Ha, ha, yes, just right THAT ;-)

Hi Sacguy71,

Ah yes, the Doepfer monster base case (A-100LMB), that's a nice one, I got that one and on top it: the A-100LMS9. Nice combination! However your plan sounds good too, I guess you have two A-100LC9s? Those two next to each other should just fit on top of that monster base case.

Well, can't wait for your jams and videos of your new setup :-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Lugia: Ha, ha, LOL! Okay what I am going to tell you now you most likely even less believe than my previous (first) explanation to Troux. But all right: Let's start with the costs, it's about twenty bucks a year, cheap right?! The good news is, you can get that "what I am on" here on earth, no hyper-space travel needed. I guess you now want to know where to get it, right? ;-)

Oh, THAT! That's easy enough here...and LEGAL, too! ;-)

It's this forum, Unicorn account at Euro 20/year (but even without Unicorn it works pretty good) and that's all you really need and you guys as patience listeners ;-)

Oh, THAT...and not THAT! OK...yep, MG does work great w/o the Unicorn, but the rack limits are a bit of a hassle if you're doing a lot of builds, doing bigger builds, etc. However, for those exploring, the basic freebie account is BEYOND an excellent asset! MG, even without the ongoing perpetual "clinic" that the forum offers, has likely saved synthesists many thousands of $$$ by letting them entertain ideas without resorting to hardware.

Here's the acid test for legibility of panels:

If you take the module in question into a room that's lighted like you'd find onstage in a basic gig situation and you can't figure out what the HELL is going on with the panel markings, then you probably need to find a module of that sort from a manufacturer who understands more about what working musicians need than they have this compulsion to do snazzy designs that fail under those working conditions. If you have any of those newfangled app-controlled colored LED bulbs, just drop your lighting to about 25% of normal, then change the color to a deep red and/or a deep blue. If you CANNOT read the markings legibly enough to make patching and control decisions at the pace your music requires, then you probably need a different module for that function.

One note about subjective analysis of your own work: you are, inevitably, the worst critic of your own work. If something seems "too long", it's probably not long enough. Too "bright"? Try increasing the bright-ish controls. And so on.

Never second-guess in the lesser direction in what you create unless something's GLARINGLY wrong. Otherwise, just push the HELL out of that envelope...go as far as you can. This is how you discover what you're creatively capable of...and how what you create becomes clearly yours. And you're far less likely to be pegged for "lifting" someone else's style.

Korg also dropped the ball on their small SQ-1 sequencer by not including a standard 9v power jack and requiring a USB dongle to power it or use 2xAA batteries.

Thanks Garfield,

Yeah the Doepfer Monster base case will let me stack my two 6U Doepfer cases on top to make things easier and more organized as well as give me another 200 HP of space for a sequencer, mixer, more support tools like logic, matrix mixer, switches and attenuators/offset/attenuverts plus another mult/buffered mult module with room for a few more percussion modules and complex oscillator/filters and another complex function generator like Maths or Falistri and noise generator like Sapel. More FX as well.

Thank you, Garfield,

I love teaching and while I am a beginner, can share my experiences and patch tips. Yeah, I bought a clock and sequential switch on Halloween sale this week plus more patch cables and knurlies to make swapping modules easier between setups. Looking forward to put Pamela to a full workout and Doepfer sequential switch once they arrive this week with Plaits and Plonk. I want Rings but not enough space so probably in future along with a sequencer.

Thanks Garfield!

I am experimenting and learning how to craft cool tracks and sounds. Big fan now of Noise Engineering and Harvestman modules they do so much and many patch points for crazy modulation ideas. Quadrax is great as well.

Hi Sacguy71,

Wow! There are some serious nice sounds in this jam! I like those sounds a lot. Bit of an industrial kind of touch to it as well, right? :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this, nice short jam and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

I can't wait till you get that monster case and all the modules you are planning to come up... I am quite sure that's going to be lots of fun too :-) !

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Nice that you made a tutorial video for modular beginners. It makes hopefully beginners curious enough to get started themselves too!

