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For all the things in that setup, you could probably justify not only the Hermod+ but also its expander, which would give you 32 assignable outputs for gates/triggers or pitch or whatever. This might be more costly than anticipated, but this is a big system with a lot of voices or voicelike elements. Before going that route, you could also use the 8 MIDI tracks, completely separate from the 8 CV/Gate tracks, to sequence the Bitbox (and anything else in the rack via MIDI to CV conversion such as what can be done in o_C.). o_C and Pam's can also fill in some of the drum duties, since they have a variety of sequencing options.

This is a thirsty system, and it will absorb most of what you throw at it. Sequencing for eurorack helps not only with placing drums and melodies, but:

• sequencing modulation parameters
• changing the state of an effect at a crucial time
• sequencing switches/crossfaders/mixers/logic/etc. to switch elements of your patch on the fly
• using the more predictable sequencer tracks to clock, manage, and tame other, more boutique sequencer concepts

...and anything else in your system that takes voltage. Plus it spits out LFOs and envelopes, which you will definitely want more of. Overall, I don't think you could overdo the sequencing in there even if you cut out a voice/effect or two to add in some stuff for signal flow and routing. Just be sure to buy things carefully over an extended period and make sure you use the system frequently as it comes together to troubleshoot problems and get the best sense of what is or isn't missing. You never really know what you can and can't do until you sit down with what you have so far, and you only have two hands.

Personally, for all of that plus the modules to sustain it, I would recommend a sequencer with more outputs and tracks, like a Hermod or Hermod+, Nerdseq+trigger expander, Per4mer, Eloquencer, etc. Plug a cheap MIDI keyboard in there for note entry in there and suddenly you've got a lot more going on for almost the same price.

You could get by with the Ground Control, I suppose, particularly if you find a good deal on it and have looked into the workflow to confirm you'll like it. The Pam's will be really important alongside that as well. I don't think Rene 2 can handle the job alone, though it may complement another sequencer very well. A Rene 1 can be found quite cheap to achieve something like this, or you can try the Hemispheres app that roughly emulates it.

Are you planning for this case to be at home or more of a live thing? Do the sounds need to be fairly melodic and gridded, or are you looking for things to be looser and more chaotic? You also have the option of getting MIDI to CV converters and just running this from your computer or other more traditional midi sequencer.

Overall, my personal opinion is that CV/Gate sequencing is better off having a free track or two that can be used to sequence weird stuff to see what happens, as opposed to having not quite enough when you want to do something full and alive with all those sound sources, samples, and triggered drums. If you decide less sequencing and more creative stretching of other modulation for musical results works better for you, that's fair, but it's worth considering - especially when a Ground Control is pretty expensive.

EDITED Nov 9th, 21:26

What do you use the most? You should build your live setup around a condensed version whatever it is you do naturally. What's a patch you've done recently that you felt you were able to jam on productively for a while? This might be more of a songwriting challenge than a setup issue.

How do you normally sequence this stuff? Do you plan to have distinct melodies/structures that evolve, or do you usually make your music by just improvising and not worrying about what "song" you're playing? I don't see a dedicated sequencing device on here, and that might streamline this process for you. There are a lot of possibilities in here for sequencing a set like you've described, but as you say, this potential is scattered across various modules without a clearly emerging singular logic. That aspect is extremely personal and will benefit greatly from trial and error that I presume has already started.

Since you know you want acid stuff, start with whatever makes the best and/or largest amount of usable acid sounds for you and go from there. What's your favorite way to put that element in, and how would you generate the pitch and gate info for it?

If you want the MIDI input to work on your Intellijel case, you'll need one of their 1U MIDI output modules to connect to it. If you don't need that, then you're fine, but it might help for sending pitch and gate information to the Crust and its other firmwares (Pizza is a great oscillator, and the Basil is not only a great delay but an interesting Karplus-Strong voice). Unfortunately, there isn't much room for my next suggestion, which would be a hands-on source of free-running modulation (LFO, function generator, etc).

