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Some recommendation for my fist eurorack ? I need something more ?

Im working on quadrax and it is wonderful the concatenation of lfos that we can do with it.
The combination quadrax+roti pola (first channel creates chaos among others) +divkid ochd is a real fun.
Thanks to Lugia for the advice.

Brilliant :)

Great track, already spotted via YT :)

Really nice :)

Wow, much craziness but really good :)

Playing with the idea of Trance Gating with a couple of VCA Channels and some snappy and not so snappy envelopes triggered differently for Left and Right channels which ends up being a bit ping-pong delay.
Pitches come from Marbles then the Saw wave from the Befaco EvenVCO, filtered by the Omsonic FLF into Monsoon Clouds to create a wash of sound with all the reverb, out into Veils VCAs with a couple of ALM PipSlope's being triggered from patterns in the Robaux LL8, then the stereo goes into the 2hp verb to add some wash onto the enveloped sound from the VCAs. Bit of a Tuned and filtered Bass drone from the Makenoise STO and Happy Nerding HNVCF.
Recorded in one take, if there are pops, crackles or glitches its because of my crappy soundcard! Thanks for listening :)

I would like to request a feature that, for DIY modules, build difficulty can be rated so that people can select new DIY projects based on their ability.

On the "Command Centre" (sorry..."center") display, could we please have the any incomplete rows left-justified rather than fully justified? As a graphic designer, I start to cry when I see three racks spread apart on the final row, after seeing evenly spaced racks above (this wasn't the case before). Whilst I'm at it, could the rows also be padded out so that the tops of all the cases align regardless of the length of the case title - e.g. make it like a spreadsheet table where you have a row of case titles above a row of cases. Perhaps user-selectable options for the visual sizes of cases too (they got smaller after recent updates). Cheers!

Hi Gvfgvf,

I am sorry if my message/feedback was perhaps a little unclear. My concern here for your above rack is, do you have already all the displayed modules, mainly worried about the Cwejman modules because, as already mentioned, they are no longer obtainable. If you already have them, then well that's seriously fantastic :-) If not yet, perhaps you might want to reconsider your planned rack to make it more realistic because just a Maths and a Delay module (be it the Verbos one or another one), might be a bit meagre in combination with your already existing Cwejman SW1MK2; but it also depends on what you exactly want.

There are quite a few delay modules and of course the perfect way of discovering the "perfect" delay module that might fit you is, by going to a local dealer and try them all out (or as many as possible). Naturally because of Covid that might be difficult at the moment or not possible or if you don't have a too nearby local dealer, you might be "forced" to buy it "blindly" so to speak.

