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what if i actually really do think that that is a dope design? "zacksname" cant read my mind, right?

(mayhaps im just misunderstood.)

peace ✌️

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the point wasnt to get mean. the point was to try and figure out how this website forum could actually better deliver real feedback, tips, and suggestions to users, while adding an additional sense of community as well.

is there anything wrong with someone who would want that case as their primary rig?

maybe, it is all a matter of taste.

what say you, zacksname?

((peace ✌️))

EDITED Apr 9th, 04:52

i cant really seem to get any positive feedback from you on any of my "designs", so, ...

im curious, is this more your kind of thing?

(design for designs sake.)

peace ✌️

ai wouldnt be much help. it has not been trained on specific dialogue addressing all the nuance of every single module in all the ways it might come up. i was using ai earlier to generate logic to justify my 'concept', not in design, and im having trouble with every ai app, anyway. i still think if it was trained properly that ai could be a huge feature for this website to help onboard total noobs.

etc.

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maybe, i was trolling a little bit when i first came on here about rack space getting out of hand, and maybe, i do not search up videos on every feature of every module before i post racks for feedback, but, i am good at design, and excell at abstract concepts, and i just didnt appreciate the impression that my 'concepts' werent being appreciated, not that there werent any possible issues with any of the designs i posted at all. i didnt mean to get personal, zack. im here to 'modwiggle'.

((peace ✌️))

EDITED Apr 8th, 15:02

i mean, you could use the full engine of the plonk to essentially design 8 drum samples per preset just by menu diving through settings on the unit without any sd card.

here, how about this, i give you: 'full band in 80hp':

does that make clearer about how i want each module to contribute maximal flow to contribute to an emergent whole by looking? i think studying modules should be enough.

i miss a few details i sometimes wish yall were better at catching, but i find it possible to understand a given module just through youtube. someone should do a guide. ... ...

peace ✌️

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i challenge any reader who disagrees that i designed a full band in 80hp to post here their own 80hp design and justify why my concept of jazz improv flow was flawed.

EDITED Apr 8th, 14:05

sine wave lfo, with a sin wave sub lfo frequency modulating the first with offset and amplitude, in a stereo configuration, where you can create sub binaural beats between two similar frequency modulated sine wave lfo signals as a kind of 'spread'.

call it, the:

'bi-wompus, by fourier headspace',,

peace ✌️

i think we just have different aesthetics zack

what i see, is, a mandala i wish did more in a smaller footprint that got rid of the cv outs, a squid sample i wish wasnt even a sampler but instead used the plonk engine somehow to generate a kit from pure menus and also took up less real estate, and a bunch of other modules to consider, that arent even utilities and, also, not even the ones you mentioned.

theres like a flow characteristic im trying to capture, and the whole 100hp gimmick holds significance for me, too, and i just dont feel that any of your module suggestions have been getting me closer to 'my ideal'. ...

honestly, it feels to me like you should be trying better to understand "the flow" im trying to create before you tell me to add more vcas, which i dont even see 'fitting'.

im not against considering new modules, just the ones im seeing arent making sense to me how i am thinking about my own concept and how i want improv to flow.

thanks for trying, i guess, but i still stand by that im not getting the feedback was hoped.

peace ✌️

its just, from my point of view, im trying to go for a certain kind of synergy, and none of the feedback i hear is guiding me directly toward more synergy, but instead toward a more typical standard direction, which does not align with the concept as stated. etc. ...

here, how about this, i incorporated even more feedback, put it into a real kind of case i can get, and filled the first 3u row with the bare minimum i could possibly think of. ... ...

how about, to show me more things i should be considering, you attempt to fill in maybe even the full other two rows, which should roughly be within my budget, etcetera. ... ...

up for the challenge of trying to fill this in?

peace ✌️

vocaloid is to pop music, as modular synthesis is to electronic music.

agree? disagree? thoughts??

peace ✌️

(also, am i crazy or did it really sound like lady gaga used modular synthesis on her latest album?)

