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EDITED Nov 2nd 2020, 10:06

Ok, you are reported for inciting and or threatening violence you psycho.

Just because you wrote it in Latin doesn't make it any less of a criminal offence.

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I specifically chose The Harvestman because I wanted to talk about The Harvestman modules not the new Industrial Music Electronics modules.

I love mine, they are hard work at times, but the rewards are there with patience and deeper understanding and appreciation for the finer qualities of these modules.

They are capable of producing the most lovely bell tones or the nastiest noise you will ever hear and everything in between.

They are also unobtanium - there's hardly anything available anywhere!

Any love for The Harvestman here? What is your favourite and why?

You now have 3 downvotes...

Looks like your trading days here are over!

Byeeeeeeeeeeee :)

You also have the cheek to trade on here and you don't support the platform?

You are totally out of order... at the very least you should be paying the €20 a year before you consider buying or selling anything here - to not do this is highly disrespectful!

Oh dear!

You are just making yourself look bad!

Youclearly didn't read my post, you are just whining and whining and whining...

and NO... won't shut up!

You shut up!

EDITED Nov 2nd 2020, 10:05

@farkas where I ended up more or less. Overall a much more compact setup.

And for a smaller rack I didn't want to go for such space eating oscillator (nevermind that the RS Serge NTO and the Generate 3 equal the size and cost of a Brenso. The NS Serge modules may make their way into an all Serge skiff at some point – I was intrigued by the rather old-school spacious panel layouts and do like the Serge sound).

Still weighing a Contour 1 vs a Falistri and whether I'll really use the FH-2 that much, or the Sapel for that matter. I definitely agree about the UI of Frap Tools panels (though I've also read they do, eventually, make sense)

Why are there no posts here!

Wonderful module...

Have you ever got tired of the monotonous repetitions that your standard delay pedal/module produced? Have you ever wished for a more complex rhythmic structure than just decaying repetition? If yes, you have come to the right place: the Tapographic Delay is an advanced effect that lets you handle repetition in a completely novel way. It is to a traditional delay what a full rhythmic sequencer (with pattern recall, velocity control, tactile input) is to a simple clock. With the TD, you interactively define the rhythm that the repetitions will follow: a velocity-sensitive sensor allows you to record, edit, modify, and sequence your own arrangements of delays. In a sense, the TD is the converse of the classic Frippertronics sound-on-sound setup popularized by Robert Fripp in the 70's: you don't play the guitar, you play the tape loop!

Multi-tap audio delay line with advanced features
Velocity-sensitive force sensor to tap the delay configurations (tapographies)
Up to 32 taps, each with its own delay time, amplitude/filter and panning
Low-pass filter or resonant (pingable) band-pass filter on each tap
Morphing between delay configurations, with adjustable morph time
Two different feedback paths: a Repeat toggle and a Feedback knob
Save and recall up to 24 delay configurations (4 banks of 6 slots each)
Tapography sequencer with forward, random walk or random directions
Synchronization to an external clock, with clock divider/multiplier
Gate output that plays the current rhythm of delays
Maximum delay time of 174 seconds (almost 3 minutes)
16 bits/48kHz with 32 bits floating-point internal processing, 1.3ms software latency
Mono-in, stereo-out operation

Wow... people can afford modules? You lucky lucky lucky lucky bastards!!

Grow up, it's a few euros and a scratchy knob that sounds like it needs some switch cleaner or at the very worst a £40 repair job!

People are dying from a virus, people are out of work, children are starving, I am on my fucking ass because I lost my work and haven't had any income since march, families are losing their loved ones, it's chaos...

And you are complaining like a spoiled brat about a little problem like this?

Please... get some perspective and start behaving like adults!

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Dark Ambient? Maybe consider Desmodus Versio instead of a clouds clone. Lots of potential there.
-- mowse

didnt knowabout that module deffo interesting thanks,put it on my to check list

@GarfieldModular I think you might have a future in science fiction along with modular, quite complimentary fields if you ask me! Maybe one day I too can go to Ylaolona K9E, if I do, I'll report back on the sights and sounds lol

Dark Ambient? Maybe consider Desmodus Versio instead of a clouds clone. Lots of potential there.

Nice to hear about how good the Modal Argon8 is as it would be fun to jam on one. I lost interest in Korg after they dropped the ball on the MS20 re-issue with overpriced special editions and so forth. WTF would I pay 1400 for the MS-20 FS re-issue when the mini does the job for a fraction of the price? Don't get me wrong- I love my SQ-1 and for under $100 does wonders for a simple immediate external battery powered modular step sequencer. Also love my old Korg Volcas those are superb and having external speaker built in with battery option is genius for jam machines. Not crazy on latest antics.

