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Hey guys,

Pretty new to the modular world, I've been fiddling around with DFAM and 0-Coast for quiet some time now and I recently started to build a small eurorack.

I got my first 2 modules last week: Pamela's New Workout and Morphagene. It's fitted in and powered by this skiff: https://www.makenoisemusic.com/cases/skiff

Noticed instantly that I had some gnd noise problems, and I noticed a little sound that synced with the CV outs from the Pam's module. I'm using the module as a master clock for my whole setup of various gear. Mainly DFAM + LXR02 + 0-Coast

Here's a sound example with nothing playing and when i remove the CV to DFAM cable it kind of disapears, but not completely: https://on.soundcloud.com/Ds2BB

Anyone had this problem?

EDITED Jul 8th 2023, 01:26

Row A: Next Purchase
Row B: Interesting
Row C: Hyped
Row D: Preorders

I literally had loose nuts on the Ochd module I bought.
I've personally only had problems with 2 of my modules, a Second-hand Erica Pico DSP (mode button and/or LED flickers about but it still works), and my DIY build of a Robaux LL8 which occasionally fails to rejister a button press (still very usable).

Accidently uploaded one panel image we would like to delete. Is this possible?
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/flight-of-harmony-facehugger

fyi, there are 15 units of ALM017 - Pamela's NEW Workout for sale on ModularGrid.
Jokes aside, a year ago I started this modular thing and I bought some new modules and quite a few used modules, and I've only had two problems. With a used VCF with a very noisy potentiometer (normal for a used module) and a non-functioning audio jack on a new oscillator, by the way, the folks at Nanomodules were lovely and within 48 hours I had another module at home. I don't think it can be generalized with the level of incidence and the unfriendly nature of the manufacturers.
And I'm sorry, but I have to clarify your comment about @wishbonebrewery, he's not one of the "trolling" types. He is one of the people who contributes the most around here, and always tries to help.
Greetings and good luck.

i would also recommend Zadar and the Fx aid pro

There are 2 Ochd modules on modular grid for some reason. So I commented on them. I wasn't the one who created the second Ochd page. I just posted my experience. Not sure what you mean by all the forum spam. Divkid and I had a conversation about Ochd... otherwise I just posted good things abpuout a bunch of modules.
Making fun of the issues I've had with this module is just rude man.
No need to bash me just for stating my opinion. I don't dig your tone at all. Go troll someone else.🧟

Looks like a lot of fun :)

Maybe the 1 post about Ochd was actually enough, and whats with all the forum spam?
Post a Rack in 1 thread and then tell everyone about how you liked each module in one post.

I had some loose nuts on my Ochd, I tightened them, brilliant LFO module that has worked perfecty for me and is almost always part of my patching.

Yes that's a fair point; This is what I'm finding atm

The main clock as such starts at Marbles but then goes into Bastl Kompass so that's six different sources of randomness..

LFO's can come from Maths and the Buchla TT can go down to LFO rate. I can see how more would be beneficial

I like being able to patch separete modules to each effect but having something external to simple provide an overall reverb might be nice as this is generally what Z5000 is doing

Something I like doing is manually tuning VCO's against eachother to create dissonace so it's good to have a few voices

I would definitely want more modulation sources. Envelopes, LFOs, random/chaos, etc. Something like Zadar or Batumi would be a good addition to that hole you have in the top row. You could always add external effects to conserve space.
Have fun and good luck.

So to explain, I've been building this for a couple of years ago after I got sober. I guess I had to spend all that beer money on something :-)

I get lots of different results from up beat sequences to very dark atonal oscillations through to ambient self-generatives. Should I add another effect unit, or maybe some modulation? Let me know your thoughts

Ok cool >Thanks

Just copy and paste the URL.

First question. How do I attach an image of my rack? :-)

Poor build quality.
Mine broke within just a few months.
It's been no fun working with Instruo.
I'd suggest buying an different LFO.

I bought Befaco rampage from @blurredboy, the module is like new. All good.

I got the chance to test/try the cool ADDAC 107 - Acid Test

Maybey the best use of 2hp I've ever seen.
Sorry Pluck...

Get you some Nearness.
I have 2...

Just a switch.
I fucking love it!

