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The new 4 hp expansion for the Ochd is awesome! Just looking at your small case made me wince that there
was no room for it if you did use an Ochd. 4 triggers, 8 waveshapers would really expand the capabilties of
the small case.
I'd seriously consider a smaller 8 hp uRings instead of the original Mutable Instruments
to make space for it -- that would also clear up another 2 hp for a useful 2HP (company name) Clk
or a 2HP Mult.
-- halbroome
Thanks for that! I had no idea the expansion offered that degree of functionality!
+1 on the Clep Diaz, great little LFO / Stepped Random etc
-- wishbonebrewery
Thanks for that. My only concern with the Clep Diaz is the limitation of one lfo. Otherwise, it looks like a swiss army knife for a small system.
Hi Jim. Planning on synching it (somehow) to my Microfreak.
that will work - clock out ofd microfreak into whatever you are syncing to - just make sure you set both clocks appropriately... see the manuals
While 32 hp is very limited, it's fun to see how much I can coax out of these for live gigs.
Modular is certainly an expensive adventure. Sometimes the economical route is the only choice, and I wouldn't hold it against someone if they choose that route. But one thing to keep in mind, if everyone gives their money to the cloners instead of the innovators, we are eventually going to run out of innovators.
-- PragmaticusMax
Sadly some are too stupid and selfish to even acknowledge this simple fact.
Hi everyone, I'm working on a rack and want plaits, in case I can't find the original, even though I should be able to, I'm wondering if there's anything I should know about the clones. Is there one that's better / more accurate than others, or any I should stray away from? Thanks.
On the more expensive side you can look at MakeNoise Morphagene (want one) or Mimeophon (Got one) lets you hold a loop in its buffer and if you are clocking Mimeophon you can make it play in time with other parts and get as creative as you like.
-- wishbonebrewery
Yes, they look great but cost and current case size is limiting my options at the moment. everything so far is in an 84hp case. But I have seen 6U rackbrute which will be dream future case maybe one day. I am in no rush - just enjoy the modules I have.
Hi, not to steal your thread but I've been looking into using an outboard mixer in the future to have functionality to record individual outputs directly into Ableton...
From looking around thinking along the lines of:
Presonus StudioLive AR12 or 16c, Signature 12 MTK, Tascam Model 12 Analog Mixer with Digital Recorder...
Anyone have any experience of doing this AND/OR recommendations of product above or other?
-- Traxam
no, but - make sure whatever you do get has proper multitracking and attenuators (possibly called pads) on the way in...
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
On the more expensive side you can look at MakeNoise Morphagene (want one) or Mimeophon (Got one) lets you hold a loop in its buffer and if you are clocking Mimeophon you can make it play in time with other parts and get as creative as you like.
I do fancy a 2hp Loop though, maybe 2 of them for Stereo would be fun.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
+1 on the Clep Diaz, great little LFO / Stepped Random etc
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
The new 4 hp expansion for the Ochd is awesome! Just looking at your small case made me wince that there
was no room for it if you did use an Ochd. 4 triggers, 8 waveshapers would really expand the capabilties of
the small case.
I'd seriously consider a smaller 8 hp uRings instead of the original Mutable Instruments
to make space for it -- that would also clear up another 2 hp for a useful 2HP (company name) Clk
or a 2HP Mult.
Thanks for that, halbroome and ambientvalent. Will definitely keep the Clep Diaz in mind. Yes, I have been on the fence with Ochd, but it would certainly be an excellent addition to my slightly bigger and less mobile rig.
Hi Jim. Planning on synching it (somehow) to my Microfreak. While 32 hp is very limited, it's fun to see how much I can coax out of these for live gigs.
Hi, not to steal your thread but I've been looking into using an outboard mixer in the future to have functionality to record individual outputs directly into Ableton...
From looking around thinking along the lines of:
Presonus StudioLive AR12 or 16c, Signature 12 MTK, Tascam Model 12 Analog Mixer with Digital Recorder...
Anyone have any experience of doing this AND/OR recommendations of product above or other?
