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hhahahaha maybe

there are no 'right' directions, there are just directions

it really only depends on you and how you patch

I would like to add:
- Productivity: a Modular is by far the least productive thing you want to use if you want to make music. You tend to get entangled while finding a sound or simply by patching. You may end up with something interesting, but it possibly is not what you wanted or needed for the composition you had in mind (if you had one).
- Especcially if you are not sure if you are an ADHS type of person, it could be problematic to have so many options directly in front of you.
- And you should think about how your workflow will change. You should get used to having one patch in one moment that will not persist. So you have to record it. The Octatrack will come in handy if you like to build up a set based on small pieces of audio. Or you want to record your composition straigt to a multi or 2-Track recorder.
Some people also try to integrate their modular system with their computer/DAW, but I think that is even more overhead that needs to be managed before making music and most people use a modular system to get away from the screen.

EDITED Jun 6th 2021, 09:52

Interesting question, I am also currently looking for a compact menuless Env Module.
I currently use some make noise function modules (which i would prefer over the contour), some malekko Envelator modules and just recently added the dreadbox attaxia because its cheap compact and offers 2 Env or LFOs.
I would also recommend a function generator: Maths, Rampage, DUSG of Falistri (of which i only had the maths)
The döpfer A-143-2 quad adsr is also a nice and interesting env-generator, if you don't mind the optics and space.

EDITED Jun 6th 2021, 09:33

Hahaha, no fish in their, mainly insects, larvae, pond snails.... we are waiting for Frogs and Toads to find our pond.

I've improved on the gate envelops now, I can now play them via the joystick across the stereo fields/envelope-lengths.

Cheers :)

Thanks for the suggestions

Yeah! A good BBD is just so cool. I’m also very interested in the new Moskwa II and expander module. XAOC has been growing on me. 👍

Zoning out a little bit after a week of drinking from the fire hose.

Cool I dig it so glitchy in a good way of course and yes the Vector is a great sequencer for Eurorack.

Indeed while the Jomox is not cheap, it’s such a wonderful kick drum. Lots of cv patch points and parameters to tweak it for lot of variety. I have a low pass gate and abstract data octacontroller on the way and Roland tb03 for modulation and bass line then my mobile rig will be ready. Add in my make noise 0-coast and 0-Ctrl for leads and I’m good. I’m really liking the VPME Euclidean Circles v2 sequencer for drums the more I use it along with Eloquencer. Drums beg for modulation and processing with FX and have a Happy Nerding FX aid XL on the way as well.

Hi Sacguy71,

Oh yes, that sounds very good about the Jomox. Sounds to me that I need to look a bit deeper into the Jomox stuff! :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this information and kind regards, Garfield.

Thanks Garfield,

jomox is the large module on top left of the case in the video. It is a god like kick drum module. I have BIA and WND Crater is my other cases and while these are good kick drums, the jomox is so much beefier! I did learn a trick today that you want to run drums through a compressor and add distortion for serious power. I ordered the Hexinverter Mutant Hot Glue Eurorack mixer as it was designed specifically for modular percussion and it’s truly an incredible mixer with side chain options and decent routing. After covid ends and clubs open, I’m confident that I can deliver a decent techno and house show on modular. I just need to add a good bassline to these drums.

Hi Abstractrhythms,

Another option might be the Sinfonion from ACL. It can handle chords/strings by the "chords" channel, you provide one input and you get four outputs, hence the 4 notes for the chords/strings and, naturally, simultaneously. I use it often in combination with the polyphonic modules from Doepfer (A-111-4, A-145-4, A-105-4, A-141-4 and A-132-8), sounds pretty nice.

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Wishbonebrewery,

He, he, thanks :-) Yes, I went a bit crazy that day ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Nice video :-) Now, at least I thought, I very carefully listen and watched your video, but Jomox module? I don't think I recognised it in your video, which one is your Jomox Bass drum module?

Oh, when you just switched off the music, then I found it :-) Jomox is still on my wish list but I haven't got any module yet from Jomox. How do you like Jomox stuff?

