Thanks for the info. I'm reading as much as I can 'bout modular but stumble upon a standard problem every now and then.

Strange thing is that a lot of manuals of modules do not mention the voltages of CV in and/or out (the sometimes frowned upon Behringer does have excellent tables w/ all info you need for instance).

but almost definitely because it was copied from the original...

Is there an "unwritten law" or standard like 0 to 10 V for filter CV in if not otherwise specified? I mean: even if you have a utility module, don't you have to know the exact voltage specifications of the modules to patch 'm together via a utility module?
-- MeneerJansen

not really, the only things that are "standard" are dimensions and power... and even then...

reality is you don't, most of the time I want attenuated modulation anyway... less is more etc

Just got one of these and feel like its another good piece of the modular puzzle, I could play a full set with nothing but a Radio Music and this!

Yeah, sounding really great!!

Push entire row of Modules

In the planner there are two new buttons that appear on hover to push one or more modules to the adjacent side.
This can also be used with shortcuts n and m.
The older shortcuts , and . to push only single modules still exist.
The button to flip modules is removed because I think that was not used enough and took too much space. The function is still there with shortcut f for flip.
-- modulargrid

dudes, the rotate/flip fuction was essential.

the way it worked before was way better.

please put it back / make Rotate available.
-- RunnyKine

I agree. Would prefer flip.
Also, it is more difficult to move 2-4hp modules around now. There is a very tiny space that you must grab.
Thanks for everything you do!

fantastic!

How did you stuff 3 Mother 32s into that Behringer Go case? Specs say that one row is 140hp and specs on the Mothers are 60hp each (equaling 180hp). What am I missing?

EDITED Aug 9th 2023, 19:33

Thanks for the info. I'm reading as much as I can 'bout modular but stumble upon a standard problem every now and then.

Strange thing is that a lot of manuals of modules do not mention the voltages of CV in and/or out (the sometimes frowned upon Behringer does have excellent tables w/ all info you need for instance). Is there an "unwritten law" or standard like 0 to 10 V for filter CV in if not otherwise specified? I mean: even if you have a utility module, don't you have to know the exact voltage specifications of the modules to patch 'm together via a utility module?

I resized it to real life status, thanks to normalledout for the suggestion!

I still need more mults

EDITED Aug 14th 2023, 21:07

yes, kind of... and kind of a common question... but...

you won't do any damage sending 10V into the eudemonia, what will happen is the envelope will be cut off at the top and the filter will never "close" properly

the solution is to use a negative offset of 5v... these are commonly found in attenuverters... or if you have it, maths - channel 2 or 3 have offsets built in - see the manual for which is 5v and which it 10v... other modules that also have this functionality (off the top of my head) are mutable shades and happy nerding 3 x mia...

this is why you NEED utility modules - they solve little problems that crop up all the time...

see my signature for a cheat sheet of how to get the most versatility from your modular for the least expense...

hope this helps!

Push entire row of Modules

In the planner there are two new buttons that appear on hover to push one or more modules to the adjacent side.
This can also be used with shortcuts n and m.
The older shortcuts , and . to push only single modules still exist.
The button to flip modules is removed because I think that was not used enough and took too much space. The function is still there with shortcut f for flip.
-- modulargrid

dudes, the rotate/flip fuction was essential.

the way it worked before was way better.

please put it back / make Rotate available.

The Dreadbox Eudemonia filter takes an input CV of -5/+5 Volt. However, some of the Envelope Generators that I'm considering have an output CV of 0 to 10 V. Are they compatible?

Hi all,
I've been into modular for a few years and mostly make ambient music (http://songsforatiredcity.bandcamp.com) - But lately i've also been thinking about making some industrial techno. in addition to this rack, I use an O-Ctrl and an Octatrack. 4 voices go into the mixer, with disting set to a reverb send. The master is sent to the octatrack with a filter and compressor at the end. I've started to perform more often now but find myself patching in similar ways - Just wanted to get some feedback from you all on some patching ideas I may not have thought of! In general for gigs, I like to set up 4 voices - with two voices playing melodies recorded into the hermod via the octatrack midi section and then tweaked with hermod effects and another two that are usually either doing bass and a random S&H counter thing or just some fx/sounds..

