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Heyo, I'm not sure if I'm missing something important. But there is a lot of modules that also do MIDI -> CV with more channels outside of the dopefer world.

I'm using a https://www.modulargrid.net/e/befaco-midi-thing-, which is configurable to be either 8x triggers + clock out/start stop or 4xCV 4x GATE + clock out/start stop or one channel with velocity and mod + clock out/start stop and other configurations in between.

With this module you would only have a oldschool din-Midi tho.

Hello,

I hope someone can help me clarify my doubts or my thought process.
I started with the cre8audio nifty case as my first modular case simply because it have MIDI in/thru and USB to midi with 2 x CV, 2 x gate, clock and a mod. I typically connect the case via USB and set usb midi channel on my DAW (ableton) CV/Gate 1 by default to channel 1 and CV/Gate 2 by default to 2 as specified by cre8audio for nifty case.

Problem 1:
If I use just the midi in of the nifty case with my other hardware (Elektron Rytm is master), it appears that the transport and clock doesn't work. The sound on the nifty is constantly on even if i stop the rytm and the BPM changes on Rytm doesn't affect the bpm/clock on the nifty case.
Therefore I am now sticking to USB mode only. Any insight on this would be helpful as to why when nifty case is sync with MIDI, clock and transport is not affected.

Problem 2:
I want to now expand to a bigger case and need to get some USB/MIDI to CV module. I am so used to having the configuration of the nifty case and do not find any module which serves this purpose, i.e. USB/MIDI -> 2 x CV, 2 x Gate and 1 x clock. I also fear that if i just get a midi to CV I will face problem 1. Having only USB to CV means i have to have a laptop and i sometimes need that if I want to write midi notes on the DAW (I'm not talking about Ableton CV tools - my sound interface doesn't' support optical out, therefore I cannot use Expert Sleepers). It's just simple midi notes, going via USB to channel 1 or 2 - take the CV1 gate 1 and CV2 gate 2 from nifty case and plug it to Rings and Plaits as my sound generators, so to say.

So now the question is when i look at modules which provide USB/MIDI to CV, they are either MIDI to CV or USB to CV and have only 1 cv, gate and clock outputs.
Would I then need 2 such modules? 2 USB/MIDI -> CV to trigger my 2 modules (Plaits and Rings) from my DAW or Sync from external hardware (Rytm). When I sync from Rytm I have to mention thatI sometimes use Qu-bit bloom to generate patterns for both as Qu-bit bloom has 2x cv/gate - but in this case Problem 1 still exists.

Doepfer A-190-1 has midi in and thru but only 2x CV and 1 gate.
Doepfer A-190-3 has usb and midi to gate, note, pitch, v/v and Clt.
Pittsburgh Modular MIDI3 has mid1 to 2 channel CV/gate and a clock
Doepfer A-190-4 has USB/MIDI to 2x CV and 1 x Gate
Doepfer A-190-5 is probably what i might need - 4x CV 4 x Gate and more CV other controls

I just do not know what my next step would be or is my thought process completely messed up?

In short, my use case is:

Trigger Plaits and Rings either with a DAW using USB to CV OR sync the whole rack with external hardware using MIDI to CV and sequence with qu-bit (clock in qu-bit).
I would eventually extend my case for other sound generators which also need to be CV'd and/or Gate'd

Thanks a lot
Cheers

The "lower-level" signal is still high enough that a 5V signal at one input can trigger modules connected to another input.

You should update the description to make this clear. It really limits what the module can be used for. In particular it cannot do what I bought it for.

-- the-erc

Interesting. What were you hoping to do with it?

Although that's not really the Style of Music I listen to, that's a really professional Production you did here!

Very well made!! And when I think a bit longer....I've never heard that kind of Music on a Modular System before.

Yep, exactly that...and in that snazzy cab, this is going to look super-killer!

While you figure out the drums, a few makers to look at would definitely be Moffenzeef and Buck Modular. Both do "percussion" modules that vector more over into the glitchy, Aphex-y zone. Plus, one of the best two modules you could snag have got to be the Delptronics LDB-2e and 2x...classic electro drum sounds in 12 hp totalled. And ADDAC has their T-Network series of "rung filter" modules, which can get you into the 1960s beatbox turf. Lots of great voicing options out there...