Word!
Marbles is the Biz.
I like my Marbles with Abstract Data's Event Boss.
I think she would make an excellent companion to Stoppler Beats.
Suppose you're into swing, like Dilla style. GET MARBLES.
Endless love and respect for Mutable and her contributions to the modular world.
GET MARBLES.
MAKE BEATS.

Love my Leaves. Love my Trees.
PURPLE IS THE NEW BLACK!

Love my Leaves. Love my Trees.
PURPLE IS THE NEW BLACK!

Mystic is the shit! This VCA is brilliant.
PURPLE IS THE NEW BLACK!

Ana is suoer useful for all types of things. Did you know you can get some GREAT distrotion out of this thing?
All mystic Ciurcuits designs are top notch.
Purple is the new black.

One of the best filters ever made.

One of the best Oscillators ever made.

Really solid build. I feel its built a lot better than the 2hp Mix, which i have also owned.

Great dealay in 2hp.
I ended up free up sme space and went to look for a different delay but couldnt find one that fit and I liked better, even in 6hp. Amazing how this company pack in the utility.

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Amazing Filter!!!!!!
One of the best-sounding filters I have ever heard for aggressive sounds. It does a lot but really excels at the harsh and unexpected.

Love my Event Boss! Perfect pairing for marbles.

Yes, we have messaged several times. I have also emailed Jason several times about multiple issues. With Ochd he did replace the module, the other two I just had to walk away from.
There may have been some “loss in translation” with Instruo; however, through the multiple long emails, I believe we cleared everything up and agreed to disagree on his design and level of customer service. I feel he just plain didn't believe me about Scion. While he did offer to fix the module, this would have entailed me sending it over seas with no assurances of an actual fix. It was cheaper and easier to fix it myself. By the time Larachd broke I was over it and didn't even contact him.
Yes, it is hard for me to stomach your stating a %1 failure rate when I have a 35-40% rate of failure in my cases. I work in a clean and dedicated studio space; all power run-through conditioners and into proffesionally built cases. Maybe I live in a death hole for modules, maybe I'm just unlucky. No matter the reason I feel the general public needs to be warned about the extremely high failure rate I've witness from modern modules. My old dopfer system never had any problems in over a decade. Not sure what's changed.

Ah, this is ringing some bells. Did we speak a good while back? I remember discussing a lot of misfortune with not just Eurorack but some other gear too.

I understand wanting to move on from gear you've had a bad experiece from, things can certainly feel tainted after bad experiences.

I do think it's important to highlight that this is an extremely rare case both for ochd and for the wider format/industry in terms of failure rates. I know with lots of this piled on you likely won't want to hear this but it's absolutely not in line with anyone elses experience I know.

The failure rate on ochd is well below 1%, I'd have to double check figures but it's into multiple decimal points. Thousands of people are very happy with the module. For gear that I've bought I've experienced similarly very low failure rates all round, very low problems I wouldn't call a failure even too, back from buying my first pieces of gear pre Eurorack, into Eurorack and years later onto now.

Again, none of this is to deny or dispute your experience, just to be clear for everyones benefit.

As for Instruo, I'd be surprised if there wasn't some degree of "lost in translation" at play here. I've collaborated with Jason and the team for many years now and they are always professional and happy to help from my experience and others I've spoken to. However I will be passing this on for the benefit of everyone and to discuss further. Is your username here enough to trace back any contact?

All the best and I hope you have a better experience of music making with your gear ahead.

I have both Muta Jovis and Mutes,
Both will cause pitch droop. I purchased a WMD SL3kt to get around this.
My Muta Jovis has malfunctioned on me once, but the people at NE replaced it. Still a bummer, and I don't feel the Jovis is built very well.
I love my Mutes. It is built using vactrols for click-free switching. There is a nice decay of whatever signal that running through it that can add interest to the modulation, or a nice roll-off to audio. Mutes also has both momentary and latched behavior and the switches are high quality.
Both have inputs that are are normalized to the outputs below for multing signals.
Mutes is far superior in my opinion.

EDITED Jul 6th 2023, 18:01

I have both.
Both will cause pitch droop. I purchased a WMD SL3kt to get around this.
My Muta Jovis has malfunctioned on me once, but the people at NE replaced it. Still a bummer, and I don't feel the Jovis is built very well.
I love my Mutes. It is built using vactrols for click-free switching. There is a nice decay of whatever signal that running through it that can add interest to the modulation, or a nice roll-off to audio. Mutes also has both momentary and latched behavior and the switches are high quality.
Both have inputs that are are normalized to the outputs below for multing signals.
Mutes is far superior in my opinion.