The marbles in there in there is a placeholder for a DIY locked sample and hold that someone in Goa built for me https://ozoe.fr/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=438&mnuid=316&tconfig=0

I've also very recently added a dot, morphagene, BIA, 1U attenuator and a 1U bernoulli gate but I haven't had the chance to fully explore them yet. I also have a clouds, pluck and mysteron that I recently removed from the setup. Ideally i'd llike to restrict myself to a 7U setup.

Would love to hear what ya'll think!

EDITED Aug 9th 2023, 15:22

Thanks to you both for the kind feedback, it means a lot.

Regarding my teeshirt, ha! Yes, it is an original Soundgarden teeshirt from their Superunknown tour in 1994. Saying that shirt is nearly 30 years old blows my mind. I think it is officially past the point where I can machine wash it. That show may have been the last time it gets worn casually haha.

Hi mate. As waveshaper I have picked the Joranalogue Audio Design Fold. Which mixer and filter can you recommend. End of chain will be a Midas Venice mixing desk.
The rythm sends midi clock to the beat step and the beat step sending clock to the Modul( Hope that is working like that)
-- Philekkk

well definitely an audio submixer - for combining the 2 vcos before hitting a filter - slightly detune one of them firat, & preferably a matrix mixer - add a nice quad lfo/envelope generator (zadar/batumi etc etc) to make the most of this for deriving complex modulations... but I'd also want at least one module like a happy nerding 3 x mia particularly for cv mixing/offset

I'd add a PNW (inexpensive used) or PPW to add clock divisions and a load of other features etc - will also help on the sync front - you might find you are better off with an expander for pams (to allow clocking from the rythm) and then clock the beatstep from Pams

I'd also add a simple clock divider as you can get square wave sub octaves out of it - /2 = -1ve, /4 = -2ve etc...

switches of all kinds are useful in live situations, as are 'scene controllers' - like Music Thing Modular Control

filters? I think they're very personal, and really you are only going to get recommendations of people's favourites (or whatever is trendy that week) - at least in terms of specific modules... personally I like Doepfer (for both utility modules and filters) as they are reasonably priced and do what they sau they do...

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?
-- Arrandan

OMG! Problem solved.
Space Clowns rejoice!!!
-- AEROCATONE

I got one for free with another module. Obviously, the Wackel is my favorite module ever! And I haven't even used is as a multiple yet!

EDITED Aug 9th 2023, 11:29

Hi mate. As waveshaper I have picked the Joranalogue Audio Design Fold. Which mixer and filter can you recommend. End of chain will be a Midas Venice mixing desk.
The rythm sends midi clock to the beat step and the beat step sending clock to the Modul( Hope that is working like that)

It’s interesting to have a live version now.
The adaptation of the bass and drums is very satisfactory.

In addition to your music, I appreciate your communicative joy (and humor) as well as loyalty to your old teeshirt.

Also, your hat :)

Hi,
Good piece, I've been browsing your channel and it sounds good.
Good job.
A new subscriber

Great recording. Love your studio too.

part. 1/3 I recorded the set and decided to share it. As usual, I can't help but dance :# I split the set into a few sections. I think it works better for watchability. Here's the first one. It's actually a weird version of Orbit Shift, a collaboration I did with a drum and bass artist. I posted the official audio of that track here a few weeks ago. I didn't have my co-producer's bass or breakbeats, so I kind of winged a few drum sequences and a different take on the bass. Anyways hope you watch it and I'd love any feedback. Also, my hat.

EDITED Aug 9th 2023, 01:44

Push entire row of Modules

-- modulargrid

in my opinion it would be better to close the remaining gaps with each push one by one with each click
your soulution removes all gaps at once
thx anyway

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?
-- Arrandan

OMG! Problem solved.
Space Clowns rejoice!!!

Don't forget the Wackel Kontakt! It's a 2x4 multiple but who knows if it will work?

