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thanks again Jim

the mutable forum is also worth searching for mutable specific issues...
I'd try that before contacting Emilie first - search works well!!!

Hope you get it sorted out quickly !!!!

fingers crossed...

EDITED Sep 23rd 2021, 18:25

thanks Jim, yes i looked in the manual and it doesn't even cover it. I bought the module used when I first got into modular and so not sure if it's original or clone. It has a black face panel but I think the guy said he changed it to match his other black ones. As I said I did get it working once so it's not a design/build issue. The module works in every other way so it's a puzzle. I might try the Mutable support, cheers for that.

Have you checked in the manual???

If so and it's still giving problems:

If it's an original factory built module then I'd contact Emilie via the mutable support email address on the site... She's incredibly quick to reply and helpful

If it's a clone you've bought - contact the builder...

If it's a clone you built modwiggler has a Music Tech diy subforum that has lots of useful information on troubleshooting mutable builds (but it's a long read over 100 pages iirc)

RTFM!!!

Hi folks. Having trouble using the fine tune function on Braids. It doesn't have any effect. I know I had issues at first and needed to go into the fine tuning menu and set the range and it did work then (I think it was at zero which obviously wouldn't work) but I've checked and it's set to 10. Tried it on other range settings but still has no effect. Am I missing part of the procedure for enabling it or what? Any advice much appreciated.

From the 1 page manual:

Gain indicator LED. Its brightness is proportional to the VCA gain, on a dB scale. The LED is off when the signal is muted.
Output indicator LED. Its brightness represents signal level, and its color represents signal polarity (green = positive).

No signal and no offset = no light. Reading the manuals of the modules is an absolute must.

EDITED Sep 23rd 2021, 14:49

It should only light up when there is a signal going into it. If it doesn't light up then, then there is a problem.
-- snowtires

will test tommorow

-- Broken-Form

I have MI Veils 2020, don't have it patched to anything at the moment but when I move the sliders up, the tip on the sliders do light up...same with the knobs directly above the sliders...if you turn those, the light on the tip of the slider also lights up.

muffwiggler is a double-entendre - a classic form of pun...

taking offence to it is pathetic... imo, shows a total lack of a sense of humour...

I generally find those lacking a sense of humour both pathetic and offensive

you can't please all of the people all of the time, though and if it helps adjust the gender bias at modwiggler (which is questionable) then it's probably a good thing

unless of course the newcomers lack a sense of humour...

now there's a conundrum!

EDITED Sep 23rd 2021, 08:38

Oh wow, sounds like the four-voice unison Juno of our dreams. :3 I'll give them a look online, thanks so much for the heads up! The other variant of a Juno-esque voice I was looking at was the Winterbloom Castor and Pollux. Gorgeous looking module, to boot.

So, if they merged, would the result be Gearwiggler or...hm, yeah, I see your point.

hahahahaha I think you are right!

Hi JimHowell1970,

I think we need to have a serious talk with Broken-Form...

He left his studio again!!!

;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi ThiccMomSwag,

I visited last week the Superbooth and there I heard someone "fiddling" with a set of SoundForce modules, oh my goodness, what a serious good sound came out of those modules! Beside the modules themselves delivering a good sound another reason why it sounded so good was the fact that they had each four of it: four DCOs, four filters and four VCAs but a hell of a good sound!

I don't have any SoundForce modules myself yet but after this demo I am seriously thinking about it. Kind regards, Garfield.

just to add to what @GarfieldModular wrote - the befaco Out3 is also available as DIY both as a kit and as PCB/Panel

also note that what I mentioned are actual audio interfaces (or expanders for audio interfaces) - they plug directly into your computer (or expand an audio interface via ADAT)... the modules that @GarfieldModular mentioned are all audio output modules - they connect to an audio interface which then connects to your computer... might save you a bit of time researching!

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 23:54

Hi Broken-Form,

The ES-9 from Expert Sleepers is still on my wish list however I also can't comment on it since I don't have it.

If you want to start easy and small then the Befaco Out v3 is nice for starters. You can use it either as input or as output but not simultaneous, the price is reasonable though.

If your budget is a slightly bit better then go for the Intellijel Audio I/O module, it has two inputs and two outputs, it has a great LED meter (as a bonus) and this is my favourite Audio Interface module for jack connections. You also can check out my review report about it on my website (read only chapter 2 (Summarise) if you don't have much time):

https://garfieldmodular.net/index.php/intellijel/intellijel-audio-i-o/

It almost can do everything you need and it's reasonably priced. Only if you wish to have a phones output then this module is not what you need. The Befaco Out v3 has a headphones output though.

If you prefer to have XLR connections then consider the Vermona - Tai4, a great and good module, semi-affordable and good sound quality. If you need more functionality then go for the more expensive ACL - Audio Interface module that one is XLR as well and has headphones output too and has a good sound quality as well. Most expensive of the four here though.

