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@Vbsmusic: check this store, it's in Italy. they've got new LS1 bundle on discount
https://www.newgroove.it/vendita/soundmachines-ls1-lightstrip-x3-bundle/
also single module, discounted price.
https://www.newgroove.it/vendita/soundmachines-ls1-lightstrip/
buy me a coffe ahah :D

Hi community,

just did a patch today to try my new klavis logica xt, i use the 3 output to modulate prism and rings, still not perfect but i think it's start to make sense...

it's a slow ambiant texture consist of Rings and Gen3 as sound source, sequence by hermod for rings, a copy of that sequence trough shiffty goes into gen3, rings filter by prism, modulations by tides and contour 1 & hermod, gen3 gets filter by filter8same mod source but differnet shapes...

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any comments are welcome

cheers!

use a stereo matrix mixer (as I suggested on reddit)

The robaux and similar modules don’t create polyrhythms.. but they can create polymeters. #bigdiff
-- T0MMI001

all true - but a simple clock divider (as long as it has /3,/5 etc) or multiplier (*3, *5 etc) can be used to create a polyryhythm - so easy (and not particularly expensive) it's to expand/augment them - it is modular after all!!!

EDITED Dec 21st 2022, 23:53

The robaux and similar modules don’t create polyrhythms.. but they can create polymeters. #bigdiff

Hi,
There is an offer on the marketplace
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/offers/view/730698

Anyone know where to get one of these? Or anything similar?
-- Vbsmusic

Best I can come up with is...

• Mult the audio output of both Cruin and Chainsaw four audio signals total.
• Send those signals into four 1U VCAs
• Mult a steady 10 volts into Mutes.
• Use Mutes to open and close those four VCAs.
• Those VCAs feed one mixer ahead of Ikarie and one ahead of NG
• Use Switchblade to change the v/oct into Cruin and the trigger into NG.

With those mutes I can turn off/on Crun and chainsaw into each of Ikarie and NG.
So with a few switches, turn off Chainsaw into NG, and Crun into Ikarie, while hitting Switchblade to change the melody into Cruin and NG.

If I always want CS into Ikarie and Crun into NG, I think I can get away with two VCAs - not Four!

I've got a live set coming up and plan to use this rack (maybe) along with Digitakt for beats.

Here is what I'm trying to do:

1 - I want to play four note chords through Cruin and Chainsaw via Harmonaig.
2 - Sometimes I want to play them through Ikarie
3 - Or switch them over to Natural Gate
4 - Or play a different melody line through Cruin
5 - And be able to split Cruin into Natural Gate while Chainsaw goes into Ikarie

As I work through the permutations, I start to get lost a bit - and am hoping to find a simpler approach. I own a lot of utilities, and am willing to buy another if something nails this. Here is my strategy so far...

• I am mixing Cruin and Chainsaw into the first Hyrol, and from there it is easy to mult that mix into both NG and Ikarie.
• I can then mix NG and Ikarie with 4xMix into Mimeophone.
• I can also change the v/oct into Cruin from Harmonaig to another melody line using Switchblade (which I can also use to change the trigger).
• But at that point I want to split Cruin into NG and Chainsaw into Ikarie. And I don't have a solution for that...

I could put another mixer in front of NG. Basically give each NG and Ikarie a dedicated mix. BUT, I'd love to be able to flip a switch or button to make the swap from chord to separate melodies - rather than twist knobs. I have mutes which might help - and could use more mults maybe.

The most obvious thing to do is repatch :) But this is for a live performance, and would rather not if I can find a module based solution.

Any slick ideas? Thank you!

It's running like a dream now!
excellent!!! good news...
It was the trim pots on the back. Had to adjust those to my likes.

yeah, buggers those aren't they - trimmers that need setting and on the back!!!! argh!

Thanks (again) Jim!
-- isolatediguana

I'd try on modwiggler/MusicTechDIY...

Hi
i want to build 2 passive modules but i am a noob.
are there any PCB experienced bleepbloppers out there who would like to transform my design into a file that can be uploaded to a PCB manufacturer? both modules are very simple but one has a multi layer PCB.
of course i pay for this job.
in case anyone is interested please send me a message.
thanks!

EDITED Dec 21st 2022, 17:00

thanks for the answers, I already have one modular synthesizer, yarns elements maths clouds, you're right about the larger case, we need to lay more utilities.

