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so no way to be found by company name?

EDITED Aug 18th 2023, 15:59

@Moogul

In this case, the Piazza San Marco would be located in Berkeley and the Buchla 100 would be the name of a violin :)

Yet there is an undeniable link: the Berkeley’s Sather Tower was inspired by the Campanile of San Marco in Venice!
-- Sweelinck

And both Don and Antonio liked the number four (quattro stagioni, quadrophonic, quad function generator, etc). The plot thickens!

... to generate an irregular rhythm via the “arpeggiation rate” input, while maintaining the time signature via a MIDI clock....
-- Moogul

Hi Moogul, thanks for sharing, explaining every step on the way. Very instructive to us non-Easel-ers.
When I first read 'irregular rhythm' in your description I thought of loosely coupled motions as in Relabi -
but no, this stays on a tight grid. Not sure how much of an improvisation this is but It does have a strong sense of form.
I like the swaying back in forth between legato and staccato sections, especially. Very nice!
Thanks for sharing.

-- wiggler55550

Thanks for watching the video. Yes, "irregular" may not be the right word. I meant irregular in the sense of getting away from the steady pulse you usually get from the sequencer when it's triggered by the pulser or the keyboard. A sequence of "different note values" is probably more accurate. And you're right, not much improvisation here - all mapped out beforehand, right down to placement of the masking tape! I'm going to read that John Berndt essay now - thanks for sharing the link!

Do you have a clock divider? I will sometimes put my VCO through a 4ms QCD and then mix the two. It does thicken the sound. A module I've debated getting is the Erica Black Double Bass. You still need a VCO to feed it, but it supposedly handles the frequency division, mixing, and filtering all in one module. I don't have any hands-on experience with it though, so I can't really say how well it works.

Smart communication and fine transaction with @dropthedyle
Recommended !

Thanks Fred! Much appreciated.

@Moogul

In this case, the Piazza San Marco would be located in Berkeley and the Buchla 100 would be the name of a violin :)

Yet there is an undeniable link: the Berkeley’s Sather Tower was inspired by the Campanile of San Marco in Venice!

... to generate an irregular rhythm via the “arpeggiation rate” input, while maintaining the time signature via a MIDI clock....
-- Moogul

Hi Moogul, thanks for sharing, explaining every step on the way. Very instructive to us non-Easel-ers.
When I first read 'irregular rhythm' in your description I thought of loosely coupled motions as in Relabi -
but no, this stays on a tight grid. Not sure how much of an improvisation this is but It does have a strong sense of form.
I like the swaying back in forth between legato and staccato sections, especially. Very nice!
Thanks for sharing.

I think it would be cool if modules could be linked to eachother, with relations such as:
- is a clone of /is cloned by
- is an imitation of/is imitated by
- is an extender for/is extended by
Etc.

Then for example, on the module page of the original Mutable Instruments Plaits, you could show:
- list of all existing clones of the module
- list of any clones that are for sale
- link to a search query in the module finder for modules with a certain relation to the Plaits. You can then further narrow down your search by say height or width.

Edit: I was thinking a bit more about this, we could also consider modules that there is a newer version of a certain module. Then there are also modules that contain functionality from other modules, i.e. the Disting EX does everything the Disting mk4 does, but it is not simply the Disting mk5. The Disting EX can also use MI Braids and Plaits engines but it is not a clone of these either. To consider whether new module versions are an instance of this 'generic' module relation, or a separate attribute type.

EDITED Aug 18th 2023, 15:05

Thanks for this, I was looking in the list of shortcuts and it wasn't listed. Very strange. Anyway it's not exactly ideal on a tablet (need to have a bluetooth keyboard handy) but hey I guess it's 1st world problem really.

-edit- actually this doesn't seem to be an option here at all. Where's the keyboard shortcut option? I can't locate it at all :/ Using iPad / Safari here. Maybe some weird platform specific issue?