I can all four recommend them, depending on your requirements. For something simple the Befaco Out v3 is sufficient otherwise for jack connections go for the Intellijel Audio I/O module. If it must be XLR then Vermona - Tai4 is good enough unless you really need XLR + phones then take the ACL one.

Good luck with the choice of audio interface module and kind regards, Garfield.

Edit: Removed typo.

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 23:46

Oh good call! Shoudn't look on MG after being outside all day. x3 Edited to fix. I like the idea of double Grids for drums, and I wonder if someone's made a DIY double Grids.

Hi Chinpira,

Yes indeed, the Befaco - Litch looks from a functionality point of view a bit like the Polygogo or at least they certainly have some similarities. Obviously the screen is missing with the Litch. The Litch, at least in that demo you provided here, it is MIDI driven, which is not my preference, I rather have direct controls. On the other hand the Litch can produce some real crazy sounds too! :-) I guess for someone who doesn't mind to use MIDI, the Litch is indeed an alternative to consider.

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Farkas,

Yeah crazy module it is ;-) It had been announced early 2019 and since early 2020 it's available, at least here in Germany, I got mine from Schneidersladen. Here is a link from a demo, introduction & explanation of the Polygogo by the creator of this module from E-RM in Schneidersladen on YouTube in English:

Now I need to somehow nicely ingrate it within an interesting patch ;-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Edit: Removed typo.

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 23:28

Hi Bleepadelic,

He, he, a "Mumble Drone", nice name! Indeed it's a lovely little mumble drone you created there. Perhaps next time an extended version of that? ;-) Thanks a lot for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Tunç,

He, he, great high energy small track, must have been lots of fun for you to play that jam! It was very enjoyable watching you at work in this video too! :-)

Thank you very much for sharing this with us and kind regards, Garfield.

Self driving modular

Many thanks to @Hellikova! Great seller. I bought the Pittsburgh Binary Filter, shipped next day, received in 3 business days. Well packed, and in good conditions, including the original box.

Hi Igor,

Great, thanks for letting us know. I will keep an eye on juno.co.uk currently not on stock. Kind regards, Garfield.

Thx for this multiple info. I thought that the buffered multiple can both, cv and audio. Ok 👌🏼
Eurorack is really fun, my learning curve is always up, slowly but up. in a few years I'll give you the tips;)
And I’ll follow the white rabbit to YouTube

-- Shapemodulator

you can use a buffered multiple for any type of multing - but it's 90%+ of the time unnecessary for anything but v/oct - ie from a sequencer to a vco

this is because you can get slight voltage drops when using passive multiples - which are irrelevant for anything other than v/oct (if you actually want to stay in tune)

I have a quite a few buffered (which I only use for v/oct) and passive multiples in my rack, but tend to use stackcables for passive multing

Thx for this multiple info. I thought that the buffered multiple can both, cv and audio. Ok 👌🏼
Eurorack is really fun, my learning curve is always up, slowly but up. in a few years I'll give you the tips;)
And I’ll follow the white rabbit to YouTube

you asked specifically can I use this as a multiple... basic reading skills and the ability to click on a link provide the answer!

if you'd asked:

does this

< Buffered multiple outputs
< Threads into three buffered outputs;
< source - the product description

mean I can use it as a multiple?

it would at least look like you'd done some research and don't just want to be spoon fed the answer!!!

so the answer is yes - you can, but if you want it for triggers, gates, cv and audio (and not v/oct) then it may be overkill - you just need a passive mult for those - buffered is only needed for v/oct (and in some cases where an output is expecting a buffered input - some make noise modules)

TBH - if what you want is a multiple - just buy a multiple - this appears to be massive overkill just for a mult!!!
or build one - really easy, if you can solder - if you can't it's really easy to learn - and a passive mult is a good place to start - and it's a very handy skill to have in modular synthesis - there are plenty of instruction videos on youtube - AISynthesis is great for beginner kits - like mults

-- JimHowell1970

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 21:13

expert sleepers es8, es9, depending on the type of usb your computer supports

the es8 at least is expandable, not so sure about the es9

es8 is similar sound quality to most usb interfaces - works fine for me

can't comment on the es9 as I don't have one

if you have an ADAT equipped audio interface already - you may also want to take a look at the es3 (and expanders) or the Boredbrain Music Optx (which is new out)

I don’t see Rings here but think he uses the double Grids for drum sequencing.

Love the look of this. ♥️ I really like Mylar's idea of double Grids. Do you find yourself using both? How're the Soundforce modules treating you?

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 23:39

you leave the studio????

-- JimHowell1970

Hi Broken-Form,

How about using an Audio Interface module to "solve" the problem or at least to make your audio output life easier?

I am using a PreSonus StudioLive Series III mixer and I have no issues, great sound.

