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In my honest opinion, O&C with the right firmware is more playable than Pam's - and also a totally different beast that doesn't really have the same purpose/function, in my mind at least. There's even different hardware, the OCP from Plum Audio looks pretty cool. I didn't try to learn all the modes at the same time, I'm not even sure I read about what each app does at least once, I just focus on a few for a time to add them to my "mental patching toolbox" and that's totally manageable I think, the journey of learning is fun, it's like exploring a new little utility module every few weeks/months.
If you want to have a look at what the Phazerville firmware looks like, SynthDad did a cool introduction into it and some of its modes:

Allow me to recommend again that you think about how you like to patch, what's working and what feels cumbersome or what you're not using so much for a question of interface, patching habits, etc.
Maybe you like the sound of the TD-3 filter and that's working for you, but you lack manual control and playable modulation in the rack ? In which case, instead of a filter you might not absolutely need, you could think about getting a matrix mixer, or one of those new Bastl Neo Trinity plus a 2-3hp VCA... Or maybe the discussion will just lead you to new patching ideas with the modules you already have and you'll leave a blank for some time while you figure out more about what feels missing to you. After all, that's often a good thing to do if you're in doubt, it's free and modular is not a race, you don't have to "finish your rack".
It's your custom instrument, so take your time to think about how you want it to be ;)

Thanks to @toodee and @Sweelinck, I also thought about another filter (I use my TD-3 currently for this purpose). Grainity looks promising ... I'm not sure about O & C and all the menu diving (I know, same thing with PAM ... but I love it!). On the other hand tons of cool features ...

Cheers, Ben

I'd say the same about my day job!

Hi thanks for your comment, we have created an offer to purchase 2 modules at a discounted price.This is for those who want to have a dual-mono configuration in the system.

I agree with @toodee. A 2nd filter would be a much better option than another oscillator. It allows better positioning in the sound spectrum (so your track is more 'readable'), it can tweak the sound in a way that an oscillator can't, and it can even become another source of sound (if really needed...) through self-oscillation. The choice of filter, however, will depend on your musical orientation...

been using it for a while and like it. problem is its sync. only way to sync is via usb c from computer. if used standalone/dawless the tempo setting is hidden in menu under start/stop button via press and hold, which sux extremely. also 8 outs only is painfull along its huge array of functions > 8x cv/gate/funtion sequencing +++. it could easyly use 16 or more outs, especially if used as master cloc ...

EDITED Jan 17th 2024, 13:24

Why oh why, is this not stereo! :...(

Hi there !
I'm not sure adding another sound source is what your rack needs TBH - even if I would wholeheartedly recommend the TsL as it's a really great little VCO, quite powerful for its size - you already have 3 !
Personnally I'd add a filter - for example I just acquired the new Grainity, and it's amazing. It can be a filter, a sound processor, or both, depending on how you use it.
Another good candidate would be an O&C, the Phazerville firmware really brings it to a "desert-island" level module IMO, and it brings enough new functionality to your rack to stay relevant even having Pam's in there already.
There's also matrix mixers, they're often recommended for a good reason, AI Synthesis offers theirs as a kit, a very nice first soldering project if you want to try your hand at DIY.
These are mere suggestions based on my own preferences though, ultimately your question can only be answered by yourself: what are you currently missing when you patch ? Why are you thinking about the modules you mentioned (TsL and Ochd Expander) ? Answering this will help others help you ;-)
Take care !

All Ladik modules have a very good quality/price ratio. Regarding this quantizer, it depends on what you need. But it fulfills the basic functions.

Ok Thanks Ferranadsr
As I'm a newbie. is this a good quantizer (price/qualtity)?

Sometimes he takes a while to respond to emails, he does everything, designs, manufactures, etc... I have made several orders and everything has always arrived on time. On its website it already warns that it sometimes takes time to respond to emails. But everything has gone well for me with him.

Thanks, there is no response to email. So i'm not sure it is a good idea to order.

