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Hi !

I made this cheatsheet for my own use, and I'm sharing it here. I hope it will be useful to others.

Here's a google drive link to a higher-quality PDF (vector images) :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoVTx4lnHU1ooN_W3id6O5T2tNeHgdDG/view?usp=sharing

If you have any comments, corrections or ideas for improvement, don't hesitate to comment.
Cheers
- Top-right : Harmonnics
- Bottom-left : Timbre
- Bottom-right : Morph
- Dark-grey : AUX Output

EDITED Mar 16th 2024, 14:57

A waveshaper today. Very fast build, mostly surface mount already installed. Was missing a power header, but I had spares.

Very interesting folds, a nice unit though I didn’t do the Bias function correctly. Well worth it, and a great first kit.

Build

Thank you very much fro your kind answers

If you produce industrial rock music (excellent! We can also like ‘country rock music’ but some Skinny Puppy or Front Line Assembly titles are no less interesting than Harvest by Neil Young) I'm surprised not to see Noise Engineering modules in your racks. Basimilus might be more appropriate than Plonk (despite AAS's wonderful technology). And a Loquelic or a Manis might suit you.
-- Sweelinck

Ahah ! I was staring at the noise engineering stuffs, I've just fill the rack with functional modules. The only one that I will buy for sure are the one listed in my first post. For the other stuff, I'm not 100% decided of which module to go to. Noise engineering is probably a better choice for me, you're absolutely right.

I will also double check the power cosumption...
Thank you !

Unless you already have the Rackbrute, my experience with that case wasn't good and I ended up returning it even after they said they had fixed it. It got really really hot for me which wasn't happening with my TipTop uZeus power supply so the only thing I could think was it was the rackbrute power at fault. So hot it smelled like melting plastic all the time stinking the room out.

Now I run 2x TipTop uZeus for my small cases and some nice Konstantlab power for my main case.
-- wishbonebrewery

Oooops... Hopefully your unit was faulty, because i've already ordered the 2 cabinets...
Cheers !

EDITED Mar 10th 2024, 12:26

Unless you already have the Rackbrute, my experience with that case wasn't good and I ended up returning it even after they said they had fixed it. It got really really hot for me which wasn't happening with my TipTop uZeus power supply so the only thing I could think was it was the rackbrute power at fault. So hot it smelled like melting plastic all the time stinking the room out.

Now I run 2x TipTop uZeus for my small cases and some nice Konstantlab power for my main case.

I plan to start my eurorack journey soon. At 50, it's almost time !!!
Making industrial rock music (sorry ;) with regular hardware synths (moog/sequential/korg/waldorf) + Ableton Live and Push, I would like to add something more "raw" and "roots" to my setup, something to experiment with and lots of fun.

-- ouatataz

It is never too late to do the right thing :) I started modular at 62, long after my first synthesizer (1979, Arp AXXE). So there are cases much more desperate than yours :))

Without carrying out a complete review of your system (which overall seems well thought out and quite coherent), these few remarks...

Row 2 of your RackBrute 6U is a little too loaded: be careful, do not go beyond 80% of the available power (here it will be 640mA per row).

If you produce industrial rock music (excellent! We can also like ‘country rock music’ but some Skinny Puppy or Front Line Assembly titles are no less interesting than Harvest by Neil Young) I'm surprised not to see Noise Engineering modules in your racks. Basimilus might be more appropriate than Plonk (despite AAS's wonderful technology). And a Loquelic or a Manis might suit you.

µMidi is perfect for transmitting the clock and much more.

Sincere advice: start with a minimum of modules, play this little setup with your other synthesizers. Take your time to choose what you really need for your music: you will always come back to this, music is the only thing that matters.

Hi there,

I plan to start my eurorack journey soon. At 50, it's almost time !!!
Making industrial rock music (sorry ;) with regular hardware synths (moog/sequential/korg/waldorf) + Ableton Live and Push, I would like to add something more "raw" and "roots" to my setup, something to experiment with and lots of fun.

