Nice sendoff for the MI Stages! Cool stuff.

I don’t use QPAS in every patch, but it will never leave my rack. I don’t have anything else quite like it and what it does is really really cool.
With that being said, what kind of sounds are you hoping to make? If you are looking for more aggressive tones, a Dual Borg or Polivoks style filter might be better suited.

I am looking to change up some space occupied by the current filter I'm using...will have 18HP to use and narrowed down to three in that range. Which would you get and why?
1. QPAS
2. Morpheus
3. Erica Synths Dual VCF

or would you recommend some other combination of filter and something else to fill 18?

So, first batch is in the system (top row) and been using it a lot...i'm hooked!

I common patch looks something like this:
Pams to generate the pitch with different techniques, random from single channel or multiple ones mixed together with logic conditions. This then goes to the pitch of Plaits. Other channels on Pams control the inputs of Plaits either straight in or via Maths. Maths usually helps with this too, but more often I use it to control the filter and VCA. Out from Plaits into Filter and then VCA and out. Beads have not arrived yet..
It's all fun and game, but I feel it's lacking some thing.

Now to the planned new things, row 2:
I use Maths 2-3 for attenuation, but want to free that space up, therefor planning to add a dedicated attenuator in form of Sinc Defero.

I don't find it satisfying to put in LFOs in Pams all the time (usually start using the two in Maths first) and want something more direct, therefor looking at the ochd. Good choice or should I look for something with more exact control?

Lastly the mixer, since I use it alot in Maths and feel like a dedicated one is worth having. Going stero to be used with Beads, but is that overkill? I want to mix both audio and CV, should I get two different mixers?

Three more utility and modulation focused modules, but want to here some suggestion what you would add as a next step? A sequencer? Random generator? More sounds sources?

I'm still getting a problem where if in the first search box I type 'meloDicer' - I get an invalid manufacturer msg box and no search is done. This happens on Edge, Brace and Vivaldi browsers. Appears to happen after I've done a manufacturer search. If you do a name search as the first thing you do it works.

-- OurMod

Thanks for the report, there will be an update next week which hopefully fixes some issues.

Still not sure about complex oscillators, after the first demos of the furthrrr generator i was like WOOOWWW, but then i looked at it and realized that i already have all of those components in my system and it (and most other complex oscillators) are quite limited due to the internal wiring and lack of possibilities to change those. I can do a lot more with seperate components. But maybe thats the charme and idea of being limited, like with some hardwaresynths like the simple 101 you quickly get results that would take a lot of time, money and modules to patch.
But then again probably too expensive for me. Like some vintage thing that has its charme because of the limitations.

Hi there - yes I see now that the manufacturer search finds the letter anywhere.
I always used to - for example mutaple instruments - type in an 'M' and then tab down with the downward arrow.
Current setup is much better - now you can type 'Mut' and you get there.

I'm still getting a problem where if in the first search box I type 'meloDicer' - I get an invalid manufacturer msg box and no search is done. This happens on Edge, Brace and Vivaldi browsers. Appears to happen after I've done a manufacturer search. If you do a name search as the first thing you do it works.

I think you're apt to have a lot of trouble when fitting Eurorack modules into an API 500 rack...

Thanks also curious what Lugia, Garfield, and Jim think for complex analog oscillator goodness. There are soo many choices.
-- sacguy71

Too true! However, the best bargain in complex VCOs right now is also one of the true greats: Tiptop's Buchla 258t. Two VCOs with some interesting interconnection voodoo, but another fun thing is that you can take one of the VCOs, waveshape it, then mix it back against the first VCO to get that dual-timbre sound. But that's just scratching the surface, really...the 258 might look simple, but with the right "helpers", it's a powerhouse!

EDITED Jun 12th 2022, 02:16

Okay but what would I be missing? I guess you mean the 3 Envelopes the Dfam can put out? Im interested.

-- rckitup

Sure...in fact, you could probably reconstruct the DFAM as modules. It'd be way more expensive, but it'd also probably fit into the space the DFAM takes up now...with some left over.

For instance, the DFAM's EGs...it would make far more sense to get FOUR...and proper ADSR EGs at that. So, check THIS out: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/xaoc-devices-zadar. This can do FOUR...with assignable CVs per EG, plus it can be had with a 3 hp expander that lets you directly address the EGs' behavior. That gives you your three...plus one more, plus a number of different envelope types, plus CV control. In 13 hp.

And so on...

Just say no to Brains. Get a Plaits clone from Calsynth or any reputable builder and support a few smaller shops : )
-- oscidigi

Or Plaits itself. It's a mere 12 hp, where Uli's "version" fits into 16. So even if you go with the original, you STILL gain panel space!

start with a bigger case you'll probably want it sooner than you think (or hope)

how are you mixing? just the quad vca? how are you monitoring?