At the top of your screen, turn on Keyboard Shortcuts. Then hover over the module you would like to flip. Then press "F". Not as convenient as it used to be but it works.
-- farkas

EDITED Aug 17th 2023, 21:16

Hi Sweelinck, thanks for commenting. Just imagine what Vivaldi could have done with a Buchla Music Easel!

Fine work, a piece of season...
So I thought about this other late summer atmosphere (but there, the thunderstorm rumbles in the distance):

New Systems Instruments Harmonic Shift Oscillator

I would appreciate some advice on choosing a low bass module. Obviously there are lots of 0-20k oscillators out there. I am looking for a "full" sounding oscillator, not necessarily quantizing but appropriately added harmonics. I have plenty of delay/ reverb available but my bassline just sounds thin. Digital or analog? Is modulation the best route? I'd like to stay under $500.

Is it possible to add somewhere information about ownership of multiple same modules?

For example there is number in "My Modules" section informing how many modules are used in actual rack...

Would it be possible to keep track of how many instances of specific module you own?
Maybe the number could be 3/2 - first number is how many modules I own and second number is how many modules I used in rack.

And just idea, is it possible to track the number of used modules acros the all racks?

At the top of your screen, turn on Keyboard Shortcuts. Then hover over the module you would like to flip. Then press "F". Not as convenient as it used to be but it works.
-- farkas

This is actually much better :), never checked the shortcuts, going to use them.
Thank you!

A two-voice track on the Buchla Easel, with stereo delay and a little reverb added externally. The idea was to generate an irregular rhythm via the “arpeggiation rate” input, while maintaining the time signature via a MIDI clock.
Further patch notes in the video.
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At the top of your screen, turn on Keyboard Shortcuts. Then hover over the module you would like to flip. Then press "F". Not as convenient as it used to be but it works.

I am also desperately searching for it, there is some green "Head" inactive button when you turn on "Panel selector" that seems like it could do something but it does not. I would also like to see it back.

How about a filter for manufacturers that don't use plastic in their packaging? A "green" filter if you will.

wonderful sound textures!

Song for Apate and Dolos - Patch Notes

Metropolix CV1 out to XPO 1v/o, CV2 out to Elements 1v/o
Metropolix Gate1 to Quadrax for XPO envelope, Gate2 to Elements Gate In
XPO Triangle out to Elements Ext In
XPO stereo Fold outs into QPAS, into Quad VCA, into Vena Echo, into Performance Mixer
XPO Modulate L & R modulated by The Hypster
QPAS Cutoff modulated by Diode Chaos
QPAS Radiate L & R modulated by Diode Chaos
QPAS Q modulated by Sloths
QPAS !! Triggered on the 7s by RCD
Vena Echo Width modulated by Kermit

Elements L&R Outs into MotionMTR, into Nautilus, into the PM
Elements Timbre modulated by Mod Medusa
Elements Position modulated by Mod Medusa

SIG CV into Rings 1v/o, SIG Gate into Rings Strum
Rings L&R outs into Blades
Blades L&R Cutoffs modulated by The Hypster via Let’s Plosh and attenuated/wiggled by Planar2
Blades into Motion MTR into PM

Radio Music into Bionic Lester, into Mimeophon into PM
BL BP mode cutoff modulated by The Hypster
Mim Zone modulated by The Hypster via Let’s Splosh
RM Ch 6 ABRAMO.RAW was used

PNW into LL8 Ch 1 2 and 3 (Bass, HH, splash)
LL8 into VPME QD
QD HH modulated by Mod Medusa
QD into Roland 531 mixer
531 into Chronoblob, into PM

Visuals created in Artmatic Designer

Apate - Greek goddess of deceit
Dolos - Apate's male counterpart and the spirit of treachery
I thought it was apt considering the super creepy nature of the voices. Sure doesn't sound like everything is going to be alright.

M.R.Mis.An.Thrope: Nice and interesting minimalist willingness.

