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Found some querying inconsistencies in the Module Finder when it comes to modules listed under the "Other/unknown" manufacturer:
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-- drohn

"other/unknown" is excluded on purpose which makes sense to me.
There is a hint when you have 0 search results as well:

hey @echobravo,

I'm super duper interested in this project of yours, and I wanted to know if and how you reached your objective in the end ?

Found some querying inconsistencies in the Module Finder when it comes to modules listed under the "Other/unknown" manufacturer:

• go to Modules
• as an example, type "corruptelam" in the Search box, don't modify any of the other search criteria
• note how the module is not found
• then select the "Other/unknown" manufacturer, now the module is found
• feel free to try out with other module names (e.g., "fluxus duo"), you'll observe the same behavior

It seems the modules listed under "Other/unknown" are only found when you also select this manufacturer whereas expected behavior (by me) would be that these also appear if you just search on their name only and leave the manufacturer blank (-). Which is how it works for all modules that are attached to their actual manufacturer (e.g., I can search for "koszalin" and get the correct result even without selecting "Xaoc Devices" as the manufacturer).

StudioOne84 contacted me twice for a module, i even was ok with his "40€ less" offer (250 instead of 289)
but both times his communication was really bad, sporadic answers, wrong email for photos (i did send them again to the right one) and both times he stopped it at the point when he would have to pay.

Completely unreliable and just a waste of time.

In case he claims somthing different here i can post the complete mails.

EDITED Feb 20th, 19:13

HI Where are you based, I have two of them and may consider parting with one as I am thinking about going outboard with my mixing. Send me a PM ta.

I was looking at that Cosmix also but as it's now older model it's not so easy to find...
I got this instead which is similar (I also like having mutes on hand)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/g-storm-electro-influx
-- Traxam

That would work, but also not available for me at the moment, unfortunately.

EDITED Feb 1st, 12:23

Leaving the first month of the year with low blood pressure. 😊

I was looking at that Cosmix also but as it's now older model it's not so easy to find...
I got this instead which is similar (I also like having mutes on hand)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/g-storm-electro-influx

Many thanks too you guyz you all clearly know your stuff you have been very helpful indeed I'm going to study your advice and make the changes you all recommend

You could just get a 1010 Bluebox (standalone version) and use the space on more goodies.
-- Zacksname

This definitely looks like it has everything I need and more. Although, I'm not sure if I can handle all the menus and pages between that and the Perfomer. I'm building this rack mostly to get away from the PC and to gain hands-on control, so excuse me if I'm a little apprehensive with this one. But, thanks anyways! This will definitely be the choise if I want to expand for recording.

You could just get a 1010 Bluebox (standalone version) and use the space on more goodies.

Awesome, thank you!

Hey, as I overflew answers, I'd say: I cannot add anything new. But I can push what was said before:
Looking at your rack before even looking at the answers shows, that you may have started out with the want of "experimental drones" and have a sweetspot for those gnarly "integrated" droners (I do and there is no shame in that :P).

Considering "techno" can be very different from taste to taste (I think we just leave the genre-discussion aside as far as possible to stay out of hypergeeking here :-D ), I'd say, if you want to combine that seemingly big interest in droning with structured machinized beats, you can ditch some modules in favour of VCAs - and mind you that Mixers and VCAs in the most classical sense differ from being controllable via external voltages (envelopes regularly). - With some more VCAs at hand, you can easily create a ducking-effect with an inverted envelope, which is good for the kick to persist in a droney techno-patch. If I had that system in front of me, I'd get rid of some soundsources, just in my personal taste, the relation between them and what else you have, feels a bit unbalanced.

For sequencing, I see Pam's and the Moskwa, which feels like a pretty good point to start, especially with technoid repetition. I personally prefer having some Logic-modules to create a few more intricate rhythms more easily, but: Pam's New Workout has Logic in it, so you don't necessary need a logicmodule to have that kind of fun.

