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Would be nice to be able to duplicate a module when planning a rack. Maybe a button or so on the top left like the others.

totally agree

Hi Folks,

I dont understand. I think this is an important information site about modular synth (not only). Why do you need to write things and thereby "misinform" others? I understand, that you have an opinion behind this, but it belongs more on the forum. I dont uderstand this behaviour.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-abuttacus
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-foul-play

Of course I have nothing to do with Behringer, they don't pay me anything (although they would!) so it just bothers my precise mind. If I offend Make Noise, should I also rewrite the description of their modules? I don't think this is a solution.

I don't want to offend anyone, I just want this site to continue to be what it was originally intended to be. A useful help for those who, e.g. modular synths are his hobby.

thanks mate!!!

I definitely have more thanks to give than to receive, didn't think I could be so inspired to experiment with my crossfader (Befaco Morphader) by a 3 minute video on a 1U module, but here I am, a happy viewer !

A big big THANK YOU, it really is motivating, as most of the social media has more or less make it difficult fpr my content to pop-up ! Thank you a lot :)

Just wanted to say thanks for the videos you produce (not just this one), I know I'm far from being the only community member who appreciates the work you put in your content - merci merci !

A few example of use of the new 1U utility module of Modulaire Maritime :

@MCGM Very clear description and extremely interesting comparison!
@HGsynth Thanks for this hijacking. But after such an answer, yes my friend, we unfortunately need both :))

I use the Ensemble Oscillator mostly to get a instant evolving drone going and combine it with more sound elements.
I use the SWN mostly to start a complex sequence as a main leading sound theme >

Thanks for the in depth reply! Unfortunately, it looks like the only real answer is to get both, of course! But it seems like the EO might be a better team player in a smaller rack and more immediately impactful. That SWN seems like a dream, though. Maybe someday. Thanks again!

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 22:01

Perhaps they only use it as an office tool, like Word or Excel.
-- ferranadsr

That's exactly how I use the site. I make everything private by default, no different than my grocery list or my budget plans. But if I want to ask questions or collaborate about a rack? Of course then I'll make it public.

Not to hijack the thread, but curious if you had a favorite between the two? Both have peaked my interest, but I've not had the chance to try either.

-- HGsynth

I think, you can archieve similar results with both, for ambient drones, melodies and chords.
I love both.

In short:
If I want do dig deep and focus on one module (maybe for hours) in the patch - I take the SWN.
If I want instant chills - I take the EO

I think the sound of EO is very special and it sounds always amazing no matter how I twist the knobs.
I love the character of bright and spread sounds on the EO.
For my opinion the EO is more fast forward for instant good results. I like that it is based on sinus waves and spreads into 16 voices. You can do very ethereal and bright sounds and even dark twisted sounds with it - very quick.

The Spherical Wavetable Navigator is a very deep and complex module. It has a longer learning curve - and it is more a closed system to run on itself. You can spend hours just tweaking it and discovering amazing sounds without any other module involved in your patch. It has 6 independent voices, based on wavetables that can be morphed with 3 dimensions.
The sound is also amazing and the possibilities are endless.

I think the SWN is sometimes a bit hard to tame, if you dont know excactly what you are doing.

Both have quantization and chord spreads.

I use the Ensemble Oscillator mostly to get a instant evolving drone going and combine it with more sound elements.
I use the SWN mostly to start a complex sequence as a main leading sound theme

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 20:23

Yeah I mean I guess it depends on what modules you have, but IMO powering 185 HP with one uZeus isn't very realistic. I'm not an expert on power and I'm sure others would have recommended a more robust power solution from the beginning, but given that you already have the uZeus, I think a 4MS Row Power 35 would work fine for the remainder of the rack. And yes they can be daisy chained to run off the same power brick, but not to my knowledge with the uZeus. You could go with a second uZeus instead I guess and save money, but my thinking is it would be better to give yourself some elbow room in terms of the -12V rail so that you don't have to worry about running out of power.

Not having everything running off the same power supply can be useful sometimes, for example, if you have a module that's sensitive to picking up interference from other modules, then having the ability to separate them and run them off of different supplies can be handy. I have a pretty large system which includes several uZeus modules, 4MS Pods, and a Row Power 45 in addition to some Dopefer cases, and it's worked out ok for me.