This module failed on me. Also I don't particularly appreciate that the attenuation is post-quantizer.
Scion will quantize the output, but if you want to attenuate on a per channel basis, it will throw the quantized signal out of tune. This is due to the channle attenuators being post quantizer. In my own patches, I would almost always put the attenuator pre-quantizer. If the atteniation is post quantization you might as well have just left is as a sample and hold function. At least Instruo had the sense to set the slew post-quantization; however, it is not nearly long enough to be helpful to me in many situations. The way this module is designed doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have spoken with Instruo about this, and he seems to like how it's set up. We have agreed to disagree on these points.
Another bummer about this module was that it malfunctioned on me during the warranty period, and Instruo didn't believe me that it was busted, so I had to fix it myself. Even after I sent videos of the module after I had it fixed, with the explanation of what was malfunctioning from the engineer who worked on it, Instruo still threw shade and acted like I was lying or just didnt know what i was talking about. Not cool....

EDITED Jul 6th 2023, 20:52

I am looking for a mixer modul with around 4 inputs that are panable with a stereo out? I am open for ideas.
-- DareDenis

Doepfer A-138s.
Don’t look any further.
-- Sweelinck
thanks! That what I was looking for!

Are you going to use an external sequencer? Above all, a clock source and clock modulators would be missing. Pam's is a very good option https://www.modulargrid.net/e/alm-busy-circuits-pamela-s-pro-workout,
and maybe a simple clock divider
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-160
-- ferranadsr
I will use Cubase. A clockdevider would be wise . Thanks!

Thanks for reaching out. The module went defective several months ago, and I have since resolved the issue. I am just getting around to letting the world know about it now.
I was able to prove my module was defective at long last; however, it took so long that I was forced to replace the module with another LFO. I don't normally trust a module after it fails on me, so I sold Ochd.
I certainly don't mind providing videos. I have offered MANY videos to a long list of companies whose gear has failed while under warranty (I have even sent videos of the mute switches Befaco made for you). I am often put into a situation to prove myself to these people. I don't mind sending videos to troubleshoot the issue; however, I do not enjoy when people assume I am lying or just a fool who doesn't know how to use the gear.
Whenever I contact the manufacturers about failed modules, I get the same response, “This isn't the normal experience we see in eurorack”. However, with the high rate of manufacturer defect I have witnessed, it does seem like the typical experience from where I sit. Companies tell me there is a 1% failure rate within the eurorack industry, however, the failure rate in my studio is almost 40%. No lie.....
As for Instruo, the experience has been so bad that when the next Instruo module malfunctioned on me (which was the Scion, and it was still under warranty. In all, I've had three Instruo modules fail on me), I had a friend fix it rather than send it to Instruo. I initially contacted Instruo and sent several videos over the course of a week. He still didn't believe me. Even after I got back to him about how I had it fixed and that it was an issue with the input jack, he still acted like I was lying to him. Not a good way to run a biz. Especially when you charge top dollar for your devices.
My review here is to ensure others know about the low-quality standards of this company. I'd hate to have them find out the same way I did.

Hi Humdrum,

first of all I'm sorry to hear that this has been your experience with the module. It's absolutley not what I know others have experienced, it's not how Instruo operate for ochd or in general and this isn't what I'd expect. This isn't to deny your experience but simply to say that's not how things operate normally.

Just speaking generally videos are a really handy way for a company to hear and see what's happening and that can sometimes speed up the process and help diagnose.

Would you like to provide me with further information so I can follow this up with Instruo?

All the best, Ben.

EDITED Jul 6th 2023, 15:49

Mine broke within four months—inferior build quality. The folks at Instruo were extremely prideful and rude when I initiated the return—making me send many videos over multiple days before they believed it was busted. One of the LFOs wasn't working, and it was an obvious warranty issue, yet they still doubted everything I would say, even after I would prove it in a video—horrible experience. I would advise finding another LFO. I would not recommend Instruo at all. I have had 3 of their modules fail due to poor manufacturing.
Horrible module made by an awful company.