Also: ADSRs are nice in conventional synthesizers with keyboard-input, but with more percussive stuff, snappier modules like your Pipslope will do great. Maybe add a cyclical modulationsource (an LFO or you look into your oscillators, some can go into sub-audiorates well enough).

Sad to hear that you think about getting rid of the Grendel, I think that is quite a capable voice for all things "not that melodic" and a strong ground for building dense audio.

Adding to that: I once started out with collecting modules and trying to get as much as possible - which was interesting and tought me valuable techniques, at first. I have later on sold so many modules with a relation of around "4 sold, one new bought". Gave me the opportunity to slowly get to more functional modules, to pick certain ones that are so good as tools that I have 2, 3 or even more of the same one. Take for example a filter: there's some nice ones at good value which then have less cv-patchpoints and therefore are not as versatile, allthough greatsounding.

And here, for a bit of inspiration, a few top picks, I would slap into that case without hesitation:
- Intellijel Quad VCA -> 4 VCAs, normalization to use as a monomixer, switchable response, boost-switch, attenuator in front of the CV-input per VCA (some might now go for other VCAs because of their soundquality, but I think, they sound great and give your system a very good jump upwards in possibilities)
- Make Noise Maths -> yeah I know, boring recommendation but considering price and usage, in case of what you already have, this would also really improve your possibilities big time/ otherwise: stock up on your Pipslopes for example to have a reliable point to come back to
- a Frap Tools 321 -> for all those operations on voltages that are not exciting but help you getting most of your control-voltages (and can also be used as a simple mixer...for good measure)

And now, after all that rambling about, I realize, I could just copy your rack and configure it...wait...

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2468014.jpg

EDITED Jan 31st, 19:38

Thanks for the in depth response dude I'll will read into it more and think about rearranging some modules for more envelops.. Do you recommend more vca? Or is the divkid/dopfeer and mixsix enough.. I think I will sell the grenadel drone commander
-- dougie834

No problem. Yes, I would recommend more VCAs. A module like the Intellijel Quad VCA is a great start - 4 different ones with lots of options to try your VCA in many different applications. It's good for CV or audio. Plus it's normalized so you can mix outputs together (though it is notably different from the 6x Mix, which I recommend keeping).

Maybe take a look at other ones as well and see what works best for you and whether or not you might also want a separate attenuation/offset/polarization module like a Happy Nerding 3x MIA or a Tiptop Audio MISO. It's good to just look up the popular modules in these categories and read the manuals, look at the descriptions, and also check out the panels to see what they do or don't have - this will tell you more about how to use them and what's available than just the category they're sold under. Even the ones you don't buy will help you understand the concepts clearer.

However, for now the Quad VCA is a good one for now that is considered reliable and can adapt to your needs as you progress. That's my personal suggestion. Currently, I have a Frap Tools 321, but that's not voltage controlled and I might have the Intellijel module or a MISO myself if I could spare the extra 4 HP.

Thanks for the in depth response dude I'll will read into it more and think about rearranging some modules for more envelops.. Do you recommend more vca? Or is the divkid/dopfeer and mixsix enough.. I think I will sell the grenadel drone commander

This rack grew continuously over the past couple of weeks by basically buying the best used deals I could while keeping it somewhat coherent. So I want the remaining few modules to really glue everything together. The rack started as a ways to extend my Mother 32 and DFAM, which I'll probably always have besides it. The goal is a versatile groovebox that can do techno and house, but also ambient music mostly in jams. I'm actually a little concerned that this rack is not immediate and playable enough, but so far I've had a lot of fun with this, even without the Performer arriving yet.

I'm only missing the Milky Way, Pico DSP, Cosmix, Plaits and Ooots to complete this rack, so those are still up for discussion, I guess.

I'm pretty sure I want Plaits and the Milky Way. Great sound and versatility.

I put Ooots in there because I want that headphone out and (albeit very limited) EQ.
With multiple stereo outputs, I thought I might as well get a stereo mixer with Cosmix. I also like having mutes on hand.
The Pico DSP is just in there because I was looking for a 3HP module to fill the gap, but I might just swap it for a modulation, utility or drum module.