After lots of research and youtube videos played, I ended up with this potential (expensive) combos :
Bottom 3U = Arturia RackBrute 3U / Top 6U = Arturia Rackbrute 6U
=> 3x 88hp in total (-10hp for power supplies)

Sputnik V

I wanted to start with: Hel + Odessa (+ Metropolix as sequencer for it) / Zagrzeb/ Blck_Noir (+ Steppy + Dot as sequencers for it) / Zadar / QuadVCA / Mixup / Outs / 8-multi / MixerSplitter. Odessa will bring some west coast vibes to my stuffs :)

Quadrax + Batumi would also be good to add some more modulations, but I'm on a limited budget now...
I plan to upgrade this system little by little.

Also, I'm a little bit confused about the necessity or not to have an audio interface module like those of expert sleepers. In fact, I don't need this modular to be fully controlled by my DAW, sending a clock will be enough for now (the µMidi will do the job ?), to keep this system relatively autonomous. I already own an audio interface with 8 DC-coupled outputs, maybe I could use it later on with the CV_Tools of Ableton Live ?

Could you give me your expert opinion about this setup ? Is it balanced enough ?
Do I miss some important modules, maybe some utilities ?

Thank you very much in advance for your kind help !

EDITED Apr 21st 2024, 17:46

Hi there, I have my M8 that i really love and im thinking of maybe integrate that with my eurorack set up instead of just playing alone. Whats your experience with that? im thinking to add the CV OCD as bridge between M8 and modular..

Video premiere!
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This video was created manually by norwegian based artist Sasha Lukjanenko.
She made many paintings with her own hands, digitized them and created animations.
This resulted in a very meditative, symbolic, conceptual work.

Is this a good first module?

EDITED Mar 8th 2024, 13:32

Update:

I picked up a few of these pieces last month!

• Step 8. My new favorite module, unexpectedly my now-favorite oscillator, opens up all kinds of new patches.
• Quadrax. Totally solves the envelopes problem, I haven't felt strapped for modulation since I plugged it in.
• Ultra Random Redux. This one was always going to be an insta-buy for me, it came out last week so I grabbed it instead of Sports Modulator.

I also learned some quantizing tricks in the new Nerdseq firmware that have me feeling less GASy about sequencers / quantizers (though still would like to try something more performable one day).

I'm thinking that my next move is going to be to pick up a Contour 1 and lock in this config for the Mantis for the next year or so:

Going no-Maths seems fine given that I have plenty of other attenuation/offset options, plenty of envelopes in Quadrax, a Contour for one Maths-style envelope, and an extra slew circuit in the URR. Of the samplers, I think Nebulae is the one to keep in the rack for this config since it's less liable to distract me making "beats" and more focused on use as a looper, single voice, or fx. It also strikes me as neat to have three stereo effect outputs for Vortices's three stereo inputs -- not that I'd necessarily patch it that way, but it seems balanced. Steady State Gate is a sad cut but between that and Nebulae I'd rather keep in the Neb.

From there, I'll be selling off some of the stuff I'm not using and keeping the ALM case as overflow / a home for OPTX, or to re-rack subsystems for travel every now and then.

Mainly posting this for closure on the thread, but all ears if anybody has feedback!

I think you have all what you need. anything more will be luxury and G.A.S.

but if you have the money

Filters:
I like bastl Ikarie - 8 hp stereo filter with drive
or Winterbloom Neptune

Mimeophon, Nautilus or Sealegs could be an idea depending on your taste.

Morphagene or Nebulae

for great sounding percussion, SSF Ultra Perc is the shiiiit in my opinion

for dark stuff - SGR 20 from Knobtechnology
its my favorite new toy. Its a analog vco, noise maschine , Industrial drum voice, drone maschine
The vco is a variation of the buchla triangle and it has some buchlataste in it.

I think the SGR gives a new special flavour and im a big fan of it.
Sry if this goes to far, but I just want to share my euphoric

get a SGR 20 😁

https://open.spotify.com/album/7h724zB5ISc0ViQg2yf1dI?si=flSXhUIZTPi7sh2WbiOXcQ
My new IDM/Experimental Electronic Music release is a trip through our algorithmically enduced social media dystopia.