((just a regular guy using forums to discuss things. yup. ... ...))

yeah, but id really rather prefer not to have to collect samples and manage sd cards. i love the plonk engine, i wish it could be extended to be able to design 8 voices at once, with some common paramiters you could tweak live, so i could just 'design' a kit all at once right from the case itself. etc.

i think other people would find this useful.

etc. etc. etc.

peace ✌️

check my latest post in racks. i incorporated hella advice. peace. ✌️

no. i could probably get together somewhere around $6,000 eventually for some kind of 'total instrument' one time investment, but the last thread you commented on was not it. the clockwork could not be clocked from the pamela's workout, and other issues. i would need to feel great about a design before i committed and i still dont feel absolutely great about any of the rack layouts i have on here yet. check out my latest thread in the racks subforum which has something much closer to final i would like you to give more feedback on, please.

peace ✌️

Seems like a random collection of modules in a random placement.
It'll make noises, but as an instrument, it's unclear what you're after, beyond a display of stuff you want.
-- noodle_hut

this was just before i found out that the strange-r bighat existed. i was trying to do exactly what it does, more or less, as a concept, but just then i found out there was something that did this and so much more. kind of a synchronicity that i was trying to design essentially just this before i found it. im used to forums where threads get 20 replies in a day, etcetera. the bugs i was experiencing were probably just on my android phone, mostly, and probably not actually an indication that all the forum software is wrong. it just seems like there is no real guide to get started in modular, and, imho, just posting on this forum doesnt seems like as much of a spring board as it could be if things were more active on here. im going through my own personal stuff right now. just... not seeming to receive enough real time feedback, like i would expect from an active global forum, was just an added discomfort to my situation. etc.

sorry. all my accounts are messed up. i dont receive notifications like im supposed to. i have to check all the forums manually, etc.

peace out ✌️✌️

like i said, im trying to condense some space,

so one thing that would really help me there would be:

a plonk style module, where you configure a whole kit, and it only takes 8 triggers in, and has 8 audio outs, with a bonus summed out, and no other bells and whistles at all. ... ... ...

i dont know of anything just lile that, just like an 8 mono channel trigger only sampler, but with a plonk style engine, in the smallest footprint possible, with zero cv dynamics.

i dont know if there is anyone that wants to build exactly this, but something like thar i would find helpful to my current "design" efforts. idk. maybe intellij likes the idea. ...

peace ✌️

im working on some concepts,

and the idea comes to mind,

for an "pamela's extreme workout": ...

that is twice the width, has a full square screen, has buttons per out that default to mute but are assignable, has menu options for clock multiplication and division that can get it to work just like a clocky, has some kind of menu configuration where you can program trigger sequences like a mandala, and also options to quickly load in standard and savable drum sequence configurations,

so on top of everything else, it can be 100% a go to drum sequencer for any setup, maybe with some generative randomness thrown in for good measure, and 3 5 7 divisions, too.

just trying to clean up some of my "designs" and i think something lile this would really help. ... ... as in: "hey, how about even more menus?" etc. ... just a suggestion of course...

peace ✌️

i have been trying to design a configuration that: 1. is completely self contained. 2. allows for live improvisation. 3. can handle key shifts and advanced drum sequencing.

i think i have something that you all might agree meets those "three bullet points", etc. ...

i realize my last attempt had some flaws.

would really like some constructive criticism beyond 'disagreeing with my three criteria'...

thanks. ✌️

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oops, i wasnt paying enough attention. i thought the mandala had a gate in per channel as well. i guess that clocky is kind of redundant, then, but, i had some extra space to fill, though. maybe i have just not found the perfect drum sequencer for me. idk. ...

oh well.

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i guess i could use stackable cables and feed both the clocky and mandala into the assimil8or at the same time that way and this all still makes sense. idk. i just added the clocky to fill space, anyway. idk. idk. idk.