I would really appreciate if you could filter the user patches by module, like you can with the racks. E.g. Display all patches containing Intellijel Atlantis (or any given module).

/M

Wow, I'm speechless of all your great and detailed feedback/ideas! I will dive into the details of all the (unknown) modules before I send out my orders ... maybe you are interested in my first semi-generative patch here on youtube. Thanks again!

I think this should complete my exsistence. suggestions are welcome...

EDITED Aug 16th 2023, 18:40

I can't speak to the complaint. That said your modules are... interesting, but tbh kind of cool. Kudos for thinking outside the box.

PS - If you built an Exhaust fan with case power and a switch to turn it off and on I would probably buy one just for some peace of mind.
-- troux

i can make the same module with a step down transformer so you can set it to run slower so the noise isnt too much. i dont think theyre loud but someone will. i try to keep my modules as cool as possible because performance can suffer when they get hot. *my computer modules i mean.

EDITED Aug 16th 2023, 07:48

I can't speak to the complaint. That said your modules are... interesting, but tbh kind of cool. Kudos for thinking outside the box.

PS - If you built an Exhaust fan with case power and a switch to turn it off and on I would probably buy one just for some peace of mind.

EDITED Aug 16th 2023, 03:42

since i dont have a big budget enough to buy a ton of parts to make modules ready to ship, and take that risk, my company name cant be searched or interested parties see my entire catalog all in one search? this isnt right. i want my modules to be easy to find by my company name.

just wanted to throw my two cents in.
i have a broken nifty case that im basicly probably going to be forced to throw in the garbage because I cant get any responce from Cre8audio whatsoever.
I recently also bought a brand new NiftyKeyz case that I'm thinking of calling the dealer I bought it from and asking if I can return it because of this.
Hands down the absolute worst customer service I have ever had.

Haven't shared anything in a long time, but I've been working on a new project. It's kind of heading in a minimal, glitchy, clicks and cuts kind of direction (think Oval or Vladislav Delay). I always hate the multi-track stuff I record, and find myself really enjoying my lo-fi one-take excursions, so that's what this is. No fancy panning or stereo tricks going on here, but a lot of my recent recordings have been leaning that way. I'll be sure to share the full project once I complete it. Not everyone's cup of tea as usual. No worries if it's not your thing.
https://ciernyvlk.bandcamp.com/track/m-r-mis-an-thrope

Made with this rack:

I'll let you all figure out which modules were used. :)
Thanks for your time.

Lots of interesting thoughts and good suggestions from @HGsynth.

But be careful, you should not ideally exceed 640mA on +12V and on -12V (per each row) in a RackBrute 6U, that is to say 80% of the 800mA available (for +12V and the same for -12V, there are four separate circuits of 800mA in two rows): and this in order to leave enough headroom for voltage peaks!
However the data sheet of the rack proposed here (in MG) indicates 743mA on the row2 (for +12V), which would be very risky...

Also, you only have 12 slots in the row2, and I see here 13 modules.

So, thinking about it a bit, I've come up with this. More experienced users please feel free to fix what's lacking/wrong!

First off, little known secret is that the 6U Rackbrute is actually 89 hp for some reason (at least, mine is). Blessed be extra hp.

I've tried to keep all of the modules you already had, except one, since I assume you already own them. I've removed Brains because it's big for what it does, and switched in a Klavis Twin Waves MKII which sounds awesome and is much smaller. All other modules are kept, but rearranged (my own preference and workflow reflected here, nothing particular about their arrangment).

Top row has Pams and the PPEXP-1 which gives you dedicated outs for regular clock, allowing you to do more interesting rhythms or voltages with the original outputs (including random, smooth random, quantized, logic, euclidean, etc...). Then your oscillators, followed by a gnarly dual/stereo filter, the Ikarie. I finish off with your envelope generator and FX.