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Wishbonebrewery,

Oh lovely track! He, he, and a very green picture ;-) Do I recognise at the top part roughly in the middle a large mouth of a dangerous fish?

This is only 6 minutes but you could make it 16 or 26 minutes and it still wouldn't bore me. Nice to listen at, enough variation to keep it going and yeah... I really like it :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this with us and kind regards, Garfield.

I know what you mean. The graphic designer and the web developer had heated discussions above that topic. That was not very productive especially since they are the same person. (web developer always wins)
-- modulargrid

Yep, I'm the same, but my graphic/UI designer side always wins and the web developer side has to put in the extra hours to make it happen, which is why everything I do....takes ....so.....long...

Thanks!

so im in the right direction?

On the "Command Centre" (sorry..."center") display,

I guess you mean the Kommandozentrale

could we please have the any incomplete rows left-justified rather than fully justified? As a graphic designer, I start to cry when I see three racks spread apart on the final row, after seeing evenly spaced racks above

I know what you mean. The graphic designer and the web developer had heated discussions above that topic. That was not very productive especially since they are the same person. (web developer always wins)

Whilst I'm at it, could the rows also be padded out so that the tops of all the cases align regardless of the length of the case title - e.g. make it like a spreadsheet table where you have a row of case titles above a row of cases.
-- AndyQ

Understand. Will look into it and give it another shot ...

Made with my new Jomox bass drum module:

Some recommendation for my fist eurorack ? I need something more ?

Im working on quadrax and it is wonderful the concatenation of lfos that we can do with it.
The combination quadrax+roti pola (first channel creates chaos among others) +divkid ochd is a real fun.
Thanks to Lugia for the advice.

Brilliant :)

Great track, already spotted via YT :)

Really nice :)

Wow, much craziness but really good :)

Playing with the idea of Trance Gating with a couple of VCA Channels and some snappy and not so snappy envelopes triggered differently for Left and Right channels which ends up being a bit ping-pong delay.
Pitches come from Marbles then the Saw wave from the Befaco EvenVCO, filtered by the Omsonic FLF into Monsoon Clouds to create a wash of sound with all the reverb, out into Veils VCAs with a couple of ALM PipSlope's being triggered from patterns in the Robaux LL8, then the stereo goes into the 2hp verb to add some wash onto the enveloped sound from the VCAs. Bit of a Tuned and filtered Bass drone from the Makenoise STO and Happy Nerding HNVCF.
Recorded in one take, if there are pops, crackles or glitches its because of my crappy soundcard! Thanks for listening :)

I would like to request a feature that, for DIY modules, build difficulty can be rated so that people can select new DIY projects based on their ability.

On the "Command Centre" (sorry..."center") display, could we please have the any incomplete rows left-justified rather than fully justified? As a graphic designer, I start to cry when I see three racks spread apart on the final row, after seeing evenly spaced racks above (this wasn't the case before). Whilst I'm at it, could the rows also be padded out so that the tops of all the cases align regardless of the length of the case title - e.g. make it like a spreadsheet table where you have a row of case titles above a row of cases. Perhaps user-selectable options for the visual sizes of cases too (they got smaller after recent updates). Cheers!

Hi Gvfgvf,

I am sorry if my message/feedback was perhaps a little unclear. My concern here for your above rack is, do you have already all the displayed modules, mainly worried about the Cwejman modules because, as already mentioned, they are no longer obtainable. If you already have them, then well that's seriously fantastic :-) If not yet, perhaps you might want to reconsider your planned rack to make it more realistic because just a Maths and a Delay module (be it the Verbos one or another one), might be a bit meagre in combination with your already existing Cwejman SW1MK2; but it also depends on what you exactly want.

There are quite a few delay modules and of course the perfect way of discovering the "perfect" delay module that might fit you is, by going to a local dealer and try them all out (or as many as possible). Naturally because of Covid that might be difficult at the moment or not possible or if you don't have a too nearby local dealer, you might be "forced" to buy it "blindly" so to speak.