EDITED Apr 7th, 20:47

but i 'could' get melodic results from the strange-r and i 'could' get rhythmic results from the clockwork (if the clocking works the way i think) and i have enough modules to fill out all the voicing chains. i feel like the 100hp at the very top of this thread does have good performance flow and the concept isnt being appreciated enough, still, and frankly its hard for me to work out this budgeting, so, tbph, id rather just have a conversation about this design on its own terms, to derive some satisfaction 'ahead' of the time i put it all together to find out if it works etc. it seems like all the advice i have gotten so far has been working against my general concept, instead of trying to steel-man it. like, specific advice, if the clockwork will even accept a clock in, or if i have made a calculation error would be most helpful...

etc. ... ... ... ... ...

peace.

✌️.

we will see. i have not 100% gotten the budgeting in order, etcetera etcetera....

by the way, related to the comments about how overly cluttered my original designs were, check out how much gear is owned by 'renku corporation', lol. check the link: ...

peace ✌️

pythagorean scales are not my favorite, and i prefer a good bit of melodic progression (see: scriabin) but im enjoying this anyway. has almost a 24/7 chill study music vibe. ...

passed this along to a fellow music dude etc.

peace

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hey, zacksname. i fixed the 3rd row just for you, etc.

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also, i wanted to point out, i came onto this forum with a 4x 12u 100hp concept, and got it down to 1x 3u 100hp (if you only count the 3u 100hp i have any intention of acquiring.)

thats a 16x reduction in complexity. i feel like modulargrid should give me a badge for this.

etcetera. peace.

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EDITED Mar 6th, 03:10

the concept is live improvised chordal progressions with a generative element on the strange-r controlling a demon core, and a set of sequences programmed into the clockwork where i can mute each part individually on the sir mix a lot, with full envelope, filter, modulation, and effects chain, with no extra gear needed in any way.

too abstract for you, zacksname? peace ✌️

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also, the concept for the 3rd row is experimenting with the ways the dreamboats can couple together, which is why i have the octasource and joysticks and funny noise module, so i have enough options to explore very deeply into the possible soundscapes i could unlock.

(but it was mostly just a joke. im not sure exactly what i will do with the 3rd row etc.)

peace

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EDITED Mar 6th, 01:10

the very first 100hp posted is the core idea.

the third row in the second post was just to "fill" the case i was looking at and was just to experiment and have fun with coupling chaos oscillators. i did not like your new modifications zachsname. i wanted the drum sounds to be just set it and forget it and the 2hp modules do that. also, you dont seem to get what the strange-r does and how it fits into my design + focus on production.

believe me, i know what that 1st 100hp does and i would be happy with it. the third row was kind of a joke. your new design looks like a mess, zacksname ! focus on design.

nobody gets the concept. oh well. peace ✌️.

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i know i dont need the pam, but its the most convenient way to keep the strange-r and clockwork in synch, plus, if i wanted one or the other in double time, pam could do it.

also, zacksname. i was thinking a lot about signal path and cable management that your new version ruined. with the 2hp i can cut out each part with the sir mix a lot mutes.

everything is a compromise and i think i wss making a lot of good ones. you dont have to use any modules. with your new design you were taking away some of the creativity. ...

(why is nobody getting my concepts, etc. ...)

peace ✌️😎✌️.

EDITED Mar 6th, 00:49

it just feels like, maybe, i have unlocked the "secret sauce" and... i just want someone to acknowledge this congratulate me or calmly explain why i am actually crazy, etcetera. ...

i feel like maybe nobody has ever crammed that much into 3u 100hp in terms of total standalone functionality in the history of eurorack, and i want some credit. etcetera.

also, see how im just having fun with the third row? why cant i get a single comment like "im sure youll have fun playing with those 4 dreambots if you complete the case."

it feels like nobody here is at all focused on production at all. i cant get a single person to comment on my designs as total conceptual instruments. bandinabox should be the aim.

im done ranting.

peace. ✌️🤨✌️...

i feel like im getting ignored. im finally considering spending real money and i cannot get a single comment of feedback.