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Push entire row of Modules

In the planner there are two new buttons that appear on hover to push one or more modules to the adjacent side.
This can also be used with shortcuts n and m.
The older shortcuts , and . to push only single modules still exist.
The button to flip modules is removed because I think that was not used enough and took too much space. The function is still there with shortcut f for flip.

Thanks for the recommendations. All good choices. After doing a little more research and seeing your suggestions, I think I'm going to go with the Intellijel Quad VCA. I didn't realize it has cascading CV and Veils does not (at least according to a thread I was reading this morning). Seems to tick all the boxes, and as a bonus it's very inexpensive.
@troux, you are probably right. I now remember recommending the Intellijel a few times based on features/price/size. I had kind of forgotten what a bargain it is.
Thanks again!

I'm still at the "I wonder what happens if I plug that in there?" stage...

-- ModLifeCrisis

That's a great place to be! :)
Have fun and mult away! I bought a bunch of those little star shaped external mults for just this reason. I can't remember who makes them but you can find them for around $6 in the U.S.

Doesn't the center row of the Make Noise case function as a mult (or even multiple mults)? If so, I would probably eliminate any further mults from a case this size. Just my two cents.
-- farkas

I agree with you, but what I'm finding is that I'm using all the centre mults to mult random, LFOs, pressure points, CV from the Rene and PNW... I sometimes find myself needing more mults but I may be overdoing it. I'm still at the "I wonder what happens if I plug that in there?" stage...

Doesn't the center row of the Make Noise case function as a mult (or even multiple mults)? If so, I would probably eliminate any further mults from a case this size. Just my two cents.

I'm building a tiny small software to run on a rasperry pi to control my modular, while it has no official release yet you could potentially try it out from here: https://github.com/zuggamasta/midiTracker and/or just let me know if you have any ideas and questions for a tracker-esque sequencer.

This is my latest configuration. I fear the mash up of black and silver will be frowned upon. I'm still trying to work out the best place to put the mult or if I even need one. My thinking at present is to use it to send out multiple streams from the DPO and use the Morphagene/LXD/Mimeophon as it's own voice - so a two or three voice system, depending on how I use the DPO...

EDITED Aug 8th 2023, 11:30

I've always liked veils - I only have OGs - no mk2s - I'd go for mk2s, or clones, over anything else now though... clean enough, dirty enough, enough extraneous features...

Intellijel Quad VCA, the brilliant and reasonable reference.

I wanted to see by myself.

Currently (08/08/23), there is a second-hand 'Make Noise MATHS V1 Silver/ Red Knobs' offered at 1100€ at Reverb. That same day, a new MATHS at Thomann (or Music Store, or elsewhere) costs 333€.
So today, we can estimate the price of nostalgia for this module at about 767 €...

I decided to preciously keep my good old passive multiple A-180-2.

Accidently tried to add a Intellijel Stereo line in 1u but there is no way to delete it.

I am verry pleased with my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/erica-synths-black-quad-vca2 but then again I only have experience with the Erica Synths VCA's.

So I originated a post that shared my rack. I changed the arrangement after and then tried resharing by copy/pasting. However, it keeps reposting the original rack's confinguration no matter what I do. So bizarre! Also, sorry for starting a thread for this as I am still learning this thing. I would much rather just contact admin privately, but I don't see that option. Guidance is not only accepted, but much apprecieated!!

IMHO it's hard to go wrong with the Intellijel Quad VCA, always sounds clean and has a ton of features packed in. You might have even been the one to recommend it to me @farkas.

Hey everyone!

I currently own a Behringer 2600, and just bought a 62hp intellijel palette case. I write music for film, and am looking for build suggestions as to what will give me the broadest sonic palette - primarily darker/gritty sound design (with some ambient capability). I own a digitakt as well, and would love for this build to be functional compositionally away from the computer.

Any suggestions as to what this build could look like?

Thanks JimHowell1970 ! That's perfect.