I don't know them all or what I rather mean is, I don't have experience with most of them, but let's give it a try to get an overview of available delays:
- Doepfer has a few whereby I think the A-188-x is the most well-known, based on the BBD principle (Bucket Brigade Device) whereby Doepfer offers several different modules by offering several different "stages". I own the A-188-1 with 1024 stages, in one way I like it, I guess because of BBD however I feel it's a module that's a bit difficult to get that properly under control but that might be just me, not really knowing how to use it properly ;-)
- 2hp has a "Delay" module, if you want it small :-) I prefer modules to be at least 4 or 6 HP, so for me this wouldn't be comfortable but if you want to save space in your rack...?
- 4ms has the Dual Looping Delay, no experience with it, might be worth to check out though
- ACL, the VC Dual Delay module, not sure if this one is sold out, it's on my wish list though
Alright Devices - Chronoblob2, funny name but other than that i don't know it
Analogue Systems has a few delay modules, as far as I know non-Eurorack so that's a pity, not sure yet if they have already a Eurorack compatible delay module, this might be interesting in the future when they do so
Animal Factory Amplification has a module called Coma Reactor Module, just because of that name it's on my wish list but then again, there is so many on my wish list ;-) Not sure about this one, might be interesting
Audio Damage has a few (ADM15, 16 & 17)
Befaco Crush Delay v2 or nowadays v3, I have that one and... I am not so sure what to think of this one, if you want a more distorted delay, this might be an interesting one, if you look for a nice clear delay effect... I don't think I would go for this one
Dreadbox - Nostalgia, for the price-performance, I think this might be very interesting, not sure about its sound quality though
Erica Synths has a few, including Black Stereo Delay, Fusion Delay (using a tube), Pico DSP (if you like it small, just 3 HP) and now recently the Black BBD, same principle as the Doepfer, also a BBD. If I remember a post here correctly this one might be interesting if you are looking for a delay based on the BBD principle, seems to be easier to get it under control than the Doepfer one, but that again might be just my own clumsiness ;-)
Eventide is planning to come with the Euro DDL, that looks like a very interesting option to me, pity it's not available yet though
Folktek has Conduit
Intellijel the Rainmaker, if you don't care the 36 HP (and the high price), then this might be your delay valhalla
Make Noise has the Mimeophon, this one I am considering but want to test it first at my local dealer to see if it's indeed as good as the name and reputation goes; knowing Make Noise, I think this might be indeed a very interesting module
Malekko has a quad gate delay, reasonably priced, small in HP (8 HP), so perhaps this is interesting?
MFB from Berlin has the digital delay
Modcan comes with the dual delay, not sure if it's still available
Noise Engineering uses the Imitor Versio to create a delay effect
Pittsburgh Modular calls their the Analogue Replicator
Recovery Effects has the Cutting Room Floor, don't know this one at all
Roland has an LFO/delay module called 572 (from their System 500 series)
Sputnik Modular might have an interesting one for you with the 4-Tap delay/dual crossfader module
Steady State Fate (SSF) has one called Propegate
Synthesis Technology has the E102 Quad Temporarl Shifter, I don't have this module however I have a few modules from Synthesis Technology and their modules are quite interesting, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a good one too!
T-Rex has the enormous Replicator Tape Echo Module, if Tape Echo is your thing, you need 44 HP space and about a ton of money
Tiptop Audio has Echoz if you want to keep the price reasonable
TouellSkouarn has the Heklev, I don't know this one but I have two other modules of this brand, not sure if that suits... the modules I have so far from TouellSkouarn are good in one particular thing, tons of distortion :-)
Well the Verbos you mentioned yourself already
and the last that comes to mind is the WMD DPLR/Doppler delay module

So quite a few to choose from however it's not easy to advice you which one you should take without more context and even then... I do believe choosing a delay is a pretty personal taste kind of thing.

What I haven't mentioned are the tons of modules that are based on DSP effects, if you count them in as well, wow, so much more to choose from. I mainly focussed here on Delay but even then there are of course several of them already DSP based delays :-)

With DSPs I don't have too much experience, I have the Erica Synths - Black Hole DSP2, that's actually a quite nice one, and it has stereo inputs and stereo outputs; but there are so many of them...