Thanks Jim!

Hi,
Direct on the manufacturer's website (Ladik)

and the link:

Hi guys!

This is my current rack:

I also use a Behringer TD-3-MO and a Drumbrute Impact drum machine. I'm wondering what I should use the last 11 HP for? What do you think is really missing? I'm thinking about adding the ochd expander and Instruō Tš-L v2 oscillator. Any other ideas are highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Do you want to know how this rack sounds? Check out my youtube channel!

Cheers, Ben

EDITED Jan 17th 2024, 07:33

Heloooo!!

I have this fantastic Behringer 2500 modules for sale, all of them in supreme condition and sounds amazing ! ( you can check on my videos)
Any questions or pictures just ask, hope they found a good new owner.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/users/view/226873

where can I buy this module?

Not sure if this is a bug report or a feature request so apologies in advance.

Email notifications that I receive are following my browser/email client dark modes changing the text colour to white (or thereabouts) but the background remains white making the text close to unreadable.
-- eastwood

I don't know which email client you use but I have now deleted all color settings from the mail template so your client might work better?

Hi Jukshoe,
Thank you for your feedback and advice.
I use my 2 active multis quite a bit anyway, so I would like to keep them.
I was thinking more about replacing my Nano oscillator or the 182 sequencer, for example.
Thanks again.
Cheers
Vinz

mdr ! Oui, j'ai encore des ventes à faire ^^ c'est pas très cher en vrai ;)

Is it just me or is this a conduit from various A.I. tools into Eurorack? And do all Metrons with the ribbon cable on the back have the new buttons?

EDITED Jan 18th 2024, 17:52

Ah ah ! j'étais sûr que t'allais loucher sur du Buchla !

Hey, thanks for the detailed description, lot's to do but I have it on the map..

There was a duplicate and we unlisted the wrong by accident. I have reverted it.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/clacktronics-mini-speaker

EDITED Jan 15th 2024, 16:38

Can't even spell "three."

Would it be possible to upload a better module image on here ? my MG OCD is kickin

Behringer 2500 live set

I've got some interesting results with cross-modulation of VCOs before but I'll be honest I really don't know what I'm doing.
-- wishbonebrewery

Honestly, and even if this is not the only one, it's also one of the interests and pleasures of modular ;)

I've got some interesting results with cross-modulation of VCOs before but I'll be honest I really don't know what I'm doing.

i'm curious how others work with 1 v/o in - what is the use if the slightest touch on the pitch knob will change pitch? why would one want to to struggle so much to be in tune? can anyone help me out here, what am i missing? why can't c be a c, as a standard, and the diluting of pitch correctness be an extra? i guess it's both module specific and eurorack in general, but i find it so cumbersome to work with, i'm starting to wonder if i'm missing some super simple way of thinking about it that will make it all settle, or, naturally, if eurorack isn't for me.

Crispy!

Nice, subscribed on YT.

Nice jam, nice video. Thanks for sharing!
PS: be careful, a hand behind your rack is trying to steal your system... ;)

This is my system as shown on my youtube channel Monodux.

You can find tutorials, jams, and a nerdy studio tour there.

If you're looking to build a system based on the Behringer System 55, I've created a template for that here:

This shows everything as it comes in the box. I have rearranged my own rig for ease of use, placing envelopes and VCAs together in pairs, and removing one of the oscillator controller modules to make space for other stuff. I'm happy to answer any questions.

Cheers,

Monodux

Can we get Nervous Squirrel added as a manufacturer in the drop-down list? They've got three modules available in MG now.

So, would this be an option and work out ok...

Niftycase + audio out cable into focusrite solo 3rd gen? https://focusrite.com/products/scarlett-solo-refurbished?setCurrencyId=1&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=9998263402&hsa_cam=483555825&hsa_grp=1148991330118347&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=pla-4575411501436731&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=eceda7b65215191e608cc2167b74e255

-- EuroBadger

Yep, I use a focusrite in my set up to record into Ableton & it works fine

Is it just me or is this a conduit from various A.I. tools into Eurorack?