It's good to hear you are having a clock coming on your way, you really need that! :-)

Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Fun with this one today

Thanks Garfield, yeah loving eurorack and my setup. I always stumble into a happy accident each time I patch due to my lack of experience and silliness. One thing that I love to due is to crank the hell out of filter resonance and feed lots of CV into the filters from other sources to make them self oscillate. I can take a single percussion module like BIA and make it sound like a complete instrument that sounds nothing like drums. Noise Engineering and IME/Harvestman modules are super fun and awesome due to lots of patch points to modulate and tweak for dozens of tones. I am saving for a Doepfer monster case and more modules like a complex all one sequencer and mixer central brain. I wait on that until Endorphin.es Ground control arrives in stores and I see reviews/videos or perhaps get Eloquencer or 512 Vector with expander that can sequence both CV and gates.

If that helps, the pots model for Make Noise Maths central mixer are:
Taiwan ALPHA B100K R09 23MMF.
The pots model for Make Noise Maths Rise and Fall are:
Taiwan ALPHA B10K R09 23MMF.
I will have to replace the pots of mixer channel 2 and 3

Accipere quam facere praestat iniuriam.
Ad maiora!

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I'll pay for that

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It is not a question of cleaning the pots, but of replacing them.
The pots cannot always be recovered.
In this case they must be replaced.

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Hi Sacguy71,

He, he, looks like you got a lot of fun during your Halloween weekend! :-)

Thanks a lot for this and you have a Happy Halloween too, kind regards, Garfield.

@Kel_ dude that is freaking amazing very chilling halloween too! Would love to see a video of you walking the patch for learning and teaching purposes. One thing that I love to do as a beginner is help others. Here is me patching my system with Noise Engineering and Harvestman/IME modules:

I do get a lot of haters for some weird reason who downvote my videos on YT channel with no valuable feedback.

Fun experiment step by step for total beginners like myself:

Hi Ambientnun,
I'm using mmMidi, and it's a great midi couple to Pamela, you could send the clock thru x24 output and the transport to start pamela thru run output. It's only 4hp, and you got 2 channels midi to send CV/gate to your modules. No issues found in my use, so handy imho.

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@the-erc, thank you for the kind words, and glad you enjoyed it.

And @ everyone here, thank you all for making this one of my favorite threads on MG, with a special shoutout to @GarfieldModular 🤣🤣

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This looks like a lot of fun. One of these days I'm going to grab a few of the Serge modules. They sound so good.

Clean up the mess!

In the Edit menu on the rack planner page is a new entry called Clean up the mess!.
That function indeed cleans up the mess by deleting all modules that are placed outside of the rack.
It's a requested feature by a heavy user who was tired to delete the modules one by one.

Heh all good fun!

Agreed re. the new IME modules, too small for me!!

Here's a random recording of The Harvestman from the other night:

https://ln.sync.com/dl/708de7660/cj2tui8q-9gdhaxhg-hhs8cgx2-9gz6jwrf

BIA is an amazing module. I also like Plaits and Plonk both can do percussion as well as many other things. If you modulate a few modules then a basic groove box is possible in a small modular setup.

Totally agree with you Lugia, the old Harvestman name should have never been switched to IME- Industrial Music Electronics that was a bad move on Scott Jaeger's part in my opinion. Yes, sonic mayhem that is the sweetspot for me I love it besides you cannot really get that crazy madness in traditional synths and modular power in the exploration of sound. I plan to get a bunch of the older Harvestman modules MK2 as they are less expensive now and from working with the menus of MK3- I am not really a fan of them and prefer simple knobs, dials and switches. I mean the MK3 is great and still very much hands on for the most part and presets are cool but give me basic dials and switches and lower prices. Sonic mayhem like this patch I made tonite for Halloween:

Messing around Happy Halloween!

Hehe yep :)

I have the mkII modules except the Polivoks VCF & LIDER Suboctave and the mk I Double Andore, it's a very stable box, I am not changing much around in it, it could well be as it is now forever.

Agreed re. the new name, it's just so boring in comparison, I have no idea why...!

Hi Lugia,

Thank you for your point of view. Interesting thoughts about the Kyra indeed. So, I will test at my local dealer not only the Iridium but the Kyra as well :-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Awesome! Have fun.

Looks like you kept the modules I suggested. Be sure that's what YOU want. It's your instrument, not mine, so go slowly and don't buy everything at once. Your actual rack will probably end up very different from this plan.
-- farkas

After a bunch of hand wringing I bought the tiptop mantis case plus the Euclid circles and the BAI to get started.