I don't know them all or what I rather mean is, I don't have experience with most of them, but let's give it a try to get an overview of available delays:
- Doepfer has a few whereby I think the A-188-x is the most well-known, based on the BBD principle (Bucket Brigade Device) whereby Doepfer offers several different modules by offering several different "stages". I own the A-188-1 with 1024 stages, in one way I like it, I guess because of BBD however I feel it's a module that's a bit difficult to get that properly under control but that might be just me, not really knowing how to use it properly ;-)
- 2hp has a "Delay" module, if you want it small :-) I prefer modules to be at least 4 or 6 HP, so for me this wouldn't be comfortable but if you want to save space in your rack...?
- 4ms has the Dual Looping Delay, no experience with it, might be worth to check out though
- ACL, the VC Dual Delay module, not sure if this one is sold out, it's on my wish list though
Alright Devices - Chronoblob2, funny name but other than that i don't know it
Analogue Systems has a few delay modules, as far as I know non-Eurorack so that's a pity, not sure yet if they have already a Eurorack compatible delay module, this might be interesting in the future when they do so
Animal Factory Amplification has a module called Coma Reactor Module, just because of that name it's on my wish list but then again, there is so many on my wish list ;-) Not sure about this one, might be interesting
Audio Damage has a few (ADM15, 16 & 17)
Befaco Crush Delay v2 or nowadays v3, I have that one and... I am not so sure what to think of this one, if you want a more distorted delay, this might be an interesting one, if you look for a nice clear delay effect... I don't think I would go for this one
Dreadbox - Nostalgia, for the price-performance, I think this might be very interesting, not sure about its sound quality though
Erica Synths has a few, including Black Stereo Delay, Fusion Delay (using a tube), Pico DSP (if you like it small, just 3 HP) and now recently the Black BBD, same principle as the Doepfer, also a BBD. If I remember a post here correctly this one might be interesting if you are looking for a delay based on the BBD principle, seems to be easier to get it under control than the Doepfer one, but that again might be just my own clumsiness ;-)
Eventide is planning to come with the Euro DDL, that looks like a very interesting option to me, pity it's not available yet though
Folktek has Conduit
Intellijel the Rainmaker, if you don't care the 36 HP (and the high price), then this might be your delay valhalla
Make Noise has the Mimeophon, this one I am considering but want to test it first at my local dealer to see if it's indeed as good as the name and reputation goes; knowing Make Noise, I think this might be indeed a very interesting module
Malekko has a quad gate delay, reasonably priced, small in HP (8 HP), so perhaps this is interesting?
MFB from Berlin has the digital delay
Modcan comes with the dual delay, not sure if it's still available
Noise Engineering uses the Imitor Versio to create a delay effect
Pittsburgh Modular calls their the Analogue Replicator
Recovery Effects has the Cutting Room Floor, don't know this one at all
Roland has an LFO/delay module called 572 (from their System 500 series)
Sputnik Modular might have an interesting one for you with the 4-Tap delay/dual crossfader module
Steady State Fate (SSF) has one called Propegate
Synthesis Technology has the E102 Quad Temporarl Shifter, I don't have this module however I have a few modules from Synthesis Technology and their modules are quite interesting, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a good one too!
T-Rex has the enormous Replicator Tape Echo Module, if Tape Echo is your thing, you need 44 HP space and about a ton of money
Tiptop Audio has Echoz if you want to keep the price reasonable
TouellSkouarn has the Heklev, I don't know this one but I have two other modules of this brand, not sure if that suits... the modules I have so far from TouellSkouarn are good in one particular thing, tons of distortion :-)
Well the Verbos you mentioned yourself already
and the last that comes to mind is the WMD DPLR/Doppler delay module

So quite a few to choose from however it's not easy to advice you which one you should take without more context and even then... I do believe choosing a delay is a pretty personal taste kind of thing.

What I haven't mentioned are the tons of modules that are based on DSP effects, if you count them in as well, wow, so much more to choose from. I mainly focussed here on Delay but even then there are of course several of them already DSP based delays :-)

With DSPs I don't have too much experience, I have the Erica Synths - Black Hole DSP2, that's actually a quite nice one, and it has stereo inputs and stereo outputs; but there are so many of them...

What I also haven't mentioned at all yet, are external effects processors and pedals. I regularly use the Electro-Harmonix Grand Canyon delay pedal, nice one, mono input, stereo output but it's not a Eurorack module. Not sure if it must be a module for you or if you feel a pedal is acceptable as well? Well, the Eventide might be interesting but, at least here in Europe, it's not available on the market yet (the Euro DDL module I mean).

I hope I gave you some ideas. As already mentioned, best I believe is still to test as many as possible at a local dealer, I know not easy at these times...

Good luck with the delay choice besides the rack planning ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Klodifokan,

I am sorry to read your reaction on my reply to Gvfgvf. I did read the post, I was aware of the delay question but since this is the Rack section of this forum, I assumed this rack of Gvfgvf is in planning phase. If you are in a planning phase and you plan a lot of modules of one brand that's no longer available, then I do think it make sense to inform the user (in this case Gvfgvf) that these modules are no longer obtainable (other than perhaps 2nd hand). That was the only reason of my feedback, to create awareness at user level that certain modules are no longer available.