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 17:28

Thanks for your reply! I removed the jumper and one module with 50ma on the -12 bus and now all 3 leds are on. I will monitor the temperature while playing a few minutes... But Are there any better solutions on upgrading mA on the -12v bus than just adding a new set of PSU? I once saw a brand which allows daisy chaining two psu modules. I think it was by 4ms... Its a bit annoying because I thought buying the Boost PSU by Tip top audio would be enough to power the whole row (which is indead very long because it sits on top of 2 other racks)

I would like to be able to search between a minimum and maximum HP width.
-- hjorten

can't you just search by max width and then order by hp and stop looking when you get to the minimum you want?
-- JimHowell1970

Hadn't considered that, it works for now ;).

I would like to be able to search between a minimum and maximum HP width.
-- hjorten

can't you just search by max width and then order by hp and stop looking when you get to the minimum you want?

I applaud you for making a 12 year old meme into a reality.

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 12:33

• 4ms Ensemble Oscillator
  and / or
• 4ms wavetable navigator

I love them for ambient - they are fantastic
For drones, chords, timbres all the chilling fun

-- MCGM

Not to hijack the thread, but curious if you had a favorite between the two? Both have peaked my interest, but I've not had the chance to try either.

I didn´t see first that you already have some modules.

So I would do maybe something like this with it:

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2260218.jpg

You can also swap the firmware of basil to pizza, and you have a fm synth with waveshaping and stuff.

What do you think of this?

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2260141.jpg
(I didnt succeed to import the picture straight into here, without link)

4ms wavetable navigator: Ambient main voice for melodies, drones, chords, timbres - own sequencer, envelopes, or lfos
4ms Ensemble Oscillator: 2. voice for drones, chords, texture, timbres
Plonk: for random percussion and physical modeling
Noise Pleththora + Percall: for ambient noises and rhytmical noise patterns
mini plaits: for additional stuff like drums, perc or synthlines
Ikarie: main stereo filter with vca
Basil: for delay + blurry space FX (in only 8 hp)
Disting: for swappable Utility, such as sample and hold, .....
quad vca: nice vca
ochd: nice lfos in 4 hp.
active mults
Attenuator
Befaco stereo mixer
Befaco outs

Maybe you could at least integrate

• 4ms Ensemble Oscillator
  and / or
• 4ms wavetable navigator

I love them for ambient - they are fantastic
For drones, chords, timbres all the chilling fun

4ms wavetable navigator acts also as sequencer and / or envelope generator / or lfos
You could spare some other utilities for this

4ms Ensemble Oscillator - it just lifts off to new dimensions

maybe - "Bastl Basil" for delay + blurry space FX (in only 8 hp) its quiet new and cool

And yes, I do have this many Maths...

Wow, that's impressive. Are you gonna be keeping Maths in your main racks while you do this, or are you covering the functionality in different ways? Just curious 'cuz I'm always interested in how people replace Maths.

I might do a writeup or a video or so of the results (me getting all tangled up in a mess of wires).

I think I speak for us all here when I say, yes, please do!

Thanks for the response Jukeshoe and HG synth.

The idea came to me after watching a youtube video where they explain 20 or so different ways to use Maths. It's kind of an attempt to build something of an analog computer in eurorack format perhaps. I do have other cases with all kinds of modules but this feels like a nice experiment / challenge. And yes, I do have this many Maths...

I might do a writeup or a video or so of the results (me getting all tangled up in a mess of wires).

Very nice! I also love the bass! Your setup is actually vaguely similar to mine in the general concept, instead of a Rhodes and an Osmose I have a Casio Privia Px-870 and a Nord Wave which I use in conjunction with the modular. Anyway you got yourself another YT subscriber. I really like your "Silver Towers" jam as well.

EDITED May 21st 2023, 18:05

It's been already a couple years since I started my YT... I started recording with only 3 or 4 modules and now I'm starting to get to a point where I feel the setup is starting to feel complete, I will probably switch a couple modules around still and I want an analog polysynth but the case is capable of making a full song on its own...

I love how the bass came up on this one, the GStorm SH-5 dual filter has an amazing sound, to my ears it really feels like a Roland filter... I'm running through it a couple waveforms plus some sub from a nano On, then adding some multi band distortion from the Cosmotronic Cosmix to get that crunch.

Hermod is the brain sequencing all the melodic voices and a clank chaos is triggering the percussion.

Let me know what you think!

I would like to be able to search between a minimum and maximum HP width.

I have no reason to post a public rack.

Agree with Jukeshoe. However, if you DO have that many Maths and go through with this, please, please film the results!