Now, I'm having trouble obtaining a reasonably priced Cosmix and I'm unsure about the Ooots and Pico DSP. Any ideas on a mixer that would fit this? Am I missing something else here? Feedback would be greatly appreciated :)

You can also bring the icon back in the user settings under Planner Menu Preferences
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/users/edit

I have one and find it limiting as it really needs a good sequencer. Love Furthrrrr Generator but plan to sell it as I am not really using it that much. The weird icons and way of working with it is a bit of a pain. Sounds great but I prefer different modules in my other case.

[https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1802754.jpg
I have built the rack up without any real thought to create techno beats what would I need to change as in get rid of and replace
be ruthless if you like..

thanks for the in depth resonce I really appretiate it..I do most of what you have suggested vco/ filter/mixer but looking at your post I think I have problems useing envolopes ! im unsure where to use them and when ? can you advise me cheers
-- dougie834

As stated above by Jim, envelopes commonly open VCAs (as well as filters) to articulate sounds - this is what makes a sound start and stop on its own. When you use the Moskwa on an oscillator, the "gate out" goes to the "gate" input on the envelope, and the envelope goes to the filter/vca. With the filter cutoff or VCA gain turned all the way down, this should make the envelope control when, how, and for how long the sound coming through plays.

I assume you bought three drone devices because you love drones, but for now I feel like selling one or two of them to finance some basic useful stuff might help (even if you have the money to throw at this, I would at least recommend focusing on fewer sound sources for now). As stated above by Jim, VCAs and attenuators/attenuverters are big here. They basically let you control amounts of stuff (modulation or audio) and make your system more fun by giving you more knobs and more control. Make sure to look up the difference between VCAs, attenuators, attenuverters, and all that so you're not amplifying stuff too loud or not enough. I use a Frap Tools 321 and I like it a lot, but there are a ton of these (including a great cost-effective one from the company who makes your mixer and FX, Happy Nerding.

You might also consider a big function generator like Maths or the Tiptop Buchla 281t. These modules provide a bunch of simple envelopes that can loop as LFOs, be used as triggers and other sort of interlinking functions (hence the name) and can help animate your system more and give you options that work together. Pamela's New Workout is a great source of modulation/clock/sequencing for a techno setup, but having something more hands-on and less buried in menus will complement that nicely and allow you to get more freeform in switching between types and shapes of modulation.

One other utility I might suggest for you is some kind of quantizer. This will allow you to use essentially anything to sequence notes in your system, from LFOs to envelopes to whatever. Especially when it comes to improvising techno, this can help you a lot in terms of variations.

One last tip: sample and hold modules are not only a classic source of modulation that I recommend researching, but if you get one with CV and trigger inputs, you can run your mix or a single sound through it and send something at audio rate to the trigger to create an analog version of a "bitcrush/downsampling" effect. I love bitcrushers, but unless the Doepfer one has a specific sound you love, you could get a decenr sample and hold somewhere and basically have two modules in one. Modular is full of instances like this where something boring and technical is actually a simpler and more efficient way of doing something than a module built for one purpose.

new release!!! v0.1.48
https://github.com/mebitek/performer/releases/tag/0.1.48

• Moving steps in a sequence
• INIT by step selected
• smart cycling on patter follow modes (check if launchpad is connected)
• Show launchpad settings only when a launchpad is connected
• Apply random for selected steps only
• double click page to enter context menu for 2 seconds
• Prevent very short output clock pulses at higher BPMs
• Undo function (alt+s7)
• Curve mode backward run modes play reverse playback
• Bypass the Voltage Table in specific steps of the sequence

as always, please open issues on github and share your experience with the custom firmware.
don't forget to rate the project to gitub!!!
enjoy

[https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1802754.jpg
I have built the rack up without any real thought to create techno beats what would I need to change as in get rid of and replace
be ruthless if you like..

once again - please make your rack public and post the url - so we can actually see what's in there... jpgs are really crap for this!!!

thanks for the in depth resonce I really appretiate it..I do most of what you have suggested vco/ filter/mixer but looking at your post I think I have problems useing envolopes ! im unsure where to use them and when ? can you advise me cheers
-- dougie834

Re envelopes: use them to open vcas (you don't have enough of these!!) - to pass audio (to shape notes) or modulation that is fed into the vca - and as modulation sources - probably via ayyenuators/attenuverters (again something you don't have enough of!)