Ah cool, nice find! Thats what i meant above, it uses the python library "svgwrite".
Supercool that someone already coded the connection to touch designer.
I recently purchased another "voice" in the form of a pre owned Radio - ST Modular https://www.modulargrid.net/e/st-modular-radio I liked the idea of scooping up radio signals and using them, which is great but I am now wanting a way to record snippets of my radio audio.
Initially I was looking at Big T Music's Monsoon (Clouds clone) https://www.modulargrid.net/e/big-t-music-monsoon
for many reasons plus the fact it has the freeze button that could grab the random radio audio ( max 8 seconds at lowest quality). I have now seen 2hp Loop which from what I have seen can record upto 5 minutes and slow it down and a range of other functions including layering the sound and loop it of course. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/2hp-loop-black-panel This sounds great in producing some interesting sounds for my ambient generative rack.
I used to do some projects with Touch Designer, unfortunately it can't export SVG. For a better understanding of your plotter you should read about the difference of pixel graphics and vector graphics. That should clear some things, espacially what your plotter demands. However you have the possibilty to convert pixel data to vector data through tracing, but I would not recommend that route.
about realtime drawing I believe is hard to do it
Yes, I'd go so far and say it is just not possible with that setup for reasons stated above. :)
about realtime drawing I believe is hard to do it..( I do not have any info or knowledge in order to obrain this result)
Ate the moment I'm using Touch Designer as software to erlaborate MIDI signals from an Arturia MK 3
The software can map the MIDI controls and after you can create your own project ( I0m still learning TD to obtain somethin.. perhaps an SVG )
The VCMC by Befaco can be my solution, it is expansive !
I will keep to study in that way-
Hope to achieve some good result soon..
sweet, I will then just prioritize Pam / Maths / Veils / Aid Pro
I was trying to look here on modulargrid for matrix mixers and reading a bit about them, they do look super interesting, if you have any to suggest please feel free. It won't be an immediate purchase as I seriously need time to experiment with these modules as soon as I will be able to get them all, but always good to consider for future needs.
Pams will do all that - read the manual... if you don't understand anything - just ask (no stupid questions etc)
amazing, will surely do.
& I think you mean marbles not beads, marbles is a (quantized) random cv and gate generaor, beads is a granular/delay/reverb and the only mutable module not open sourced (may be in the future, only Emilie knows) so could be expensive
yes sorry I wrote the wrong thing, good to know this info too.
One last thing, similar to the mixer, if you have any module you would reccomend please feel free, it won't be anything for right now, but would be good to start to have an idea on expantion and where to expand.
thank you so so much for the reply!! super useful.
No problem, good!
oh i wish i had a mom32, i have a midi keyboard komplete kontrol m32 :) i'd trade anytime hehe
ah I misread (or mis-assumed) - I only really know modulars, guitars, effect pedals and some older synth stuff
hehe touchè the original plan was to get plaits, but then a quite cheap rings came about and i couldn't let it go :) but get your point i'll definitely keep it in mind.
often happens like that...
sweet, i'll swap things out later and evenirally get the bigger AID
I'd really prioritise the pro - I had the xl for at least a year before the pro came out & like a lot of these multi-function modules it got stuck on a single algorithm... until I bought the pro... plus the pro has a basic scope built in which beginners often find useful - although patching whatever signal into a simple vco (some of the plaits modes will work) and listening is just as good if not better (use your ears not your eyes!!!)
the MIDI i guess would be to play it piano style, but yes surely not my top priority.
yeah but remember not polyphonic...
do you have any suggestion for the mixer?
just to recap
Pam -> (plaits & rings ) -> maths -> mixer -> veils -> fx aid pro
tbh you could use veils as a mixer
do you know if i could trigger randomic/generative sequences with these modules alone or then i would need to buy beads (clones) or something similar ?do you have any suggestions?
Pams will do all that - read the manual... if you don't understand anything - just ask (no stupid questions etc)
& I think you mean marbles not beads, marbles is a (quantized) random cv and gate generaor, beads is a granular/delay/reverb and the only mutable module not open sourced (may be in the future, only Emilie knows) so could be expensive
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I think you are right, Plonk is not needed here as Squid is a sound source on it's own.
