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Combined the two into one module, total HP from 13 up to 14 but reduced the depth from 45mm to 33mm, I'm guessing that's where/why the additional power draw manifested. I'm a little annoyed at my Batumi+Poti combo because the 3HP expander could easily be 2hp and so you end up with an odd-HP module to find a place for, but they aren't leaving my rack anytime soon. This looks like a skiff-friendlier alternative if you really love Batumi, but I'd probably reach for an Ochd (4HP, 32mm) for skiff duties at twice the price for twice the outputs in a third of the space.

Efficiency on the wallet is compelling but I got mine, I'm down the hole, I don't need cheap modules to tempt or help me to get up and running. However the suite of cheap euro clones that don't fit into one of the big 3 systems is starting to look like a great gateway drug to the big boy modular companies where innovation happens. Brains, Abacus, 4LFO, 4Play, Mix, and Space FX total a little over $600. Add a filter like their 121 Dual VCF and you have substantial power under your fingers for USD$724. That level of buy-in could inspire a lot more artists to give modular a shot, anecdotally I sure wouldn't have plopped down $2000 for a Moog if not for the B2600, and here I am balls-deep in even more expensive synths because of that Gray Meanie.

I don't think this counts as IP theft either unless Behringer decompiled XAOC's code which wouldn't be necessary for something of this complexity. This is a quad LFO module, pretty far removed from some unique and magical DSP-based products, and just knowing the basic functionality of Batumi you could replicate it with some textbooks and time. What is the element of Batumi that makes this an infringement - what is their intellectual property at risk here? How many VCOs or EGs are functionally identical with a different coat of paint? It's sad how quickly I see people run to "the law" in an effort to enforce their personal moral or ethical perspective when it's one German in particular. This is no counterfeit product wrt trademark theft: different looks, name, decorative symbols, logo. No one is confusing this for the XAOC original by mistake; the Four LFO is derivative but not counterfeit, or is it time to re-litigate the "your guitar body shape looks like my guitar body shape" issue? It seems like Behringer is operating within the bounds of "the law" that you want to use as a cudgel to beat them with, shucks, maybe grievances at this company are misdirected. If you find it morally repugnant then please lobby for the law to change rather than bleat onto the internet, it's a very sad "man shakes fist at cloud" situation to observe. Just FYI - anyone can report IP theft to the appropriate agencies and you don't need to be the owner of said IP to do so, just seeing it occur is enough. Go for it and post the results please, I'm not being facetious, we wanna know the outcome!

I'd much rather get some unique modules out of them and at this point I wonder if they're aping "tried and true" products to test the waters to see whether modular development is worth the full-time investment after the Roland100/Model 55/ARP2500 stuff. Behringer seems to have started slow and built up steam once the sales rolled in with their desktop/keyboard synth offerings, makes me wonder, but then again we're seeing more clones rather than releases in the same vein as DeepMind in that arena (and to be fair, originals will take longer than eyeing a template). This current batch could also be products that largely function for the company as advertisements for open positions, I think they've been seeking devs and designers for awhile now. It's not like euro fever is slowing down (though a depression may force it) so imo it's time to shit or get off the pot. Rehashes bore the fuck out of me from any company. Behringer's unique weapon as a company is extreme efficiency of margins, I'm seriously waiting for the "look at everything we could afford to slap together" Frankenstein's Monster that's too ugly, strange, and crazy to resist. Popular Module #69 doesn't tingle the peepee much to someone already entrenched.

I still see it listed here: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-2600-vco

possibly vapourware...
-- JimHowell1970

No vapourware - available for immediate shipping - at least in the EU, for example at https://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Behringer-2600-VCO/art-SYN0007952-000

I could send them to you even if they are. 120 MB zip file. Got them the same way.
They can be played in a standard TipTop One but seem to be somehow protected so you can't play them anywhere else at least i have not found out how.
For that reason they have not been of much use to me, hoped i could load them into some sample drum machine or DAW.
-- znort101

I bought my TG One here on MG four years ago and it's killing me that it came with only one card.
I've looked on reddit to see if anyone has one has posted a link and gave up for a couple years until tonight.
Mind if I PM?