Thanks Lugia - this gives me some clear direction on where to go now. Thank you so much. I assume I have interpreted what you said correctly in this build. It's beautiful. Think I just need to start looking on eBay now :)

yes the case is beautiful, it's this one with the tip top boards built in

EDITED Feb 11th 2021, 01:34

@mowse well done

Hi Mog00,

Ah, I was wondering already, a multi-talented modular & vocalist ;-) So modular expert yes, but using "creative ways" to handle the vocals ;-) Fair enough, still sounds very good! :-)

Before I was looking into digital mixers, I also considered the Tascam Model 24. Your mix sounds very good with it :-)

Thank you very much for the details and kind regards, Garfield.

I wish that was my voice, I downloaded the vocal a capella and arranged and mixed it (added delay and reverb from the modular and resampled it in places)

I don't have a studio one digital mixer, I picked up a Tascam Model 24, I love the ability to route individual tracks in and out of the DAW for multi-track recording and overdubbing. I can route samples being triggered from the blackbox into the DAW for recording and out to the modular for FX, overdubs etc.

Hi Mog00,

Wow that's fantastic! Great music, fantastic voice and to me it sounds like a great mix too! Studio-One... are you using a Presonus - StudioLive digital mixer? I am considering one, please let me know your experiences with it, I would much appreciate that!

Beside the great modular music you are able to pull off here, you got a fantastic voice as well, I am so jealous :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this and I hope to hear more from your fantastic tracks! Kind regards, Garfield.

Pretty bonkers, ain't it? What I've heard of it seems to me to be akin to a Buchla 258 on a bit of a weekend drunk. That "self-mod" setting on VCO1 just puts that module into a whole new turf, really. That seems to be a general modus operandi for Noise Reap, in fact...normal modules behaving just badly ENOUGH.

Actually, here's how to add both the AM Synths VCF AND the ES-8:

Swap the Korgasmatron for the AM Synths VCF. This gives back 2 hp.
Remove the Isolator (since you won't be doing much gigging with this) for 4 more hp.
Then, swap the 4 hp VCO mixer for a 2hp Mix, giving you another 2 hp.

Now that you have 8 hp free, take EVERYTHING on the top row and slide it to the RIGHT. This puts the open 8 hp at the LEFT end. Drop the ES-8 in here, with the Disting to the right of it. This now puts your incoming DAW control and audio return on the same end as the manual touchplate control for the Cre8 Chips, retaining the signal/ergonomics flow.

Now, KEEP the Korgasmatron + 4 hp mixer (don't worry about the Isolator, as we're going to factor that OUT of the build) for the drum skiff. And the Korgasmatron will probably work best as a stereo "effect filter" after the stereo mixer in the drum skiff! And, make sure to stick an envelope follower in the drum skiff so that you can have an envelope tracked modulation CV which you can patch in as needed to cue the Korgasmatron for weird sweeps and whips.

I didn't know you had one of those big WeedyWhizz cabs, which definitely will take something 80mm deep. Given that, having a pair of monophonic VCFs actually works nicely here, as you can set up THREE different "voices", with the Eudemonia being shared between one of the upper row "voices" and the Chips (or just send the Chips directly to the stereo mixer for that unfiltered 8-bit chiptune sound), and the JP8 LPF for big, pounding bass (should play really nicely with the Fold, in fact!). This leaves the Korgasmatron at the end of your mix chain for the drums, to mess with the stereo out on there for trippy filter stuff as mentioned above.

And yeah...I'm a tad off of Pam's these days, because I think the Temps_Utile has more going on. Not only do you get the display for setting up trigger sequences, you have that single CV out channel which is set up for randomish things, such as an emulation of the Volts output of a Turing Machine. Sure, it has two less outputs...but unless you've got a mammoth system full of trigger destinations, the eight outs of the Pam's can be a bit of overkill.

