For smaller systems, I find the Intellijel 7U case neat, as you can use the extra 1U tiles to take care of the I/O module and some other features, such as an Audio/CV mixer (Quadratt), a step sequencer (Steppy) and other neat utilities. Keep in mind: only Intellijel 1U tiles will work in that case.
The Erica EG/LG is neat, but you’ll get way more bang using a XAOC Zadar.

Devoting that much space for a mixer in a system this size seems like overkill. There are smaller solutions from the Erica lineup (Fusion mixer is nice, as it has a pleasant tube overdrive and six channels).
I would also suggest to have a more performance oriented sequencer, especially for live performances, same for your clock. Tempi is hard to beat with it’s UI and a Varigate is much better suited for per step changes. Manis Iteritas is great, but not well suited for per step on the fly changes, albeit loading from one of 16 banks can work. Rene is big, but really outstanding (MKI going for $350-380 now). The Trigger Riot could be a neat option as it’s a clock/gate/sequencer unit, well suited for performance in mind.

If it was me, I’d go 7U, Quadratt as mixer and I/O in tiles. Another tile for noise. Trigger riot, Zadar, Quad VCA, Tallin Dual VCA w/drive, Maths (if you must), Logic Module, and then fill ‘er up with sound sources, filter, wave folder etc


I was thinking that if possible, it might nicer if the Info, Zoom, Rotate and Trash icons were in a sub-popup menu that is opened by clicking on a single icon

They are too prominent, in the way? You can hide them quickly by pressing ESC.
-- solitud

This is SO much better now, thanks for the recent improvement!


Thread: Bug Report

I've been thinking it would be nice to have a checkbox for sort parameters that would "Exclude Modules Missing Parameter" to more quickly find what we are looking for. This would be particularly great when searching for modules with a maximum depth since, as it is now, all of the modules that don't have a depth parameter entered are all at the beginning (when sorting ascending) which of course makes sense BUT since there is no way to tell how deep a module is short of adding it to a rack or going to the info page for the module it is a bit laborious to find a shallow module.

Or maybe it would just be more efficient to just add a little grey box with the depth next to the grey box with the HP size?


I tried to compose something working, not a ton of modules thrown at random .... I want to play .. I accept opinions and advice from those who know more that
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Thank you for your suggestions, Lugia! I didn't know about Codex Modulex, but they look great and their VCA looks like what I've been looking for. You've suggested before that I didn't need two LPGs with the Optomix and the Dynamix, but I find they function so differently that I couldn't get rid of either one of them. I'll have to try out the Rainmaker before I dive in, though. It's a pricey meat-a-ball, and a big one at that.


I would agree...up to a point. This would be a good course of action if MG didn't exist, and/or if dealing with a very limited build overall. However, given that we DO have this site as both a reference and a testbuild sandbox, there needs to be some prefatory points to that list...

1) Make your ModularGrid build bigger than you know it should be. This can then be pared down in size over time prior to making any move toward purchasing physical devices. Once you have that under control, then start considering cases, preferably ones that offer room to expand from your build's basic elements...because you're going to want to do that, eventually.

2) Two VCOs are always better, even if one is a simpler device and the other is more complex. The ability to detune, mix different waveforms, have one modulated and the other not, and the like results in a far richer palette of sounds. This doesn't necessarily require a separate mixer, also, as there are VCFs that have dual audio inputs available.

3) Some VCFs are not necessarily the ones you would start with. Your best bet is a state-variable VCF, which allows for low, high, and bandpass (and sometimes notching) in the same module, sometimes with separate outputs for each available simultaneously. Keep in mind that the VCF is the "timbral heart" of any synth, and that you will be playing it in of itself just as much as any other controller-connected device such as VCOs, etc.

4) When looking for envelope generators, there are actually two basic types: ADSR and AR (or AD, depending on how they treat incoming gates). Many of the latter have the ability to loop their envelope settings, also. It's also important that there are at least two EGs in a synth...one for applying to the filter for timbral modulation, and another for use with the main audio VCA for dynamic modulation. Technically, you can use one for both, but the results are far better with two separate ones under the same gate/trigger control.

5) VCAs: there are two types of these. Linear VCAs tend to be more useful for modulating the levels of CVs, modulating signals, and so on, and these also tend to be DC-coupled so that they can pass sub-audio signals. Exponential VCAs, however, are what's needed for best performance with audio, since human hearing responds to changes in apparent loudness as an exponential curve.

6) Modulation circuits come in more flavors than just simple LFOs. One can use looping AD envelope generators, which allows the user to define the rise and fall rates of the modulation curve. Then there are voltage-controlled slope generators, which are like those but which allow CV control over the rise and fall rates; these circuits are the backbone of such Eurorack staples as the Maths, for example. LFOs can also have delays, which allow the user to define the time needed for the LFO to reach full amplitude; this is useful to allow variable vibrato and/or tremolo effects depending on note length. This is also a situation where more than one is much better than just one, hence multiple-circuit modules such as the Maths, Batumi, et al.

7) Multiples are and AREN'T necessary...it depends on the build size. If you're only dealing with sending your pitch CV to two or three VCOs, you won't need a buffered mult. Those are useful when you have several VCOs (or other CV destinations) for the same CV and you'll need to regenerate that CV to prevent tuning issues due to voltage sags from the exponential converters in those modules. Also, if you have a small build and need every last hp for primary functionality, consider using inline multiples, stackcables, and so on instead of dedicated mult modules. But you'll invariably find that your build needs at least one multiple module, preferably something with at least a pair of 1 - 3 mults. And remember, you can't use multiples as mixers without a certain level of risk to any module that doesn't have diode protection on the output; mults are only designed to split outgoing signals, not to combine incoming ones.

8) You will need something at the end of your audio chain to attenuate your signal level. Synthesizer levels often exceed 5V peak-to-peak, and this is usually too hot for the front ends of many mixers. Either add a passive attenuator at that final point, or an output module that's designed for stepping the level down to proper 1.2 or .775V p-2-p line levels.

9) Colored patch cables are...pretty. And that's about it. As long as YOU know what you're doing in YOUR patch, it doesn't matter what color the patchcables are. This really only applies to systems such as Buchlas, where you have separate paths for audio and control signals...and in those cases, the cables are terminated differently anyway. Buy plenty of cables that you can afford, but don't splurge on decorative notions.

This is all based on some 40-ish years of experience of poking around with these things, across many years of their development...where some things have definitely changed, but many of these basics still remain the same.


Not a bad idea, although the king of delay functionality is probably the Intellijel Rainmaker. It's bigger...but you could conceivably fit it if you yanked the Dual VCA and the Dynamix for starters, replacing them with a Codex u4xVCA (8 hp clone of the Mutable Veils) in the Dynamix's spot. This would also open up 2 hp in the top, which could then allow you to put a Xaoc Zadar in for four EGs in the spot now occupied by the one EG in the Contour. More cost, perhaps, but much more functionality!


Not too complex, unless you want it to be, as in the example of a "window" comparator. This is a little something from nuclear instrumentation circuits, actually, although there's now a couple of adaptations for Eurorack (such as Joranalogue's). In that case, you can have three gates...a window comparator allows you to set a voltage "window" with an upper and lower limit, either as two separate levels or via a "width" control. With that, you can have a gate for "below", "in" and "above", and you can also potentially allow for triggers to be outputted on each limit-crossing. Another cool device, which Ladik makes a cheap 4 hp version of, is a "discriminator". This is a specialized comparator that detects CV movement, allowing you to output a gate or trigger for "rise", "fall", "steady" and "any change". Ladik's actually the king of these little 4 hp specialized logic-state devices...worth a look!


Hi.
I've read many threads. One thing is for sure - Where do I start?

  1. Get a case with a power supply unit (PSU). There's several brands to choose from and you decide from your budget.
  2. Get something that make sounds. VCO's - Voltage Controlled Oscillator - is a good idea. There is several brands out there.
  3. Get a filter. The sound of a VCO is very boring, however a filter makes it come alive.
  4. Get an ADSR - A: Attack, D: Decay, S: Sustain, R: Release. You will need one!
  5. Get a VCA (or two) with CV (Control Volt). A must have!
  6. LFO - Low frequency oscillator - in order to manipulate the sound from the VCO.
  7. Cables. 3,5 mm and in different colors - blue for audio and red for CV etc.
  8. Start making music!

Once you have this you can add modules: sequencers, multis (passive or bufferd), clocks, MIDI/CV converters, delays, reverbs...and more!
My suggestion: read about the modules you're interested in! Make a budget. You can easily go too far and end up with economically problems.

Good luck!

/Viking


Looking for advice. I find the Echophon pretty bulky for what it does and have been considering using a Morphagene to replace it. This is largely because I want more flexibility with my system, and it seems like the Morphagene does everything that the Echophon can do plus much more.

For reference, here's my system, which is in a Make Noise 6U case with the buffered mult. In addition to this, I have a Mother-32 and a standalone Yamaha MG12XU mixer:

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_612113.jpg

As always, appreciate the thoughts.


I bought a 2 hp version of the Poti expander from @jmason, he had to order parts to build it but maintained communication, keeping me updated on the status and then shipping the assembled product ASAP along with a cheat sheet in pdf format. It works great and I would definitely do business with him again.


Thread: Bug Report

Hmm, the ones with the letters are tricky ones.

Thought so :)
I think it's weird to start with Z so I see it that way:
-> it's ASCENDING from A to Z, so the arrow up makes sense.

The other thing is the Number of functions. That is clear from the meaning.
But I don't want to reward the modules with the most tags to appear first on first click. Because that would lead to tag spam.
Maybe this can be renamed to Speciality or something ...
For now I have changed PRICE, HP and DEPTH.


Thread: Bug Report

Hmm, the ones with the letters are tricky ones. I'd go with the reverse but others might disagree:

Arrow up > Alphabetic : modules with letter Z first
Arrow up > Manufacturer: manufacturers with letter Z first


Thread: Bug Report

Seems that depth works the wrong way? [...]
-- ParanormalPatroler

Good point. The other sort options are discussable, too.
I would like to define all orders at once so what would you and everybody else say is this correct/expected:

Arrow up:
Newest: newest module first
Popular: most popular first
Alphabetic: modules first with letter 012..ABC
Price: most expensive first
Manufacturer: Manufacturers first with letter 012..ABC
HP: widest first
Depth: deepest first
Number of function: modules with MOST assigned functions first


Oh, I definitely have plenty of self soldered contact mics at home. The Ears is more of a nice option to have another input. and i really like the surfacing of it.
And regarding the qu-bit... well... it's definitely out of price range right now...
The OR was acutally the only 2hp-wide logic module that i was able to find. would have been nice to find a 2hp-wide comparator. maybe solder one on my own... can't be so complicated, right? :D


Thread: Change Log

Refactored the keyboard shortcuts in the planner

Just small improvements and fixes.

  • using cursor keys and Z to zoom through the modules worked only with your own racks. Cursor navigation works now on every rack
  • when Rack Lock is activated you could still add modules clicking + in the finder. This is fixed.
  • you could not reload the browser via ⌘R when the cursor was hovering over the rack. This is fixed.

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Thread: Bug Report

Seems that depth works the wrong way? I'm trying to sort MyModules by depth and even though the arrow points upwards I get the modules with no depth on top. Is that normal? It doesn't make sense. I also get the shallowest modules on top and that is wrong.

By comparison arrow in Popular points to the most popular, in Newest points to the newest. I'd expect it to act the same way for Depth, it should point to the most deep.


Hmmm...keep in mind that that contact mic is going to pick up every little bonk and scrape in the cab. You'd probably be better off using an actual one such as this: https://www.perfectcircuit.com/crank-sturgeon-classic-contact-mic.html and inputting it thru the A-119. The Ears is a great module...but it needs to be in a separate enclosure along with similar things, such as a small 4ms Pod or such, not where it'll pick up a lot of jostling around.

As for logic: look into adding a comparator or two. These can be a lot of fun, as they output a gate when a given voltage threshold is crossed. That way, you can use an AND gate to let an LFO switch a sequencer clock on and off by outputting the AND to a linear VCA that's passing the clock, and by inputting the AND with the comparator output and another gate signal, such as from a clock divider/counter. That's just one example.

Stereo mixer? Check Qu-bit's Mixology...gives you CV over level (VCA), pan, AUX send, plus you get a proper parallel FX send/return, and manual solo/mute switching. As of late, I think that might be the best bang-for-the-buck stereo performance mixer.


And they look awesome. The problem is that his sole point of online reference is that one website for the Cluster system, and it's literally not changed in years...which is why I dismissed it offhand. And I'm sure I'm not the only person who's thought that the project was dead for the same reasons, because when a project goes dark, pretty much what you're left with is a dead website, and the website does look pretty dead. Next time you're in touch w/ Geeklapeeno, you might want to let him know that zero progress reports and info updates on the site over about three years time is really not a good look, and if he's still working on making the Cluster system fly, it would probably inspire a lot more confidence in the product to maintain a lot of interaction there...otherwise, people will view this (as I did) pretty much like KAHNCO.


The Geeklapeeno Cluster is real. I have chatted today with Mr Geeklapeeno and he even showed me new build, non-render models with curved design.
I don't know when they come but there is so much work inside the project that I think they will materialise eventually :)

Image shows my own Cluster
Geeklapeeno Cluster


I bought a Cwejman module from @marcelpagnol3 and it was a great experience all around.
-- dforman98

Hello :)
I sold couple of modules lately including you...I thought you bought an Orthogonal Devices ER-102?
Or Did I send you my Cwejman module by mystake? ;)

Great experience here as well! Enjoy your ER-102! :)

-- marcelpagnol3

Ha, you're right, it was the ER-102, I got the Cwejman elsewhere. I think maybe it's a sign my GAS is out of control. But thank you, the ER-102 is in perfect condition and is a joy already.


Good deal with @slocap for Mutables Links


Didn't noticed the Intellijel Quad with the cascading structure looks really handy, thanks for that. And by dropping the mixer there is now space for a contact mic and another logic module.
I'm not so sure about the Lifeforms mixer though, but it' seems to be the only stereo mixer I'm really able to get my hands on... Do you know an alternative?

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_865772.jpg


I bought a Cwejman module from @marcelpagnol3 and it was a great experience all around.
-- dforman98

Hello :)
I sold couple of modules lately including you...I thought you bought an Orthogonal Devices ER-102?
Or Did I send you my Cwejman module by mystake? ;)

Great experience here as well! Enjoy your ER-102! :)


I bought a Cwejman module from @marcelpagnol3 and it was a great experience all around.


Yeah, that's a lot more on-point. I'd even go one further step and delete the VC Mixer altogether, and swap in something with better functionality and space use with an Intellijel Quad VCA. Plus, the VCAs in that module can be swept from linear to exponential responses, making them useful for a wider set of possible signals. With that, you'd then have the space for a stereo output module of some type. Also, shift your A-119 to a side (left makes more sense) so you can avoid having an input cable running across your patchpoint field. But yeah, this is pretty close to where it ought to go.


I had high hopes for Geeklapeeno's case idea, really, as did (apparently) MG's powers-that-be. But it's been years since that initial site with zero functional info went up, so my assumption is that it never got beyond the conceptual phase. Quite a shame, really, because that setup fixed a lot of the inherent problems in Eurorack case design, IMHO. And yet...


Got it. Thanks Lugia


Are you sure that my starting set doesn’t work???
If yes, I think you need more experiments to do...
Fortunately music is an area where creativity always has the upper hand on the cold technique.
-- wmw2019

Let's see... MIDI to CV converter... a VCA... a mixer, and a noise generator. Wow... what an awesome set-up. Tell me more about what inspiring and creative patches you've come up with. I can't wait to hear. What other advice do you have for me? So knowledgeable... you should create your own tutorials. If you get a filter, you might be able to create your own hi-hat. That's awesome.

I'm done with you, troll.

-- Ronin1973

Bye!!!
Ahahah


Are you sure that my starting set doesn’t work???
If yes, I think you need more experiments to do...
Fortunately music is an area where creativity always has the upper hand on the cold technique.
-- wmw2019

Let's see... MIDI to CV converter... a VCA... a mixer, and a noise generator. Wow... what an awesome set-up. Tell me more about what inspiring and creative patches you've come up with. I can't wait to hear. What other advice do you have for me? So knowledgeable... you should create your own tutorials. If you get a filter, you might be able to create your own hi-hat. That's awesome.

I'm done with you, troll.


Thanks for reporting, that should now be fixed.

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Geeklapeeno, which is similar, was also much talk, no walk.
-- Lugia

I have a Geeklapeeno late prototype. It's a beautiful, well thought out enclosure.
I don't know why he did not manage to release it yet ...


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thanks, great links!
Still hope Frap Tools will make some Plus modules like 10hp and 20hp,
would be rad


Thanks for the feedback already.
I really liked the sound of 'Shelves' as well as its flexibility, but maybe i found another option with the Polaris. I didn't realized that the wavefolder has two inputs, i was more amazed by the sound of it.
I actually chose the Quad VCO because of its LFO features, but it's really taking a lot of space, so I switched it for a simple VCO and a proper double env-generator.
originally I thought of the VC.mixer as my output mixer ,but probably it's better to have a proper one instead.
so here comes the update:

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_864987.jpg


Are you sure that my starting set doesn’t work???
If yes, I think you need more experiments to do...
Fortunately music is an area where creativity always has the upper hand on the cold technique.

Lugia is probably/definitely the most knowledgeable person in these forums. Don't characterize what he said as "aggressive." It wasn't.

You have a collection of modules that makes absolutely no sense on their own. You haven't put the time in studying how analog synths work. You don't just buy a bunch of cool looking stuff and expect to get anywhere. But hey, it's your money and you can waste it however you see fit. You came here looking for answers. He gave them to you for free. Don't squeal because he was curt and to the point.

Now here's my advice. Buy something like a Behringer Neutron. It's $300US. It will teach you everything you need to know about BASIC modular architecture as well as a dedicated line-level out (plus synth level). It has MIDI DIN in as well as USB MIDI. You'll also be able to make use of most of the modules you've already obtained (assuming you have them in a case).

You need a LOT more knowledge before putting together a modular synth that will work for you. Dig in Youtube for tutorials and you may want to download VCV Rack. It's a simulated modular synth environment that is great to learn in.

Respect the knowledge people take the time to share with you. I'm sure you'll have more questions later on and Lugia hitting the reply button rather than skipping it because you got all whiny the last time isn't where you want to be.
-- Ronin1973


I’ve gotten nice package deals from Detroit Modular. Granted, if you buy a 7U Intellijel and fill it up, there’s some margin to give on.
Regarding Perfect Circuit being slow to ship... my stuff from EricaSynths was here more quickly. That’s from Latvia as opposed from California.


KAHNCO: dead. As far as I know, it was vaporware. Geeklapeeno, which is similar, was also much talk, no walk.

As for the SP-1, it's conceptually interesting. I do have some concerns about a portable case made up of plastic segments being durable in the long-term, though. It would probably be fine as a studio enclosure, though.

Another idea might be Elby Designs' Construct-a-rack Series cases: http://www.elby-designs.com/contents/en-us/d39.html These come in 42 hp and 20 hp segments, with various options for depth, side panels, mountings, and covers. With these, you do have the ability to build cases with strap-on covers for portability, and the metal construction should prove quite durable over time/use.


The other issue with Sweetwater is that there's really no price breaks on buying modular gear from them. Since the Eurorack market relies on pretty fixed "street" pricing, what you see there is almost always going to be the same as from Perfect Circuit, Detroit, VK, etc. Sweetwater is good about having gear they carry in stock, though; having a warehouse complex the size of some small towns lets you do that!


Nah. I washed my hands of this several days ago. This one's on his own.


A couple of things...first off, if you have a Maths in a simple build like this, you probably won't need that Quad VCO/LFO (which is more of an LFO than a VCO due to the "locking" tendency the oscillator cores have at audio rates). You'd be better off adding a second VCO (like something basic to detune against the Wavetable VCO, thickening up the sound) and some proper envelope generators for use with the VC Mixer, the VCAs, and your filter. Also, lose the uMixer here; you'll find that having a mixer with variable input levels is more helpful in a general-purpose instrument. Note, also, that your wavefolder can function as a mixer (with potentially interesting results!) for the two VCOs.

Also, perhaps drop the Shelves for a more conventional state-variable filter, which should open up space for an output module to bring your levels down to line-level. You might also take out the multiple; in a smaller build, it's generally better to use inline mults or stackcables, leaving panel space for active functionality. Otherwise, this is pretty close to spot-on.


It's in the module types pulldown. Just select "Power" as your module type to view.


Detroit Modular is my go-to place. I've never had issues ordering from them. I've had a couple of self-created issues, but they sorted me out and I was shipped the right gear. They ship same-day or next day, generally.

Perfect Circuit is very active on Youtube. However they are super-slow to ship. But sometimes they have fantastic sales for holidays.

Sweetwater is fine. But they don't stock a lot of modules.


SynthroTek makes "Cheeks Of Steel" It's really inexpensive. The downside is it only comes as a kit. If you're not handy with an iron and test meters then you'll probably want to pass. But it's around $60US.


Lugia is probably/definitely the most knowledgeable person in these forums. Don't characterize what he said as "aggressive." It wasn't.

You have a collection of modules that makes absolutely no sense on their own. You haven't put the time in studying how analog synths work. You don't just buy a bunch of cool looking stuff and expect to get anywhere. But hey, it's your money and you can waste it however you see fit. You came here looking for answers. He gave them to you for free. Don't squeal because he was curt and to the point.

Now here's my advice. Buy something like a Behringer Neutron. It's $300US. It will teach you everything you need to know about BASIC modular architecture as well as a dedicated line-level out (plus synth level). It has MIDI DIN in as well as USB MIDI. You'll also be able to make use of most of the modules you've already obtained (assuming you have them in a case).

You need a LOT more knowledge before putting together a modular synth that will work for you. Dig in Youtube for tutorials and you may want to download VCV Rack. It's a simulated modular synth environment that is great to learn in.

Respect the knowledge people take the time to share with you. I'm sure you'll have more questions later on and Lugia hitting the reply button rather than skipping it because you got all whiny the last time isn't where you want to be.


ah cheers ill have a look, many thanks.


Hey there,
as many others here, I'm new to the topic but interested in adding a modular synth to my workflow at home, as well as a live instrument (with the possibility to work with live-input from other instruments).
I'm quite unsure yet, if I got the concepts of dealing with a modular synth right and I'm not sure, if I missed vital parts, so I'd be really glad about some feedback.
Cheers
Seb

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_864646.jpg


Maybe the design has changed. But I see 7U worth of rack. Are you placing this in an Intellijel case? If so, go for the 104HP. It has main outs and MIDI built in... but you won't be needing an Intellijel MIDI 1U module with the Expert Sleepers FH2.

You can ditch the 1U pedal send/return as it needs another module to function. I don't see it in your rack.

You can replace the Intellijel MIDI module with an Intellijel headphone jack.

Ditch the Mutable Instruments stuff and replace them with micro versions of each. You'll appreciate the savings in rack space more than you realize.


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Actually I only know those ones

Fraptools Plug: not really "modular"

KAHNCO Modular: the best one I've found, but the guys don't respond to emails
and there's no place to purchase it...probably never launched
http://www.kahncomod.com

SP-1: the only real modular-modular case
https://www.matrixsynth.com/2019/01/the-sp1-eurorack-case-modular-3d.html

do you know other similar projects?


Thanks Lugia, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Where is the "power" section? At first glance can't locate it...


Cases aren't so much of a product that you see hundreds of case manufacturers like you do with module manufacturers. Off the top of my head, only about two dozen firms specifically making cases come to mind, making it simpler to shop for cases via the various online shops. If you tool around 5-6 of those, you'll wind up being able to comparison shop the majority of Eurorack cases and power solutions available.

Also, having a look in the Eurorack section under "power" can often provide useful clues as to who's also making other power products and, by extension, cases. Not every power supply manufacturer does, but a large percentage do have cases as part of their product lineup.