Additional gear:
- TR-6s > Strymon Deco
- CV controlled cassette player https://reverb.com/item/68324012-variable-speed-modified-cassette-walkman-selectable-photocell-knob-control-cv-input
- ^ goes into a RC-505 which goes into MV
- Soda water for hydration

I recently bought a Batumi but will definitely get one of those, maybe two, could never afford that at 360 instead of 99
Also never was interested in Maths but will probably give it a try at this price. Also own a couple of expensive Make Noise modules.

EDITED May 17th 2023, 20:29

Also note: the original Batumi takes +45mA from +12V and only 15mA from -12V. This ripoff takes more than twice of that.

should be named in this way: "FOUL LFO"....

HGsynth thanks for the reply. This already helps a lot. Worth of mentioning is that i'm using a beatstep pro as wel to clock everything and as a sequencer. I was thinking about Pamela's new workout, or a extra vca from intelijel. What kind of multi-fuction tool do i have to think of?

My pleasure. Putting together a system without having tried all the modules is tough, particularly if you're new to this. Glad to help.

Ok, BSP is a fine choice. I love both my Pam's (I have "New Workout," haven't tried the "Pro") and my Intellijel quad VCA; both massively changed how I used my system. Also, the Pam's brings us back to utilities, because you should consider what you want to do with the clock from Pam's. How will you mult the boring regular pulses from one output so you can make use of Pam's more interesting features in the others, like euclidean rhythms, logic, quantization, or smooth random? Do you want to be able to multiply or divide the clock to send different speeds of the signal around your system? Do you want to use the gates as envelopes?
Clock dividers or multipliers (e.g, 4ms QCD), buffered mults (e.g., Joranalogue Link2), VCAs (so many different ones), attenuators/attenuverters/inverters (e.g., Happy Nerding 3xMIA, Frap 321, etc.), and slew (e.g., Joranalogue Contour 1, Doepfer A-171, etc.) all seem to make more sense when you think about it that way.

Other utilities, like window comparators, logic, precision adders, S/H or T/H, gate-trigger converters, etc. all are harder to conceptualize until you need one while patching. For example, what if I wanted to pick gates off of two related LFOs whenever their voltages reach a certain range? Or I want to make a step sequence from a complex LFO or smooth random voltages? Or what if one of my modules is not reacting properly to a gate because it only like triggers or the voltage is not high enough? All situations I've come across, leading to getting the utilities above.

For a multi-tool, I think Ornament and Crime is a complete game-changer. It's menu-diving is only 2 steps deep, and it has so many tools on it (personally, I prefer the Hemispheres option). Play around with that for a while and you'll get to know what utilities you need. People also love the Disting EX and MK4, but I haven't tried those personally. The EX is on my to get list, though. I recommend watching some videos about the different utilities to figure them out. There are a lot of good ones: Divkid, loopop, mylarmelodies, red means recordings, etc... so many great folks in the community explaining how modules work and giving patching ideas. I always watch a ton of those before making a purchase.

Good luck!

Forgetting utilities, modulation sources, etc. is a very common mistake at the beginning. When we think about our dream house, we are mainly focused on the living room, the bedrooms, the kitchen, the bathroom... Corridors, doors, staircases and closets are less of a dream.

@Sweelinck, I love this analogy. Definitely using it in the future. Thanks!

EDITED May 17th 2023, 13:19

Forgetting utilities, modulation sources, etc. is a very common mistake at the beginning. When we think about our dream house, we are mainly focused on the living room, the bedrooms, the kitchen, the bathroom... Corridors, doors, staircases and closets are less of a dream.