Je kan eerst ook een enklouige enveloppe generatior nemen ie is een stuk goedkoper
-- Raimond

might be better to stick to the common tongue - ie English!

Can somebody who uses one of these please write me a PM.
I dont know if mine is broken or not.

halp

Je kan eerst ook een enklouige enveloppe generatior nemen ie is een stuk goedkoper

Hi,

I have the same problem since two days.
And I don't receive the message in my mail box too.
Please help.

yes it is

and congratulations on choosing a case that is a decent size!

if you don't already have (all) these modules then:

black pams may be unobtanium - iirc it was a limited edition!

plenty of space = no reason not to buy an original plaits - not only better ergonomics, but Emilie, the original designer, gets paid!

you probably don't need the adsr - unless you are planning on playing with a (cv) keyboard - I'd swap this for a bi-polar lfo - doepfer will do perfectly well

are you planning on sequencing from pams?

how are you planning on listening?

next purchase VCAs - don't skimp - get a quad (veils, perhaps) - you may not think you need them now, but you will - they are just as useful for modulation as for audio

Monologue Mode activated: Just ordered the Noise Reap Paradox after watching the Demo once again.

It's a start

Hi Lugia,
Really appreciate this. I was reading through the replies and was hoping you responded as the advice you have been giving generally has been wonderful and the rationale behind your selections shows great insight. Thankyou so much for this as I wouldn't have thought about these modules and was looking at the typical famous modules like Maths and Pam's New Workout which I see in most peoples racks. I think you call these the 'shiny' modules. :)

It's unlikely I will be playing live, its more of a serious hobby for me but I would like to multitrack into a DAW. Should I consider the ES-8 and if so what should I be losing please?

You are right the AM Synths VCF is too deep for that other case but I really like this filter and to be honest was one of the reasons I did the deal on a job lot for some of the modules along with the case which is a custom built 240 hp weedy whizz case so ideally I would like to keep the module in the main weedy whizz case. If I did this would you recommend that I just do a straight swap for the Korgasmatron?

Thanks

Here we go...now, you'll notice that I yanked some modules from this. This doesn't mean you should get rid of them; rather, retain those for the drum rack (and yes, DO put the drums in that separate skiff) with the possible exception of the AM Synths VCF and the A-137-2, both of which may be too deep for most skiff-type cases.

My usual routine's in effect here...voicing up top, modulation/control down, flow is left to right.

The additions to the top row include a slew limiter for portamento, a Tiptop Fold (which really IS a waveshaper; the Doepfer module is more akin to a sawtooth animator) that also lets you combine signals, plus you get an octave divider for Roland SH-101-type suboscillator behavior. Then further down, an FX Aid XL for your effects processing, then a Toppobrillo Stereomix2 which gives you VCA control over level, panning, and AUX send over four channels, plus an effects send/return for the FX Aid XL, a cue function for on-the-spot tuning needs, and mutes per input channel. I added a Happy Nerding Isolator because, if you plan on using this live, it's a very good idea to have transformer isolation to deal with dodgy venue power issues that can cause ground loops, noise, crud, etc. And you can hit it a little hard and the transformers will do that transformer saturation thing for a tad extra warmth.

Bottom row was majorly screwed with. I put the Cre8 stuff at the end so that you can have a little live controller and additional manual "bleepmaker" that you can send up to the voicing row, either going to the 4-in mixer, one of the Fold inputs, or the Eudaemona's mixer. Then I added noise and sample and hold with a Doepfer A-118-2, and a Temps Utile for timing generation and extra sequencing, plus it has a channel for CV output that can emulate a Turing Machine, etc, which will be useful for tampering with modulation behavior. After the Branches, I put in one of Tesseract's CVable dual Boolean gates, which now opens up the capabilities of the LL8 vs. a Temps output or two for more complex timing. Following the LL8, I then added an Octone, which is a quantized 8-step CV sequencer to complement the LL8. AfterLater's DVCA is next, giving you two more Veils-clone VCAs for your modulation control, then we're all on the old modules until the Quadrax/Qx, which now gives you four cascadeable EGs. The last 1 hp sliver there is a Konstant Labs PWRchekr, which lets you keep an eye on your DC rail health.