Bottom row adds some random flavor - the highly compact Tagh to give you random voltages, the SHTH to help pick off voltages, LFOs, and a 2hp VCA, since modulating modulators is fun and you had the room to spare. Your sequncer and more LFOs follow, then the mult, 6 chainable attenuverters, and then the uO_C. I found that getting an uO_C was the primary stepping stone into generative. The shift register and quantizer are just a delight together. The other utilities presented will give you a taste of what else is out there and how to use them, so if/when you get a bigger system, you'll already have experience.

Then the Frap Tools 321 for more voltage/audio futzing, then your VCA, Mixer, and Outs. Eezy peezy.

It's not perfect, but it's a start towards generative so you can decide when you want to do with your system when you (inevitably) expand your system. Should be fun to play, at least.

Best of luck!

That helped a lot, thank you so much!

When did you buy yours? Are we sure there wasn't some revision of size, but nobody changed promo pics?
-- SmutOperator

That's not impossible. I got mine a month and a half ago. It was a demo from Sweetwater, and honestly I was surprised to see it because I didn't know the module was out yet. Maybe Sweetwater screwed up and sent out a prototype?

Hi iben,

I asked the same question 2 years ago, and got some great advice from some power users and a suggested setup that really helped direct my rack planning: https://www.modulargrid.net/forum/posts/index/10559.

One of the pieces of advice I got was simply, "nothing about this screams generative to me - how are you expecting to generate random sequences? and modify them over time?"

Part of doing generative music (to me, this is opinion, after all) is using the modules to set up the conditions, restraints, and rules that direct and filter generated randomness into something evolving and (controllably) unpredictable. Unfortunately, doing so often takes a lot of support modules, and with a Rackbrute, there isn't much space to get generative. So my thoughts are that you should be looking at:

1) Sources of randomness. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like you have enough ability to create random voltage sequences. PAMs can do this well in several flavors (random and smooth random), but I find that those 8 outputs get used up fast for other clocking duties. I really enjoy my TipTop/Buchla Source of Uncertainty, but it is regrettably huge. Instruo just put out a new Tagh, which gives multiple types of random in 4 hp. @Sweelinck's suggestion of Turing Machine or Wogglebug are also great. However, maybe consider the uOrnament and Crime, which has different shift register/turing machine appletts, along with a couple of dozen other utility uses. And which brings us to Point 2.

2) Utilities to ontrol the randomness. Well, obviously someone was going to say utilities. But there are a few in particular that you might want to consider that really help me when doing generative.
* Comparators - These send out voltages when a certain threshold is met, or in the case of window comparators, when a voltage is within/without a certain range. For example, sending an LFO through and having gates come out when the LFO crosses a certain threshold. I love Joranalogue's Compare 2 for this, and the DivKid video on it goes into depth about how comparators work in general.
* Sample and hold - Gosh I love these. I'll often send a smooth random signal into one of these and sample at rhythmic intervals to develop my melodies. There are a ton of great ones, but I've really been enjoying After Later Audio's SHTH, which gives you both sample and hold and track and hold, and a few other goodies, in 2hp.
* Attenuators/attenuverters/inverters - My god, a random voltage generator really means random, and that often sounds like crap. So you'll want to attenuate the randomness, or the LFO, or the other cv, or frankly any signal because I just can't think of much that an attenuator/attenuverter/inverter can't help with. PAMS can do this, as well, but again with the limited outputs. A matric mixer like the Doepfer A-138m can be large, but quite useful. I like the Happy Nerding 3x MIA quite a lot, but getting to zero can be tricky on an attenuverter as compared to a pure attenuator. Frap Tools 321 gives you a lot of other functions, as well, but can attenuate and invert nicely. Additionally, you can also use VCAs as attenuators, if you have VCAs to spare...
* VCAS - Guess what, you don't have VCA's to spare. I find that I always want at least one more VCA than whatever number I currently have. A cascading VCA is great, but there are plenty of small VCAs out there to toss in where you have spare hp.
* Quantizer - Perhaps the Varigate can do this? I am not too familiar with it. However, if not, you'll want to be able to quantize your random voltages, because as stated earlier, randomness can sound like crap if not tamed. There are several good ones out there, but to be honest, I've not tried them other than the Dual Quantizer applet on uO_C hemispheres. But that works like a charm. I've heard people love Intellijel's Scales, which is relatively small.