Just droning on 3 oscillators.

Is there a quick or easy way to check on the Argon8 itself to check the firmware version?
Kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

Yep...get into the Settings menu, then go to Settings-General, and you'll find the firmware indication.

And yes, DO read the V.2 manual first! https://www.modalelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/argon8_MANUAL_v2.pdf (there should be underscores before and after MANUAL, fyi...but the forum had other ideas). This has a lot of updates from the V.1 firmware, and there's some interesting things there. The synth LOOKS really basic...but the fact is, there's some major horsepower under the hood on this thing, and it's pretty easy to access. And one of the biggest 2.0 changes was the addition of MPE capability...so if you have an MPE controller on hand, this effectively kicks one of the Hydrasynth's bigger draws to the curb. No ribbon still...but hey, that'll just take a little more ingenuity to work around...for now.

EDITED Oct 31st 2020, 03:41

@Mike,

What an amazing setup! I am waiting for IME Stillson Hammer MK3 to come out and see what Scott adds to it. I like Metropolis but it only has one gate output a deal breaker for me. Eloquencer has 8 gate outs and many features as does the 512 Vector. In the short term, I may get a Beatstep Pro and pair that with a Keystep external sequencer for drums to avoid having to buy another large case right now.

@Garfield,

So do you have experience with WMD Metron? Does it not have various operation sequencer modes like reverse and ping pong?
I am waiting for covid to end so I can visit a synth shop and try out various modular sequencers as I hate returning gear.

EDITED Oct 31st 2020, 03:33

@Lugia,

Thanks, yeah it was hard to make decision as I don't find most smaller sequencers that useful and with my mixed results from Varigate 4+ in my Doepfer base rack, decided a powerful clock modulator paired with a sequential switch would be more useful in the long run. If I need to create focused dance techno, I can pull that off using my external Korg SQ-1 which is very immediate for powerful results. I could also feed the sound sources into the clock and switch and then to the sequencers for interesting patterns. I plan to try once the new modules arrive. I wanted a Doepfer Monster base and WMD Metron sequencer but they were both out of stock this week at stores so this works so I can order later on.

Hi Lugia,

Oh great, thanks, will keep that in mind. Is there a quick or easy way to check on the Argon8 itself to check the firmware version? Or should I just RTFM? :-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Trying to build a Eurorack synth to serve two purposes - 1) as a new voice for my DAW and 2) to use to create effects for my bass. First time trying this -- how far off am I? Will it work for both? Any specific module you'd switch out for something else? Thanks in advance.

Hi Troux,

You are not going to believe me anyway, but okay. So on 13rd of August Mowse managed to hyper-spaced me to planet Xydrtop 4A9, for our earthly understandings a pretty weird planet, but hey, we are not alone here, are we? ;-) Then you managed to hyper-spaced me to planet Ylaolona K9E, yet another jewel of a planet. Thanks to Zopple (commonly used "google" tool in hyper-space only not known here on earth) I can provide you with those names since they are translated from whatever they speak there.

You know, that's the amazing thing once you hyper-spaced away from earth, connect with your Zopple device and it doesn't matter what language you speak or with "whom" you talk, Zopple makes sure "everything" and everyone understands each other, really genius.

By all your previous music and from other members, I have been so much around that I forgot most other planet names but since you are asking, today it was Ylaolona K9E :-) Oh by the way in hyper-space (as we know it), light years as well as parsec are literally unknown beyond earth. In hyper space distance doesn't count so much since most of things are done by mind. So you can't compare it really but what you can imagine with your mind that's in hyper space a so called "doable distance" (aka reasonable distance). Imagine you want to go from planet Xydrtop 4A9 to Ylaolona K9E, right? Then you Zopple that and once you confirmed, my goodness you are already at Ylaolona K9E, it's really that simple!

The problem really is to get away from Earth into hyper space once arrived in hyper space, you actually can do really everything. Price? There is no really such thing as a "price" in hyper space, rather "service". You make use of Zopple, in return you provide a service and that can be anything, things/materials from Earth for example (but they are rather useless in hyper space i.e. low "service" value) or information exchange (rather high "service value").

What you need is music like yours to get away here from Earth and then things become rather easy. It's advisable to take a towel with you on hyper space travels though (please refer to The Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy from Douglas Adams).

I hope that helps your interest in hyper space, get away from earth, use Zopple, and you should be fine :-)

Kind regards, hyper-spaced Garfield.