This is a lot more complex and capable now...and hovers right between a good studio synth AND an ample live one. As I noted, don't chuck out the removed modules...save them for the drum skiff instead (if they fit), as they'll be really useful over there.

First attempt at a vocal track, a cappella downloaded from Splice, chopped, overdubs, FX through the modular.

All the usual suspects.

BIA: kick, and some perc
FX-Aid - copius use, effects, resampling, overdubbing
Bat-Verb - copius use, effects, resampling, vox
Dixie II+ - Some bass duties, With Instruo I-o47 Filter, Maths envelopes, Bat Verb, FH-2
Blackbox -sampling, resampling
Pyramid - Drum Sequencing
U-He - Zebra Pad
Typon
Studio-One Arranging and mixing

EDITED Feb 10th 2021, 22:55

Turing Machines and Marbles are a bit different. They both deal with random signals, but where the Marbles is more like an elaborate sample and hold harnessed to circuitry similar to the Buchla SOU, the TM is more like a sequencer that's being driven by and feeding out randomness. They're CLOSE...but what you'll need there is really up to your methods of working and such.

As for better logic stuff, have a look at https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-vc-logics Now, this offers two Boolean gates...but you can use CV to control WHICH gating method is in use. So you could actually sequence how your sequencer is timed with a module like this, resulting in a generative timing "feedback" path...plus, you can sequence (or modulate) the VC Logics so that it can change your entire timing behavior across big swaths of the rig, resulting in BIG generative changes to the overall timing. Major abuse potential with this thing...and it, plus some fixed Booleans like the BOOL2 you have or Doepfer's A-166, and a few comparators to "pick off" timing gates based on modulation levels, would really punch the generative timing aspects WAY up!

Thanks, helpful to see someone going in a similar direction and some other interesting modules to think about. Yes, agree about the Mutable originals - could be a good use of my spare space.

Hi

Could someone help me with this build please? Basically I was lucky enough to do some good deals over Christmas and was able to amass the following modules based on a couple of purchases from people who wanted to get out of Eurorack. I have another 84 hp available as well from a nifty case which has a lot of i/o built into it as well as the space in this rack.

I'd like to have a system that allows me to write house/techno tunes on it and was thinking the top row for drum voices and bottom for synth voices or I could dedicate the 84hp from the nifty case for drums and the main rack for synth voices and sequences? Just don't know. Could any of you fine people help me with organising this rack so the modules sit better from a patching perspective and suggest other modules that I should invest in to turn this into a complete system please?

EDITED Feb 10th 2021, 02:16

Thanks @GarfieldModular, I am working on several more. I also grabbed an a cappella sample to try my hand at a vocal track. I will get this out in the next few days always love your feedback.

The Kallax shelving unit has four rooms of 64HP width each - leaving 6mm space for 2xPlywood panels. It was a perfect match and it had to be done :-) I've bought "sink in" screws, I suspect I will be able to squeeze the rack in with those screw heads providing resistance to hold it in place without any other support. That is the plan at least :-)

The Rack now has an Erica Synths Pico DSP, so I have now removed my computer from the equation - at least I can play around with the Moog synths without having to hook up my Mac & Logic.

Super old question,. but curious if you found a solution? I was wondering if perhaps the Lifeforms was expecting a certain ppqn or something, but everything I've read shows that it can clock extremely slow rates, and even irregular pulses. Then I was wondering how it handles super fast rates.

Ever get it working?

I love this company, if I had my time over again I would just buy everything they do and make a case comprising entirely Feedback modules and revel in the glory of that sound!

Spotted this in the Marketplace and I can't believe it is going for this price:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/offers/view/393192

Wicked delay! Bags of character!! An absolute bargain for a discerning wiggler!

I would snap that up if I hadn't built my own...

p.s. I have no affiliation with the seller or Feedback!