3) A few honorable mentions:
* LFOs - something like Instruo/DivKid's OCHD gives a lot of organic motion in 8 related triangle LFOs.
* Mults - If you're going to be sending multiple copies of a 1v/oct signal, you will want to use Buffered or Active mults, instead of passive ones. The Frap Tools 333 is one such that provides a ton of secret uses. Doepfer's Swtched Multiple A-182-1 (passive, but amazing) is really cool, too.
* uOrnaments and Crime or Disting Super EX - A mutli-utility module that will give you access to a ton of functionality you don't otherwise have room for. Menu diving can be an issue, but they're worth the hp and scrolling in a small system.
* Mutes, routers, shifters, and switches - Don't forget that even with generative music, you'll want to play your instrument. I really enjoy fiddling with DivKid's Mutes, vpme.de's T43 Frequency shifter, and Instruo's tain and (1)F for these purposes.

Hope that helps, best of luck!

(Edited to add that I forgot PAMS can quantize signals as well, if needed, and for spelling, since I apparently need more coffee.)

EDITED Aug 15th 2023, 13:26

hi,
I had the "Unicorn" account for a year. It now expired and currently use the free account. I only have four small racks and whenever I try to add a module to one of them I am getting redirected to the Unicorn account info. As far as I can see I have not exeded the limit of racks and modules for free accounts. Why is that? Anyone had a similar issue?
thank you
piotr

Ok, this is ridiculous on the part of all those resellers in that case, and you're right - the picture on Thomann after all does not look like 8HP...
When did you buy yours? Are we sure there wasn't some revision of size, but nobody changed promo pics?

Three first areas for reflection:

• A filter, you’re right, rather stereo and not too wide because of your current case (e.g. Dual Dagger, Zagrzeb, Polaris).

• An attenuator or attenuverter, Basimilus and others will really need it... (e.g. Sinc Defero, 3x Mia).

• A random, for 'generative capabilities' (e.g. Turing Machine, Wogglebug).

Other people here, more expert than I, will modify or complete these initial suggestions.

Super. Thank you!

Thanks!

(Just because it’s more comfortable to see the setup in the thread itself. Simple copy/paste of the rack url).

Your building up a really nice tension here, like it!
-- Niemandsland

Thank you :)

Your building up a really nice tension here, like it!

here's one - https://www.modulargrid.net/e/steady-state-fate-adsrvca they will all be there somewhere

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/steady-state-fate-spectrum

Hey! im looking for a mudole that gets cv input and takes out dimmer for led lemp ( like a normal lemps of a house)
also possible to create somthing if there is somone who deal with build

Total noob here just graduated to a 6u case so thot it time to go ModularGrid. Just setting up my first system in MG. Can't seem to find WMD SSF modules listed anywhere so I can add them to my rack. I have a Spectrum VCO and ADSRVCA. Any tips?

This is a great conclusion for the trilogy. A soft landing with a beautiful melody.
Excellent idea also to have imagined this triple publication. A series maintains attention and suspense. You invented ModularFlix!
Bankable :))
-- Sweelinck

Ha, thanks. I was unsure about triple posting and tried to space it out. I am def gratful for the note.

Yeeees! Love that Vangelis brass patch!
-- FredFoxtrott

Glad you liked it :) Thanks!

Hi there!

Any thoughts on my first rack if I want to move towards more generative patching capabilities? I have some HP left and will definitely add a filter module (I'm currently using an external Behringer TD-3-MO ...), but does anybody has a suggestion for the remaining HP? Thanks in advance!

Cheers, Ben