After everything arrived I realized no patch cables were included. So I ordered those and they arrived today.

And of course I don't have a way to hear anything yet. :-( I kept getting stuck trying to decide between an outboard mixer versus in case mixer. Finally today I decided to not decide and bought a basic four channel mixer that doesn't cost much and can be used for CV later when I get a big boy performance mixer. The mixer should be here in 3 days.

Next purchase I am thinking will be maths unless my exploring leads me in another direction.

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Hi Troux, Lugia and Farkas,

Troux: Ha, ha, thanks :-) Well if you like to try to get out there in hyper-space don't forget to take your towel with you, the best hint I ever heard and used myself too! Not sure if it works with your own music, but hey, there is enough other good spacey music from other members, so use a strong one, once you managed to "escape earth" then the next difficult thing is that Zopple. It took me more than a year of this spacey music here on this forum available to figure out: A) That it existed and B) how to use it (I mean Zopple). Once you cope with that, hyper-space is yours!

Lugia: Ha, ha, LOL! Okay what I am going to tell you now you most likely even less believe than my previous (first) explanation to Troux. But all right: Let's start with the costs, it's about twenty bucks a year, cheap right?! The good news is, you can get that "what I am on" here on earth, no hyper-space travel needed. I guess you now want to know where to get it, right? ;-)

It's this forum, Unicorn account at Euro 20/year (but even without Unicorn it works pretty good) and that's all you really need and you guys as patience listeners ;-)

Farkas: Thank you! :-)

All: Sometimes I am in a kind of "funny mood" (usually caused by good music, hence the stuff I was listening at here, this time this funny mood was triggered by the good music from Troux) and this here was one of those moods and times ;-)

You all have a lovely Sunday and kind regards, Garfield.

Edit: Removed typo.

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Hi The-Erc,

No way that, that's too long, that's perfect, perhaps even a bit too short? No really, once one as a listener, listens at your track and in your kind of rhythm, it can go on and on for me without feeling bored, it just feels right.

I enjoyed this a lot and thank you very much for that! :-) Kind regards, Garfield.

@troux -- this is really nice.

Hi Mog00,

I totally agree here with Troux, this is a great and nice track. I was listening at it, reading some stuff and suddenly...

Suddenly there was nothing and I was disturbed by the silence... your track had sadly come to an end :-( There is only one solution for that, replay your track again ;-)

Yes, very enjoyable, so thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Oh yes! My Moog versus Modular hero did it again! ;-)

Nice one Mowse, it's always a pleasure to listen at your tracks, this one is no exception to that rule!

Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

@GarfieldModular, that is easily the best comment I've ever read in any comments section of any forum ever. Thank you.

I gave the Iridium a look-over. It's nice...gives you the Quantum engine, etc in a desktop package, and it's cheaper. If you've got a good controller already, or just want to drive it from a DAW, it's not a bad choice. The other desktop Waldorf did recently, though...the Kyra...is REALLY interesting, but my concerns with it are that while it may have 1,000+ oscillators, there's no factory editor that allows you to get under the Kyra's hood, so to speak. And from what I can tell, there's only one third-party trying like hell to sort that out...and even THEY don't have a full-on functional version. Damn shame, really, but it's not the first time Waldorf's created an "orphan" synth.

If there WAS a fully-featured Kyra editor, though, I'd say to get THAT synth. FPGA arrays are super-potent...but they NEED a good UI front end that's way more capable than just the OEM front panel itself.

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Hi Lugia,

Ha, ha, and I thought you didn't like Behringer but it seems you don't like Korg even less than Behringer ;-) Take a very deep breath... :-D

Just teasing you of course ;-)

Thank you regarding the firmware check, will do that when I am going to my local dealer, planning that about early-mid November (if virus situation allows it). Good hint indeed to read the manual first before going there and testing it again.