You'll get much better advice from others on this forum, but I'm on a similar path with the ES9 + Ableton + Piston Honda

My suggestion would be to start slow. Get ES9 and Plaits then figure out where you want to go

Honda paired with a Zadar or Kermit for modulation is an amazing standalone drone machine

Authentic Mutable Instruments modules quality and ergonomics are worth the expense and HP.

I was headed to this rack, but got sidetracked

Thanks again for good advice!
Do you think I need a Turing machine when I have MI Marbles?
I also have Ladik B-010 Boolean logic module. What ”beefed-up” module do you think could be a complement?

Hi all,

Above is my finished attempt at a modular I'm aiming to build. I've quite a lot of experience with DAW's, VST's, drum machines, and even some classic hardware synths, but this is the first modular synth I'll be putting together. I feel like I've done my research but I'm sure there's a ton I don't know, and would appreciate hearing some input, finding out where the holes are, etc.

The aim for this modular is for IDM/techno/electronic, working with Ableton to generate MIDI and an Analog Rtym drum machine - mainly studio focussed. The goal would be to take MIDI out as CV from the ES-9, run everything around the modular, and then back into the ES-9 so that I can record individual tracks - hence no sequencer. This will allow me to do after-effects processing on the individual channels within Ableton (e.g. reverb, sidechaining, etc) - hence the limited number of effects in the rack. The modular would not be built all at once - I would aim to start with about 50-60% of this, mainly so I can learn each module.

Thoughts on the rack:

1. MIDI would come out from the ES-9 into the Pam's, to clock the whole rack. I've added a few other utilities (clock divider, mult, sample & hold) and then the Marbles clone Pachinko - this would allow me to use MIDI sequences from Ableton but still have some measure of randomization and shifting.

2. I'm aiming to have one pure analog oscillator (Instruo Ts-L), and I decided to add the Instruo VCA for it, for good measure. The Plaits clone because gives a wide range of sound options, and then the Piston Honda because I love the sound, I'd like a different form of synthesis (wavetable), and because I can use it to feed other audio through it - not just as a pure oscillator.

3. The Quadrax with expander (plus the Maths below it) seems to give me quite a lot of options on envelopes/LFO's.

4. Morgasmatron provides options to run the filters independently or together, which I like the flexibility of - plus I like what I've heard from them.

5. The 2 noise engineering modules plus the Happy Nerding Tritone are aiming to give me some options on saturation and distortion - also the Noise Engineering modules, both the filter and low-pass gate give me another option on filters (and I would like at least one LPG module - I like the short decay "ping" sounds).

6. The Doepfer VCA's I'm a little unsure of - I know I will need a number of VCA's, and this seemed an effective means of using them - but another alternative would be 2x Happy Nerding 3-VCA's, or the Quad VCA from Intellijel

7. The Morphagene - I just love the sounds of these, and it gives me lots of options to gain anything from background ambience to effects.

8. Finally the ST Mixer would allow me to mix some sounds together before the ES-9, and the Disting is really just to allow me to test out different functions / fill any gaps that I may have.

The questions I would have is - does this fundamentally work or is it a mess, are there any other module recommendations, and finally I do have some blank spots left - which I'm assuming I'll end up filling with utilities - but are there any recommendations for these?

Open to any and all criticism!

You'd be wise to listen to Lugia's advice.

Marbles is a natural for what you described, but also check out Bloom if you want deliberate direction to your generated sequences. Warning: Bloom is a love it or hate it module. Read the reviews

Zadar is amazing and can add slowly evolving complex modulation to your ambient soundscapes

Everyone needs Maths or another DUSG

Effects to check out:
FX aid is a favorite for traditional effects.
Make Noise Morphagene, Mimeophone for creative effects
Qu-Bit Nebulae
Instruo arbhar or Lúbadh

EDITED Feb 9th 2021, 03:33

Hello, thank you all for your ideas! Links +kinks is a cool idea on expanding the m32, and they would provide utility even after I pull the m32 out indue time. Im not looking for a fully generative build yet, rather I am looking for ways to add dynamic control over what I have, to add life and interest to sequences and drones. But I do like the idea of spontaneous sequences that can be captured and repeated. So maybe a marbles, links, kinks, and a multiple lfo source, instead of stages for now. That optimizes my current setup and leaves me with useful additions as my collection (slowly) grows. Once again, the m32 is simply a temporary placeholder until I can fill the space it occupies with more efficient modules and open the possibilities further! For the time being I have money for a few new modules right now; just trying to make the most useful additions to my setup bit by bit. Thanks again everyone.

