride.