Set o_C to locrian in D for all
Top right 3 cables go to slider bank
turn on and off o-coast tempo, use upper mixer for range of notes
Searching (through addictive Ebay auctions) I have purchased a couple of modules that I love to form my first Eurorack.
Until now I have my first row ready (TOP ROW) and I am deciding which missing parts are crucial, or that could suit this composition.
Ideally I need a module that survives alone, but it will definitely complemented by NI Reaktor (via a DC Coupled interface that I already have).
Top row I have, lower row not yet.
My first option VCF would be Serge's Random Source, VCO I thought about Dixie, and I thought Quadra could act as envelope source, I might be mistaken.
Looking for opinions, suggestions for the Drama.
Thnxs!
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Appealing and simple patch! If you like the nocturne genre, try those by Faure. The later ones get extremely bizarre and they are absolutely sublime.
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I put my conclusio on top: This is a great module.
I built the 37€- DIY-kit in under ten mins, then recorded great sounding bass, guitar and contact mics straight from source to DAW. Even an old Sunrise pickup in a big guitar felt taken seriously.
Can only strongly recommend this.
A similar simple thing should exist for microphone sources :)
Does it?
Cool tune and very sensible use of Marbles. Much more interesting than hundreds of those random farts on YT.
Subscribed! Keep it on!
The algorithm in "show related racks" needs some love. All I get are racks that have lots of of one particular module.
I would suggest to not only compare the modules that are the same but also modules that are not.
So for every module present in both racks the score is increased by +1. And if either the origin rack or the potential similar rack has a module that is not present it's score get reduced by -1.
There are several issues/parameters that you haven't factored in:
a) How do you tag each module? Is it a tag? Is it a behind-the-scenes parameter?
b) Who will do the tagging? Modules are uploaded by users. The same users who up till now don't usually bother using the "panel selector" option which has been there for ages and instead prefer to have multiple instances of the same module with different panels. I'm not going to go through 7k modules to make the appropriate tagging. I doubt anybody else will.
c) Where do you place multiple instances of the same module when a DIY option is there and the official manufacturer does not want non-original panels in their group of modules?
d) If you want it as a parameter, in the same manner as Filter/Effect/VCA/etc then again b) is an issue, as well as the fact that you'll now have an extra parameter that needs to be factored in when sorting the modules.
All of this work just so you can search by panel colour, where searching for a module will bring you all the instances of the module so you can quickly select it. Not worth it IMHO. Panel colour is far from an important factor when searching.
My 2 cents.
PS: if I could I'd merge all instances of the same module under one instance, and have users swap panels using the panel selector. Not possible when manufacturers lock their modules with different panel colours (2hp I'm looking at you) as official. You search their modules and they seem to have double to available options. A shame, but that's what you get when people don't care for simplicity.
first thing i would probably do when trying to figure out the color of a panel would be to look at the panel. ;)
in all seriousness though, the only time i can see this being an issue is if two panel options are available for a single module and it only has one entry in the database. most of the modules with multiple panel options already have separate entries already though.
when you enter a module in, if there was a field where you can select [black][silver][other], and then make this an option when filtering results of a search... im not really seeing what the issue would be from an implementation perspective?
Is it possible to add a colour category to modules? Even if the options are just black, silver and other, it would be handy to filter modules by faceplate colour sometimes.
-- Tranquillitatis
And how exactly would you know/tag each module based on panel colour?
The goal of this system is it should be capable of doing entiere sessions without any additional gear and maybe live capabilities.
This is not to say other gear does not exist but I have to redecorate and the appeal of using this from the couch is quite nice.
I really like the flexibility of the Nerdseq, CalTrans is for convenience and Twin waves & Filter 8 are my "desert island" choices for VCO & Filter
Entity & M303 for fast and easy familiar sound and IA because it could fill in for the rest of the percussive voices.
What I do like about Entity & M303 is that they both have their niche usage but have enough output jacks to be used differently.
IA sadly does not have any patching capability besides CV & gate but since it can produce all the remaining percussion I do not have the space for in the patch I guess it's forgiven.
Certainly would want similar functionality from different modules but also something has to go if so.
First, do I really need 14 vcas? Maybe not, but I'd rather not run out. I'd like to have 10 at least.
Against: I already have a VC-EG and the Nerdseq can generate complex modulations on it's own.
For: Just in case, and I would have to live without a Slew Limiter
I'm also not sure of which of the 3 big Function Generator modules would be the best Synergy with the system I have.