Because, in my humble opinion, the above planned rack doesn't make sense if the user can't obtain all modules as planned. In case all modules are already in possession of Gvfgvf, well then that's very great and nice too :-)

All right, so let's have a look at the delay question itself then (I do think in this planning phase it's a bit too early to focus on that but since your opinion seem to be that's the only thing that counts for the moment). As Farkas already mentioned and guessed correctly, I do not have any specific recommendation for replacing the Verbos delay because the rack planning is most likely to be unrealistic unless all modules are already in possession. But for the sake of answering the delay question, I will give it a try.

P.S.: Perhaps a little advice to reread your own message, try to discover how one might feel and observe the way you wrote your message. I can't say that was very kind or of a pleasant tone. We try to be helpful here in this community for each other and, that's just my humble opinion, I would appreciate, a more positive tone in the messages we are trying to send to each other.

I look forward in a more positive way of communicating with you and kind regards, Garfield.

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think
-- amethyst

it does but it's not polyphonic in that way. the voice selection impacts how long a strum is allowed to ring out for. up to four notes can overlap before a strum is muted by a new one, but they cannot be played simultaneously as a chord.
-- bigham

I wonder how "close in time" can be the triggers in Rings to trigger different notes and be percived as a Strumed chord

@klodifokan, GarfieldModular is a very helpful and supportive member of this forum. Perhaps Garfield wanted to offer some assistance, but did not have any specific recommendations for replacing the Verbos delay. Did you have an actual recommendation for the OP's question?

Gvfgvf asks for advice about a replacement module of Verbos delay.
Not about Cwejman's life.
Be serious.
The magic of forums.
You ask a question about something, a someone answers you about something else you don't care.
Read the subject please.
I'm really get bored with answers who doesn't answer your question.
Don't spend time for nothing useful please.

cool - I hope you enjoy it and that it lives up to your expectations!

the spdif output will give you 2 channels - so gate and cv for instance

if you are using a mac you could try using one of the usb (or usb-c) modules from expert sleepers (the es8 or 9) as a aggregate device with the other audio interface

I'm not sure that works well on windows though

probably something similar to what you have

general cv? maybe it's more paraphonic though - but it does have rompled strings! hehe

rings can do '4 voices' at once but it's more based on resonance than 'polyphony' as such because it will only trigger one note at a time, so it's more like a (4) stringed instrument than a true polyphonic instrument

looks to me as though "make synths, not war" is gone - last blog entry is nov 2018 and I suspect that they never had dealers - have you tried the contact form?

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think
-- amethyst

it does but it's not polyphonic in that way. the voice selection impacts how long a strum is allowed to ring out for. up to four notes can overlap before a strum is muted by a new one, but they cannot be played simultaneously as a chord.

Hi Matteo,
I'm putting another vote in for the FX Aid, I have the XL version (it's 6HP) and have been continuously impressed by the algos on offer, sounds fantastic as end of chain effect, probably the best value for the money and fits in your budget. The fact that it has so many possible effects, some of which combining for example a delay and a reverb make it an excellent choice for someone in your situation with no FX module in the rack yet, even if you add larger and/or more specialized FX modules, this one will most certainly retain its value in the rack...
Another choice to consider I think and also within budget is the Noise Engineering Versio thing (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-engineering-desmodus-versio). It is less flexible than the FX Aid in the sense that one needs to switch firmware to change the effect, but on the other hand the CV control options is way more extensive, and the algos are more specialized I think. NE is very very good at making digital modules and this one is no exception I believe, I've heard excellent stuff in the demos of the Desmodus Versio (the reverb) and the Ruina Versio (the distortion), probably a better choice for those looking to integrate the effect as part of the sound design rather than just end of chain. But all this is from the demos I've seen, haven't actually tried the thing myself...
As always, research extensively before you buy and you'll be allright :)
D.