"The utopian promise of social media connecting the globe on the basis of common understanding of human worth was a noble and enchanting proposition. If “sunlight is the best disinfectant”, then having more engagement should have allowed the truth to rise to the top. But we’re painfully realizing that the more appropriate quote describing our situation is “a lie can run half-way around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”. As long as algorithms don’t perfectly align with the ideals of human flourishing, consumers and creators alike will fall deeper into the feedback loop of audience capture until we reach critical mass, causing our civil societies to erupt, then collapse. There is still time to course correct, but we must learn from our mistakes before we become totally distracted by the looming revolution in A.I."

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https://www.instagram.com/macro_micro/

Does the SSF Ultra perc replace the Ultra kick?

I had a run with the Ultra Perc and Im very impressed.
You can do great kicks and whole drum kit whit it.
It just makes me smile.

Im asking myself, if there is a need to keep the ultra kick, if I have a ultra perc
Honestly I didnt dig deep into the ultra kick. It just delivers a instant awesome kick, that is always great, but I didnt go much further.
I like it very much and it does percussion sounds as well.

What do you think?
Maybe you could tell me how you use them?
Maybe I overlook something and leaving the UK for the UP is a hastly decision?

Greetings

Chris

I'm fond of this filter:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/eowave-tempete-magnetique

and one that is smaller:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/supercritical-synthesizers-neutron-flux

For "dark ambient" the Nautilus as a delay processor would be a good addition:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/qu-bit-electronix-nautilus

Now that you are "down the rabbit hole," you'll constantly switch modules and such in search of what is best for you.

Have fun 8'). Think of it all as a haiku poem, getting as much out of a small framework as you can. Going big prematurely
costs a lot and can be wasteful. Concentrate on one module type at a time, and winnow things down.

EDITED Mar 5th 2024, 22:39

You're absolutely correct, I was wrong. Octave offset and key/octave are shared by all voices.
I've had this one some time ago and thought it could do that independantly for all voices.

Hi both!

It´s not that clear ...

I´ve read the manual but doesn´t appear to allow independent octave transposition accross channels.
There is a octave offset, but it´s not per channel i guess, just an overall transpose of the octaves.

-- redsquares

EDITED Mar 5th 2024, 16:30

I have a faulty O&C, that used to work well, but one moment stopped sending correct voltages out.
I used it mainly as a quad quantizer and worked fine.
One day pitches were all over the place.

I tried to calibrate it but couldnt do it properly.
The voltages i set didnt reach what was supposed to go out, according to the manual for calibration.

It might need another main processor, but i dont know how to do that, and dont have one to test it.
Also, might not be the processor that is faulty. So i would need someone who knows how to assemble them, and has a spare processor, in order to test, make sure that is the case, and repair it.

Of course i am willing to pay for the work.

I am in Portugal and can ship the module within the EU.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Peace

Hi both!

It´s not that clear ...

I´ve read the manual but doesn´t appear to allow independent octave transposition accross channels.
There is a octave offset, but it´s not per channel i guess, just an overall transpose of the octaves.

If you just take a look at the frontpanel, you'll have your answer.

hi

everybody, you do know Pamela's PRO Workout ??

have you tried reading the manual?

https://www.addacsystem.com/contents/productdownload/ADDAC_207_Quantizer_REV05.pdf

theres a section on transposing in it - I only read the table of contents...

I wonder if the 207 can individually octave transpose channels.
I know Bard Quartet can ...
I know Ornament and Crime can ...
Can ADDAC 207 ?!

Peace.

also interested in a filter that would compliment the forbidden planet,but maybe be a bit more "playable"bringing something else to the table

Consider also Frap Fallisitri or 2x Joranalogue Contour, 2x the Instruo one, if you don't need the utilities of maths

Just upgraded my whole system with tons of modules. Note that the 0-CTRL is standalone and just put on here for reference. Super simple P.T Silent Hill Vibes with wailing woman on a radio effect. For the Kickain, I just used a super slow multiplier from the Pamela to add some deep bass vibes. To get the background errie sound you go through the Basimilus IA is using the settings Metal and Treble along with turned all the way Harmonics and everything tuned to 12 o'clock. From the Basimiuls IA you could go through either Ghost or Nautilus and experiment with different effects. But the insane voice radio effect is through the Platis using the last option Speech Synthesis and shaping from the Pizza. Overall, absolutley creeped me the hell out and super excited to keep playing around with stuff. If anyones got feedback or other ideas, I'm more than willing to try!