Overall, I think this can absolutely be used as it is, but I am wondering how committed you are to the Palette case. They are pretty expensive and require at least two extra modules (a 1U MIDI out and a 1U stereo out) in order to get all the functionality you need. The 1U modules you've chosen can easily be found in 3U format. In other words, a lot the extras that make this case so expensive don't seem to be a concern for you, unless I am mistaken. Will you be using this alongside MIDI sequencing and mixing things outside of the rack?

EDITED Oct 28th, 22:31

I wouldn't recommend more voices. 3 in a system like this is plenty, and havimg enough modulation to move them around is arguably much more important in this format for getting full and complex arrangements. If anything, this is a good reason to keep Maths anyway: if you set one or both sides to cycle and turn the rise and fall way down, they will go at audio rate and function as oscillators. You can have then function normally by using the Both input as your pitch input. You can also have some weird, pitch affected waveshaping by putting the pitch information into just the Rise or Fall input.

All the modulation you can fit in this case is good, and Maths is a versatile module that can cover a lot of ground. Pam's is a good inclusion, too, but the clocked nature of it means you'll want another more free-running, hands-on module to complement it. The logic and mixing elements will also help for making interesting hybrids of these elements. There are other options for complex modulation modules that potentially take up less space (Xaoc Zadar, Intellijel Quadrax, Mutable Peaks, Vostok Fuji), so this is also an option, but Maths can do a bunch of things these can't (like be an oscillator or envelope follower) and is probably more fun in this context.

There are two MIDI input modules here. mmMidi does not do MIDI out. Just MIDI in. You'll need something that explicitly does CV to MIDI conversion. Alternately, you can just use Pam's with its MIDI expander that has a MIDI out, but that will limit you to what you can get out of Pam's (not that this is all that limited). Don't forget that the Arbhar has an expander that allows for polyphonic MIDI input as well. You may not need as much direct MIDI to CV conversion as you think. What else needs to be clocked via MIDI aside from Pam's?

The ALM MCF is pretty much only available in the System Coupe amd doesn't appear to be around anymore. Unless you found one ypu can buy or you already have one, you may need another filter.

Otherwise it all looks fine to me. I'm a big fan of the Aurora, especially because it also has alternate firmware for a slightly more conventional reverb based on FDN, so it can be both its beautiful weird self or a more traditional sounding reverb with modulation if you find yourself needing that in the rack but not wanting to buy a whole other reverb. The Intellijel VCA is a classic and a good call. I'm not crazy about output modules in the rack, and there are 0hp options (I have a nice one from Herzlich labs), but if you think having one in there will help, I say go for it.

If you need more space, don't be afraid to put the Mother-32 back in its own case. It seems like a good balance to me for now (you don't need much to get a Moog, a granular synth, and another oscillator to form a full arrangement), but temptation is always there and you do have some wiggle room if something comes up.

I can't really imagine how a ban is not appropriate here. If they aren't going to be banned, then I guess that means they're allowed to do this in a context where we can respond freely.

Well, that happened again.
-- Zacksname

@Zacksname
Do not feed the troll, please

-- Larsech

Who are you?

Who is acidtonic and why do you think they are me?

Well, that happened again.

While you're picking up little Takaab modules, I would recommend a 2LPG. It might open up what kind of oscillators and sounds you can use as percussion, and it's cheap, small, and passive.

More modulation and yes, probably more clock fun.

Not the most creative, but very practical because you can buy it in stages (Labyrinth has its own case, Hector (has its own case), case/utilities). Plus, as you learn more about specific modules and get more stuff (if you do), these will still be useful, and you can out them back in their own cases and use the space for more stuff.

The Hector is a suggestion I go to because it has so many Mutable Instruments modules ported to it. Marbles and Grids are great generative sequencers that are both there with great interfaces. It also has great effects and synth sounds from Mutable (and in general) that will work with the Labyrinth and cover areas it can't (as the Labyrinth does for the Hector with its filter, oscillators, and hands-on elements).