What I also haven't mentioned at all yet, are external effects processors and pedals. I regularly use the Electro-Harmonix Grand Canyon delay pedal, nice one, mono input, stereo output but it's not a Eurorack module. Not sure if it must be a module for you or if you feel a pedal is acceptable as well? Well, the Eventide might be interesting but, at least here in Europe, it's not available on the market yet (the Euro DDL module I mean).

I hope I gave you some ideas. As already mentioned, best I believe is still to test as many as possible at a local dealer, I know not easy at these times...

Good luck with the delay choice besides the rack planning ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Klodifokan,

I am sorry to read your reaction on my reply to Gvfgvf. I did read the post, I was aware of the delay question but since this is the Rack section of this forum, I assumed this rack of Gvfgvf is in planning phase. If you are in a planning phase and you plan a lot of modules of one brand that's no longer available, then I do think it make sense to inform the user (in this case Gvfgvf) that these modules are no longer obtainable (other than perhaps 2nd hand). That was the only reason of my feedback, to create awareness at user level that certain modules are no longer available.

Because, in my humble opinion, the above planned rack doesn't make sense if the user can't obtain all modules as planned. In case all modules are already in possession of Gvfgvf, well then that's very great and nice too :-)

All right, so let's have a look at the delay question itself then (I do think in this planning phase it's a bit too early to focus on that but since your opinion seem to be that's the only thing that counts for the moment). As Farkas already mentioned and guessed correctly, I do not have any specific recommendation for replacing the Verbos delay because the rack planning is most likely to be unrealistic unless all modules are already in possession. But for the sake of answering the delay question, I will give it a try.

P.S.: Perhaps a little advice to reread your own message, try to discover how one might feel and observe the way you wrote your message. I can't say that was very kind or of a pleasant tone. We try to be helpful here in this community for each other and, that's just my humble opinion, I would appreciate, a more positive tone in the messages we are trying to send to each other.

I look forward in a more positive way of communicating with you and kind regards, Garfield.

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think
-- amethyst

it does but it's not polyphonic in that way. the voice selection impacts how long a strum is allowed to ring out for. up to four notes can overlap before a strum is muted by a new one, but they cannot be played simultaneously as a chord.
-- bigham

I wonder how "close in time" can be the triggers in Rings to trigger different notes and be percived as a Strumed chord

@klodifokan, GarfieldModular is a very helpful and supportive member of this forum. Perhaps Garfield wanted to offer some assistance, but did not have any specific recommendations for replacing the Verbos delay. Did you have an actual recommendation for the OP's question?

Gvfgvf asks for advice about a replacement module of Verbos delay.
Not about Cwejman's life.
Be serious.
The magic of forums.
You ask a question about something, a someone answers you about something else you don't care.
Read the subject please.
I'm really get bored with answers who doesn't answer your question.
Don't spend time for nothing useful please.

cool - I hope you enjoy it and that it lives up to your expectations!

the spdif output will give you 2 channels - so gate and cv for instance

if you are using a mac you could try using one of the usb (or usb-c) modules from expert sleepers (the es8 or 9) as a aggregate device with the other audio interface

I'm not sure that works well on windows though

probably something similar to what you have

general cv? maybe it's more paraphonic though - but it does have rompled strings! hehe

rings can do '4 voices' at once but it's more based on resonance than 'polyphony' as such because it will only trigger one note at a time, so it's more like a (4) stringed instrument than a true polyphonic instrument

looks to me as though "make synths, not war" is gone - last blog entry is nov 2018 and I suspect that they never had dealers - have you tried the contact form?

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think
-- amethyst

it does but it's not polyphonic in that way. the voice selection impacts how long a strum is allowed to ring out for. up to four notes can overlap before a strum is muted by a new one, but they cannot be played simultaneously as a chord.