EDITED Mar 5th 2024, 01:19

thank you for the your insight, Jim! i do have reverb and delay pedals and to save rack space i'm planning to keep effects as pedals, unless i can squeeze one in later on.

make sure you get some pedal interface modules then - modular is very high volume compared to effects pedals

i was planning on using the keystep pro to sequence.
a second vco would be way down the line. first want to start with a manis and build around that and the mother32, grab a pams and maths or maybe make noise function to save space, and fill up the rack space ive got left with filters, vcas and utilities.
-- madTraffick

I'd definitely go for the maths over the function... much more than just an extra function generator - the utilities in the middle make it 4-5 * the usefulness - and that's without learning to patch program it...

seriously the mantis is the way to go for a case - not the 3u rackbrute... you wouldn't believe the number of people who I've told this to - only for them to just buy a smaller case and then 2-3 months later they message me to say - yeah you were right, I just bought a mantis!!!

-- JimHowell1970

Yup, listen to Jim re: Mantis as a starter case, I'm one of those that didn't listen! :D

Thanks again, Jim. I hear you about the rack size, but I was gifted the 3u, so it is what it is. I am also going to be building it up slooooowwwllllyyyy, so in a year or two, I'll see where I'm at and possible sell my 3u for a 6u or mantis.

I'm going to start with a Manis, Pam's, and Maths, and begin the journey there... Then in a few months, I'll add a filter, maybe Wasp, quad VCA, and then I'll realize how important utilities are...

Kassutronics Slope.. my fav function generation & 8hp

i have again 8 HP for a last module

i will think about all that...

-- cores

i have again 8 HP for a last module

i will think about all that...

I love my JUNIPER MD, it offers a multitude of functions
-- BIOman

Yeah in such a small footprint. 8 tracks of LFO/Env/Function generators with all parameters CV controlable encapsuled in 8hp.. This and Pam Pro are my modulation heaven :)

I love my JUNIPER MD, it offers a multitude of functions

Juniper is probably (by far) the best and more complete one...

Here's something I came up with: combine a free-running CV sequencer with a free-running trigger sequencer, two sample-and-hold circuits, and two oscillators to create interesting duophonic melodies by just turning knobs. In my case I use a Xaoc Devices Moskwa CV sequencer for its quantized output, a Mutable Instruments Grids, a Joranalogue Select 2 for its low-droop S&H circuit, and two Shakmat Banshees. Additionally, I like to use the Doepfer A-173-1 mini-keyboard to transpose the second VCO (not shown in the patch).

The result is a melody that is sampled from the active CV step at every trigger, but since the triggers don't always arrive at the same time and the signal is held until the next trigger, both oscillators will often play different notes that are always musically related. Change the clock speed of the CV sequencer two influence which notes will be picked. Change its track length to determine how many notes to choose from. A variety of musical intervals, accidental chord progressions, and other happy accidents galore!

Patch notes in the description, best with headphones.

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Too many voices in a small space without enough modulation and utilities.

I've lost count of the number of times I've written that exact sentance... it's a very common newbie miustake... wanting lots of voices without a clue of the difference between a vco and a voice...

Think of how many different things are on the MS20 just to make that one voice (for the most part) feel alive and musical - envelopes, an LFO, two filters, sample and hold, "ring mod", and the external signal processor, plus a pitch wheel thingy. That's the sort of approach you want to take to modular if you want to get more out of it than you would just with complete synths and pedals.

indeed - probably a good idea to change "complete synths" in the last line to "incredibly basic synths"

start with a single voice... get the modules you need to support that voice...

if you think you'll want more than 1 start with a bigger case - a tiptop mantis is a good sized starter case - suitable for 2-3 voices... and when you choose things like modulation or vcas - buy quads - unless you have very very good reasons to buy fewer

Maths can do a lot of things, but not all at once, and certainly not enough for all these.

but it is an incredibly useful & versatile module... & something you can grow into - see the "maths illustrated supplement" for more details...