[https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1802754.jpg
I have built the rack up without any real thought to create techno beats what would I need to change as in get rid of and replace
be ruthless if you like..

thanks for the in depth resonce I really appretiate it..I do most of what you have suggested vco/ filter/mixer but looking at your post I think I have problems useing envolopes ! im unsure where to use them and when ? can you advise me cheers

Smart transaction with @braekbaet
Recommended!

I randomly came across this module: hilarious!

Has anyone tried one live yet, as a piece of self-destructive performance art (ala Banksy's self-destructing painting a few years back...)?

...end-of-show, show-stopper, melt everything down live~!

(Maybe it'd have to be end-of-tour vs. merely end-of-show...to keep costs reasonable. )

Actually, I'd be satisfied if anyone has tried it, even if in a small skiff. Anyone got links to a vid?
-- Jukeshoe

Hey there, our friends / scientific rivals at Molasses Industries make an informative, nuanced, and prudent review + test of the CF back when we first released it. Not sure if you can embed IG posts here so here's a link to their review.

-- Wildfire_Laboratories

Thanks for the link. I just stumbled across the same thing via modwiggler, but I appreciate it! :)

Awesome concept...I see from the modwiggler thread I wasn't the only one to draw Banksy parallels.

Well done, conceptual masterpiece! :)

An interesting unit based on a research paper, creates long-period (up to 30 seconds) to audio range oscillations.
Straightforward build, and interesting uses. If you want some chaotic voltage changes, some evolving over a food bit of time, this is a unit for you. I can certainly see it in a drone or background underlay.

Build

I randomly came across this module: hilarious!

Has anyone tried one live yet, as a piece of self-destructive performance art (ala Banksy's self-destructing painting a few years back...)?

...end-of-show, show-stopper, melt everything down live~!

(Maybe it'd have to be end-of-tour vs. merely end-of-show...to keep costs reasonable. )

Actually, I'd be satisfied if anyone has tried it, even if in a small skiff. Anyone got links to a vid?
-- Jukeshoe

Hey there, our friends / scientific rivals at Molasses Industries make an informative, nuanced, and prudent review + test of the CF back when we first released it. Not sure if you can embed IG posts here so here's a link to their review.

I randomly came across this module: hilarious!

Has anyone tried one live yet, as a piece of self-destructive performance art (ala Banksy's self-destructing painting a few years back...)?

...end-of-show, show-stopper, melt everything down live~!

(Maybe it'd have to be end-of-tour vs. merely end-of-show...to keep costs reasonable. )

Actually, I'd be satisfied if anyone has tried it, even if in a small skiff. Anyone got links to a vid?

I guess you would have to make a new module entry such as "Blinds (new specs)" to reflect that.

I see three standard(ish) VCOs with two filters, three drone machines that may not need a filter/vca, and the Pico Drum and Tiptop Audio One for samples. Are you plugging them all into the mixer at once? I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but it seems like even if you trigger a kick on the Pico/One and then plug a couple drone machines into the 6x Mix and just let them run without even worrying about envelopes/filters/etc for them, that would already be doing a fair bit.

What do you do when you patch the MCO or Loquelic? Do you just do a standard subtractive patch (VCO into filter being opened by an envelope?) I think if you did that with a VCO for a bassline or lead, sequenced it with the Moskwa, and then just plugged that in the 6x Mix with one or two of the drone machines and one of the samplers (being triggered by the Pam's), you could run all this stuff at once pretty easily, clocking it with Pam's for consistency.