Ok, this was a neat challenge. But to be honest, I think my solution might need some work. I like where Sweelinck was headed (particularly with the Morphagene), as well. Maybe one of the real power users will come along and give some suggestions. But let me show you where my thinking is leading, and you can do with that as you will.

For starters, I kept almost all the modules you've already gotten, only switching out your passive mult for a buffered mult. A passive mult does not do as good a job as a buffered when multing signals; if you want to mult 1v/oct signals, you'll want a buffered mult so there is no drop in voltage. Also, I'd get a multi-cable rather than a passive mult, to save space. The other thing to consider is that the Rene, as badass as it is, takes up 32hp. That's pretty dear for a sequencer, even one as powerful as Rene. You have 104 hp to use (if the above case is accurate), don't waste nearly a third of it on a sequencer. Get something off rack like a BSP, or go for a bigger case so you don't have to sacrifice other modules for Rene.

Keeping in mind that you are interested in dark ambient with a hint of generative, I did the following (listed by function).

Top Row: Random voltages, VCOs (3 v/oct ins), multimode filter (2 inputs), mults, Maths (so many functions, but at most basic, a mixer/attenuverter/function generator), audio manipulation in the form of uClouds and uRings, function/envelopes/quad cascading VCA.
Bottom Row: Clocking, modulators, attenuverters, S/H and T/H, sequencer, precision adder, sequential switch, uO_C (so many functions, only two levels of menu diving), and end of chain VCAs, effects, and mixers.

My thought is that you could use the bottom row to supply motion, modulation, attenuation, triggers, gates, and sequences. These can be manipulated or quantized (which Rene can already do, but what if you use you S/H for a melody?) or so many other things using uO_C. After that you have another VCA and then end of chain processing. I give you for effects the Happy Nerding FX Aid XL, which sounds great, though you will want to have a printout of the different settings at hand. There's a new version out with a screen, but you don't have the hp for it at the moment.

The top row has sound sources, giving you 3 digital voices that come out of the VCOs ready to go. However, if you wanted to filter further, the Filter 8 gives you plenty to play with. And Joranalogue always throws extra functionality into their modules. Then Maths, which is so handy it needs its own post. Then sound processing in uClouds and uRings. I generally prefer the real article to clones, but it makes sense with MI's situation and your hp. Finally, function/envelope generation and VCAs to craft the shape of the sound.

My typical approach to building a rack is to try to think through the signal path as I plan. From beginning to end, where might I need to send voltages, or what parameters will I want to mangle? That way I can start thinking about the system as an instrument rather than a collection of modules.

Finally, there are utilities. These are hard to figure out without trying them, unless you're already blessed with electrical engineering experience. I mean, how are you supposed to know that sequential switches can be your best friend when building longer sequences, or that precision adders rock, or that comparators are game changers for generative music? The uO_C, particularly with Hemispheres loaded, gives you a chance to test them all out and decide what you actually need. In general (adapting something Sweelinck said in another thread), if you think of your system as a building, the oscillators, filters, and fancy modules are rooms, but you need the utilities to act as hallways and corridors (and sometimes fun-house mirrors) to get from room to room. I highly recommend looking up some videos about different utilities to get a better sense of what they do. Loopop, Mylarmelodies, and DivKid were sources I went to when I was figuring this out, and I found them invaluable.

Anyways, maybe one of the really experienced folks will tell you something different. But it looks like you're on a good path, you just need to think more about the architecture and connecting pieces of your system.

Good luck!

EDITED May 21st 2023, 13:27

Looking for a bit of tips and feedback

I am building a Matyhs only rack. I want to see how far I can get with a case with only (mostly?) Maths in it.

Looking for:
* creative ways to patch Maths(es)
* your experience (or things you have seen) in using Maths creatively
* how far you think a system like this can go (and whether only Maths is feasible)

Thx people!
-- cassek

First of all, interesting idea, and I wish you luck in your attempts at a Maths only rack.

That said, just because Maths can do many different things, doesn't mean the way it does those things are ideal, or even workable. Take Maths as a 'VCA'...it's possible, but only as the crudest version, and not very workable.

If you happen to have this many Maths, more power to you and I hope to see some of your results!

If you're thinking of shelling out for this setup, I'd consider long and hard if other modules, actually geared toward a particular functionality (such as VCA, VCF, etc.) might not get you farther.