Pam's is also very powerful, but you don't want to rely on it for basic modulation, and it isn't very hands-on. None of these modules are necessarily bad,

in fact quite the opposite - all the modules are great, but not neccessarilt together in a small starter rack

plus read the manuals properly - Pams can be used as a quantizer - so no need for a separate one - plus nowadays I'd buy the pro pams and not the older "new"

but you should probably use this much space to make one or two excellent, super-flexible voices rather than 4 with what is probably slightly under the bare minimum of support.

more like 1...

Watch videos about complete modular systems, like the Make Noise Shared System/Tape and Microsound systems, or even do a bit of research on the suggested systems from Buchla (careful not to get sucked into that, though, because, while Buchla stuff is awesome, it makes Eurorack look like smart financial planning). Semi-modular synths as well. Get a sense of what people are using and calling "complete instruments" and why designers and users feel that way. It will help you design your system's vital plumbing in an informed way and make these modules feel and sound more like yours.

-- Zacksname

also take a look at my signature and have a good long think about it.... it's a simple formula for getting most versatility in patching for the least outlay (& scales from the smallest to the biggest systems)

a good starting point for a modular is:

a sound source, a sound modifier, a modulation source, a way to play and a way to listen (a quad vcdascading vca will work and is a good investment) plus if possible a few utilities

Honestly, you seem pretty set. If anything I'd maybe add a utility vca and more another modulation/envelope source. The real question is what do you need, what are you missing when you patch?

If you're set on using your Alesis keyboard look into the Befaco Midi Thing or the Noise Engineering Univer Iter. Otherwise you can go with a keyboard with CV outputs or you probably have enough space in your rack for a TSNM or another Pressure Point or similar controller.

You could also consolidate down and move your effects skiff into the main rack if the sizes here are representative.

Don't let unnecessary GAS get you. you have your bases covered, practice and master your modules and eventually you should naturally figure out what to weed out if it's not working for you or where to expand if you're missing some functionality.

If you just want to plug a keyboard into your modular, buying a plain Arturia Keystep will be cheaper than any MIDI to CV converter in Eurorack.

A Keystep Pro would be even better and would probably streamline your sequencing/producing here by giving you both the keyboard and access to multiple sequencer tracks, but that is a bit of a price jump from the Keystep or even the mighty Beatstep Pro that you have (plus the Keystep Pro lacks all the cool knobs).

The regular Keystep is your best bet here for just adding a single keyboard, though. It's cheap, has its own CV connections, does sequencing/arpeggios well, and can even be used as a MIDI to CV converter if you want to control pitch and gate of a module from, say, your computer. MIDI to CV is expensive to do in the rack and none of the cheapest options give you much mire power than a Keystep

EDITED Mar 2nd 2024, 21:33

indeed you need more modulation sources. Perhaps get a Batumi quad LFO or Maestro? That gives more options.

actually one thing ive been thinking i would like do is connect my Alesis Q25 midi keyboard to my system for more "Playability"but i need a midi to cv module for that right?but what module would work im abit baffled with this?

I used to be part of the "house band" at an open mic before Covid (the band was a drummer and me. Occasionally, the sound man would sit in on guitar). We would back up anyone who wanted back up. I was using the Sonuus G2M to trigger the synth with my bass guitar so I could play synth bass when appropriate. In between acts I would run a sequence and we'd jam until the next act was ready.
It's a good idea to have some kind of system for keeping your oscillators in tune if you're playing with other instruments. I have a TipTop Z3000 in my large rack () so it's easy enough just to dial up A440 and tune all the other oscillators to it. With my smaller rack () it wasn't as straght forward. I would use a tuner on my bass guitar and tune the synth to it.
Having the right musicians is important because they have to understand that when the sequence is running, it is king. You always have to listen to what the sequence is doing and play with it. Sometimes it's a set pattern, sometimes it's generative. When it's generative, you really have to be on your toes because you don't know where it's going.
I really liked playing with drummers. I was thinking about doing an act with a drummer and a sax player but it never got off the ground.