The massive filter seemed a good idea as it is actually 2 filters with drive and fm so it can handle 2 sound sources.
there are smaller filters that will do this... also 2 individual filters is often a good idea - they sound different...
I will have a look at zadar and batumi expander as I am not aware of them
read the manuals thoroughly and make sure you understand them before you buy the modules = less surprises - if you have questions, ask...
I was thinkin about doing the mixing on the iPad but if space alows it maybe submixing would be usefull
sub mixing is for adding sound sources oir individual waveforms before processing with for example a filter...
It is something I do in VCV with S&H + VCA + polyphonic quantizer and logic. The idea is to make melodic progressions by grabing a note from the melody and randomly routing it back to the root note input of the quantizer. I also try to change rythms and add silence in the same way. I use logic to space events out or add randomness. But I am not very experienced so maybe there are better ways to do that.
Pams can do this on it's own...
Squid could also be used as a way of building a library off sounds created with the modular. These sound can then be triggered or sequenced and give me 8 more sound sources.
imo that is a lot of sound sources in such a small case - where often each sound source will want processing...
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I think this could be very interesting, but I would not know a solution in real time as you have to convert your music (or rather elements of your music) to a SVG file (it can't read jpg or png, your plotter needs a discrete vector format says the manual). So you can't just let the plotter do stuff while you jam with your gear. The plotter needs a closed file in a discrete structure to work. For example a SVG-File needs a header that starts with "svg" and an end of file that is marked with "/svg" . Thats what you can submit to the device .
I own a VCMC by Befaco. With it you could record your modular session and bring elements of your music to MIDI. The VCMC is very versatile in that regard. On your PC I'd say python is the perfect tool for the task as python has libraries that can read MIDI-events and libraries that can create SVG -files (these files are structured like XML files, but specifically for vector graphics).
But with python you could convert whatever information your MIDI file has to whatever element you want in your SVG. A simple task to start would be one note to one strike on paper. Note pitch to y-position and note length to length of this line. But it can really be whatever you want. A quick look at the SVG-documentation shows the huge potiential of shapes you can get.
This sure needs some research and developement but I'd say it could look super rad. But i am afraid you'd need at least basic programming skills for that. And it could take quite some time to get nice results. Thats a really nice plotter you have there. :)
After lots of tinkering and re-patching, best approach seems to be to adding a VCA at the end of the Kick drum patch using the ADSR out2 to tame the voltage variation. Got lots of pumping from the A-119 now. :)
thank you so so much for the reply!! super useful.
oh i wish i had a mom32, i have a midi keyboard komplete kontrol m32 :) i'd trade anytime hehe
hehe touchè the original plan was to get plaits, but then a quite cheap rings came about and i couldn't let it go :) but get your point i'll definitely keep it in mind.
sweet, i'll swap things out later and evenirally get the bigger AID
the MIDI i guess would be to play it piano style, but yes surely not my top priority.
do you have any suggestion for the mixer?
just to recap
Pam -> (plaits & rings ) -> maths -> mixer -> veils -> fx aid pro
do you know if i could trigger randomic/generative sequences with these modules alone or then i would need to buy beads (clones) or something similar ?do you have any suggestions?
again thank you so much for all your help, really appreciated
there are plenty of things you could do with mom32 - just send sync or a sequence or modulation - or a combination of all 3 - remember mom's pitch is offset though...
1 of everything? but 2 sound sources - see my signature to see how to get the most versatility from your patching for least expense... have a good long think about how this (especially the formula) applies to your rack
I'd not buy a fx aid - I'd buy the pro version though - why? ergonomics, modulation and most importantly being able to tell which algo you are using without a cheat sheet - if you decide you need a second fx aid at some point you can use the pro as an inrack cheat sheet - just sync the 1st 32 algos - so a regular or an xl would be fine
no idea about the alm cases - I'd suggest a tiptop mantis - best bang for buck case (hp/cost/decent quiet power/manufacturer reputation)
nothing screams wrong
why would you want midi?