I have the fx aid xl which is 6hp and I really like it - more space and more modulation inputs

one big plus point about it is that Igor seems to constantly post updates

there's also similar modules from erica, endorhin.es and tiptop but I don't think they have quite the versatility

Operation on Zadar is fast enough IMO, in fact the presence of the screen makes it easier for me than my new Quadrax for which I have to remember button combinations, whereas I built muscle memory much faster on Zadar. One thing to remember though is that it only accept triggers, so if you need the envelope to respond to gate length, it won't work, gate lengths are ignored and considered as a trigger. It is particularly good at very complex modulation, either very fast or very slow, amazing for ambient types of music.
Stages is also very useful because it's not only a configurable EG, it can be LFO's, S&H, so it can adapt very well to your patching needs, you can even mix & match. But if you're looking for ADSR, it might not be your best bet, it can only do one at a time (you need to use 4 out of 6 available stages for an ADSR).
I had my eyes on the Quadigy before settling for a Quadrax instead, it may be a good choice for quad ADSR. It has menus but the UI/UX design seems clever enough to make it a non-issue I think, although I never actually tried it and would recommend one does before purchase.
Good luck with your research and hope you find something that makes you musically happy ;-)

Thanks. Sounds like it's what i am looking for at the moment.

Will have a further look now

Thanks for the suggestion
Ciao
Matteo

Happy Nerding FX Aid is really nice. A ton of effects to choose from (reverbs, delays, modulation, pitch-shifting, etc) and all really high-quality. And the designer continues to update/add to the algorithms. There's a 4hp version (which I have) and I think 6 or 8hp version.

I also looked into the Tip Top before deciding to go for the Happy Nerding.

Hi,

It's time to for me to get some effects on my rack. At the moment, there are no effect modules in my rack, so, I might think to start with some classic.
I would stay in the price range of 200-300 and i am keen to get a multi-effect (was thinking at the tip top audio z5000).

Do you have any suggestions on what could be a good one to start?

thanks
Ciao,
Matteo

MI Rings has 1/2/4 voices I think

This is my build sofar for a Ambient system

but need some help organising the rack

i have most modules,the ones i dont have yet is

Furthrrr Generator
2hp play(for field recordings mainly)
Fold 6
Quant Gemi
Golden Master
Lapsus Os
Ears
Terapad-Tete

Where would you place every module?

Hi,

Is there any polyphonic string module available somewhere?

The only one i was able to find is the String Theory from Make synth not war: https://makesynthsnotwar.com/modules/stringtheory/

I can't even find it for sale anywhere.

I know it's weird to go poly on modular but i really miss poly strings and i am wondering if something is available on the market.

thanks
ciao
Matteo

makes sense, appreciate the input. thanks!

Haven’t tried Zadar but looks easy to use. Hikari and ACL look great. No rush as I’m good for now until I need for travel case then Zadar or Hikari would work,

Hi Gvfgvf,

Unless you have already all those shown Cwejman modules, there is no longer any chance of getting them other than second hand, which might be hard to get. Wowa Cwejman died on the 30th of January 2021 :-(

Good luck with the planning and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Looking for a good EG isn't that easy, isn't it? I am facing a similar issue. Some ideas here for you to consider:

• Hikari Instruments - Triple AD, I love this one, can be nice snappy if wanted
• ACL - Envelope x3, is a classic ADSR but of (very) good quality
• Vermona - fourMative Countours, is also a classic ADSR and also of (very) good quality, I am considering this one myself
• Waldorf - MOD1, if you still can find one, good Waldorf underestimated modular quality, it has 3 decay levels and parallel to this AD3SR also trigger, gate or LFO functionality and yet another AR as well, tons of possibilities with this module (I will be honest with you on this one, it has a quite high learning curve though, that might be seen as a con)
• Make Noise - Contour, if you have already a Maths and you still like to have an additional Make Noise style EG, this is the one you need :-)
• Xaoc Devices - Zadar, you mentioned that one yourself already, it's on my radar as well but I am hesitating... too much menu diving or acceptable?
• Doepfer A-140-1 it's the standard/classic ADSR from Doepfer, I love this one, straight simple forward but you get what you expect, good steady quality and it has an inverse output that can come in handy in certain situations. I guess you have this one already since that might have come together with your Doepfer system, however there is nothing against a second one, now is there? I am using three of them :-) Doepfer does have other ADSRs/EGs as well, check their website under the A-14x series
• Then there are brands of which I don't have experience with but I know they have ADSRs too, like: AJH Synth, ALM Busy Circuits (Quaid Megaslope is on my wish list), Dreadbox (Ataxia I am considering), Frequency Central (System X EG, might be a nice and affordable one), Instruo (Cèis), Intellijel Dual ADSR but since you have the Quadrax you might want to look at other brands, I can understand that, Malekko Quad Envelope is an AHDSR might be interesting, no experience with yet though, Mutable Instrumanets (Stages and/or Tides - II), Pittsburgh Modular ADSR Mk II, ReBach Catch - ADSR-A, and WMD (Javelin, Multimode Envelope, ADSRVCA)
• And of course don't forget Erica Synths, I actually love their envelopes. After Doeper's EGs I would go for their EGs. I have myself a Black HADSR EG and Black VC EG and both are great, availability might be a problem though. They recently released Black Dual ASR EG, I consider that one for the future perhaps as well. Oh yes and don't forget their Fusion Modulator if you want something else as the usual EG :-) That's one with a tube!

That's what just comes to mind for the moment. My top recommendations are Vermona, Erica Synths, Doepfer, Hikari Instruments (this is a lovely module consider this one!) and ACL.

Good luck with the search for a suitable EG and kind regards, Garfield.

shoutout to @ulleks, who built an Antumbra ANT8 for me. great experience all around, cheers mate.

See my rack listed above....been gassing for the multi-delay processor for a while, hence it being placed in the rack now. This rack sits below a Cwejman S1MK2 so there is access to envelopes, filters, mixers, and many other patchpoints. I'm curious if someone can suggest some basic modules that could be more impactful than the Verbos delay. Thanks in advance everyone.

I don't have any direct experience with the others you mentioned. I spent a fair amount of time watching and listening to demos of many complex oscillators and found the Furthrrr Generator to be the best sounding to my ears. With the added flexibility of the strong zero VCO core as a possible "upgrade," it's the one that most appealed to me. If I hadn't picked the Furthrrr, I probably would have gone with the DPO. That one seems to have a unique sound. Let your ears be your guide.
Good luck and have fun!

I just got a used Fold Processor today, and had the same question (and a Google search led me here).

When I turn it on, I also think I hear a very quiet whine getting higher (like a capacitor charging up or something), but only when the inject knob is near the center (and it happens even with the fold all the way down).

Folding all happens properly, as does the division. Inject seems to work properly as an offset, just the whole thing adds a bit of noise.

Mine's used so it might be from misuse too...

Any ideas?

not strictly related to the tuning, but I have been thinking of getting one of these. As owners, would you recommend it over others (Cs-L, DPO, etc etc)? Anything to know about or consider that isn't apparent from the manual and demos?

I think it would be interesting to be able to take sounds from a track in Ableton (for example, i have an iPad with some cool/different synths (Animoog and Sound Prism to name just a couple)...and run them through various modules in my rack and then back into another track in Ableton...would that be accomplished with some sort of 'sampler' module?

-- jb61264

if you had an ES-9, you could send and return the audio using that module alone, plus a suitable digital link to the Focusrite (like an ADAT Lightpipe). This would also result in having dedicated interface I/O for the modular alone, which isn't a bad idea because, well, CV Tools. And yes, you CAN simultaneously move audio and CV signals over the same Lightpipe and Expert Sleepers module.

I'm a little confused on this...ADAT Lightpipe is for an optical connection? The Focusrite 8i6 doesn't have an optical connection but does have an S/PDIF in and out...could that be used? would i instead use the ES-4 SPDIF/CV Interface and get the same functionality? Would I still need an ES-8 or ES-9?