I can only recommend here modules that I use and appreciate:
Buff Mult (buffered multiple), A-180-2 (passive multiple), Sinc Defero (buffered quad attenuator), A-160-2 (clock/trigger divider), A-151 (sequential switch), CalTrans (calibrator and transposer), Booster Stage (amplifier to eurorack systems), Mutes (multi channel mute), Disting mk4 (multifunction module), Listen IO (input/output interface)...

HGsynth thanks for the reply. This already helps a lot. Worth of mentioning is that i'm using a beatstep pro as wel to clock everything and as a sequencer.
I was thinking about Pamela's new workout, or a extra vca from intelijel.

What kind of multi-fuction tool do i have to think of?

i'm not using a computer or a DaW. Just using the sum out of my linx mixer into a external mixer.

Thanks a lot for all the reply's. Help's a lot to make all these difficult choises :-)

Hi! Thank you very much for your kind words!
Yes, the guitar is all pre-recorded and comes from Bitbox.
In my band I play synthesizers and my partner plays guitar. He often sends me his parts, and I start to compose a track.

But it's only $99?!

j/k

Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.

Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.
-- dohma

Batumi is absolutely NOT open source. This is intellectual property theft.
-- Sedalus

That’s what I thought. Can't believe these clowns.

Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.

Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.
-- dohma

Batumi is absolutely NOT open source. This is intellectual property theft.

Two thoughts.

1) You have a lot of nice modules here, and I wouldn't necessarily drop anything that you already have. But I would say that you're missing the architecture necessary to actually use a lot of the modules: utilities. You should be thinking about how to actually get signals to the modules and how you'll morph the signals along the way. For example, you have Batumi for LFOs. Awesome choice, but how are you gonna tame the signal without wasting Maths? Maybe an attenuator (or better yet, attenuverter) or two would help. Or, of course, you could have more VCAs. A sample and hold or track and hold might be worth considering for turning those random voltages into step sequences. A quantizer would be cool, too. What if you want to route a signal to multiple locations? Buffered mults will allow that without any drop in voltage. I particularly like the Doepfer Switched Multiples and Sequential switch for these purposes. There are many utilities that will allow you to mangle, tame, move, or manipulate the signal; don't forget about them! Maybe check out a multi-function tool or VCV rack to get a sense of which utilities you'll need.

2) How are you connecting to the outside world? Are you working with a computer or DAW, or just the standalone modular synth?

Best of luck!

Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.

Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.

what do you think i need more?

Scumbag stuff.

Support XAOC. Ignore Behringer.
If you can't, buy used.

Hi all,

As a fun challenge, I wanted to see if I could build a semi-generative system in small rack. So, using a Rackbrute 6U and modules I already own, I present the results. I explain my thinking below. But what about you? What's the tightest/most complete instrument you could build in a Rackbrute using only modules you already own? Any style, but please explain your rack.

So, here's my thinking:
Row 1: power, clocking, routing/mults, uO_C, voices, envelopes, VCAs
Row 2: modulators, gates, s/h, routing, triggers, VCA, effects, and end of chain processing.

Pam's runs the show with the master clock, with some utilitarian architecture afterwards to get the signals around. My main modulators are Batumi and Ochd, but there are other LFOs and modulators around, as well. Random gates, triggers, and sequences can come from several sources: uO_C, Pam's, or a combo of utilities. These get quantized by uO_C, which then feeds Plaits and Rings. Zadar helps shape it all alongside Veils. Then, the signals make their way to the end of the chain with some effects and sound shaping along the way. Finally, to cheat, there is the ES-9, making the exercise kind of irrelevant, but fun nonetheless.

So, let's see your racks.

EDITED May 16th 2023, 19:53

So - looks like Behringer duplicated the Xaoc Batuni and added the functions switches from the Xaoc Poti expander.