Otherwise, the approach kind of reminds me of zero-input mixing setups a bit. Which might be fun. :)

Hi,
Thanks for the picture! I couldn't post it like that.
Yes indeed more ambient than dark…
Thank you very much for your recommendation sweelinck! It looks great and very complete!
I will go and find out about each module and watch videos, thank you very much 🙂
I will come back to you if I have a question about one of the functions of this rack

Thank you dub007 it reassures me to tell myself that I made the right choices and I agree sweelinck did a great job 🙂

If anyone else has another rack recommendation / idea to open my mind, I'll take it 🙂

EDITED May 21st 2023, 12:51

Spend time with what you have... It's a good selection. Sweelinck does a great job of finishing out the case with some nice options based on what you mentioned and I agree... Filter, mixer, fxaid xl or pro and outs would be my next steps as well. All very personal choices... Put your research hat on and happy wiggling

EDITED May 21st 2023, 12:09

Yes. Even with the jumper removed though, it looks like you are probably pushing the -12V rail close to it's limits. So definitely remove the jumper, but pay close attention to the lights on the UZeus when it powers on. If they blink when you power on then that means you're probably pushing it too hard. All the lights should turn on immediately. Also feel the faceplate of the UZeus after you've had it on for awhile. If it feels like you're going to burn your finger then again, you're probably pushing it too hard.

You need to get in the habit of looking at the power consumption numbers listed in Modular Grid to give you an idea of how much power your rack is using. Yeah it's just a rough estimate, but in this instance it's 478 mA on the -12V rail, that tells you right away that you definitely need to remove the jumper. Given all the space you have left in the rack, you're definitely going to need more power for that rail when you add more modules. A 4MS Row Power module might be a better idea for the remainder of the rack (it provides more power on the -12V rail).

EDITED May 21st 2023, 11:47

Looking for a bit of tips and feedback

I am building a Matyhs only rack. I want to see how far I can get with a case with only (mostly?) Maths in it.

Looking for:
* creative ways to patch Maths(es)
* your experience (or things you have seen) in using Maths creatively
* how far you think a system like this can go (and whether only Maths is feasible)

Thx people!

EDITED May 21st 2023, 11:13

I built another Case :

and wanted to use the uZeus with a 3000 mA PSU Adapter. When i turned it on the -12v led didnt light up, but the other ones did. Some modules powered on, too but I quickly turned the PSU down because I feared of destroying anthing.
I also found something in the manual of the uZeus regarding the -12v rail:

"The –12V rail uses a switching regulator. This switching regulator needs to
have a minimum load of 100mA (out of 500mA) at any given time. The
uZeus has a factory setting to self consume this current. If your uZeus is
powering more than four (4) analog modules you can then disable this
setting if desired to make this 100mA available for use by your modules.
With the uZeus powered off, look for header J7 (located below the blue
resistor) and remove the jumper. Re-insert the jumper such that it comes in
contact with only one pin. Once reinstalled in the system, the uZeus will
provide the full 500mA of –12V power for your modules"

Do I just need to remove the jumper? If not, what are the best steps to debugging?

Thanks in advance!

Since I don't hear anyone coming, here is a proposal on the basis of your indications. But beware, others are much better at this than I am. I hope for your sake that they will come to our rescue.

I’ve given up browsing racks as there are too many useless public random wannabes and duplicates.

Maybe those people who have all the private racks only use this page as a place to organize their racks
-- ferranadsr

That’s exactly why all my racks are private - why would anybody be interested if I swapped two modules, or added something new?

If I thought my rack was good enough to contribute then I’d be happy to share, so lose the private/public terminology and just have an option to share your rack - if it’s worthy ;)

EDITED May 20th 2023, 22:17

Bravo, Champagne! We are free. And 'Private' is a clear enough term. Well, one could also imagine 'Just married, do not disturb', but I'm afraid that would arouse more curiosity :(

Hello World,
i find this thread on Mods, https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241276 where a problem like above was describe

Answer was this:
https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Bourns/PTL20-15R0-103B2?qs=%2Fha2pyFaduipoxRmSK9QZtYMCXHfZDC5LELrrzEneq9xucH8v9TrXQ%3D%3D

I won't buy 1200 pieces i only need one!
I have not find anyware in the www this fader.

Do you have an idea where i can buy one fader?

Thank you for help and answer.

All the best and a nice weekend

Because it's technically no one else's business regardless of their reasons for wanting to look. I even sometimes get paranoid that MG staff take liberties by being able to look at any old private racks they like "just cuz".