Robaux also has the SWT16+ in addition to the LL8. If you want something comparable to the Tiptop Circadian Rhythms, this might be a better choice. The price of the SWT16+ is between an LL8 and the Circadian Rhythms, but is also available as a DIY kit if you're into that. If you want something where you don't create rhythms per step but more generating it by knobs, you can look into something like the vmpe.de Euclidean Circles V2 (has six channels) or something like Mutable Instruments Grids, which has three channels + three accent channels of 25 mappable pre-programmed drum sequences)

Good to keep in mind while browsing for trigger / drum sequencers is what type of workflow you want. The SWT16+ and also other sequencers like the Erica Synths Drum Sequencer have a different project setup than the Circadian Rhythms (disclaimer: I don't have either of these but am looking for a drum sequencer as well so I've read up on their workflow).

In the Circadian Rhythms you have 8 outputs, called channels here. All 8 channels are bundled together in a preset and you can have multiple presets, which are then sorted into groups.
What's interesting about the CR is that all channels in a preset have a fixed length of 8 steps and you "extend" those 8 steps by looping a selection of presets. So let's say you want a 16-step rhythm, you can achieve this by looping two presets (can be any of the eight presets in a group). The looping multiple presets means that you can experiment more with combining different rhythms that you've made, as opposed to the more linear classic TR style approach. Also the interface of the CR is different, depending of the amount of presets you loop you can edit the triggers of multiple channels at the same time.

The Robaux LL8, SWT16+ and others like the Erica Synths Drum Sequencer have a more "traditional" TR-style approach. Channels are bundled into presets (similar to Circadian Rhythms' presets) and then divided in projects. However in these type of sequencers you can most of the time edit the default sequence length per channel, which is probably 16 steps. Depending on the module you can select less than 16 steps (which can create polymeters) but sometimes also extend the sequence length to 32 or even 64 steps.

Euclidean Circles is more based the number of filled steps divided by the number of steps, however it also has a step edit mode per channel (with a max length of 16 steps). Mutable Instruments Grids is its entire own thing, you can find lots of explanations online on how it works but it might be worth to take a look.

On the ModularGrid modules page you can filter on drum sequencer with a maximum width. Set function selection to "drum" and second function to "sequencer", punch in the max with in HP and have a look. Of course you will find some other modules as well (like drum voices or melodic sequencers) but it should give you an idea of what's out there.

Oh and one more thing; if you look outside of eurorack, there are plenty of sequencers that are eurorack compatible, have loads of features and are on average far cheaper than their eurorack-sized competition. For example the Arturia Beatstep Pro and the Korg SQ-64 just to name a few. Compared to something like the Tiptop Circadian Rhythms, the Beatstep Pro is half the price and fully eurorack compatible.

EDITED Dec 22nd 2022, 11:15

Thanks (again) Jim!

Thank you very much my friend. A friend of mine is taking care of it!

-- orys

That's good... hope it gets fixed!

-- JimHowell1970

It's running like a dream now!
It was the trim pots on the back. Had to adjust those to my likes.

Too many layers in one synthbass. There are 2 basic synthbass at 0.40 seconds. sub oscs are common, but oscillators at mid and treble frequencies are different. In short, I say mid bass and side bass here. In mid bass and side bass, one of the oscillators is an osc with analog thruzero fm feature. the other is a fully digital thru zero fm oscillator. I made this mainframe by programming it in analog logic. but there are still some extra moves. I cut them out of some of my synthbass jams and inserted them into the song.

Hi Guys,
my new piece "Nebel" for handpan and a small modular synthesizer in calm and thoughtful mood is available on Youtube.
Mostly TipTop Buchla clones modules, the sequence from the ER-101 and the effects are Erb-Verb and Echophone.

Greetings from Germany! 😇

Wow! That's really intense. Amazing job. I'd love to know how this kind of track is made. Is there a lot of recording small samples and editing them together in a DAW? For example the section that starts at 0:40. It sounds complicated...

Thanks for sharing. Cheers!

For FH-2 polyphonic playing you could setup in the configuration tool:
Type: Poly, 2 Voices;
Per Voice Ouputs: CV, Gate or Trigger, Velocity(?) and Envelope(?). ( 4 x 4 )
Then you'd have a full 8 expander outputs for whatever—the filter and repeater, one of the Noise Engineering modules, bitbox?