Overall I have 6x trigger & 12x cv from the nerdseq and 1x trigger & 4 cv from the Minibrute
There is one clock divider in the startup
2x LFOs & 2 EG from the Minibrute
Twin waves & Filter 8 can also be used as LFO on crunch time.
Although I quite like the sound of dry synth I don't really swear by it. But I could let it go and just use a Disting mk4 & Pico DSP for whatever.
How do you intend on mixing audio signals and attenuating/mixing CV?
Output?
Do you plan on having a clock source?
I would have a couple of traditional ADSRs in the rack even if you're going to keep the Zadar.
Noise sources?
Additional utilities will eventually be on your list.Plan to have a bigger rack than this. The amount of HP you've left yourself just won't do. Eurorack systems grow.
-- Ronin1973
Do you plan on having a clock source?
I would have a couple of traditional ADSRs in the rack even if you're going to keep the Zadar.
Noise sources?
Additional utilities will eventually be on your list.
Plan to have a bigger rack than this. The amount of HP you've left yourself just won't do. Eurorack systems grow.
-- Ronin1973
For the audio signal, my interface has enough I/O so it's not a concern.
I'm definitely short on attenuation and CV mixing. The Erebus has a noise source as well as one s&h and VC Amplifier with attenuator and inverted outputs. Not enough (I usually use the VCA on the Erebus for it's own patches) but in my style I rarely use all the instruments in one track so maybe I can share it for the time being.
I can send clock, cv, gates from the Beat Step Pro too.
I already have this rack so, by god, I will fill it and then move on to another rack if I need to. Im just looking at the best compromise for this rack so it's usable for the time being. Perhaps a smaller sequencer than the voltage block, which would allow me to add more utilities. I'll probably get rid of the 8hp clouds clone since, while fun, it's not essential to me.
How do you intend on mixing audio signals and attenuating/mixing CV?
Output?
Do you plan on having a clock source?
I would have a couple of traditional ADSRs in the rack even if you're going to keep the Zadar.
Noise sources?
Additional utilities will eventually be on your list.
Plan to have a bigger rack than this. The amount of HP you've left yourself just won't do. Eurorack systems grow.
Your link doesn't work correctly.
-- Ronin1973
Apologies, it's fixed now.
I have no idea what I was thinking when I put this rack together. What was my inspiration, it just looks totally random and almost foreign to my sensibilities.
Hi all,
I mainly do beat oriented music, shifting from harsh-sounding techno to bassline heavy EBM. Currently producing with a Vermona DRM MKIII, Moog Minitaur, Dreadbox Erebus V3 and soft synths. With a few pedals that I mainly use to distort the DRM.
I usually layout the sequencing on a Beatstep pro and do the final sequence adjustments in Ableton.
As I'm running out of space, the proposed rack will expand my drums with the Intellijel Plonk, add an acid-type bassline, and the Piston honda for those big and harsh wavetable sounds that they do.
My questions is in regards of the modulation sources that I have selected and the empty space that i still have on the rack. I'm I good with what I have? What else could I add. I know I will probably need some Midi to cv type of module or Expert Sleepers stuff.
Perhaps some Attenuverters?
What do you guys think?
Here's the link to the rack:
It's really hard to get "a little bit" into modular synthesis. Can you get sounds out of your current set-up... of course. But in this current set-up with digital sound sources, you've spent a lot for what could be done with $100 VST plug-in.
-- Ronin1973
That’s interesting. However I don’t want to have a computer in a club . Also , I can swap sound sources in and out ?
My current set up is a Roland Tr8s and Moog Sub 37 going into Ableton.
After having a go on other people’s modulars I just find it a lot more inspiring for the music I like to make .
TrueGrid really isn't viable at this time... in my opinion.
I would go with VCV Rack. It's free. Just do a Google search for the website URL.
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Hi all,
After some constructive criticism for my first build (in progress). I buy modules very slowly and learn how to use them before moving on. So far I've bought the Disting and CLX.
My Rackbrute is attached to a MiniBrute 2s.
The rack design is me gathering possible future purchases.
Cheers all.
It's really hard to get "a little bit" into modular synthesis. Can you get sounds out of your current set-up... of course. But in this current set-up with digital sound sources, you've spent a lot for what could be done with $100 VST plug-in.
The Noise Tool from Intellijel is perfect for what you want. It includes a sample & hold circuit. It's normaled to the white noise section but you insert your own source and triggers. It also has a built in clock that can be set to random triggers as well. It has plenty of features and is as non-menu divey as you can get. I believe you have space for it in your 1U row. I have one and it's a very useful utility module.