Hi Matteo,
I'm putting another vote in for the FX Aid, I have the XL version (it's 6HP) and have been continuously impressed by the algos on offer, sounds fantastic as end of chain effect, probably the best value for the money and fits in your budget. The fact that it has so many possible effects, some of which combining for example a delay and a reverb make it an excellent choice for someone in your situation with no FX module in the rack yet, even if you add larger and/or more specialized FX modules, this one will most certainly retain its value in the rack...
Another choice to consider I think and also within budget is the Noise Engineering Versio thing (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-engineering-desmodus-versio). It is less flexible than the FX Aid in the sense that one needs to switch firmware to change the effect, but on the other hand the CV control options is way more extensive, and the algos are more specialized I think. NE is very very good at making digital modules and this one is no exception I believe, I've heard excellent stuff in the demos of the Desmodus Versio (the reverb) and the Ruina Versio (the distortion), probably a better choice for those looking to integrate the effect as part of the sound design rather than just end of chain. But all this is from the demos I've seen, haven't actually tried the thing myself...
As always, research extensively before you buy and you'll be allright :)
D.

I have the fx aid xl which is 6hp and I really like it - more space and more modulation inputs

one big plus point about it is that Igor seems to constantly post updates

there's also similar modules from erica, endorhin.es and tiptop but I don't think they have quite the versatility

Operation on Zadar is fast enough IMO, in fact the presence of the screen makes it easier for me than my new Quadrax for which I have to remember button combinations, whereas I built muscle memory much faster on Zadar. One thing to remember though is that it only accept triggers, so if you need the envelope to respond to gate length, it won't work, gate lengths are ignored and considered as a trigger. It is particularly good at very complex modulation, either very fast or very slow, amazing for ambient types of music.
Stages is also very useful because it's not only a configurable EG, it can be LFO's, S&H, so it can adapt very well to your patching needs, you can even mix & match. But if you're looking for ADSR, it might not be your best bet, it can only do one at a time (you need to use 4 out of 6 available stages for an ADSR).
I had my eyes on the Quadigy before settling for a Quadrax instead, it may be a good choice for quad ADSR. It has menus but the UI/UX design seems clever enough to make it a non-issue I think, although I never actually tried it and would recommend one does before purchase.
Good luck with your research and hope you find something that makes you musically happy ;-)

Thanks. Sounds like it's what i am looking for at the moment.

Will have a further look now

Thanks for the suggestion
Ciao
Matteo

Happy Nerding FX Aid is really nice. A ton of effects to choose from (reverbs, delays, modulation, pitch-shifting, etc) and all really high-quality. And the designer continues to update/add to the algorithms. There's a 4hp version (which I have) and I think 6 or 8hp version.

I also looked into the Tip Top before deciding to go for the Happy Nerding.

Hi,

It's time to for me to get some effects on my rack. At the moment, there are no effect modules in my rack, so, I might think to start with some classic.
I would stay in the price range of 200-300 and i am keen to get a multi-effect (was thinking at the tip top audio z5000).

Do you have any suggestions on what could be a good one to start?

thanks
Ciao,
Matteo

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think

This is my build sofar for a Ambient system

but need some help organising the rack

i have most modules,the ones i dont have yet is

Furthrrr Generator
2hp play(for field recordings mainly)
Fold 6
Quant Gemi
Golden Master
Lapsus Os
Ears
Terapad-Tete

Where would you place every module?

Hi,

Is there any polyphonic string module available somewhere?

The only one i was able to find is the String Theory from Make synth not war: https://makesynthsnotwar.com/modules/stringtheory/

I can't even find it for sale anywhere.

I know it's weird to go poly on modular but i really miss poly strings and i am wondering if something is available on the market.

thanks
ciao
Matteo

makes sense, appreciate the input. thanks!

Haven’t tried Zadar but looks easy to use. Hikari and ACL look great. No rush as I’m good for now until I need for travel case then Zadar or Hikari would work,

Hi Gvfgvf,

Unless you have already all those shown Cwejman modules, there is no longer any chance of getting them other than second hand, which might be hard to get. Wowa Cwejman died on the 30th of January 2021 :-(

Good luck with the planning and kind regards, Garfield.