You have two oscillators yes, so to play your rig polyphonically you'd have to patch both oscillators and mix them down to a single centred output so you can then bring them into your reverb, delay effects and make them stereo. Otherwise you'll have two voices, one in left side, one in right—probably not what you want. Of course you can record each voice separately and have as many layers as you want in your DAW. But you basically have two subtractive signal paths osc/bb>filter>fx and osc/bb>fx>filter, so this is not gonna be complicated.

The bitbox does multisample polyphony too with MIDI, so you have that option with your Keystep.

If you dropped an expander there is the Disting, I don't have it but it is VERY POPULAR—44128 racks.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/expert-sleepers-disting-mk4

or since you're doing sound design you could look into the Happy Nerding FX—also well liked and popular, also something I don't have, haha. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/happy-nerding-fx-aid-black-gold

Ultimately it comes down to you. Personally I'd probably not devote so much hp in a small case to a reverb and two different delays... but your name is Echo so that's your thing. Do your thing.
-- Toccata

Thanks for the feedback. There's 3 oscillators in the system when you count the basimilus. Plus I have a mother 32 so that's 4 voices. Technically the maths and I think mimeo could be used as a voice as well. So FH2 plus 1 expander gives me 3 voices + 4 outputs leftover for modulation. That's probably enough. I also might mess with MPE controllers...so I just wanted to have enough outputs for that. I plan on playing it polyphonically...saving those parts as samples into bitbox...looping a variety of those and reusing the oscillators for other things afterwards.

In terms of too many delay and reverb...I agree. I own the mimeophon already...but I'm very intrigued by Nautilus and definitely would like to pick that up. I heard they are very different and I'd like the sound design possibilities of Nautilus...it has distortion etc. For reverb, I wanted the starlab...but it's too large to be practical in my case...and wouldn't fit with the modules I currently own. So the NE reverb was what I came up with as a substitute....perhaps it isn't necessary and I can just use DAW reverb.

I will check out those modules. I just don't want to complete my case and be missing something that is important.

Cheers,

EDITED Dec 20th 2022, 18:54

A filter from Jolin Lab in Italy.
Another very quick build, mostly surface mount already installed. Not necessarily for beginners, though, it can be tricky to not damage the surface mount parts while you're soldering the jacks and so on, some parts are VERY close to delicate surface mount parts.
It sounds OK. Not as aggressive as I expected, seems to be milder to my ear.

Build

thanks for your response farkas,

i might find time next week to get more in detail about the system and for what im aiming for... .

Hi,
Very large modules for a very small box.
As a newbie I have started with a 6U x 104HP DIY case two months ago and I almost have it full.
Och is a very good module, and they can be modulated between them through the CV input. Another option, with more wave types and synchronizable would be, for example, the double LFO of NLC, it also occupies 8HP, the same as the two och
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/nonlinearcircuits-dual-lfo-vco.
In addition to the lfo's,A compact TILT-type function generator would be nice, for example.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/after-later-audio-tilt
Totally agree with @JimHowell1970, you need a sequencer with pitch output, not just gates.
And some VCA's, attenuverters and a mixer for the audio output.
If you change the Starlab for a
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/happy-nerding-fx-aid-xl-black
you can save space for everything else, although I think you should go for a bigger case, even if you don't fill it up at the moment, blind panels are cheap.
BR

A sequential switch is used, for example, to channel the modulation signal from a source to several destinations dynamically by means of a trigger. You can also send a sequenced trigger to different destinations.
-- ferranadsr

Interesting, that's something I use stages for. I guess I was conflating it with sequencing.

So, would ornament and crime or a pams be more utilitarian? I know that o_C has a lot of different algorithms, and can have two operating at the same time, but I also feel like pams has more direct programming.

-- fretless19

stages is a great module, it can be used for both sequential switching and sequencing, amongst other things... the only problem with it is that it can only be used for so much at a time - only 6 stages per module...

sequential switches are also often bi-directional so you can switch a single modulation source between four different destinations and also 4 modulation sources to a single destination... doepfer make an inexpensive and small one a-151

EDITED Dec 20th 2022, 16:03

maybe... but only newbies who've bought without enough research/thought going into the process...

depending on what you want from it - I'm guessing melodic music of some sort as opposed to percussive (because of the atlantis & rings clone) then it's not going to stay that way long as it will be pretty unusable for that purpose...

how are you intending to sequence pitch? euclidean circles only sequences trigger/gate - there's no pitch sequencer or midi->cv module!!!