I think you'll want a bigger mixer than the field kit
I'd add a matrix mixer next... really useful for getting more interesting (& attenuated/attenuverted) modulation out of what you have there
tbh I'd buy pams, maths, a matrix mixer and a quad vca (I'd go for a veils clone for this though) to start... and then an fx aid pro
hope this helps
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I think you are right, Plonk is not needed here as Squid is a sound source on it's own.
The massive filter seemed a good idea as it is actually 2 filters with drive and fm so it can handle 2 sound sources.
I will have a look at zadar and batumi expander as I am not aware of them
I was thinkin about doing the mixing on the iPad but if space alows it maybe submixing would be usefull
Squid I want to use for cv live looping to build nice melodic and harmonic progressions.
It is something I do in VCV with S&H + VCA + polyphonic quantizer and logic. The idea is to make melodic progressions by grabing a note from the melody and randomly routing it back to the root note input of the quantizer. I also try to change rythms and add silence in the same way. I use logic to space events out or add randomness. But I am not very experienced so maybe there are better ways to do that.
Squid could also be used as a way of building a library off sounds created with the modular. These sound can then be triggered or sequenced and give me 8 more sound sources.
Basicaly what I what to avoid in modular is a continuous flow of sound playing on the same rythm and notes :)
Finally found a great kick drum sound using a Doepfer A-105 and pinging it with an ADSR.
The problem is the resulting kick drum sound has an unstable (intermittent) positive voltage in the artefacts of the resulting sound, making it useless to generate envelopes to duck VCAs.
Has anyone got any tricks to make a more 'stable' sound. Quick term fix seems to be a low pass filter (set very low) before the envelope generator, but I'd rather be able to fix the kick sound itself.
EDIT:don't get why the screenshot is a bit funked, so ye i have the beads in instead of the dual dagger
hello everyone,
this is my very first rough plan at making my first eurorack and i would like to ask for opinions and help on the design aspect and module reccomendation.
the goal
i would like to explore the sound possibilities erorack has to offer, so the main goal for this is synth sound modulation. i also love entropy and randomness as well, so i'd like the synth to be able to "run" and create sequences of its own. the sort of sound i would like to achieve is soft and mellow, i love lo-fi music, and soft ambient. my favourite piano is the rhodes mkII just to give you an idea but i would like the rack to be able to produce both bass and lead sound and all in between.
the gear
i do possess other gear as well that i intend to play with alongside this instrument. i do own:
M8 ( with which i plan to program the drums )
OP-1 ( plan to jam on top with it and further drums )
Norns shiled ( probably add depth to the whole song )
Field Kit ( plan to use as a mixer with everything plugged together )
As you can see i do own some external gear i want to use in conjuction, so i'd really like to focus on the synth sound and random sequencing ( at least initially ). i also own a MIDI Native Instruments M32 it would be awesome to be able to control the rack with it too.
the rough plan
As you can see from the link to my rack rack_V02 i've chose a case which is just 3U. i think i will end up buying a 6U, most likely the ALM Busy Circuits 84 HP 6U ( i would love to know some feedback if anyone has a case from ALM already ). the reason i just set up the 3U in rack_V02 is that i plan to buy some things initially and probably expand further with time, as of now i won't be able to expand further the single row, so i just wanted to focus there. that is to say, the 6U is really the space constrain i am working with.
the goal would be to buy 1 module a month ( roughly ) and so buy first the modules that will allow me to get a fucntioning system, so get to a working instrument first is the major goal. meaning i'd prefer not to buy 2 filters first for instance :), but buy one of everything then expand. of the system i already own plaits and rings
sorry for the long intro, i just wanted to give context which i hope gives you enough info. if you have further questions feel free to ask.
lastly, here what i am still wondering.
in the current system i don't have any midi in ( that i can see ) as said i woild like to interact with the system with the m32, what would you reccomend?
is there anything in the system that screams WRONG and is it actually accomplishing my goal stated at the top? Are there different modules you would get instead? Whay would you raccomend i buy first to get a functioning system? And really anything you might think of, i am a total noob in terms of modular and i am studying things as i go. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hello All...