Once you break each voice down to its essential parts, I think it'll be clearer to you that you have a lot going here (and probably at least one too many drone machines - or maybe too many things that aren't drone machines). I would start by trying to patch each voice using as few elements as possible and see what you have left each time. Focus on one simple thing at a time and build the layers that way.

There are options! Try www.reverb.com which is full of musicians selling stuff to buy stuff from other musicians in sort of
a cake-walk way, lol.

Hi! There's no option to put cases on Marketplace, so if its not a problem, i offer it there :)

I've got 2x Sinusoda The Can (52HP + extra on sides 3U) in mint condition!
The Can on Thoman

Ive used it only few times so its like brand new, also both of them have Juice - which can power lot more cases itself, and both of them would not be a limit for your setup ;)!

Price - 199€ for 1, 375€ for both and 10€ for europe shipping.
Also, i sell modules which left!

Thanks!

I seam unable to create several separate sounds at once

Hi guys, it was couple of months I sold my full 12U system but I still miss the patching and the intuitive part of it that i cant get from DAW. What do you think of shuttle system as only system to work with? How versataile is it? Is it enough to only use that as my system?

cheers

Patch notes in the video description. Comments welcome.
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A filter bank is always nice. The Serge ResEQ is popular and has a lot of character and charm.

That ResEQ is gorgeous and it now feels inevitable that I'll have to find room for one at some point

As for filters, definitely get one with enough room to have fun - this is one of those things you'll always fiddle with and it needs to be accessible. Personally, I'd look at a dual/stereo one or even one with more resonant peaks (like the QPAS or the Vostok Atlas)

Loving the Atlas. Looks like you could get very creative with it. Another great recommendation

One thing I like to use a lot for effects is a Moog Mavis synthesizer, which can be taken out of its enclosure and mounted in a Eurorack case.
-- Zacksname

This is kinda leftfield, and something I really hasn't considered but I like the idea.
Thanks for all your suggestions.

Each of the modules or types of modules you listed could contribute to your objective. To produce 'generative ambient stuff' I would also suggest Sloths and/or Diode Chaos. That said, Zadar+Nin and Morphagene would be my priority. I must say that they have today established themselves at the center of my setup when it comes to generative and ambient music, and in many other styles...

Hi,
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/qu-bit-electronix-prism
A mix between multimode filter and delay, it is not 100% a filter, but I think it has a lot to give.
It will be my next acquisition.

If you want a bunch of other stuff in there and are considering a 321, you might also look at a small dual LPG like the Takaab or Meng Qi ones. I have both. I particularly recommend the Takaab one for the mode switches and how ungodly cheap it is, but the Meng Qi one is popular and sounds great. I use them with a 321 for some control and it's a great dual LPG setup for cheap that can open up some new signal paths for your modules with a specific character you can't get from the 130-8.

Also, instead of an oscillator (or alongside it), I might recommend a humble noise source. In combination with the LPG/VCA and the Wogglebug audio sources you could get some great percussion going in a small space with stuff you already have. The Verbos Noise & Filter is a unique device for this purpose - you could use the filter bank with the noise or any other sound source.

I mean, you can make techno with a single monosynth. It's not really a system issue, I'd say - all the pieces are here, and any extras may just be your personal taste.

Have you noticed any problems while playing it, or does it just not get you as inspired as you expected? Do you play it much.

A filter bank is always nice. The Serge ResEQ is popular and has a lot of character and charm.

A simple ring modulator is also a good investment.

As for filters, definitely get one with enough room to have fun - this is one of those things you'll always fiddle with and it needs to be accessible. Personally, I'd look at a dual/stereo one or even one with more resonant peaks (like the QPAS or the Vostok Atlas), but go with your heart on this one - listen to tons of examples and do absolutely play some at stores. Another option is the Instruo Traigh, which isn't necessarily cheap but features a three input mixer and a nice classic ladder filter sound. A used one will probably be a decent price.