2 free running lfos doesn't really work so well - maybe replace one of those with a syncable modulation source

get a bigger case... you'll want it within a very short time and a bigger case now is cheaper than buying an extra case the same size or upgrading... & less hassle! A Tiptop Mantis is a good starter case - balance of cost/hp./good power supply/manufacturer reputation etc

Starlab is massive in this size case (por for that matter one double the size) - smaller fx modules are available and more versatile (fx aid pro for example)

no utilities - no mixers, no vcas, no attenuation of any kind and that's just for starters - there's nothing that's needed to support the modules that are in the case...

please see my signature for some hints on how to build a versatile modular synthesizer and then go and look at a lot of other newbie posts to see why this is not a good build!!!!

if the external modules can output arpeggios via midi then yes - all the mutant brain does is convert midi to cv & gates

you will probably find you want/need to use a midi merge box of some sort so that the outputs from both external boxes can be combined before being sent to the midi -> cv inteface

Great track! Subtle and trippy and Christmasy all at once. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!

https://blackwarriorlures.bandcamp.com/track/carol-of-the-quirks

Hello fellow wigglers. I currently have the ALM mmMIDI module and I am thinking about swapping it out for the Hexinverter Mutant Brain. What I would like to do is use my external gear (Novation BassStation and Erica DB-01) to create arpeggio patterns and then send those patterns to my modular system. Would the Mutant Brain accomplish this?

What Farkas said..
two recommendations if you want to add percussion in your setup
* the Percall by Befaco. Vca+envelop generator easy and nice.. but what makes it one of my fav is the choke option.
* the sound-force sample modules; three 4hp sample modules, preloaded with classic sounds 808, 909 y the lindrum (my fav)

Nice little Hive sound

The idea was to be able to play polyphonically and also have some slots leftover for random lfos etc. But I'm sure 1 expander would be good. If I drop one of those any suggestions for another 4hp module to fill the case?

I'm a big fan of Trent Reznor and his experimental scores so this will heavily be a sound design rack...however I want to be able to play live with my keystep pro. Bitbox for percussion, keystep pro sequencing that. Then I have many voices leftover in my rack.
-- echo7

For FH-2 polyphonic playing you could setup in the configuration tool:
Type: Poly, 2 Voices;
Per Voice Ouputs: CV, Gate or Trigger, Velocity(?) and Envelope(?). ( 4 x 4 )
Then you'd have a full 8 expander outputs for whatever—the filter and repeater, one of the Noise Engineering modules, bitbox?

You have two oscillators yes, so to play your rig polyphonically you'd have to patch both oscillators and mix them down to a single centred output so you can then bring them into your reverb, delay effects and make them stereo. Otherwise you'll have two voices, one in left side, one in right—probably not what you want. Of course you can record each voice separately and have as many layers as you want in your DAW. But you basically have two subtractive signal paths osc/bb>filter>fx and osc/bb>fx>filter, so this is not gonna be complicated.

The bitbox does multisample polyphony too with MIDI, so you have that option with your Keystep.

If you dropped an expander there is the Disting, I don't have it but it is VERY POPULAR—44128 racks.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/expert-sleepers-disting-mk4

or since you're doing sound design you could look into the Happy Nerding FX—also well liked and popular, also something I don't have, haha. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/happy-nerding-fx-aid-black-gold

Ultimately it comes down to you. Personally I'd probably not devote so much hp in a small case to a reverb and two different delays... but your name is Echo so that's your thing. Do your thing.

EDITED Dec 20th 2022, 00:26

Settings for Disting MK4

H-4 Dual Quantizer
P0 = 31
P1 = 31
P2 = +3 Minor
P3 = +3 Minor
P4 = 0
P5 = 0
P6 = 0 = C(?)

does anyone have similar builds?

A lot of the reason to get into modular is the ability to turn anything into a percussive sound source. It's only limited by your imagination. An oscillator, wavefolder, low pass gate, etc... Even a self-oscillating filter, VCA, and envelopes... That's what makes modular fun.
There are plenty of drum oriented modules like Basimilus Iteritas Alter, Plonk, and the now discontinued WMD stuff, but drum machines are far cheaper. Just depends on what you are trying to do, and how deep you want to get into creating your own sounds.
Good luck and have fun.