I think class 10 sd cards are not supported. I've tried with two separate ones. The same files work on class 4...
Anyone noticed the same issue? Or I am doing something wrong?
-- MaxeMitch

Actually, it doesn't seem to depend on class. but some cards I just can't seem to get to be recognised. I tried reformatting them in every possible way. Does anyone know another trick, or an idea what the issue could be?

Predatory company ripping off small businesses without adding any value. If you care about the euro community avoid this.
-- DonKartofflo

I certainly do not care about the "community" WRT consumers. Bunch of self-righteous, narcissistic whiners for the most part.

But why would I buy this when I've already got a Maths, complete with 5-6 failing, glitchy trimmers that render mine almost unusable without paying for replacements? (A fancy rubberized knob on a chintzy, wobbly trimmer is still just that, folks. And that's all MN uses IME).

EDITED May 16th 2023, 16:25

is there an interest in having a subtab for standard factory built and/or diy cases? i do, eurorack at the least;
with factory built i mean the likes of the pods, palettes, mantis, befaco's, etc. and also the known case builders à la case from lake, too many cases, Damaru, etc. i think there could be a second hand market for these items as well

According to the manual the output gate level for the SQ-64 can be set to 5v or 10v, so if it's currently at 5v I would give 10v a try. Also if you haven't already confirmed that your SD808 can be triggered by some other source I would do that just to make sure it's working.

yes, but can it run DOOM?

Another lovely track! I'm glad I subscribed to this thread. :-) Is the guitar all pre-recorded and coming from the Bitbox? Cheers!

Hi,

It's not triggered by the gate output of the sq64 in the gate in of the tiptop module.

Thanks

possibly vapourware...

Earlier this module (Behringer 2600-VCO) was on this site, but now I cant find. What happened? Any suggestion? Thanks!

New video of my space ambient composition for eurorack modular synthesizer and electric guitar.
This sketch became the basis of the track from the new album of my band: https://gamardahfungus.bandcamp.com

No sequences. Xaoc Zadar and Mutable Peaks modulating VCA’s, Plaits and Beads in vco mode.
1010Music Bitbox plays a previously recorded guitar part.
Better to listen with headphones. More explanations below the video on YouTube.
Have a nice listen!

A very unique addition to the filter arsenal.

Nothing but awesome so far, 30 minutes in.

I think what Sweelinck is trying to say is that the majority of users on here use English as the language of communication... even if it's not their 1st language... it's the most used language in the world once you add in 2nd/3rd/4th/etc language speakers...

if you want others to help or discuss things with you then English is the language to use... even if it is just google translated... and pasted after your original Spanish - although I would go for English 1st (as that's what shows up in the topics list)

don't expect any replies in Spanish, but it's not being disrespectful... it's just trying to be more useful to more people...

remember the old Mutable forums... Emilie specifically stated "use English" - even though she was French - why? for this very reason!

if you don't want help or discussion about your racks, then it's easy enough to keep your racks private...

I am French. I have a deep love for French culture and language.
But I try to translate my posts into English as a courtesy to others.
-- Sweelinck

This user has been using public forums as his personal comment section for about a year, I don't think courtesy or even just interest to contribute to a community has ever been part of that user's strategy on this website and the absence of reactions from other users until now certainly didn't help in teaching them what's what...

EDITED May 15th 2023, 16:38

I probably wouldn't like to do live mixing with those sliders as I do with the 531, but have often though I'd like a second 531. This could be a nice alternative to use as a submixer for the price.

Have you checked out Error Instruments? I've got his Tele Blender (red version) and I'm still trying to figure out what it is supposed to be precisely.

A 4 LFO module from NOH Modular. Actually 8, since each LFO set outputs a triangle and a square wave (why no sine?) at the same time. Also, you can mix two LFOs together, creating interesting waveforms, and their’s a DAC to sum out on/off signals based on the edge state of the 4 LFOs.

Simple build, all SMD already installed. Would be a good first build.

Build

Ethics? It's in the first place a legal discussion.