Let's hope this is not the case but check it: In case you provided a far too "hot" signal to your mixer, worst case your input channels might have been burned up into smoke, try another input channel (not used for Eurorack before yet) and make sure you start with a very low output signal (start with zero) and then increase it slowly to something reasonable. Please do keep in mind that Eurorack signal -10 V to +10 V is too hot for audio/external mixers (max about -2 V to +2 V). One would expect that input channels have some kind of overload protection but don't count too much on it either.

Please let us know once you get something out of your external mixer.

Hence my advice to go for an audio interface module, less worries about DC components in your signal too! :-) Kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

what audio interface module can you recommend?

Yeah that is the selling point to me on the 1010 Bitbox that it can record and export as Ableton files for reuse easier in DAW.
Looks like multiple samplers would benefit me. Just like having lots of modulation sources and support modules.

I own the 1010 Music BitBox. I dig it for sampling modular... since it is modular. It's pretty simple to use and can record pre-specified lengths (when properly clocked).

The BitBox is also compatible with Ableton Live. You can load a 4x4 grid of samples into Ableton as a drum rack. This is nice for processing samples afterwards.

The language is also edible in a text editor, so swapping out samples or building new kits off-line is pretty easy.

It should only light up when there is a signal going into it. If it doesn't light up then, then there is a problem.
-- snowtires

will test tommorow

use channels 1 & 2 of veils for L
use channels 3 & 4 of veils for R

plugging a cable into veils breaks the normalization between the channel you're coming out of and the next channel

also - 'maths illustrated supplement' google and download if you haven't already!

sounds reasonable - hmm... I could use the tm to get a 'random bassline' into my sinfonion chnnel 1 (can be set to root and 5th only, very easily) - and dump the tune though... but I have other things for that, too... we shall see!

you asked specifically can I use this as a multiple... basic reading skills and the ability to click on a link provide the answer!

if you'd asked:

does this

< Buffered multiple outputs
< Threads into three buffered outputs;
< source - the product description

mean I can use it as a multiple?

it would at least look like you'd done some research and don't just want to be spoon fed the answer!!!

so the answer is yes - you can, but if you want it for triggers, gates, cv and audio (and not v/oct) then it may be overkill - you just need a passive mult for those - buffered is only needed for v/oct (and in some cases where an output is expecting a buffered input - some make noise modules)

TBH - if what you want is a multiple - just buy a multiple - this appears to be massive overkill just for a mult!!!
or build one - really easy, if you can solder - if you can't it's really easy to learn - and a passive mult is a good place to start - and it's a very handy skill to have in modular synthesis - there are plenty of instruction videos on youtube - AISynthesis is great for beginner kits - like mults

EDITED Sep 22nd 2021, 17:39

I get the distinct impression that I use Marbles and the 2hp TM for distinctly different things, I find the TM+Tune better for simple bass lines with a beat whereas Marbles doesn't seem quite as usable like that.... Marbles is probably great and I just need to twiddle the knobs to different settings.

Bro, we sequenced your sequencer with another sequencer.

-- Ronin1973

that's the spirit!!!

click the link and read the description!!!!!!
-- JimHowell1970

if you are familiar with the Eurorack then it is easy to speak. as a beginner like i am you don't understand everything

Bro, we sequenced your sequencer with another sequencer.

The amount of informations and knowledge that I can gain here are amazing, thanks guys. Although, I must say, I still have some really basic questions. Like for example - How can I utilize Rings, Plaits in Stereo mode, and both at the same time? Right now, one of them can go through Black Hole DSP and it's in stereo. But when I put them all through Veils, then I lose the stereo. I'm beginning to lose my mind or it has been a very busy day :)

Veils is a VCA. What effects do you feel the need to run through a VCA? Typically, you add effects just before the signal goes out to the mixer. But if you do have a signal that you want to keep stereo, then just use two channels of Veils. Split the envelope signal running to the CV input of two channels of Veils.

Studying Maths a lot, it's so much fun. But still - I feel so lost. OMG.

Watch this video from Loopop. Maths is just a great convergence of a lot of simple tools where the sum is greater than the parts.

Maybe add more sequencers? ;)
-- dadbodice

yeah maybe add another case for some more sequencing - you definitely need a sinfonion (or 2 or 3) in there for chords and to keep everything in tune!!!

click the link and read the description!!!!!!

It should only light up when there is a signal going into it. If it doesn't light up then, then there is a problem.

i bought a mutable instruments veils some time ago,havent had time to try to use it untill yesterday.

but it doesent light up(no light in it)is it broken?

Can I use the Ardabil as a multiple?

Befaco Lich has a patch called Polygonal VCO that is supposedly inspired by the Polygogo. I'm not sure if the two can be compared but I would like to know. :)

There is a demo here:

Maybe add more sequencers? ;)