I'm new to the forum and have just begun to enter eurorack world.
I have attached my proposed set up. I currently own the Doepfer ribbon controller/module, the filter bank and have the Kobol on order. I'm hoping the bottom rack will serve 3 purposes.
1. as a supplement to Behringer
2. as a pseudo Trautonium, using the filter bank and subharmonics
3. as an ext. audio in for sax/flute using the env. follower, ring mod, etc.
I currently don't feel the need for a sequencer or effects, as I can do that through my DAW.
I welcome any suggestions/comments..
Thanks! https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2378196.jpg
too many sound sources for this size rack... 1 per row is a good rule of thumb... that way you end up with enough space for the support modules that they need to get the most out of them
sequencer and quantizer? quantixer not really necessary as sequencer includes quantizer...and Pams can alsoo act aas a quantizer if needed
how are you intending to use the sampler??? percussion? if so do you really need the plonk?
only 1 massive filter? I'd go for something smaller... so there's more space for something else...
no expanders for zadar/batumi? they are useful...
no submixing? I'd go for a happy nerding 3 * vca - it'll add a vc mixer in...
take a look at my signature and think about how it relates to your rack - the formula especially gives more versatility in 0patching for least expense...
not convinced of the need for a logic module - pams has logic built in...
I'd want a matrix mixer for combining modulation sources to make more interesting ones
the rack is a weird size usually 84hp or 104hp is standard - not 86hp - I'd go for 104hp, this way you will have space to expand and add functions you've missed... or as you start buying modules those you decide you want instead - no plan survives contact with the enemy (in this case the enemy is you)
having mixing and effects in the rack are actually great ideas - it's modular you can connect them however you feel like - delay before a filter... reverb before a vca... mixing sound sources before filtering or whatever - experimentation is key
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I finally swapped the Behringer 995 and 903A for a PPW and a Doepfer A-183-5. While I have plenty of fun tickling my Subsequent 37 and the Z5000 with PPW I intend to swap the 914 for one or two synth voices and a mixer. Which modules would you put in the 28 HP that are freed up by the 914?
Since I can't do without the 914 I plan to combine it with the 995 and 903A and a ADDAC104 in a second 48 HP case. What do you think?
yes via a computer - there is no mid ir cv on the plotter
the fh-2 is not the right module - it is "midi to cv" you need "cv to midi cc" - befaco and addac make them - if you can find something to convert that to svg - looks like it can cope with more than that - jpgs etc too
take a look at processing - it can definitely handle midi inputs - and you can tell them what to do - I'm sure there's a graphic output library for it - if it's not svg then there are prograams that can convert whatever to whatever... how you interpret the midi cc messages would be up to you... it's very simple java programming and there are lots of examples
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
that rebel technology module looks very similar to the befaco and as they sit next to each other and collaborate I suspect it's the same module... but I might be wrong
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
it looks like it's more suited to working with a computer (ie no MIDI or CV inputs) - I'd look to see if any of the supported software on whatever computer can accept midi input... if so then you'd need a cv to midi module - probably one that outputs MIDI CC not notes...
there may also be ways to generate jpgs from audio - you might want to look at processing3 or similar - again you'll probably need a cv -> midi cc module
good luck... & let us know how it turns out & show some pics if you manage to get it to work!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
Bug report is for half-height modules in Buchla - I know they're more or less discontinued at Buchla, but there are still some third party manufacturers (Norhthern Lights) that do some.
Basically, the disorganization cat will sometimes show up, even though you half the half height modules in the right place, and save / reload of a rack will move them around, sometimes stacking them both at the top of the full unit, then mistakenly saving modules in the same slot.
Hello MG and fellow users! I feel like I suggested this feature in the past but I don't clearly recall...
I'd like the ability to purge (remove) unused modules left over (at the bottom) after reducing the size of a case. Is this something others might want? Is it easily doable? Thanks!
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