✌️😢✌️.

ok, so i found a 7u 104hp case on sweetwater and im only planning on filling 104hp of 3u... but i just maxed out the configuration just to see what it would look lile completely full. ...

please, please, please, comments.

peace ✌️

at around $3,000 this configuration might actually fit into my budget, and it still meets my total production capability aspirations. how do i go about getting a 1x3u 100hp case and what would that cost? can someone please critique this design? im looking for genuine feedback. i think i covered all my bases, but it would be nice to hear some genuine comments from the community...

please take a look and tell me what yathink

peace ✌️👾✌️.

and, if you really value minimalism, here is the same basic idea but in 40% of the size....

its just a strange-r bighat... and a clockwork controlling 1 synth voice and 5 drum voices with all the bells and whistles to make if feel like i could keep a whole performance going.

(if i dont get any positive feedback this time i am quitting the modulargrid forum for good)

seriously, any comments???? peace. ✌️🙄✌️..

trippy visuals, and i was getting some nice bladerunner vibes of the ambient composition, but i was left wanting like some high hat or something like that.

peace ✌️

you might want to consider the strange-r bighat for your sequencing if youre aiming toward experimentation as your end goal:

https://modulargrid.net/e/stochastic-instruments-strange-r-bighat

just a suggestion.

peace ✌️

oh, so youre trying to make 4 signal paths and envelopes for a square, saw, triangle, and sin waves and then recombine them using a super overkill filter? i see now. ...

but it still seems like the memetic digitalis might be more than you need. idk though.

not an expert. it all looked overkill to me.

peace ✌️

i dont know a lot about function generators.

it just seemed to me like the 60hp one i posted was more steamlined and focused.

it seems like you were choosing modules with extra functions that you didnt need.

peace ✌️

pretty meat and potatoes acid, but i think it would be even more trippy if you added a galvanic element from real mushrooms, etc.

peace ✌️

cant say i love the look of it, to be honest.

i would have chosen something that looks more like 'this' as a starter, for my style. ...

peace ✌️

it seems to me ridiculous that i could post something relevant for feedback and see no replies on an active form over 24h later, etc.

i dont think this place is being run great. ...

troll post:

lol, guiz. new modular rack design. is it 'modular' enough, do you think? "feedback".

seriously? no comments?

people were saying my other rack configuration designs had way too much going on, so, now i have stripped it back essentially as much as i know how, and not even a single regular user has anything to say?

weird.

peace ✌️

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(also, can anyone comment on if the kitty eyes / penrose would actually generate a randomish arpeggiation effect like i think?)

{✌️✌️}.

EDITED Mar 5th, 01:46

what was that advice again?

"too many modules to keep track of. be more conformist. gooble gobble." ?

im a rockstar.

peace ✌️

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(like, i get it if you think one brainstep controlling 4 voices, plus one scrooge, plus 100 other knobs and things, plus a mixing console, isnt the right stuff to really just compose almost anything on the fly and really generate a compelling performance, but thats not the feedback i have been getting, so if thats it, just say so. etc. ... .)

EDITED Mar 5th, 03:09

seems to me like you already have ideas about the kind of signal chain you want. not sure if i can help you refine that at all, but nothing looks totally out of place, to me.

one thing i can think to mention is that i just came across the 'cyclonix cyclebox', now discontinued, and i think an area to explore might be finding ways to replicate a similar functionality in a more ambient production context, to share, if thats helpful. peace ✌️

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nobody seems to like my 4x3u 100hp designs, so here is a 2x3u one. better?

peace ✌️

great, mean comments. definitely the reason i use modular grid.