Edit: Removed typo.

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Garfield: if you can locate one at a dealer that has the latest firmware revision, that's the one to check out. Plenty of neat surprises in there...

@mowse, that's just about all the endorsement I need, I like Make Noise's presentation and just their modules in general, really nice stuff.

@Lugia, I hear you, but for one reason or another (probably stemming from my love of the Serge ResEq) I just wanted an RES-4... sometimes we're not rational lol

@GarfieldModular, glad you enjoyed it, and thank for your listening as always, you'll have to tell me where you're going on these hyperspace journeys one day, sounds like quite the trip! Glad to hear you appreciated the interruptions too, they were actually accidents and kind of annoying at the time, but maybe I'll have to do that more often 🤔🤣

Hi Sacguy71,

Yes, the Eloquencer, Hermod, Metropolis, Metron or the Five12 Vector are all indeed very interesting candidates. Not sure if this is important to you, however you might want to consider checking if running mode (as in running beside forwards, also backwards, ping-pong, random, etcetera) can be changed? If yes, some might disappoint (Metron does that to me a bit) because they only can run forwards (like those Elektrons).

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Lugia,

Thank you very much for the detailed review on the Argon8, its pros. That gives me to think... I might give it a second test to see and check what you mean, giving it a second chance. I only need to get an opportunity to get to my local dealer, now with the virus stuff going on, I need to see if that's for this year still doable.

Thank you and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Steve,

Wow-hooooo-ho-ho-hooooo! That's a nice lengthy stretching track :-) Beautifully done and very enjoyable to listen at plus this hyper-spaced me even further from home than you usually do ;-)

And then, when I thought, that's it, it's not that's it, you are daring to interrupt very shortly and then continue with this nice drone sound, hoh! Yes! Nice!

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Gabor,

Oh wow! That's a nice track, I love your "industrial" sounds in it, makes it something special to me. Bit of a Kreidler touch of sound too :-)

Yes, nicely done, I wouldn't mind to hear more of something similar like this. Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Yeah, I agree. But you're NOT the Internet Police. If there's a dispute with a user here over a transaction from the forum, take that to the MODERATORS. That's why they're here.

Yep...that statement has everything to do with the pricing on the Cwejman stuff. If I'm going to drop $800-ish on a Eurorack filter, it needs to do EVERYTHING...up to and potentially including making coffee and kissing me in the morning. These are prices that I would associate with the expensive end of the West Coast, like Buchla, original Serge, etc. Not Eurorack.

Sure, there ARE some Eurorack modules that cost piles 'n' piles, but they're usually things like the Sinfonion, which are super-complex and pretty unique. But the RES-4 is so akin to the Jurgen Haible resonator...which tends to go for a lot less when you find it...that I think that dropping that much is a mistake. It's sort of like buying a Rolls-Royce: sure, it's expensive...but just like any other car, its value drops by 1/3rd when those tires hit the street for the first time.

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Still a smart addition. Even without a sequencer to pair the switch with, there's loads of possible uses for a 4 x 1 steppable switch in this. Bouncing between Kermit outputs, f'rinstance...

The Argon8? Lots of things...

1) Form factor. This thing's only about the general size of a Roland SH-101, but it's way more potent. Makes it a live MUST.

2) The rev.2 firmware. There's a few interesting surprises in there that really let you dive into the wavetable architecture, and more besides. Still exploring that...

3) Not as gimmicky. One screen for the UI, which is ultimately less distracting. Of course, this means that you lose the ribbon and the poly aftertouch, but I already have a fine old CS-80 for satisfying that itch. Or there's also the CME Xkey25 here, which is part of my multitrack DAW rig. And it's worth noting that the Hydrasynth's poly aftertouch feel was rather different from the CS-80, which I consider the "gold standard" for that, and that was offputting.

4) Modal apparently doesn't have total a-holes working as their regional reps. Also, requests for information from Modal don't result in "thank you for interesting in our suplime product of musical"-type form emails which convey less than zero info, which then necessitate further inquiries that wind up triggering one of the aforementioned a-holes.

5) I actually feel like the Modal does a better job at being closer to a pure wavetable machine than the Hydrasynth, and some of that is clearly due to a smarter UI. It's simple...just like the good ol' PPG Wave 2.3 I had was, and makes a nice complement to the Sledge 2.0, which is also VERY PPGish but...different.

And the clincher...6) It can take a dive to the floor from about 3 1/2 feet up and not only still work, but look as if nothing happened to it at all. Had a bit of an accident while reconfiguring the Jaspers vs Ultimate frankenstand, didn't faze the Argon8 one bit! To say the least, I'm impressed.