Too many voices in a small space without enough modulation and utilities. Think of how many different things are on the MS20 just to make that one voice (for the most part) feel alive and musical - envelopes, an LFO, two filters, sample and hold, "ring mod", and the external signal processor, plus a pitch wheel thingy. That's the sort of approach you want to take to modular if you want to get more out of it than you would just with complete synths and pedals. Voices and effects are cool, and they can sometimes even be used as really interesting modulation, but for the most part you'd need at least 2-3 times this space to feed these sound sources and effects. Maths can do a lot of things, but not all at once, and certainly not enough for all these. Pam's is also very powerful, but you don't want to rely on it for basic modulation, and it isn't very hands-on. None of these modules are necessarily bad, but you should probably use this much space to make one or two excellent, super-flexible voices rather than 4 with what is probably slightly under the bare minimum of support.

Watch videos about complete modular systems, like the Make Noise Shared System/Tape and Microsound systems, or even do a bit of research on the suggested systems from Buchla (careful not to get sucked into that, though, because, while Buchla stuff is awesome, it makes Eurorack look like smart financial planning). Semi-modular synths as well. Get a sense of what people are using and calling "complete instruments" and why designers and users feel that way. It will help you design your system's vital plumbing in an informed way and make these modules feel and sound more like yours.

EDITED Mar 2nd 2024, 09:17

thank you for the your insight, Jim! i do have reverb and delay pedals and to save rack space i'm planning to keep effects as pedals, unless i can squeeze one in later on.

make sure you get some pedal interface modules then - modular is very high volume compared to effects pedals

i was planning on using the keystep pro to sequence.
a second vco would be way down the line. first want to start with a manis and build around that and the mother32, grab a pams and maths or maybe make noise function to save space, and fill up the rack space ive got left with filters, vcas and utilities.
-- madTraffick

I'd definitely go for the maths over the function... much more than just an extra function generator - the utilities in the middle make it 4-5 * the usefulness - and that's without learning to patch program it...

seriously the mantis is the way to go for a case - not the 3u rackbrute... you wouldn't believe the number of people who I've told this to - only for them to just buy a smaller case and then 2-3 months later they message me to say - yeah you were right, I just bought a mantis!!!

thank you for the your insight, Jim! i do have reverb and delay pedals and to save rack space i'm planning to keep effects as pedals, unless i can squeeze one in later on.

i was planning on using the keystep pro to sequence.

a second vco would be way down the line. first want to start with a manis and build around that and the mother32, grab a pams and maths or maybe make noise function to save space, and fill up the rack space ive got left with filters, vcas and utilities.

I think if you want 2 voices you're better off going for the 6u rackbrute, or better yet a mantis (more space, better power and no rack wart wasting precious hp) - this is because the support modules that are needed for 2 voices are really squeezed into 3u and it will leave you some space to expand into without the extra expense of buying a second case...

& maths takes up a lot of space out of 83hp...

good starting advice: buy a bigger case, buy fewer modules to start!

I'd get a full size plaits clone - not the beehive - trimmers are notoriously imprecise - so if you want to use it for tonal music, it's difficult to tune!!!

I want this rig to provide lead melodies/arpeggios and atmosphere.

how are intending to sequence? no sequencer (except the random ones in Pams) & no aropeggiator... the keystep?

where's the atmosphere? no reverb, no delay???

What are some other modules that I should be focusing on for modulation? Or after I get a Maths, hypothetically, should I turn my focus to VCAs?

you've probably got enough modulation between Maths and Pam's... take a look at my signature - it's a rough guide to building a modular synth that's as versatile as possible, for the least outlay... you're missing sound modifiers and utiltiies... I'd want at least one filter for each voice - and as plaits has 2 outputs (not stereo as such) I'd want 3 and possibly more... plus at least one module that can do delat and another for reverb... unless you have pedals or something similar (which you don't state)

you'll also want to mix your sound sources...

sequential switches, sample and hold, attenuverters, attenuators and offsets etc etc are also highly recommended and incredibly useful - utilities are the dull (& inexpensive) polish that are needed to keep the shiny expensive modules shining

a separate clock divider is also very useful... great for creating bass lines from other audio... /2 = -1ve, /4 = -2ve

& yes maths has attenuators/offsets - but you'll be using them for patch programming maths - so will need more (download the 'maths illustrated supplement' for more information) - BTW patch programming sounds complicated, but it's just patching - in this case self patching a module to itself to get extended funtctionality...