:|

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(i wont take any more of this 'snark'. im a freaking "rockstar".)

peace ✌️

EDITED Mar 4th, 22:41

yeah, but that is exactly the kind of commemt i didnt want.

how im thinking about it: 2 demon cores like 2 guitars, the plasma voice like a bass, all the sequencing i need, the plonk to spice up the scrooge, brains to have brains, then the swarm as a background drone element, some effects, chaos, and noise, and then all the other modules to give me the right performance options, and things like that.

i dont think its too much.

peace ✌️

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(also, brief comment... the 5 on the bottom left are negotiable. i just had some space to fill, and i think i did a pretty ok job, etc. ...)

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EDITED Mar 4th, 03:48

thoughts?

been trying for a total production case design for a while. forum didnt absolutely love my old designs, but i think this new particular arrangement is special. etc....

i would like comments related to the ability to use just this to create music live that could suit a plethora of contexts and composition styles, like it was 100% replacing your daw.

(but, of course, also functioning like its own fully contained stand alone instrument too.)

((positive feedback only, please. no 'not enough clock multipliers' comments...))

peace ✌️

i was thinking, specifically, about a way to interpolate bezier curver between fixed points to hand code in a custom envelope shape and a(s)dr values, perhaps with a reverse attack shape and maybe an added lfo sine lfo signal frequency modulating another sine lfo signal, or other experiments that might produce novel envelope packets, then setting all the parameters and saving it out as a wav, all in puredata. also, the simple melody you chose also highly resonates with the conceptual ideas ive been playing with, but i was thinking about also 3 additional melodic voices harmonizing and playing different parts at the same time. maybe, if the universe ever grants you more rack space you might consider trying to fill out exactly this with 4 full melodic voice parts which it sounds like to me is totally possible, if the rample wasnt also doing some drum parts in your patch. i dont mean this as a slight, only that i can already kind of hear 3 more melody parts in what is there r now.

peace

wow. love how cutely it all fits together and also the red theme, plus i thought the live performance sounded sick. i did not 100% look into what each module does, but im now thinking that i could use the rample to output custom envelopes for up to 4 demon cores by using a quad vca, which is an idea i have been playing around with but did not know how to do elegantly. (like, maybe bake some kind of lfo signal into the envelope wav to create a new hit.) this setup really matches the aesthetic i am going for while "designing" on here but in a tiny footprint. also, kudos on the command line tracker!! (somehow had not found rample yet, etc.)

peace out. ✌️✌️

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just to be clear, i was thinking of designing envelopes in pd, exporting them to wav files, then putting them on the rample sd. that is possible, right? im not crazy, am i?? then you could also use a second cv to time stretch the preprogrammed envelope wav, to boot!!!!!!!! am i really the first guy to think of using that module as an envelope generator, i wonder?

peace yall

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someone, just please tell me if sample rate and control rate signals are just completely incompatible. thank you in advance, etc. ...

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EDITED Nov 16th 2024, 10:29

@hgsynth 1) like, where i feed in one note cv, which becomes the root note, then i can select between various chord and octave spread options that output 4 fully chorded note cv outs, with offset, and then a 5th note cv out that can output an arpeggiated note cv mix, accepting a clock in, that can do between 1/32 - 1 th notes, without any gate functionality at all. 2) in my concept, i am really thinking about a case and racks that fully function like a full instrument you can play, more than just as a canvas for very specific patches. i guess i could just go on a deep dive to find the one standalone drum machine that scratches all my performance itches, but both the tukra and scrooge have unique modular routing capabilities, and i dont want to lose those options, for this concept. im looking for, basically, a highly unique, highly performable, eurorack full drum machine, but so that i can still create completely unique patch elements so it becomes part of a 'bigger instrument'. idk exactly what i am looking for, but neither the scrooge or the tukra is exactly 'it', but both come vaguely close. 3) part of my concept is packing a ton of functionality into a small footprint, and avoiding too many cables or clutter. i could just add an eg, vca, and filter to the demon core as extra modules, but on top of the extra space, the options are bewildering. for my concept, id much prefer a new "devil core" module that, like the loki, adds all the functionality needed to be a complete voice, with all the eg, vca, and filter options included specifically designed around the unique characteristics of the osc itself right from the start. +0.5) i noticed the module you posted did do this, but, lets say i am keeping 4 tempos on a tempi, and triggering 4 out of sync arpeggios on the opned, fed into 4 distinct voices, i would need 4 of those modules and to trigger all 4 at the same time to modulate the total melody, which is not in line with my concept.

