Somehow you managed to combine Dark Knight cinematography with modular synths. Great!

A new track with this system - a programmed expression

• Like I said, I beta tested the 4ms Row Power, the Intellijel and the Tiptop Studio Zeus. All were pretty good. There a a couple of instances with some digital modules (Pamelas workout, trigger riot) still make slight noise on their own. This wouldn't happen with a linear supply. In my situation, I put those in a 3u case that is only sequencing modules, no sound processing/generation)
• -- exper

4ms Row Power is clean

yes you should isolate your modules if you can

1FX ,audio i/o

2VCO

3 sequencing (trigger,gate,cv,lfo,env....)

Like I said, I beta tested the 4ms Row Power, the Intellijel and the Tiptop Studio Zeus. All were pretty good. There a a couple of instances with some digital modules (Pamelas workout, trigger riot) still make slight noise on their own. This wouldn't happen with a linear supply. In my situation, I put those in a 3u case that is only sequencing modules, no sound processing/generation)

Alright this is something I need to investigate myself too because I'll be using it solely to record its output and use it for post production. What is to your knowledge an ultra quiet one if not the Intellijel we spoke about?

I have replacements. They still hum. ;)

At this point I have to get rid of them, because I hardly want to record anything.

The problem, some will say 'mine is quiet'. Then you go listen to their soundcloud page and it's an Armageddon sized racket of noise and redlined levels. Of course they won't know if there's hum then. ;)

*lots of complaints about unwanted hum and noise with the MN busboards.

isn't this a PAST issue ??
with the first shared system

i thought this was fixed ?
i spoke with tony , when he was in Montreal last summer
and he seemed aware of the problem with older busboards
i think it has more to due with running the power supply to close to i't limit

i have picked up a used SS
it was one of the first generations and it was unusable for live use (hum and noise)

the shared system was redesigned since then
the one i tried at MOOG AUDIO with ROSIE was very quiet in the headphones and on the PA

you should contact MAKE NOISE directly and ask TONY about the issue.

extra knobs !!! YES
the design is getting better all the time

-- FSK1138

Really glad that you like it. Everything is now summarized on our new website: http://ishizeno.com/

Mmmmm not a fan of bulkiness... Something like this will do right?
"TPS80W Triple Power Supply – TYPE B"
-- Tazio

Yes. That's a very good Supply. Lots of headroom for better performance. I beta tested those and the results were good. I've also used the tiptop studio Zeus and can recommend that as well.

Mmmmm not a fan of bulkiness... Something like this will do right?
"TPS80W Triple Power Supply – TYPE B"

If you read up on the Muff Wiggker forum, you'll are lots of complaints about unwanted him and noise with the MN busboards. I'm kind of stuck with them for know since my cases came with them, but the minute I can, I'm swapping.

The best supplies are linear, like Doepfer uses. Super quiet and no issues as long as you stay below the power limit. The problem is, no one else wants to make a linear supply because off the licensing costs. They are also bulkier, and won't fit in today's more shallow case designs.

I'm either going to swap my MN for the Intellijel power, or design an external enclosure that will house 3-4 linear power supplies to feed into my Goike cases. (2x6u aluminum boards configured as a folding design and a 3u boat in front)

See I knew I should have asked. That's what I was going for since most of my modules will be MN. Good to know, thanks exper!

Just do NOT choose a make noise power supply. It's terribly noisy. I'd go with the Intellijel power as it has a ton of headroom, or a pair of the tiptop studio Zeus busboards. Both I've used and are very quiet. 4ms row power isn't bad either.

Ha! I though the case came with the PSU. Anybody has any suggestion regarding to that?