One thing I like to use a lot for effects is a Moog Mavis synthesizer, which can be taken out of its enclosure and mounted in a Eurorack case. For a fairly decent price you get an iconic filter, a wavefolder, a sample and hold that can be used for a bitcrushing/downsampling effect, an oscillator/LFO combo with crazy range that can be used for either thingfor built in normalized FM and other cool modulation (or just running some nice Moog voices under what you do), as well as built in mixing, multing, and an attenuator. The keyboard isn't ideal for playing, but the CV from it can be routed to other sources so it can be used to trigger events in your modular system apart from regular notes. If you had specifically asked for a synth I may not have recommended it specificslly, but it's a great package for this specific purpose as well as being a very good synth if you decide you want to fold that in as well.

Today I wanted to record a video with a modular patch and singing. Unfortunately I have a bad cold and lost my voice. So I created a self generative ambient patch. Generative music can be very sooting and meditative, great when you are stressed (or when you have a cold ;) ) Please enjoy!

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Hi all.

I'm pretty new to all this and am currently replacing my digital piano through effects pedals rig to a digital piano through modular effects rig. So far I have what you can see here -

I definitely want to add some kind of filter but not sure which one yet. I need to get down to my local store and play around with a few. I'm wondering about another effects module though. I like reverb and the Otterley covers that pretty well. I like drones and the EP covers that pretty well. I like granular and the Uburst covers that pretty well. I also like delay with 'character' and loopers. I've looked at Morphagene and that looks like fun, as does the Pladask Dradd - though they are pretty hard to get hold of.

I like to make pretty chilled out stuff, along Eno and Budd kind of lines but mixed with a bit more avant garde droney textures and substances. Maybe there are interesting modules out there that aren't among the better known models. Some of the Instruo things look great but they're kinda pricey. Any pointers or other comments about where I'm going with this rig so far would be welcome.

cheers!

Just updating to point out that I just found the keyboard shortcuts include the Flip option by hitting the f key.

Thanks!

Haha, yeah mind the wolves!!

This option used to be there in the panner, but recently I've noticed there is no option to do this anymore. Am I missing the option being toggled somewhere in settings, or did this option just get removed for some reason?

Hi @dougie834,

It will be a huge help for other people who might be able to provide some assistance if you make your rack public (rather than private) and paste the URL of your rack's page directly into your post.

Also to clarify, do you already own all of these modules and have this much rackspace available?

[https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1802754.jpg
I have built the rack up without any real thought to create techno beats what would I need to change as in get rid of and replace
be ruthless if you like..

My understanding is that Surgeon uses an Electro Harmonix looper for live looping (can't remember which one), and an Octatrack for some sequencing duties. I seem to remember reading that he doesn't especially care for the Octatrack, but keeps coming back to it for some reason or another. I can totally identify with that. I keep trying to incorporate Elektron gear with my modular stuff, and can never quite get into that flow.

Fantastic full moon jam! The wolves are not far away...

My advice if you want the full experience but don't want to expand too much? Get a semi-modular synth and then just buy modules to augment it. A Pico System III is a great one because it has so many pieces that can be used in different ways. The Quadrantid Swarm is a good one if you want something less traditional but still very musical. There are plenty of good options, and they can save you space in your rack.

Also consider something like an Empress Zoia or a Poly Hector (or even the non-Eurorack versions, which have MIDI outs and can interfave with the controls on your Sub37 in deep ways). One of those and some attenuation/mixing for hands-on control might scratch the itch for a long time. The Hector is also full of Mutable Instruments modules because they're open source, so you get a lot of classic modular in there.

There's also stuff like Ornament and Crime or the Disting modules, with lots of different tools in them that you can try. Not super hands on, but you don't always need that (or you can use attenuators to change this). If a function in there makes you want to go deeper, you can get a module from there.

Have you tried VCV Rack? I find it good for planning systems in addition to making music on it. You can get a sense of how things will sound and decide what you want more or less control over.

EDITED Jan 28th, 12:12