@progspiration the arpitecht looks like vaguely what i want to be able to do, but not quite exactly, which i bet is a problem a lot of people run into.

peace out yall. ✌️

im working on some conceptual stuff, and basically there are 3 types of functionality that do not really exist that are 'holding me back'. 1) a qu-bit chord type module that can output note cv as well as a cv arpeggiated mix and has more octave options instead of just outputting source voices. 2) a drums unit somewhere inbetween a scrooge and tukra that is more directly tuned to both intricate live performance, as well as built in randomization and improvisation options, that also provides a full canvas of drum tones. 3) a demon core type module that either includes all the functionality of a loki, or at least includes its own vca so i can send a custom envelope directly from the brainstep. (+1/2) and also, id like it if there was an opned with physical modulate up and down one semitone literal buttons.

just posting this here in case any existing manufacturers think it is worth their own efforts to cater to these unmet needs. peace.

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lol, you guys are funny and made some good points. i think im going to watch some more videos on all the modules i included, then think about designing one more all included system, maybe with a zadar or dr phil ter, in a new thread, maybe in a couple months from now. im kind of obsessed with the idea of controlling 4 full voices from a brainstep in a not huge case. idk how im going to get over that to switch over to one or so fully sculpted voice, etc. thanks for commenting.

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novel module combinations, sequencing options that enhance improvisation, racks with specific size constraints, layering multiple diverse sound sources, signature effects patch paths, specific rack modules that together create unduplicated sound, the idea of creating new previously non-existing instruments with modules as opposed to just assembling patches to match pre existing standard synth signal paths, etcetera. ... ...

@folks i actually kind of like peanut butter and honey sandwiches, btw. i brought up neanderthals destroyed atlantis to make the point that every melodic voice doesnt need to sound like a xylophone, and that you can sometimes just work with nearly pure tones and end up with a desirable result. i dont have any plans to buy any eurorack. i am half thinking about investing into an 8 string practice electric guitar. i wanted to try to make some conceptual contributions to the community, more that exactly plan out my next purchases. if you dont like the concept thats is fine, but i really wish yall would recommend specific swaps that keep the same footprint, because the size of the cases is also part of this concept. i wonder, though, if its just too abstract for yall, rather than being as flawed as yall claim. peace out. ✌️

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also, @hgsynth part of the concept is that they all just get summed up on the 5th case, and there is no clock or cv going between them, so they really are like 4 separate instruments, and the rhythm on the scrooge organically always slightly contrasts with the rhythm on the tukra, controlled by two completely separate clock circuits, hypothetically with two performers synergistically tweaking thier knobs.

etc. ... peace. ✌️

EDITED Nov 13th 2024, 02:10

@ku14 i just dont see why i cant have a voice thats just a demon core or a chord with manual mixing down the path, for the fist case. i dont think i should be forced to use filters and vcas if the only part i really care about is the melodic component for this concept. maybe you can think of something the size of the 2600-vco to replace that would make you more happy, even though what i really want is 4 melodic parts coming off the brainstep? the lyra-8 looks interesting but i think this concept is getting too much hate from all the 'non-chatbots' etcetera. ...

peace. ✌️

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i just checked out 'modwiggler', but my hardcore forum days are well behind me, and everything on that site seems like overkill to me. i just wanted to use this site to discuss content generated on this same site, not join another social media, etcetera.

(maybe ill think about 'modwiggler'. ✌️✌️)

EDITED Nov 12th 2024, 03:13