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I am French. I have a deep love for French culture and language.
But I try to translate my posts into English as a courtesy to others.
-- Sweelinck
Hi, it's Spanish, but well, courtesy also applies to Spanish people...hehe

I am French. I have a deep love for French culture and language.
But I try to translate my posts into English as a courtesy to others.

Copied from YT description
I recently got @PnPModular to build me a Non-Linearcircuits @cirtcele Sloths, so I have this modulating the @paultasbeeb Indian Resonator. The Crackly noise is coming via noise fed to a VCA to lower the aplitude to the point where it turns into crackle, this crackle is fed into the @addacsystem6002 VCT-Networks 104 (I own 2x T-networks, the other non-CV is on more percussion duties), everything goes into the @AISynthesis Matrix Mixer before heading into either Monsoon Clouds (Reverb) or MakeNoise Mimeophon subtly tweaked by Sloths too.
There is a little bit of Sample action from the Radio Music Installed Prok Drum module too.

transferxl tends to work well for me

la dfam iría por fuera de la case, en su propia case

el resto falta por organizarlo

uno de los mixer doepfer, podría ser sustituido por pico mix (y así no lo he de sacar de la case tekno, para ponerlo en la case laberinttto)

Los 55 hp que sobran arriba a la derecha, van destinados (muy justitos) para kinematic y zoom ms70, que irían dentro de la case.

KINEMATIC (30 hp de lado) iría dentro de la case
la circuit envía uno de sus canales, y coseguimos punch en el bombo

quizas ZOOM MS70 (24 hp, con unos cables acodados)
dentro de la case
un patch: "noise gate"

LA VOZ: micro --> pico input1 --> zoom --> mixer doepfer

FILTRO: la salida fx de mixer doepfer va para aquí. Pasamos DX y SH. Sale directamente para circuit

DFAM: con bajo volumen (mediante no subir mucho los volumenes de los steps) sale para fx aid --> doepfer mixer --> salida clean

MALEKKO:
- lfo para dfam (moviendo osc1 pitch)
-lfo para filtro
-trig para dfam
-trig ??

MIXER DOEPFER:
-voz (que sale clean)
-dfam (que sale clean)
-SH (que sale mezclada clean + fx (filtro))
-DX (que sale mezclada clean + fx (filtro))
Salida clean --> circuit
Salida fx (filtro) --> pico input2 --> filtro --> circuit (para un poco de reverb)

SH: en la case

DX: fuera de la case

CIRCUIT:
sus percs: bombo, caja, plato y 2 opciones en directo: a) semicorcheas b) sonidos radio
(en directo voy cambiando el compas de esta pista)

EDITED May 14th 2023, 16:24

Yes it worked for me. Not sure how i could send it to you, theres probably lots of upload spaces, i currently am not up to date about that. You could pm me if you have an idea how i could send it.

EDITED May 14th 2023, 10:25

Wow... Nice headphones. Planar tech is neat stuff. May have to find a vendor locally just to give them a listen. Big thanks everyone!

If I understand what you mean by 'opinionated design', Data Bender seems to fit. It is a module that can be very soft or very hard, but its opinions are always very personal :)

I could send them to you even if they are. 120 MB zip file. Got them the same way.
They can be played in a standard TipTop One but seem to be somehow protected so you can't play them anywhere else at least i have not found out how.
For that reason they have not been of much use to me, hoped i could load them into some sample drum machine or DAW.
-- znort101
.

Hey. Thanks for your answer. I would appreciate it, really. And yes what you mentioned is kind of sad. Must be a similar scheme that protects samples from Ableton packs to be used anywhere else
But has it actually been tested that they work with the standard ONE from Tiptop?
A look into the ONE manual which features a section about the TG edition.

TG ONE features a custom firmware designed to work closely with the sounds on the two
included cards. Tiptop Audio worked with Chris Carter to create options that enhance the
Throbbing Gristle aesthetic.

Thanks again. S.

EDITED May 14th 2023, 09:11