By the way, wanted to ask you that already for a while... what's your opinion on the Waldorf - Iridium, is it as attractive as the "marketing sheets, videos & stuff" do let us believe or...is it that bats**t too? ;-) It ain't cheap, I realise that but at least it's almost half of the price of the Quantum, so not too bad either. I can't wait to have this thing (Iridium) tested at my local dealer, to check if it's really as cool as Waldorf might want us let believe :-)

Thank you very much and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

No, I don't have experience with WMD - Metron as such, however I did download the manual and read it about 2 till 3 times completely through and it's either my bad reading skills or this Metron only can run forwards... :-(

As you know I am also looking for "that perfect sequencer" (that doesn't seem to exist, not really surprisingly I guess), Metron was quite high on the sequencer-wish-list however when I discovered that it most likely only can run forwards then I decided to put it at the bottom of my top list of sequencers. I have already an Elektron that only can run forwards, so that's enough sequencer for me that can run forwards only ;-) I remember you got some Elektron stuff too, so you might want to check that out on the Metron at your local dealer once the situation allows you. Please test the Metron if it can run backwards and do random, if yes, I would be very much interested in the Metron; though it might come too late for me since I think I made my mind up on this matter.

I also had a look at my local dealer and the availability date of the Endorphin.es - Ground Control has once delayed again... now till mid of November. I think I am going to give up on the Ground Control and decide to go for another approach (regarding sequencers):

I will "split" my requirements into two sequencers. One for drum/percussion (I think that's going to become the Erica Synths - Drum Sequencer) and one for the voices, that one I am not 100% sure yet, but that might become the Five12 - Vector.

Busy with the last checks and kind of "final decision" but I think that's going to be it. Pity of the almost 1.5 year waiting time spent on the Ground Control...

Kind regards, Garfield.

Little update here on the Nobsound passive 4-1 mixers...I got some email back from Nobsound, and while I didn't get any feedback on whether or not these can pass DC, the designer says that these LOVE higher voltages...you can safely pump 10VRMS thru 'em and they'll be happy as a clam! So at the very least, they'll function admirably as drop-ins for audio paths.

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Harvestman stuff is...just not right! I love it...if you want "normal", it can do that, but where these shine is on utterly bats**t racket generation. Modules like the Zorlon Cannon, Tyme Sefari, etc are optimized for sonic wreckage. But it's also worth noting that Harvestman was on the Polivoks tip before most everyone else, plus they had one of the first Euro MS-20 interfaces out there.

Only thing I don't like is that new, nondescript name. C'mon...we ALL know this stuff as The Harvestman, and it got its deserved sonic notoriety under that name. Change it back...the old name sounded odd, was memorable, and had a few hints of eldritch bad craziness ala "The Secret of Harvest Home", "The Wicker Man" (albeit NOT Nick Cage's hilarious version!), etc to it.

I'd have to say that you've already managed to paint yourself into a corner. Even if you piled utility module after utility module into that tile row, you'd STILL be screwed. Don't rely on that space to hold ALL of the various utility modules that this build is demanding already...because it can't. Honestly, go back to the 3 row version...you can cram more function into a 3U row than a 1U one. Tiles are really more like "convenience" devices...they're nice, but they're also not a real replacement for fullsized modules, except for basic functions.

Also, modulation sources...well, there's a Maths and a Stages. That's a good START, but if you look at how much modulation the rest of the build really needs to make it do what it can do, you're not even close. Either add more modulation, or back down on the "Sexy" modules.

And one other point: basing the practical operation of your build on a certain aesthetic is, invariably, a huge mistake. The Instruo modules sure do look great, I'll admit...but once you've got the music made with them cut and mixed, no one's going to give a rat's about what your rig looks like. This is leading you down the wrong track, both functionally and fiscally. Instead of going with these expensive-as-hell choices in ALL cases, consider alternatives. You will probably find that you can shave a lot of the costs on this WAY down, and you're also apt to find modules that work as well or BETTER than these spendy things. Put some more time into this, preferably by clearing the decks on this build and starting from the very basics above. Trust me, you'll wind up in a better space than where this is headed right now.

Populus postulo aliquis modus stabilimenta. Feh. JUST GET A CAN OF DEOXIT AND CLEAN THE EFFING POTS!!!! LIKE ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD DO!!!!

+1 on farkas's comments above, plus consider: if it's difficult enough to do a single build function in a 1-row build, you shouldn't even THINK of trying to jam a second function in there.