Hi Ivo,

Ha, ha, that's a nice little fun track. Lots of funny & interesting sounds. I hope you will make one day a bit longer track out of that one? :-)

Thank you very much sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

Thanks for checking it out. I probably won’t develop this one in particular because it was more of an exercise than anything else, but I will definitely write some songs in a similar style in the near future. Currently I’m waiting on a few more modules to arrive and while I wait I’m learning the newer modules as well as mapping out how I want to approach working with the two Nerdseqs. Cheers!

Hi Brunomolteni,

He, he, I like your tracks, always full loaded with energy and you always have here and there something in for a surprise! :-)

Your camera view is fun, looks like you nailed your modular against the wall ;-)

Well at least you nailed it here with this track, thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Mog00,

Oh this is lovely music, could easily listen to an entire album of this kind of music. Nice relaxed, finishing off the day and then I am good to go for another day :-)

Nice work this, thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Mowse,

Oh yes, this is a great dessert to me, the cherry on top of the cake :-) Though, if I listen carefully, particularly this track sounds like lovely chocolate ice cream to me! After your first track, this second track really sweetly finishes it off, hence the dessert.

A fantastic start into this new week, thanks to you! Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Ivo,

Ha, ha, that's a nice little fun track. Lots of funny & interesting sounds. I hope you will make one day a bit longer track out of that one? :-)

Thank you very much sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi everybody

I'm interested in having some of you experts here look over my rack design to make sure I've got what I need, that I'm not missing anything important, and if anyone has any gear suggestions/substitutions to improve my rack design (modules, flow, ...).

I see this rack as a sort of compliment/companion to my EP. It should replace my current midi keyboard/laptop/VST plugins combination, mainly to generate complex sounds, voices and simple sequences. The rack will be controlled from the EP over midi (or a from the midi controller keyboard).

Analog output from the rack to a Motu 624 where I can do some final processing and mixing. The Motu is also my interface with Ableton.

I deliberately choose to have no drum modules and no complex sequencers. In a later stage, I may consider processing the analog output from the EP. I don't intend to use it for live performances, but user comfort is important. In an earlier version of the rack I managed to squeeze in more functionalities but I disliked the result: unnatural signal flow, too much/too small knobs, ...

What I think I'm missing:
• some additional mixer at the right hand side
• some kind of basic control logic

What I think I may have too much:
• 1x Generate 3
• Maths (vs Quadrax/Samara)
• Batumi (vs Pam's/Quadrax)

The current rack design is not the ultimate end-point but I see it rather as a kind of a mid term objective, a more ore less self contained and consistent vision that guides me through a journey of exploration and learning. I'm fully aware that this will require me to make adjustments to this vision/rack as I progress.

Thanks for your feedback.

Hi there Kent,

Thanks for the clarification!
(I didn't know, actually. I am way too oldschool to know what modules work with the 200e preset manager.) 😁

EDITED Feb 8th 2021, 21:03

You probably know this by now as it has been 3 years.
The main difference is that the Studio.h version has full recall and works with the 200e Preset Management system. It is, like the Verbos, fully analog.

Hi guys, just uploaded a new jam today! some melodic techno this time, and all of it without a single filter in my system yet!

I've been waiting for the CV OCD to get here to use the launchpad mk3 as a controller/sequencer... this time I only used it as a grid keyboard to play the main melody, a nice touch was using the envelope which controls the tsl wavefolder, to also open the damping on rangoon, so whenever the melody plays the bassline "swells" along with it... anyway.. hope you guys enjoy it! if you do please subscribe in YT, I'm plannin on uploading regularly...