Sorry I missed the part with the mixer. Sure, an external mixer would help.

I have an ES-3 and have used it for sound design and composition, but never for playing the case, mainly because I do not play a modular and use it solely for sound design and composition. Something like the ES-3 is good for communication between the DAW and the case. I also have a Mutant Brain MIDI-CV module that I had bought in 2019 for a specific project. I'll use that to send note/gate data to the case and use the ES-3 for sending envelopes, LFOs and also audio.

Personally I find most modular performances boring OR music that could easily be done using a laptop or other hardware boxes. Lots of reverb-drenched pointless ambient doodlings or never-ending arpeggios over 4/4 kicks. I think most people use a modular for the sake of using a modular - an extension of a pitfall in electronic music (academic or non-academic) - the tool or process is more important than the end result. I will, however, give myself a last chance at trying to play with a modular by focusing only on my Make Noise modules as a consistent, single-producer system.

If you want some more interesting, experimental uses of modulars in live performance and composition, I'd recommend checking names like Thomas Lehn, Richard Scott, Eliad Wagner, Thomas Ankersmit...

any advice for a module that can be a good percussive sound source?
don't need anything realistic

No worries.. :)
No it’s just a trigger sequencer, 8 outs
So a lot of possibilities to expand your drum/perc rhythms or trigger envelopes

Robaux ll8"?
-- T0MMI001
sorry, I'm a modular newbie: does this module have internal sounds?

-- unguitar

Robaux ll8"?
-- T0MMI001
sorry, I'm a modular newbie: does this module have internal sounds?

It's discontinued now, but Warps from Mutable Instruments is a useful wave folder/ring mod/crossfader/TZFM thing (further expanded with the Parasites firmware.) I'm not always crazy about digital modules or remembering modes and that kind of thing, but I've found Warps to be pretty darn useful. You might find something like that valuable in 10hp.
Also, shout out to Sam Prekop! I'm a huge fan of all of his and John McEntire's projects.
Good luck and have fun.

EDITED Feb 27th 2023, 07:24

If I have a Yamaha MG12XU mixer, why do I need a stereo mixer in the rack?

Perhaps I do not need one of the expanders for the FH2. The idea was to be able to play polyphonically and also have some slots leftover for random lfos etc. But I'm sure 1 expander would be good. If I drop one of those any suggestions for another 4hp module to fill the case?

I'm a big fan of Trent Reznor and his experimental scores so this will heavily be a sound design rack...however I want to be able to play live with my keystep pro. Bitbox for percussion, keystep pro sequencing that. Then I have many voices leftover in my rack.

A sequential switch is used, for example, to channel the modulation signal from a source to several destinations dynamically by means of a trigger. You can also send a sequenced trigger to different destinations.
-- ferranadsr

Interesting, that's something I use stages for. I guess I was conflating it with sequencing.

So, would ornament and crime or a pams be more utilitarian? I know that o_C has a lot of different algorithms, and can have two operating at the same time, but I also feel like pams has more direct programming.

How would you define a sequential switch as opposed to a sequencer?
I will often use stages as cv sequencers
-- fretless19
Hi,
A sequential switch is used, for example, to channel the modulation signal from a source to several destinations dynamically by means of a trigger. You can also send a sequenced trigger to different destinations.
It is a basic module, for example
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-151
You can watch this video where they explain it very clearly with a lot of options.

BR

How would you define a sequential switch as opposed to a sequencer?
I will often use stages as cv sequencers

Hi,
If you plan to put Pamela I don't think you need any more clock modulator.
I agree with @JimHowell1970, a sequential switch and maybe a matrix mixer and an attenuator/attenuverter could be good options.
BR

Thanks a lot! Strega's the main reason for it, I think ahah!

Cheers!

I think you've got enough sound sources - light on utilities though - this is where I'd add - they will vastly increase versatility

logic, attenuators, mixers (sub and matrix), switches, more vcas etc etc etc

I would only add another sound source to this if I was adding more rows

see my signature for some hints

Thanks for checking it out, Fred. Much appreciated.

i would like to get some input/different look on my setup...i want to buy the metropolis seq. in the near future and would like to know if i miss something essential in my 2 boxes. . . .
(ps: i will replace the doepfer vco at some time. . . )

(music i like: jim o rourke, sam prekop, eliane radigue (literally everything from the grm circle).. . .