I've not heard good things about the doepfer midi modules - I'd look for something a bit more featured too - especially as you have 2 sound sources

I'd take a look at my signature if I were you...

solid module multi usage and fun!

EDITED Jun 11th 2022, 19:50

How many channels do you need? The MPC1K features a multi-track sequencer. If you just plan to do monophonic sequences then the Kenton Pro Solo may be fine, but if you want to get the most out of the MPC1K then that's probably not the right choice. FH-2 is great, but if you're looking for something less expensive, Avon Synth makes a 4-channel converter that is simple and gives you velocity outputs in addition to pitch and gate. It's a 10 hp module though.

EDITED Jun 11th 2022, 17:58

As usual, smart transaction with @klodifokan
Merci Emmanuel !

Goodbye but hello to vector.
Here’s my last video and song with the useful stages.
Cheers

Anyone else with an advice? Does anyone use a Kenton Pro Solo with his/her modular?

Thanks for the feedback. Please include which browsers you are using.

There is a issue with the drop down list that stops at letter W
I cannot search for "Xaoc Devices" using "Xaoc" but i get it with "Devices"
-- pibou

I cannot reproduce the issue, seems to work here.

I don't get any movement. Press 'B' and still have the numbers and 'A's - ie the top of the list.
So need to use the slider to get anywhere.

It works a bit different now.
Hit B now only shows manufacturers with a b somewhere in the name. That does not have to be the first letter.
I look into it if the behavior can be changed, I too find it a bit odd.

Getting all sorts of odd things - if I type in say melodicer I get invalid manufacturer
-- OurMod

Press the Clear Manufacturer button in this case.
Sorry for the trouble. If more problems bubble up I might revert it to the old functionality or find a way that the datalist only shows up on touch devices (which was the main reason to make it).

I don't get any movement. Press 'B' and still have the numbers and 'A's - ie the top of the list.

So need to use the slider to get anywhere.

Getting all sorts of odd things - if I type in say melodicer I get invalid manufacturer

Noticed new font for item search - same as manufacturer - the rest the older font

There is a issue with the drop down list that stops at letter W
I cannot search for "Xaoc Devices" using "Xaoc" but i get it with "Devices"

EDITED Jun 11th 2022, 06:58

Problems on PC Win10 latest. Hit say 'M' and search doesn't work for manufacturer

Also font now different from the other pull downs

hi johnathan29 i've found this , hope it helps ....... https://axiom-crux.net/macro-machines-omnimod

Hi Adr,

Great demo! Thanks a lot for demoing your Timiszoara to us :-)

I am saving money for the Starlab so this module and the mentioned FX Aid by Sebastopol have to wait ;-)

Thanks a lot for your video/sound demo, have a good weekend and kind regards, Garfield.

The installed algo's are not convincing.
Happy Nerding's FX aid, beats it all the way .
If can't find other stuff to install I will definitely not keep it .
Quite disappointed.

Other FX I own to compare with :
FXaid / Mimeophon / Monsoon / Desmodus Versio / TipTop Z5000.

Thoughts on this for first modular small set-up....

This module is just fun to play with. i use it with KP3+ and record some voice stuff.

That doesn't work at all on my smartphone.
Android+ fire fox.
-- klodifokan

Ah, shoot. That seems to be a bug in Firefox Android mobile I did not know about. Persists since 3 years :(
Strangely works on iOS Firefox. I will look if there is a walk around for that..

That works on Chrome.

EDITED Jun 10th 2022, 16:12

Works well on iPhone/chrome (safari really, as it’s not build around actual chrome 😂)

Hello,

That doesn't work at all on my smartphone.
Android+ fire fox.

Manufacturer searchable datalist

Since we have so many manufacturers listed on MG the manufacturer select box in the module search form was not very easy to operate. Especially on touch devices where you could not enter a letter to shortcut to a manufacturer.
Now we have a datalist which is kind of a searchable select box.
It looks and behaves a little differently in the different browsers. Check it out and type something in the manufacturer field.

Thank you Wiggler55550 and CraigKirk for helping me understand electricity better and relieving stress about turning about 500hp into a smoke and lights show with a bunch of liquid mostly running out of my eyes... With the feeling like I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane with... What did I forget... Oh... The chute!!!

The power coming out of your wall outlet is 15A @ 120V, this equates to 1800W, the (whole order of magnitude) voltage difference being the thing you are missing.

The power you are pulling from the wall at THE VERY max from that case is something like 300W, and that's at absolute max (and there is no way you can come close to pulling like a quarter of that 5V margin)

You would have a very, VERY hard time maxing out a breaker circuit with a Eurorack setup.