So I'm new to the site, have a rack that I'm planning/building out. I have a full 9u rack with a bunch of stuff and now have a 6u rack I'm working on. Anyways, I'm basically looking for some thoughts on a comparison of ALM's Pamela's Workout and MFB's SEQ-03. I currently have a Workout, and really like it. I use it mainly for the clock inputs on my Z8000. However, in my new 6u rack, I've just put in a Rene. The SEQ-03 is a bit big, but has a few more triggers. It also looks like it has some extra functionality, and it's not just clock triggers, but a variety of types of triggers like CV and AD envelope I guess. I feel like I want maybe some LFO power in the rack, but maybe with the SEQ-03 I wouldn't really need it? I've tried to research how to really use the SEQ-03 but still don't quite grok it in fullness. I'm kind of confused on the 'tracks'. Are there 4 rows of 4 steps? And each row is a different trigger type? The Workout, for the size and money, seems like it will do most anything I would want and leave room for other modules, but I heard a good plug for the SEQ-03, so it peaked my interest. So yea, any thoughts on the two, or perhaps there is another module that is recommended. The Trigger Riot is too big, so I'm not really considering that for this rack, but maybe the next :) Thanks for the feedback.

happy to report the selling 3 modules,one of which got to its new owner today and the other 2 are on their way to a new master in norway.
i'm very pleased with how this is working out

extra knobs !!! YES
the design is getting better all the time

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EDITED Feb 2nd 2015, 03:19

Yes to me it didn't make sense that there were two type of logic. As I'm now used to the way kyma modules work, where you can connect anything to anything no matter what.

Thanks both of ya for making it more clear! ;)

:)
Re: Logic. - I just didn't want the OP to confuse the two forms of logic, as he's a euro newcomer. Synth terms like these aren't really known/used outside of modular synths.

• It's not that it's 'programmable' it's just CV controlled.
  ....... (o_0) "The Plog module comprises two programmable logic sections ..."
  i get your point i think you misunderstood what i mean by "programable" as opposed to hardwired
  when i use logic i like very basic hardwired ports

• with Wogglebug and Math you have good logic

• -- FSK1138
• That's not the same kind of logic.

...........i never said it was the same.. i said it was good

glad we can agree on the A-151 rev2 :)
cheers

EDITED Feb 1st 2015, 20:45

there was a recently added module from Shakmat - Bishop Miscellany [Dual Stepped CV Gate Recorder]
there is no video on the module page. there IS one on youtube. it really should be on there. though a proto in the video, its still awesome. the vid should really be on the page.

id like to know is it possible to add a video link to a module so long as its relevant to the piece. or is there a way to submit one for approval?

here is the link i found on youtube.

thanks

EDITED Feb 1st 2015, 19:08

This might come. Currently everything is tied to modules, because that's the way the database works.

Very cool, but didn't see any way to sell cases. Will that be an option in the future?

EDITED Feb 1st 2015, 14:07

i have used the Plog and i really don't like it :(
something just rubs me wrong about programmable logic
-- FSK1138

It's not that it's 'programmable' it's just CV controlled. That leads to very interesting patterns that aren't static if you took the output from just one logic type. But besides that, it includes flip flop logic, which is super creative and helps in building complex, constantly changing patches. The only other logic module (especially in a smaller firm) with the basics + flip flop is the Animodule LogicOgic.

sort of defeats the whole point
with Wogglebug and Math you have good logic
-- FSK1138

That's not the same kind of logic. There's voltage logic for pulling out the peaks or inverting a combination of CV signals (maths) and there's 'digital' (on and off state) gate logic. The wogglebug outputs a clock and random burst triggers, but it has nothing to do with mixing and combining triggers.

i found the A-151 rev2 to be really useful EXPANDER
you can clock it off maths or the Wogglebug or the cock divider
or even a LFO
and it can act as 2,3,4 to 1 out or 1to2,3,4 out
and you have a manuel switch
fun time fun time :) !!
-- FSK1138

That I agree with. Sequential switches are a lot of fun. You can even turn it into a pitch sequencer if you put offset voltages into the inputs (like for instance, the 4 Center channels of your maths)
They're also handy for feeding it different clock speeds and switching between them for ratcheting effects.