I’ve bought these modules now . I want to use outboard effects and mixer . Is this enough for now ?
Two thoughts about sample and hold of external CVs: You could just get a dedicated s&h module. I have 2hp "s&h" next to Marbles, for exactly this reason. Also, take a look at Verbos' "Random Sampling". It has an ASR that allows you to sample external CVs (I have never used this module, though)
I recently read Batumi can do this, yes. Thanks a lot for the source. In fact random Batumi into Intellijel Noise Tools might be a cheap and simple solution for what I am searching. Perhaps I will upgrade later with marbles. Sounds good, thanks!
Is it possible to add a colour category to modules? Even if the options are just black, silver and other, it would be handy to filter modules by faceplate colour sometimes.
-- Tranquillitatis
Dude... YES! Having a color category would be awesome to sort by.
Is it possible to add a colour category to modules? Even if the options are just black, silver and other, it would be handy to filter modules by faceplate colour sometimes.
Thanks for the posts regarding power. I wanted to err on the side of caution as a beginner. Plus i made the case myself and didnt feel confident with installing power, so this seemed like the best option for now. I read that i should look at having a 'beefy' power supply to have plenty of headroom, hence the 2 row powers. So far i have only 1 row installed and am taking it slowly learning as much as possible about each module. and Wow! what a fantastic journey, modular is amazing.
Made even better by the community that surrounds it.
Have to agree, although branching off a new category might be a bit much. What if the mods were able to instead add a "marker" of sorts to the tiles...something like a "P" for the original format, and "I" for Intellijel's?
But yeah...the tile situation is becoming the mess that I figured it would when Intellijel started bringing out these not-exactly-1U tiles. Didn't like that then, still don't like it. At least Analogue Systems FINALLY had the sense and decency to start making their not-exactly-Eurorack modules with proper Eurorack power connectors and oval mounting holes to avoid the wacky .5 hp discrepancy problem. Seems like Intellijel might take a cue from that move and make it easier for users to incorporate their tiles into something other than cases spaced for that specific format variation.
Is there a particular power consumption/+12v power requirement I am not seeing here?
-- mistakeets
There's a power consumption requirement you're not seeing here.
If the 4ms Row Power 30 only supplies 1500 mA on the +12V rail, the lower row is close to 1000 mA. Then the upper row is about 500 mA. If you used just one Row Power 30, you would be very close to the maximum allowable current for that P/S...when in normal operation. Not only is that not good (lots of heat, component stress, etc) for the P/S, there's also the question of inrush current levels at start-up, which would almost certainly exceed the +12V rail's rating for milliseconds. Doesn't sound like much...but it only takes milliseconds of excessive loading to wreck the P/S and potentially cause chaos to anything connected to that +12V rail.
As this stands now, the lower row runs at 2/3rds of the Row Power 30's capability, leaving 1/3rd of capacity as headroom for inrush loads...and this is about right, although you could go up to 1/4th of capacity as that headroom buffer and still be safe. But there's no way that you'd get away with powering BOTH rows from the same Row Power 30 if you factor that inrush into current loading...so, yes, that's actually done right.
Qu-Bit Chance seem also interresting.
Since you have Batumi, the expert firmware add a bank of 4 random waveform.
Demo:
Alt Firmware 1.1 : https://github.com/xaocdevices/batumi/releases/tag/alt-v1.1
Is there a particular power consumption/+12v power requirement I am not seeing here? Having two Row Power feels like overkill to me. If you do not already have the case with the Row Power modules, I would recommend a case such as a Tiptop Mantis, Doepfer, or perhaps the EricaSynths monster case. This would free up some hp and give you room for another VCA, or maybe a wavefolder/waveshaper module of some kind.
It would be interesting for me to use any CV signal, for example a simple sine by an LFO (or something more complex) and feed it to the sample and hold or marbles. So for example every time the t1 gate of marbles is triggered, the -5V to 5V sine signal by the LFO is sampled (eg. 3,2 V) and hold until the next time t1 is triggered. For me this would be the main purpose I am looking for in my setup. As far as I know WoggleBug and also Noise Tools do this.
*Edit: typos
*Edit2: Of course the SaH of marbles internal CV generation function is also awesome, but in the beginning I was looking for something perhaps more simple for sample and hold of CV modulation I already have in the rack.
I am not sure if this is what you mean, but you can send a trigger into the right-hand-side "clock" jack on Marbles to externally trigger the s&h for all three random CVs.