EDITED Jun 10th 2022, 07:28

No worries, it will run fine and will not blow any fuse. I'm actually running a similar case and a large ADDAC 901M on the same 16A circuit without problems.

So mine arrived yesterday, I slept only a few hours since, to capture a few spots I've been to. What a great fx module!

EDITED Nov 15th 2022, 22:26

Hi everyone!!!
Have a question about any power issues. I checked the specs and it say +12V/8000ma, -12V/4800ma, +5V/16,000. I know practically ZERO about electricity so the math is not working for some reason so I figure there is something I'm not understanding. I'm getting 28,800ma total of power adding all together... Or would it be 19,200ma for just + with - subtracted? My main question is... If it's either 19,200ma or 28,000ma that should trip my wall outlet (15Amp) being 19.2 Amps ~ 28 Amps shouldn't it?
I guess what I'm asking is... Will this run perfect on your run of the mill 15Amp wall outlet or do I need something special?
Thank You for any help.

Hi everyone!!!
Have a question about any power issues. I checked the specs and it say +12V/8000ma, -12V/4800ma, +5V/16,000. I know practically ZERO about electricity so the math is not working for some reason so I figure there is something I'm not understanding. I'm getting 28,800ma total of power adding all together... Or would it be 19,200ma for just + with - subtracted? My main question is... If it's either 19,200ma or 28,000ma that should trip my wall outlet (15Amp) being 19.2 Amps ~ 28 Amps shouldn't it?
I guess what I'm asking is... Will this run perfect on your run of the mill 15Amp wall outlet or do I need something special?
Thank You for any help.

Deffo here, get a powerful brain to master the rack (even if you don't want to use it much, you always get support from it) I'm using the AKAI Mpc one 4out cv, brilliant

My experience: buy a decent drum machine/sampler and focus your modular for a specific task rather than viewing it as a jack of all trades.
-- richc90

HIYA GEEKS !

imo, I really really wanted de VE-CO because it looks so damn solid and all the reviews I saw in YouTube seems that it sounds phenomenal buuuut, I went fro the CS-L. Gosh demon aye, best best best sound source I have ever listen to, really. The quality is a bit doubtable to be fair, It looks super formal and gorgeous but the face panel is clearly plastic (also the knobs BUT doesn't feel cheap) but is indeed solid (not as solid as de ve-co)

I have to say that it's a little bit of a thing the "hands-on" process because it's small (26hp for a CO - this is the main reason why I picked it, cause my cases aren't that big) but jesus christ, it's just comes straight from the output and the path-signal is just pure cosmic sound design exploration (i'm sending cv from the pico seq and it's sooo easy)

No more experience with CO's. I have read about them all, my choose was this (as I mention the size it was pretty handy for me - you can check on my rack https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1788210.jpg ) but it does sound so clean: Cs-L guys from INSTRUO if at some point you read this, thumbs up !

This is my first post in ModularGrid, big fan
Cheers lads !

EDITED Jun 10th 2022, 01:09

Just starting in Eurorack, my main focus is on granular textures and I'm trying to build an ambient hip hop type box. So I wanted to start with a home for Morphagene and then build on that as I get savings. My next purchase is Maths, then probably Ikarie, and some more utilities though I'm not sure what order to get them in. Everything is housed in a Mantis Case.

TL/DR: Man seeks to mangle audio from DAW and create quirky loops with DFAM. Did he do this right?

-- rckitup

Yes...and no. And the "no" part has to do with having the DFAM in your cab, filling up 60 rather spendy HP. You should take that out, put it back in ITS case and on ITS power, and leave the cab for things that have neither. As for the "yes"...it's sort of conditional on that DFAM's presence as well. Thus far, the module choices are OK, but there's quite a bit missing which also requires putting the DFAM back where it belongs. There's things that could be done better here, but if you don't have room for the modules that would need, you're sort of stuck.

-- Lugia

Okay but what would I be missing? I guess you mean the 3 Envelopes the Dfam can put out? Im interested.

i did rework the whole case tho, ill probably post a more focused question soon, theres a couple of things im getting stuck on.

Lugia, this looks a really fun system. Thanks for the write-up!

Just say no to Brains. Get a Plaits clone from Calsynth or any reputable builder and support a few smaller shops : )

It may be worth getting a Disting EX. The EX is a little more expensive than two mk4's and is less "eurorack-y" but it is far more usable than the mk4 and it is just a very flexible module. Some things I like using the EX for is as a wavetable sound source, a mono-to-stereo reverb, a compressor, a precession adder, and as a clockable AD envelope.