But, of course, make sure you do some research, play with VCV Rack or Hexen, and narrow things down so you know what you want and why when you start spending. There are a lot of ways to do generative modular – it's one of the things the medium does best.

EDITED Apr 17th, 17:14

We know.

-- Zacksname

shoutout "zach", btw. lol.

-- singular_sound

Are you going to get a Bitbox?

Weird, you have been leaving forever for close to three days now
-- Fruarse

i have a lot of free time. :|

-- singular_sound

We know.

Not that I can comment on everything but spotted your 'No Effects', I keep a 2HP Verb in my percussion case for Hats & Claps I find it just finished off the sound nicely when you need it and it obviously only takes up 2hp.
-- wishbonebrewery

There's an Intellijel 1U effects unit in there.

It kind of just seems like you wanted only compliments and no criticism, which was not going to happen because people were under the impression you were going to buy this stuff, and if people's differing opinons could dissuade you this easily, your concept may not have been as sturdy as you thought. If you get advice you don't need, just ignore it. You don't have to argue against their vision. It doesn't cancel yours out somehow.

If you look back at your old posts, you can see pretty easily where it derailed. You can actually go to your profile and look back at all of them.

Do you believe that I said you hate me?

I'm pretty impressed that this somehow got worse while I was asleep.

I am no more certain of what your goal is here than I was a year ago, but I am more suspicious than ever that something more than trolling is going on. Probably nothing of importance, really, but that just makes it even more confusing.

EDITED Apr 12th, 10:29

I would have, if i was ready to start planning a case, but it is a detail that i was confused about, that you missed an opportunity to help clarify for me, that if there was an on site bot that I could dialogue with, that i asked for help putting things together, could have just resolved this in the natural flow of things. I came on here as a noob wanting to bounce around ideas about design concepts and was treated with hostility. AI would have had emotional sensitivity training. What the eff makes you still think that there is zero chance I will ever become a modular performer @zacksname , its just disrespect.

(I did google it. Google actually did give me the right answer as the first result, which i wasnt expecting, because tbh i barely trust Google anymore, but, Fair Point. Etcetera.)
-- singular_sound

You 100% brought the hostility to the situation. Multiple people gave you considered advice on your designs and you just got more and more resentful of the fact they told you things you didn't want to hear.

It's just, wouldnt it be nice if The Admins could train a chatbot on that data, and i could get an answer without having to bother the forum?

-- singular_sound

Google it.

Did you look up different cases over the past year you've been working on this? I seem to recall you constantly making 100hp racks, so I figured you planned to make the case yourself. I think it's more fair to say you didn't look this up or ask than it is to say you were confused about it.

Can you show me where I said you didn't belong here? I get the feeling that "basically literally" is doing a lot of work to qualify your statement.

A wavefolder? Definitely a big part of the Buchla sound, and it'll be perfect for those 258t sine waves. Intellijel make a pretty fun one, the Bifold, but there are multiple options.

A 296-style resonant filter bank/EQ? That's a pretty classic west coast design. The Buchla one may not fit, but the Serge or Erica Synths ones will. ADDAC also makes a triple bandpass filter like the one Buchla makes for their 4U systems, which might be a more useful version of the concept for you.

Some of the recent module concepts from Tiptop like the programmable pulser or the frequency shifter might be fun here.

What's wrong with a power module? They posted a small case with a uZeus because that's one of the easiest ways to put together a small case.

What kind of "little misunderstandings" do you think AI could improve?

i will most likely never pick up any eurorack modules.

-- singular_sound

Shocking.

"get a life.

peace"

I love it.

I thought you wanted people to engage with you. I'm the only one still willing to do so, and I've been as reasonable as anyone could be about all this. If you don't want to talk to me, that's fine, but if you don't like what I've said then there might not be a point for you in coming here to engage, especially if you continue to be combative about any advice that conflicts with your idealized version of modular synths.

Which things would you get first?

Do you want a $6000 eurorack case?