EDITED Jul 6th 2023, 13:43

Are you going to use an external sequencer? Above all, a clock source and clock modulators would be missing. Pam's is a very good option https://www.modulargrid.net/e/alm-busy-circuits-pamela-s-pro-workout,
and maybe a simple clock divider
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-160

I am looking for a mixer modul with around 4 inputs that are panable with a stereo out? I am open for ideas.
-- DareDenis

Doepfer A-138s.
Don’t look any further.

Hi
I want to build my first rack. I have a vage plan what modules I want but I am sure I am forgetting something. Or something is redundant maybe?
The music it should make will be mostly for ambiance, indie game music. A take on modern 8 bit music.
I have a Microfreak for clock gate and note input. As a delay and reverb I will use my Microcosm.
All Befaco will be bought as a kit and I will build it myself.

Here are the things I want think are a good choice:
Behringer Brains
Happy Nerding 3x MIA
4ms Company Passive Mult kit
Make Noise Maths
Doepfer A-145 LFO
Befaco Mixer ( the 4 in 1+/1- out thing)
Befaco Sallen Key Filter BF-22
Intellijel Quad VCA
Befaco Crush Delay v2
Doepfer A-140
Befaco VC ADSR
Befaco Dual Atenuverter
Befaco OUT V3

Id like to hear your opinions! What is missing, what should I add..

Thanks :)

Edit:
I am looking for a mixer modul with around 4 inputs that are panable with a stereo out? I am open for ideas.

EDITED Jul 5th 2023, 18:19

I agree that those two are nice modulation sources.
I was more referring to audio rate modulation, to achieve new timber. I love modulating Generate 3, it cn do so many interesting sounds.
Maybe Orbit 3 can do such duty, no idea - I don't have it (it's probably very wild at it ?)

I have no idea if the Medusa can do audiorate - and this is something that I will test asap :)

The medusa and orbit 3 were supposed to cover that? Agreed that modulation is important.

-- YappyMeatRobot

All, some great advice here…

@farkas – I’ll have to check out Melvins stuff, sounds ace. You also reminded me to blow the dust off my Strat... Now days I’m a diehard Doepfer user and have found this creatively inspiring as you have to think more cleverly around patches with more basic style modules.
Regarding post, I was alluding more to finding myself listening and watching the synth enthusiasts who got me into modular many years ago and have yet to see any head turners in 2023. I wonder if this is symptom of new modules releases, changing platforms, or just changing music tastes in general…

@wishbonebrewery – maybe I need to add a pint of the good stuff into my creative workflow. In 2023 I’ve also found myself gravitating towards coding rather than hardware builds, as VCV rack seems like a great entry point for new enthusiasts.

@geusensdriesmusic / @JimHowell1970 – completely agree, maybe the quick solution is just to get on with recording and writing music rather than procrastinating on everything else happening around me with eurorack. Should probably get attending local modular meet ups also.

@Sweelinck – Modular for me has always been about building a custom instrument personal to me. I come from a Violin background, so having to pick the right modules – just like choosing the right sounding Violin, makes sense to me. I do like your analysis of what it means to be inspired, so thanks for that.

EDITED Jul 5th 2023, 11:36

The medusa and orbit 3 were supposed to cover that? Agreed that modulation is important.

A musical instrument can inspire musical works and even the music of all composers during a whole century. The invention of the piano ('piano-forte', the power of expressing nuances) has inspired a century of romanticism. The harpsichord alone could not have offered this path.

But human beings can also individually create their own path with the same tools. Debussy and Rachmaninov had the same piano but their music was totally different.

Things are not one way.

Someone once wrote that among the best musical spirits of our time should be included the creators of electronic instruments. He wasn't wrong.
Only the modesty of people like Bob Moog or Dave Smith (Dieter Döpfer or Emilie in the modular world) could contradict this statement.

Too close proximity between the 5HP RackBrute power module and the internal power supply part of some mixers can generate a noise/tone. I’ve experienced that. In this case, you just have to move them a little bit apart.

so both cases ate part the same
instrment and are played
together ?

this looks like a fun monster.

i would suggest adding an oscillator to be used as modulator, something like an intellijel dixie 2+ (or a Kermit if money doesn't matter).

a wavefolder would also be a fun tool. (joranalogue ?)

have fun!