Patch notes:
Instruo Ts-l + Eowave titan as melody
Calsynth Rangoon as main bassline
Erica Pico Drums as kickdrum
Dreadbox Splash as reverb
Mutable Instruments Stages as envelope generator and LFO
Doboz XIIO as arpeggiator and note controller.
Robaux LL8 as gate sequencer
Super Vcas as vca.
Synthrotek MIXIV as mixer
Music Thing Startup as mixer and clock generator.
Novation Launchpad mk3 + CV OCD as controller

Currently taking time to learn various new additions to the system and waiting on more things to arrive. In an effort to post more content I'll be uploading quick patches/sketches as I work through this process. Still planning an all-modular album later this year.

I agree with senor-bling. In general, it is definitely sound advice, but if you have a hybrid set-up it may make sense to rack your Mother, DFAM, or Subharmonicon. For example, my desk is covered in Ciat-Lonbarde instruments, a Hyve, and an old Casio VL. There just isn't a whole lot of room for a Mother at this point. My eurorack modules are contained in three of the smallest Doepfer cases and a 4ms pod. I'm thinking about racking the modules in the Doepfer cases in one Doepfer 3U with the Mother, and keeping the 4ms pod as-is. Given the patch points, this makes most sense to me.

Can I bug you like this, @Lugia? I made some changes in my plan and would be interested in your feedback, maybe I'm on the wrong track so I'd be happy to get some outside view on this.

I'm super cool with my external non-analog drum setup, instead of getting a full kick voice I'd rather setup an + LPG for that if I need something more custom.
Switched out the Dual VCO for a Instruo VCO, probably not as experimental and crazy. But I'm also not getting this too soon anyway.
Removed one of the Nearness modules and kept some wiggle room for the setup in the skiff (modules deeper than 3,5cm might touch the power strip)

For me the biggest change: An FX Aid XL to have more modulation points on the effects. I'm currently using the Disting for effects and would rather use it modulate the effects themself with envelopes or LFOs

(Also, yes I need a bigger rack/ second skiff)

Thank you very much in advance

@GarfieldModular
Thank you for your detailed explanation. Really helps a lot. I will have a look at those you mentioned. I am guessing the WMD is a good choice for me now to control drums and use 2 send/returns for better live performance noodling.

@sacguy71
Will have a look at the Axxent mod and the Eloquencer. I am sure there will be more expander solutions in the nearby future. Thanks for sharing your experience here.

If there is anyone else who has using an external device for sequencing modular please let me know your experiences. Would really help to make a final decision.

Hello
I think this topic is important to your plan because the control from the minibrute sequencer 3 and 4 tracks on other modules have issues: https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=102122.0
I will try to solve it with some passive or powered step between these gates and the destiny but I haven´t get it yet.
Hope this help somebody.
Cheers

A bigger more melodic jam?! Plus the pressure of doing it live?! I am getting more and more what I want out of my little box. Currently still looking at the fx Aid to get a bit more hands on with the post processing.

Patchnotes:
Teenage Engineering OP-Z midi over USB
USB from machine back to the MIDI Thing.

OP-Z for drums, additional sounds and the arpeggiator
Sine Oscilator is doing all the hard work
Rampage is providing Envelopes and LFO
Thickness from white noise to Zlob VCF ping
Antumbra DVCA is opening and closing the gates ;)
Ping Pong Delay on the Disting MK

Mixing is just done in OBS for the livestream (did a four track recording of this offline, which I'll try to master a little more)

Thank you for listening

EDITED Feb 8th 2021, 09:51

Thanks for the comment

Depends on what the question is? In terms of this I wasn't setting out to replicate the cs-80 or the original timbres rather my question which was "can I, based off the my learnings of a krell patch (random modulation of attack and decay), could I generate interesting human like synth lines?". Co-incidentally this reminded me of the brass sounds created in Blade Runner, so I created this here to keep notes for myself.

If you strip back all the generative parts you are pretty much left with osc->filter->vca->reverb modulated by and envelope, so pretty standard stuff...

CS-80 clone would be awesome, the ARP 2600 clone happened..so keep fingers crossed