& yes Pam's works as a clock divider - but I'm not sure it can divide external sources...

How many VCAs do you think I'd need for this type of setup?

more than you think you do... vcas are extremely useful and powerful - they are for modulation as well as for shaping notes - 2-3 per voice is a good rule of thumb - although as they're also useful for controlling volume - more is always better!!! there's a reason behind the meme - you can never have too many vcas!!!

a good starting point would be a veils clone (or similar) - which is a quad cascading vca - cascading in that it has mixing capabilities built in... you may find you want more than one of these (or at least an extra dual or triple vca)

i have read and see a lot of videos of MATHS

100% peoples says : MATHS is indispensable, essential...

i thinks i will buy it...

thanks for you reply

i am a little afraid by MATHS who look like very complicate to use

Doepfer A-143-1 seems to be simpler to use

-- cores

it's very simple, but deep... something to grow into... nothing to be afraid of!!!

I really enjoy maths and also rampage
I think maths can never be wrong and many ppl started with it.

I would like to try the tip top Buchla 281t
Can someone who has it, explain whats unique on it?

thanks for you reply

i am a little afraid by MATHS who look like very complicate to use

Doepfer A-143-1 seems to be simpler to use

EDITED Mar 1st 2024, 19:15

Apologies in advance for another ?wHaT sHoUlD i BuY? post, but here I am... I have done lots of research into modular but still find myself asking questions specific to my situation.

I am here to ask for your opinions on which types of modules you think I'd benefit from, and which types I don't need as much/to start. I plan on making a small modular rig (I don't have unlimited $$ for this) and will build slowly based on my needs. The rack will suplement some of my other gear. I want the rig two have max 2 voices and focus on modulating those VCOs and my Mother 32.

Gear for my modular Setup:
-Arturia Rackbrute 3U, 88hp (minus 5 hp power = 83 hp to fill)
-Mother 32 semi-modular
-Keystep pro

Other Gear in my setup
-Microfreak
-Drumbrute Impact
-Minilogue XD

Module I Need:
-Manis Iteritas Alia VCO (I absolutely love the sounds from this module - gritty, industrial, obscure, etc. Plus, it has the built in envelope, which seems beneficial). This is the only module I know that I want to build around. The BIA is an option too, but the Manis has me sold.

Modules I think I should get:
-Pam's Pro Workout (looks immensley useful and I can't think of any reason I wouldn't benefit from it)
-Make Noise Maths (because every single person recommends it and by all accounts seems like a swiss army knife of uses for 20hp
-After Late Beehive Plaits Clone (Hard/expensive to get an original MI Plaits so I'm all for this clone based on mostly positive reviews I've read)

Plan:
I plan on using this modular rig to supplement my existing setup.
I've got the Minilogue XD for chords, Mother 32 for basslines, Microfreak for whatever else I need, and Drumbrute Impact for drums.

I want this rig to provide lead melodies/arpeggios and atmosphere. Modulate the Manis and Mother 32, and possible the Plaits clone.

Questions:
-What are some other modules that I should be focusing on for modulation? Or after I get a Maths, hypothetically, should I turn my focus to VCAs?
-How many VCAs do you think I'd need for this type of setup?

I appreciate you taking the time to read through this, hopefully not too redundant beginner post. Thank you in advance to any and all comments and recommendations.

Cheers!

thanks JimHowell

do you have a MATH ??
-- cores

I do have Maths, yes... have done for about 6, maybe 7 years... used in every patch either simply or in a more complex way...

I also have the a-143-1...

If I could only have 1 then Maths it would be