If you are looking for a random cv/gate generator a good one to look at is the Clank Chaos. It has 6 channels of gates and cv with the ability to go from very random to a repeating loop and it has a variety of additional useful features such as slew and quantize capabilities. If you want to make percussive sounds you should look at Rings. I find Rings very useful for as a type of accent tool, for lack of a better term. It is not uncommon for my patches to have audio be split to Rings and have the accent/reset of one of my sequencers ping Rings. If you are looking for envelopes the Behringer 140 is a solid option. It may be a bit too much HP-wise but you get two independent ADSRs with two normal outs from each ADSR and an inverted out. It also comes with a solid LFO. I have never tried this but I do believe you can use the LFO of the 140 as a basic waveform oscillator too via its frequency CV in.

If you want to have more tactile control over the gates you are using you can take a Grids and use it in the gate mode. This allows you to control the frequency of the gates and how many there are using your hands. This can go well with a swing module so that the clock that it receives leads to not completely on the grid notes. Something I would recommend, especially if you do go this rout, is to get some type of fader bank. I use MSW's but I know they aren't the only ones who make this. Having faders outside of the case that can control things can make modulation much easier, especially if you are using Grids like this.

In your situation I would probably go with the Verbos Multiple Envelope, I think the different outputs would complement the BIA very well and make it sound like more than a single voice. A lot of people associate it with the Varigate but it's not my style. Each Verbos module screams techno and later on you will find plenty of uses for the gate outs. You will also be able to feed the sequential switch with various outs. As of clock modulators, IDK, you could use the Maths to create gate delays or go with the Malekko quad delay (see Divkid video)? Maybe a burst generator would be cool, Ladik make an inexpensive one. But make sure you validate these with others, I far from excel at planning racks!

@jb61264 The Font on top right is a filter! I second the FX AID. Also how do you usually use the o_c? If you're stuck on a specific app, you could buy a module devoted to a similar utility (eg. Quadraturia --> Batumi). I'm far from being an expert but I'd say you lack some sort of clock modulator to create more interesting rhythms of of the Pamela (except if you're happy programming it but I'm not), and maybe complex envelopes (BIA is a sucker for envelopes)

-- gorilla

What would you suggest for Envelopes for BIA?
o_c is for turing machine mostly:) It's just cheaper than actual turing machine lol

@jb61264 The Font on top right is a filter! I second the FX AID. Also how do you usually use the o_c? If you're stuck on a specific app, you could buy a module devoted to a similar utility (eg. Quadraturia --> Batumi). I'm far from being an expert but I'd say you lack some sort of clock modulator to create more interesting rhythms of of the Pamela (except if you're happy programming it but I'm not), and maybe complex envelopes (BIA is a sucker for envelopes)

I would look at something like FX Aid XL which will give you lots more effects in fewer HP...or have a look at the Versio series from Noise Engineering. Nice that you can easily switch out firmware to any of the others that they have available.

Don't see any sort of filter in your rack yet...Doepfer Wasp or TipTop Forbidden Planet are good smaller HP filters

Disting EX may also get you some good mileage/HP in a smaller case like this

Hey,

I posted my Matriarch, polyphonic companion some time ago but cannot find the thread again, so here is the updated version! I'd be interested to get some critics. I hope it will also give ideas to people building something similar. My goal is to get access to a good bunch of polyphony technics and overcome some of the limitations of the Matriarch. I tried to describe different ways to use the rack but it might seem too obvious to more advanced synthesists!

Chord related Arps

Harmonaig multed outs to BBT. It can be transposed further by the Sequence Selector into uScale. The 2 outs from uScale can be switched or T&Held by the Select 2.

Note related Voice

One Harmonaig out into uScale while a o_c sequence sends 1V/oct to the shift input, creates 2 related voices where transposition can be sequenced independently and envelopes to shift input create note bursts.

Simple Inversion and Voicing sequencing

5V into Réseaux provides 4 VCs to be fed into signal selectors or the 1U sequential switch. They can be used to sequence Harmonaig's voicing and/or Inversion.

Polyphonic voices w/ variable amplitudes

Polyphonic envelopes + Morph 4 address the Matriarch mixer limitations as it can't be VCed. They replace my actual setup of Zadar + Quad VCA. Envelopes can be used to advance the Sequence selector and/or select active stages.

Note hocketing etc.

Done through Step 8 + Ruissellement

Notes

I don't know if the sequencing part is well addressed. What I'm sure of is that I just CAN'T program the Matriarch sequencer and see myself using it less and less. I may miss offset/attenuverters and fw rectifiers to create positive LFOs. If I can get rid of the Next Phase, I'd be happy to take input on what I could add there instead. I've been hesitant in selecting the Harmonaig instead of the Bard's quartet and ended up getting 2 quantizers. Another solution would be to use a dual quantizer from Hemisphere and replace uScale with a 6HP dual sequencer (or a sequencer with scale and a transpose input eg. the Tirana). Cheers!

EDITED Jun 8th 2022, 17:34

Still alive. Pausing for a moment to make some noises. :-)