The Argon8 does require a good bit of getting used to, true. But so does the Hydrasynth. I'd just prefer to vote with my money as to what I'm willing to put up with out of a manufacturer, and Modal gets that.

Do WE need to hear this? This appears to be an issue between you and someone you dealt with, and nothing beyond that. Leave the rest of us OUT of this!

Vector or Eloquencer maybe Hermod or Metropolis for melodic stuff and WMD Metron for percussion/bass is what I would do at this point in time. I am waiting for the stores to get Metron back in stock as well as Doepfer monster base cases. Maybe for XMAS it will happen for me. For now, both my 6u racks are full of gear to use and learn.

Ah, ok. If price point is the thing then I totally get that.

Let me tell you, I -love- QPAS. I know some don't dig how Make Noise does presentation layer. I do dig it. This filter is just so much fun to ping, play, and patch. I like how the filter handles resonance. Knobs and layout are very comfortable. Downside? It's big. I don't mind. To me, it just plays and sounds so good.

So my second rack of 6U is almost complete and I took advantage of Halloween sales to add a clock, sequential switch, delay/reverb FX module with Mimeophon, and two fun sound modules. Here is what I have planned:

As you can see it is not perfect and I use external sequencers and plan for a larger third case in the future to add a larger sequencer, matrix mixer and more logic and support modules. But I think that with Kinks/Links, Hex VCA with attenuators/inverters and the Doepfer Sequential switch and Pamela New Workout for clocking, I have most things covered for a smaller setup.

Hi JimHowell1970,

Thanks a lot for your notes and your first impression and experience with the Fader Step. Of course with such a difference (Euro 600 versus Euro 120) one can't expect same functionality. I will keep this in mind.

May we hope for a nice track these days/weeks with your Fader Step to hear/see it? :-)

Thank you very much and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Lugia,

Of course, I go to test it (B 2600) at my local dealer first as well before buying it (if buying it).

You are totally right about testing it at your local dealer first. When I heard about ASM Hydrasynth I was wildly enthusiastic but when I finally tested it at my dealer, it wasn't that fantastic as I hoped for, hence I didn't bought it.

I must say, I had similar experience with the Argon 8, after testing it, I wasn't really impressed to be honest, even less impressed than I was about the ASM... I felt both disappointed me quite a bit. Let me see if I can find my test notes about Argon 8...

Yeah, I checked, generally not impressed by the building quality and user interface quality. The knobs I felt were too loose and the keyboard quality didn't impressed me either. Overall for that money I didn't feel it was worth it. I found one positive regarding the Argon8 though and that was the usage of the joystick, I liked to use the joystick of the Argon8. However for the overall value I decided it's not worth it for me to buy it.

But looks like you were pretty happy with it? What where the qualities that convinced you about the Argon8 that I perhaps overlooked?

Thank you and kind regards, Garfield.

I agree with Ftpyd, I think it should be at least like eBay, only buyer can put negative. Because this way the sellers will try to be good and respect the marketplace, not scamming here. if they do it quickly becomes obvious. Retaliatory feedback is no good, also if you avoid leaving negative because don't want a retaliation it doesn't work all the time. It is 98% of time the buyer that gets screwed so they should have the right for negative or no feedback, plus a short feedback description is good idea too.

Exactly I got the same doubt if the user rating really works got the same
Bought a broken module and the person who sold me give me dump down to me Hahahah

I don’t think it’s good system maybe better a written feedback like discogs it’s better

I traded a module with him and it went OK, however he left a bad rating without ever telling me why which makes me doubt how great the new user rating is. I asked him why he rated like that earlier today, no response. I checked my old tracking, he must have gotten the module fine, weeks ago.

User men_chine is a crook!

This is a warning to alert fellow wigglers about this person.
I paid for a module last month (PP f/f) and then he/she/it disappeared. men_chine is still active on Modulargrid, updates rack layouts etc and the ad is still up for that same module.

-- vytis

-- doomglue

-- Ftpyd

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Thanks @mog00, lots of good tunes on the board lately.

The problem is and has always been the amount of the refund : we agreed on 400 because of the pack, Paypal fee being your business, it has been clearly stated.
Talking about being correct, i do not think making false statements about the Optomix during PP dispute is correct.

This was really nice thanks for sharing.

just ordered theAI Synthesis matrix mixer today

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BTW, how do you like the QPAS @mowse? I've been eying one for awhile and hearing great things.