You spent $30 on a yoyo?

If you are careful and follow advice from those with experience, you should be able to get a good modular system for less than $36,000.

You spent $200 on a yoyo?

I think if you apply the same attitude you applied to yoyos here and get engaged with the actual materials, you will do better.

Do you actually practice with that?

If you had said somewhere in your early 20s, I would be more optimistic about you outgrowing this disposition and learning to be more patient when taking on a new hobby.

How old are you?

i think people just need this site to provide them a gentle reminder about how to think about using this very site. etcetera.

-- singular_sound

I definitely agree that there are people who need (at the very least) a gentle reminder about how to approach using this site.

You might need to read some books/posts, watch some tutorials, and also get more familiar with the materials themselves. This will help you understand the onboarding process better, and if you don't find this resource at the end of your research, then you'll have everything you need to create it. For now, I'm not sure you'd know which of these resources are the right one even if you found it, because you haven't done the thing for which you're trying to create and evaluate learning tools. Having a plan and overall goal is good, but you still have to start at the beginning and go through it all step by step.

have you read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance @Dub007 ? that is the book i was trying to reference. if you have not, you might not grok what i have in mind, etc. ...

peace ✌️
-- singular_sound

You mean a piece of pop philosophy from an author who themselves claimed the book was not really an accurate take on either "zen" or "motorcycles", the two things it was ostensibly about? I'm not even inherently against such a project for music gear and modular synths in particular, but who would such a resource be for? Why would it be Modulargrid that provides it?

zacksname, i have just one thing to say:

https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/taking-criticism/
-- singular_sound

I get the feeling you will have more than this to say.

1. You are doing that, though your inability to take criticism without being defensive will limit how much people want to engage with you. People aren't going to engage with you if you are demanding and difficult in ways that aren't called for.
2. You are doing that and people are responding to them.
3. This process cannot be done without you doing the majority of the work in testing module types, trying things one step at a time, maybe visiting music stores to see what you can try. VCV Rack and Hexen are around for free, and you can read module manuals to better understand what they can and can't do. Only you will know what works best for you, and figuring it out is part of the fun. If you just want an "all-in-one band in a box", they already have that, and it's called a computer.

If you want to flex your creativity, play some music. If you need help with something, ask. If you just want to chat, maybe see if there are any Discords you can join or go on Modwiggler. In my experience, conversation here seems to be limited to people posting music or asking specific questions. If you already have "very specific taste", you might not need to share your ideas before you start working on them anyway. Frankly, your behavior here is pretty alienating and will not turn this place into a great place to make friends. Being a good listener and taking the feedback you asked for well even if it doesn't necessarily fit your goals will work much better.

EDITED Apr 9th, 19:02

What is your current goal?

And we don't want to limit our responses to just the ones you want.

I feel like I get the general direction of your satire, but without identifying a real issue and purpose it just lacks a certain bite and effectiveness.

I think making contributions based on your experience with a studio that isn't going to exist is probably limiting your ability to get engagement with people on a website about things that (mostly) do exist or will in the future.

If you have too much time on an Android phone and want to learn modular synthesis, you should try a free app called Hexen. That way you can actually build patches and work on ideas.

I will give you credit: I enjoyed the fact that this is your rack where the joke was about having too much random modulation and too many utilities, yet it still has too many voices. I actually laughed out loud a little. I think that officially makes me a nerd.

EDITED Apr 9th, 07:59

Your link is weird, but I assume you mean the "(Current)" one.

An LFO module of some kind (Ochd, Batumi, or whatever seems fun to you)? Maybe even a spring reverb for that classic Easel sound. It's hard to go wrong here. Maybe even a filter if you want to expand your palette beyond traditional Buchla sounds while keeping things fairly simple and focused.

I would rank my suggestions here in the order they appear in terms of relevance/usefulness.

I suggest keeping the ring modulator, too. They sound great with the 258t sine waves and it can also act as a bipolar VCA.

Do I need to be worried?