Stop now. Back up a bit and do TWO different 1-row builds...one is the monophonic voice itself and the other is the electric bass FX chain. This time, also, consider your space carefully and, if you can jam in modules that have multiple functions (ie: instead of one ADSR EG in 8 hp, jam TWO in via a Doepfer A-140-2. Or have two AD EGs with their own VCAs with an A-142-2...that sort of idea), do so. Make ABSOLUTELY SURE that you're optimizing space vs functions like that when working small!

Then once you have them all sorted and optimal...mash 'em together. Obviously, this'll require a bigger case, for starters...but moreso, you can start to identify redundancies, eliminate those, and add MORE NEW functions that both signal paths can share.

One caveat about the audio input: definitely get something with an envelope follower. Bass is pretty expressive, and with an envelope follower, you can output voltages based on incoming amplitude and, if you want a real "peeeeoww"-type hit when you pop strings hard, that'll be the thing that gets it out of the VCF for you. Doepfer's A-119 is something of a workhorse module for this exact reason.

And, of course, VCV Rack is super-recommended as a way to wrap your head around the whats and hows of modular before dropping big buxx on hardware: https://vcvrack.com

Garfield...whatever you're on, let me know where to get it and how much it is! ;-D

Yeah, the MS-20 reREissue with the goofy colors for twice-plus the cost of the electronically-identical Mini is another one of those "Korg's lost their damn minds" indicators I think I mentioned. WHY DO THIS!? My two Minis sound and behave exactly like the MS-20's original version did out of the box back in 1980. True, some people do bitch and moan about how the Mini doesn't sound like an original-build MS-20...but that original one's had 35-40 years of age on it, and electronic components DO age. But if you had a chance to pull one out of the box and styrofoam back in the day and compare what THAT was like to the Mini...no diff, really.

I'd have to say that their peak achievements were the Volca Modular, and the 'Logues before the revisions. After that, Korg started heading off into "bats**t insane" territory. They WERE really kickin' for a while, but at this point a lot of what they're up to is strange and seemingly pointless. I won't touch another new Korg product at this point until

1) the synth community gets either an explanation or an apology from Korg for the KARP 2600 FS fiasco, AND

2) whoever is coming up with these marketing strategies there gets handed their walking papers, AND

3) put that effin' 2600 out so EVERYONE can have one. Or at this point, everyone who doesn't bop out and get Uli's version. For cheaper. A lot cheaper. As in "actually competing with Behringer cheaper", because if they don't answer that call NOW, they stand poised to lose both sales and cred. I mean...c'mon, we don't NEED that stamped out of pasteboard "road case", Korg, just GIVE US WHAT YOU TEASED FOR YEARS!

Yay! Good to know there is another fan here - they really are superb hey!

It took me a little while to fully understand them, but now I absolutely rate the Hertz Donut mkII as one of the best complex oscillators out there!

My tips to get the most from it as a new user:

Turn all attenuverters to their centre position, Discontinuity, Tracking (off) and Modulation to zero, choose Sine waveforms for both oscillators and just patch the main Sine out to the mixer.

Really important: Tune the oscillators to each other < seriously, take your time here, they are super sensitive, but your experience will be transformed if you get it right!

Then turn on the through-zero FM and slowly bring up the Modulation knob to discover lovely FM bell tones!

Once you have found this you have found the most pure of Hertz Donut sounds, from there just adding a tiny bit of any of the 3 flavours of Discontinuity wave folding will give you endless timbres, after that, well, just experiment... remember less is more, but sure... why not go all out and turn it all into a snarling cacophony of sound!!

Pro Tip: use Argos Bleak to generate the ratios ad intervals for your oscillators in FM mode - prepare to be amazed!

Enjoy!

Hi gals and guys!!
My name is Jorge and I'm a professional bass player, about to take the plunge into Eurorack. You are all culpable also!! :D

I'm planning my first case and started with the idea of getting the Make Noise CV Bus Case, and actually the Shared System as an inspiration, but I want to base it off, as much as I can, Instruo's modules.
But after talking with a friend and listening to his advice, I think I'm more leaning to have a case with 2U rows and the central 1U row to setup like a "HUB" for typical useful stuff, as a Mult, Mixer, Output, etc. for example, instead of the actually MN one.
What would you consider in that central strip, if you were thinking about such solution? I'm searching for inspiration!!
This is my "in progress" case:

Thanks for all your input!!

Jorge