Well, I've found myself in need of more VCAs (insert "you can never have too many..." joke here). I was thinking about investing in something that is a little more pricy than the usual suspects, specifically the L-1 Discrete Blacksea Quad VCA/Mixer (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/l-1-discrete-blacksea-quad-vca-mixer), but aside from a few extra features like the lin/exp switches, is it diminishing returns to spend twice as much as something like the perfectly servicable Happy Nerding 3xVCA, Intellijel, Veils, etc.?
I love the Happy Nerding stuff I already have, so I'm sure the 3xVCA would be decent. Is it just an indulgence to invest in the L-1 or something "high end" in that vein? I'm not an audiophile, in fact I usually focus on lo-fi styles, but I'm already pretty covered on that front. I need something on the cleaner side.
Just fishing for opinions, really. What do you all think? Anyone have experience with L-1, or another VCA module that you swear by?
Thanks in advance!

I think that was recently added. You may be able to edit some of them and add the tag if you are bored.

What is going on with (vintage??) Maths ???

I have seen all kinds of gear being declared vintage or rare over the last few years, to justify a higher price level. the latest i noticed was the vintage makenoise maths, with prices around 5/600 up to 900 and even 1100 ($ or €)

wtf??!! is it so much better than the newer and current model, to justify a price for used modules that is 2,3 or even 4 times the price of a new Maths?

Am i missing something?

EDITED Aug 8th 2023, 08:43

in the mean time you can always type shift register in the search field - that works!

If you go searching for "shift register" there are zero modules in the results. This must be some kind of glitch or MG just added shift register to module descriptions before manufactures had a change to use that tag?

All I know is I was searching for a specific SR and noticed nothing comes up under that "function." There are zero results.

Maybe someone at MG could fix this for us?

Are they why everyone says get a bigger case?

I find there are enough Space Clowns outside my case noodling so having more inside the case would be overkill, I'm never sure of the current draw of internal clowns either.

Understood! Very helpful! Tyvm!

I use RackBrutes. They’re supposed to have 88hp per row. They actually have 89. I always leave the extra 1hp for better ventilation.
And against space clowns... I have an adorable (fawn) pug and five cats (including two black cats, @wishbonebrewery ;)

Otherwise, I don’t know what it’s worth, but there is also this: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/konstant-lab-pwr-checker

EDITED Aug 7th 2023, 20:02

I'd love a few comments on my first rack. I'd been planning to go smaller, and picked up the System 3 for a good deal, but then also found a good deal on a 104hp Palette Case that I couldn't refuse!

I've bought all the items shown except Maths and the Intellijel I/O 1U modules. I'm not averse to selling or trading, but I'm going to play with what I've got for a while to get to grips with it.

The idea with this rack is to make a flexible (potentially future paraphonic or polyphonic by adding Intellijel CVx) synthesizer and (very basic) drum rack that can also do some processing/responding to incoming audio. It's starting out as a playground, with the view to becoming a live performance rack alongside acoustic instrument and vocal looping (not on the rack). Duties are as follows:

• Pico 3 - main voice and playground
• Rample - drums
• Ornament & Crime - quantization (missing on the Pico) or other utility
• Flurry - texture (I like cheesy vinyl crackle and waves) and/or strumming Rangoon (Rings)
• Rangoon (Rings) - secondary synth voice, naturalistic percussion, texture, processing incoming audio, pseudo reverb
• Maths - envelope follower/jack of all trades

The only thing I'm missing is a live sampler/looper/delay (apart from the Bucket Brigade on the Pico), but I plan to use an octatrack and/or Boss RC-600 outboard for these duties at first. I may replace Rampage with Morphagene in future if I want to get experimental and have CV control over looping/mangling.

I'm sure as soon as I start patching I will realise I need a couple other utilities, and there's space for a few other bits as I expand. But for now, any comments from experienced eurorack knob-twiddlers would be great!

(edited to remove unnecessary link)

EDITED Aug 7th 2023, 16:08

1hp gaps are good for back-routing clock signals around the case.
1hp gaps are great between 2hp Modular Modules.
Ventilation is good.
-- wishbonebrewery

But what about the space clowns?