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I can't remember if those focusrite interfaces have balanced inputs or not
The Focusrite 8i6 has six balanced line inputs, and four balanced outputs

for amplification you could use an input module - or if you are not going to use it constantly something like MI Veils is a good buy as it has a lot of gain available, is 4 channels and is a cascading vca so can be used as a mixer - intellijel quad also does this - not many vcas do!
The MI Veils is on my list for my RackBrute 6U build....maybe it moves up the priority list a little? :)

but if you want midi i/o from the modular then befaco make both in and output 4 channel midi modules and are usually pretty good
Thanks for that recommendation!

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Hi, I've been getting into modular lately with semi modular synths : DFAM and Mother 32 from MOOG.
My main goal here is to make percussive techno music and I've also been wanting to buy a Jomox Alphabase lately.
But what I realized is that what I really wanted was the kick from the Jomox Alphabase.
So I'm planning to add a third row to my system with the ModBase 09 mkII.
I've tried something here with info that I collected here and there but I don't want to mess it up.
Could you please help me improve this third row ?
Thanks !

ok so I decided on this as a happy compromise between feedback and the goals I had.

Thank you both for your wisdom and kindness.

How about the STG Soundlabs Envelope Generator?

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/stg-soundlabs-envelope-generator-

Another one is Klavis Quadrigy
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/klavis-quadigy

Third option could be Zadar
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/xaoc-devices-zadar

Especially for drums or short percussive envelopes I really like the old (and cheap) Doepfer A-142-4 Quad Decay. Sure it's decay only, but sometimes that will do just fine. A little harder to track down, but worth it for the amazing EG/HP ratio is the Bubblesound HEXa(s)r. The envelopes are all on the short side (something like a max of around 4s or so per stage) but again, lots of applications where a full ADSR is overkill. For more complex envelopes I love the Xaoc Zadar. My favorite classic ADSR is the Roland 540, but I guess the Frequency Central clone System X Envelope is just as nice.

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I'm a huge fan of the Soundforce ADSR. I've found an exp adsr is really necessary to get the "pluck" out of my LPGs and VCAs/Filters. Also having control over all stages with attenuation is so great. Plus it has the ability to choose end of cycle gate, has cycling, and s/m/l stage length. It's big but it's worth it.

Thanks, Garfield! :)

It’s not “new” so I’m not really answering your question but really like the original Quadra, it has a different character to the Quadrax and I dare say a different sound, like a sizzle and it’s just such a playable module in such little hp…it doesn’t hurt to have it along if you just need more envelopes. For something different that can do other things I like stages which is a goto for gate like percussive envelopes and multistage. Then there’s Maths of course which gives you a lot of other functionality. But my favorite ultimately is Quadra, with or without the big ass expander.

usher

So as my modular system grows, I need to add even more new utilities like attenuators, cv/matrix mixers, and envelope generators. What are your favorite new envelope generator modules and why? I just added new modulation by ordering an Abstract Data Octacontroller to pair up with my Batumi for plenty of modulation channels as many modules beg to be heavily modulated by cv for cool patches. Now I find myself a bit short on the envelope area since my monster case only has Quadrax and one Doepfer ADSR module and with lot of drum and other voice modules, I need more ADSR type modules. Thoughts? My other case (MDLR) is good since that has an Erogeneous Tones Radar for EG stuff. I also ordered a Happy Nerding FX Aid XL to complement the Make Noise Mimeophon for spicing up patches with effects.

About the only "Maths alternative" aside of having a full-on analog computer would be to have a RandomSource Dual Universal Slope Gen (an exact Eurorack replica of the Serge original) plus some various routing and modification mojo...a MISO or Frap 321, a few VCAs, and maybe a mod or two to the RS module itself. It really IS one of the very few "mandatory" Eurorack modules out there!

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