Hi, with the new proliferation of 1U modules/tiles would it now be possible to have a "Tiles" vs "Modules" category for 1U, whereby Tiles would be all the Pulp Logic compatible format ones with those tiny power connectors, and the "Modules" would be all the Intellijel format ones that use full-sized modular power connects.
I think this would be really helpful, as the 1U is starting to get super cluttered. Before it was sufficient to just sort by Mfr, since Intellijel was literally the only company making the larger 1U width. Now it's rapidly turning into a big mess.
Hi Lugia
Thank you as always.
Actually the marbles and the clouds were the very first modules I noticed when I started my interest in modular system about a year ago. I have got the clouds clone uBurst by Michigan Synthworks already.
I must say I am little disappointed by the uBurst. This might be because of the way I use the setup (mainly sequencing melodies) and also because of it's tiny knobs in comparison to the original (especially pitch...). I am only using it in very few of my patches.
But I just saw the marbles review of DivKid again and remembered why this was so interesting. One question about the marbles: I understand it uses sample and hold to produce it's randomized CV-Out. But as far as I see it is not possible to use a external signal into marbles sample and hold?
Also the combination with Inetllijels noise tools looks interesting for noise sources (marble doesn't have any?) and additional slew.
Marbles is all about sample-and-hold, actually, and what you can do to tamper with the degrees of randomness to various extents. It would be my pick, and would pair nicely with the Noise Tools Intellijel tile.
Hi!
Here is a my current setup:
I use this setup in an Intellijel 7U 104 HP Case. I mainly use an Arturia Beatstep Pro for sequencing, also I am not really into generative approaches currently (in future maybe yes?...). Basically I use it as an monophonic synth (Furthrrrr + ADSR + filter) with extra voices (Twin Waves + LXD). As the title says I am looking for a random source offering CV for modulation and also triggers/gates and sample and hold. I would like the random source to be accessed directly (no/minimum menu diving) and "played" live in jams.
Currently I am looking into:
MakeNoise WoggleBug
SSF Ultra-Random Analog
Mutable Marbles (this one has no SampleAndHold?).
Which one would you suggest? Are there other modules maybe even better in this setup? Synergies? Ideas?
For a decent quantizer, I would go with a Disting mk4 ... :)
It is a bit of a joke, because Disting is basically the Swiss Army knife of modules. It does everything, including quantizing (as far as I remember, it has three different versions of quantizers), but it only does one thing at the time, and the interface is not the most accessible, to put it mildly.
It is great though, because it let's you play around with a quantizer, or an LFO, or a slew, or s&h, or logic, or a thousand other things, which help you understand how all of this works. If you find that you always use it as a quantizer, that's a good sign that you need a dedicated module for this, and then you will have a better sense of what features are important.
Just my two cents.
Edit: I just checked. The recent firmware has five different quantizer modes ... :)
Overall it looks great. I don't know "Count," but it seems to have quite some overlap with PNW, so you may want to start with one or the other.
Right now, it will be hard to get a "melody" out of it, so on top of what you get from Count, PNW and Maths, you may want some more control over triggers and V/oct for Squid and Plaits. Depending on what you like, you could add a controller or sequencer (tons of options), a USB to CV module (say, FH2) for interfacing with a keyboard or computer, or some "generative" modules (random, s&h, quantizer, burst generator, logic, etc.)
-- mosorensen
Thanks mate , I’ll take count out . As I said I’m not really sure what I actually need .
Can you recommend any decent quantiser ?
Overall it looks great. I don't know "Count," but it seems to have quite some overlap with PNW, so you may want to start with one or the other.
Right now, it will be hard to get a "melody" out of it, so on top of what you get from Count, PNW and Maths, you may want some more control over triggers and V/oct for Squid and Plaits. Depending on what you like, you could add a controller or sequencer (tons of options), a USB to CV module (say, FH2) for interfacing with a keyboard or computer, or some "generative" modules (random, s&h, quantizer, burst generator, logic, etc.)
I looked at https://vcvrack.com/ and found that it offers nothing even worth mentioning (it doesn't even compare with what you guys do)
…Maybe have it so that only subscription users could request/access the new modules? that would probably more than cover the costs of modelling and buying one of each module (provided that users request it enough)
Please let me know if I’m missing anything, still quite new to this .
I’m mainly using this rack for techno sounds but not drums .
This is all I can afford currently but will add other modules as I go along .
Any help greatly appreciated