It's not that I'm hiding anything in most cases (no pun intended), though I have uploaded some non-existent, hidden "concept" modules on here which may or may not ever be realized. And I'm also not here to impress people. I use the grid for planning my racks, both real and theoretical, sometimes in multiple, messy iterations. Why does anyone need to see that? More practically, why might I want to tip people off to what unobtanioum modules I'm scoping out at any given moment? >:3

If I want opinions, I'll ask. I'm not spending 6 hours obsessively moving squares around for any of you, though!

A visualization of your rack that is just as ambient but much less ‘dark’.
We made a first step :)

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2258232.jpg

Hi all !
I come to ask for your help to help me continue filling my case :)
I would like with my modular to be able to do ambient / dark ambient (and to be able to play it live if I can do it).
But I would also like to be able to create dark atmospheres and fx for my techno tracks.
I am also very attracted to generative music.
I already have all the modules indicated in my rack.
For now I use an analog four to clock the rené
I looking for If possible modules with not too much diving in the menus but I accept anyway.
I also specify that I had an Erica synth black polivoks filter that I sold, because i would like a more complex filter.
Could you help me to find somes ideas of a rack that would work well ?

I don't know all the modules on the market and their functionality so it's hard to get an idea of my "perfect synthesizer"
So I bought these modules because they attracted me or were recommended by friends but I don't have an exact idea yet of how I want to work with my modular apart from what I have said above.
So everything is not very well thought out upstream even if I think that I have not made a bad choice so far and that I like each of my modules.

I haven't fully grasped the eurorack world yet, and I don't have a sharp enough mind to think through a complex patch and get exactly where I want it.
But staying only with the modules I currently have does not help me move forward because I quickly have limitations in all my ideas.
that's why i need you

For now I can use effects with ableton to save money and space.
Except if you advise me rather to have eurorack effects?
I wouldn't mind being able to play it without a computer.

I think I'm not bad modulation for now.
I think I would need a new filter, several other vcos, I had the Honda piston in my sights.
In utility I don't know yet what I might need apart from a mixer and an output module (because I currently take the stereo output from the cloud) and a clock to be autonomous.
and maybe effects?
I'm waiting for your recommendation .

If you can advise me on what I need to achieve my goals that would be great
see you soon 🙂

I'm brutal with my tidying, racks never private.

Oh thanks a lot for the topic! It reminds me I should set everything to private because I really have to clean up my racks, it's such a mess. But you know how it is, tidying up, we keep putting it off... Yet I can almost feel the dust between the pixels. Fortunately, the cat is there to keep the mice away :)

Exactly, what else ? Do you want to see people your finance plan or shopping list ?
I just discovered that a few of my racks accidently were not on private, i wonder if anything was changed here with that checkbox being off on default if you make a new rack.

EDITED May 19th 2023, 10:23

Yes I know. Maybe those people who have all the private racks only use this page as a place to organize their racks and make the shopping list without wasting paper. His intention may not be collaboration and sharing. Perhaps they only use it as an office tool, like Word or Excel.

...they don't want to share the secret sauce.
-- Sedalus

thank you for that one :D

...I normally have my current rack and some variation of it as public...
-- ferranadsr

that sounds pretty normal to me.
as stated in my initial post - i am curious why people set all of their racks to private. without judging anything...
(i have added ALL to the topic title)

EDITED May 19th 2023, 07:35

I still have the WE Transfer link, if y0u PM me you can have it - if that was adressed to me.

Hi,
I normally have my current rack and some variation of it as public, but I have drafts, lists and power draws as private. I don't see the interest that a consumption calculation of the modules may have for the rest of the users, especially when they are the same modules that I have in the public racks.

It's because their mix depends on that super secret module combination you don't know about yet, and they don't want to share the secret sauce.

Don't support a company that does shit like this:

"A further 20 anonymous forum users were added as defendants in the $250,000 suit for making “false, defamatory, and libelous” statements, ranging from general complaints about Behringer ‘copying’ other products or using business practices described by one poster as 'underhanded.'"

https://www.factmag.com/2018/06/20/behringer-dave-smith-libel-case/

https://cdm.link/2018/06/behringer-have-sued-dave-smith-instruments-forum-posters-for-defamation/

https://mixmag.net/read/behringer-attempts-to-sue-dave-smith-instruments-and-forum-users-for-250-000-news

If you have to use your corporate lawyers to shut up random forum users about your intellectual property theft... there's a good chance you're doing something wrong.

EDITED May 19th 2023, 02:11