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very good ,,, i would even be interested in 1/8 version in 1MU moog format
i really like the new design
-- FSK1138

Glad that you like it. 1MU might be possible. It would not change the design very much, but we might not be able to fit 4 knobs per channel. 3 would fit though.

i have used the Plog and i really don't like it :(
something just rubs me wrong about programmable logic
sort of defeats the whole point
with Wogglebug and Math you have good logic
i found the A-151 rev2 to be really useful EXPANDER
you can clock it off maths or the Wogglebug or the cock divider
or even a LFO
and it can act as 2,3,4 to 1 out or 1to2,3,4 out
and you have a manuel switch
fun time fun time :) !!

EDITED Feb 1st 2015, 07:24

A Fenix planner? come on!

Looks like a good deal. Simple and generous!

Thanks for all your help and suggestions exper! I'm sure there will be follow ups in the future ;)

The power busses are 2 x TipTop Audio Zeus Studio Busses, one in lower row and one in mid row. I will wait with the upper row until I get modules there - won't last long I imagine. I got the TipTop Audio Cincon 4.6A Power Supply to run both busses, it can drive up to three busses so I am safe with the upper row when I upgrade.

I got it from Rubadub in the UK.

The wogglebug would give you noise if you ramped the speed up to audio rate, but then you no longer have slow/stepped random. Just noise.

My random of choice is the SSF URA. It has a ton of random outputs, 3 stepped (one can be slewed) a smooth "flux" random, random gates, vactrol slew, etc. On that one, if you ramp it up to audio rate, the output of channel A becomes noise, while everything else can still be clocked externally. I also have a Quantum Rainbow 2 as noise. The different colored outputs are all very useful.

You have also noise in the disting as well, BUT, you can't keep counting on that for all of your utilities. It can only do one at a time! ;)

Ha I though the Wogglebug could generate Noise as in audio noise as well. I guess I'm wrong then. I'm used to Kyma where noise is noise.

I know I saw you are a big Intellijel fan ;)

Oh good heads up. Makes perfect sense. Replaced!
Regarding logic do you mean something like Plog?
-- Tazio

Plog is definitely good, my choice actually along with some 2hp ORs for extra. Looking like a good system (your updated one, not the one above), I'd suggest perhaps a noise source and something like an optomix and you should be set.

Good choice on the Shapeshifter btw. Its a sound designer's dream. I have 2 actually. Because its so versatile, it never feels redundant.

Oh good heads up. Makes perfect sense. Replaced!
Regarding logic do you mean something like Plog?

EDITED Jan 31st 2015, 15:12

Lamond handles the Goike designs in the UK. I would contact him, he's a super nice guy.

Maths logic is of the cv processing variety, not on/off (AND/OR/XOR) gate logic.

And I hate to say it, but that's the least useful clock divider in euro imo. It divides the opposite way you'd exist and has extreme divisions. If you want to keep it in 4hp I'd recommend the circuit Abbey g8 or animodule Tiktok which does both multiplication and division.

Oh man! I'm so sold on the Goike. There shouldn't be any power issues right? I'm in the Uk at the moment.
As for the comparator the Disting has one and math should cover logic. Some switches would be nice for sure.

I've added a Clock divider and an Audio Input/Pre I really felt in the need for.

EDITED Jan 31st 2015, 13:58

Looks marvelous! And those power busses are Doepfers?

Thanks for you feedback exper!
I was under the impression that the Wogglebug would generate clock, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Great tip on the Hubs I did not know about those, I'll get one or two along with the stackcables.
Regarding the 104hp could you point me out some? I was set with the PM Cell 90 because they seemed good for width and price tag.
Also, what utilities were you thinking about?
-- Tazio

The wogglebug can generate a clock, but I'm referring to division/multiplication, etc. Things get interesting when you ping filters, delay speeds, etc at different speeds. Something like a Pamela's Workout could clock everything there, and give you probability randomization, offsets, etc.