Some people record direct to a small feild recorder too.... which also means you are setup for collecting found-sounds to later use in the modular.
-- wishbonebrewery

Yes, I have seen a few handhelds - they look very interesting, do the job plus another sound source. I hope to solve the issue of recording at a low cost - maybe a focusrite audio interface to just plug in and use, if that works.

I record into ableton from the nifty case with midi to my audio interface.
-- MCGM

So, would this be an option and work out ok...

Niftycase + audio out cable into focusrite solo 3rd gen? https://focusrite.com/products/scarlett-solo-refurbished?setCurrencyId=1&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=9998263402&hsa_cam=483555825&hsa_grp=1148991330118347&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=pla-4575411501436731&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=eceda7b65215191e608cc2167b74e255

Enjoy the spare space for a while and maybe you'll find out which modules you actually need by using what you've got ;-)
Maybe something to pan stereo and mono signals would be an advantage so you could ditch one of the STMix's.

Some people record direct to a small feild recorder too.... which also means you are setup for collecting found-sounds to later use in the modular.

But to answer your question, I use distings mk4 in wav recorder mode to record anything I make in modular,
-- Sythic

I do like the idea of a self contained case...will remeber this if I dont get the 4ms one day, thanks

There are a few options for recording out but honestly there a lots of low cost USB audio interfaces available that would do this for you & that would cost less that buying a dedicated module.
You could use the remaining funds & HP you would save (niftycase is quite small) to get something else to put in the case.
-- Traxam

This is looking like the plan I may take, thankyou...having everything contained in the case including ability to record would be great one day. But I don't think it is right now.

Are there any usb audio interfaces you would recomend? I have seen alot of focusrite.

I would apriciate some feedback on mz case. I have some space for some more modules. Like to hear zour thoughts.
My rack

Thanks

I cant see any obvious ways you would create midi values within your case to send via a midi out.
Midi isnt audio, its a data feed, it can hold note values, or similar e.g. velocity info (typical in a midi compatible keyboard), or it can send control signals which might be equialent to mapping a midi controller knob to an ableton knob, so that one affects the other.

But to answer your question, I use distings mk4 in wav recorder mode to record anything I make in modular, and then also use the audio out from the disting mk4 into my octatrack then on to my speakers. I pop the micro SD card in my laptop when I want to convert a recording to mp3 and share

There are a few options for recording out but honestly there a lots of low cost USB audio interfaces available that would do this for you & that would cost less that buying a dedicated module.
You could use the remaining funds & HP you would save (niftycase is quite small) to get something else to put in the case.

Hello,
Here is an example of a setup that I think would be a fun way to fill out your case:
- Added Quadrax in there for some additional modulation sources. It has several different modes, including envelopes and LFOs. Just an all-around useful module to have.
- Added the Desmodus Versio in there to have a versatile reverb effect. The Versio platform also allows you to easily swap the firmware for something different, like a delay or distortion, for example. This would allow you to try out several different module types without any additional cost.
- Added the 3x MIA in there as an additional way to mix your oscillator's waveforms and/or modulation sources, as well as control modulation levels, which is really handy with a module like the Versio. 3x MIA is one of the best modules in all of eurorack, in my opinion.
- Had two HP left and I thought a dedicated headphone out (the HPO) would be nice to have.

The Quadrax and Desmodus are a bit more expensive, but they are worth it, in my opinion. I see them as modules to keep for life, as they will always be useful in some way or other. Same goes for the 3x MIA.

I hope some of that is helpful! Let me know if you have any questions.

-Chace

I record into ableton from the nifty case with midi to my audio interface.
Why does it not work?

-- MCGM

I don't own an audio interface. Nifty case plus the midi cable i recieved today which are 1 in and 1 out din ports...but case has no midi out ( a midi thru instead).