As for case, what country are you in? There's lots of good options from 4ms, Goike, lamond (UK/eur) etc. I had a pgh 48 case, and the cost savings were not worth some of its hassles. Power wouldn't work with some modules, case was not the full size, making it off a half an hp. It also weighed a TON, even for the half size one, as pgh usea steel instead of aluminum like Goike and 4ms.
For utilities, logic, comparator, switches, etc.

A word of caution on the Echophon, it didn't go fully dry, the wet signal is always there a bit. Also there's a bug in that if you externally clock it, and stop the clock, the echophon will jump the delay speed to the fastest setting. It's quite jarring. I replaced my extortion with a Modcan dual delay and couldn't be happier. No pitch shifting, but super flexible.

Thanks! Yes, it's a 9U/104HP handmade walnut case from Germany made by Weedywhizz. The craftsmanship of the case itself is stunning... absolutely quality work with oiled finish and everything prepared in the case so it's just a matter of mounting the power busses to the preassigned bolts.

I guess you are right about the blank panels, I got some from Schneidersladen arriving soon and I won't need half of them now due to planned expansion.

EDITED Jan 31st 2015, 13:02

Sure, Echophone, somehow I missed that... Never used it, but might at some time..

Solitude thanks for replying!
With this setup I thought the Echophon could be a good choice, it reminds me a lot SoundToys's Crystallizer which I'm really fond of. Along with that sits the Jomox unit which packs an open feedback structure with some more fun features.
I tried to limit myself to only start with that much hp available. Of course a Brains and a Seq would be nice, but maybe in the future perhaps. I though PPs could be used as a mini 4 steps sequencer, am I wrong?

EDITED Jan 31st 2015, 12:44

Cool Rack, is this custom made?
Also blank panels are never a wise investment ;)

Thanks for you feedback exper!
I was under the impression that the Wogglebug would generate clock, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Great tip on the Hubs I did not know about those, I'll get one or two along with the stackcables.
Regarding the 104hp could you point me out some? I was set with the PM Cell 90 because they seemed good for width and price tag.
Also, what utilities were you thinking about?

And yes I'm a delay lover.
-- Tazio

Where is it? I have still to find an affordable stereo Euro digital delay myself.
Also maybe rethink your decision to not use a sequencer. In modular you can and should sequence not only notes but everything else too. The envelopes of your Maths, waves of the oscillator, etc.
Since you already have the Pressure Points, maybe a Brains would be a simple solution to do that.
Also what Exper says: clock source.

For one thing, you probably won't need the buffered multi. All make noise modules (wogglebug, PPs, Maths, etc have buffered outputs already. Use stackable or Intellijel hubs to save space. I'd also stretch to a 104hp case, so you could throw in a LPG, and some other utilities. Even perhaps a clock source.

Anybody? :)

Cheers

very good ,,, i would even be interested in 1/8 version in 1MU moog format
i really like the new design

yes 4 channels would be good - that is what i thought when i first looked at the unit

thanks for clearing up the the breakout boards :) i was thinking this would take up a row (84hp)

as for the internal or external screen ?
isn't the ipod connected via lightning jack ?
or is it integrated in into the unit ?

-- FSK1138

The iPod will be integrated from the inside but should be easily removable. We will make sure that you can plug it from one of the faceplate's USB boards as well. But from a user interface standpoint, having it inside will be nicer, because the graphical user interface can be aligned with the channel's knobs.
-- ishizeno

I have decided to follow your advice and make the iPod Touch an external component. In fact, I am removing it entirely and replacing it with a built-in Raspberry Pi that will act as web server, serving the UI to any external device over WiFi. More on this on my blog:

https://ishizeno.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/no-more-ipod-touch/

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Fixed a long time bug, where screenshots in the patch editor did not change when you edited the rack.
This should work now.