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Posted this elsewhere, but I am inspired by this 4ms Percussion Interface vid.

@CBD1000,

You are welcome, glad to help as I am fairly new to modular as well since diving in last year. The Varigate 4+ is only like 12HP and offer a lot of features in smaller sized space including scales/quantizer and multiple modes plus can save patterns for later recall. Plus you can use CV and gate modes. Not as precise as the Eloquencer but smaller size. It was my first modular sequencer and I still use it. But if space is issue you could get like a 40HP palette case with a larger complex sequencer like the Vector, Eloquencer or Erica Black Sequencer and use it with multiple setups on the go.

As for accents, I find the Axxent module with my Metron sequencer very nice touch. To me accents put a lot of flair and spice to drum sequences. I also use them with Eloquencer in ratcheting mode for melodic composition.

@Garfield- hehe well actually the WMD Metron does have random and probability modes! So yes, it does not have reverse or ping pong modes but for percussion is pretty awesome. BUT of all the modular sequencers that I now have in my setups, the Eloquencer is the best one. The display lets me view all 8 channel of tracks sequenced in one clear window plus easy to program and save for later recall and I can do 8 CV and 8 gate/triggers so it is a lot of power. Plus random, forward, reverse, ping pong and ratcheting plus lots of quantized scale options make for a great sequencer. If I get another eurorack sequencer, it would have to have similar capability. I can only think that Vector with expander can do these things unless Erica Black Sequencer adds an expander since that is limited to 4 channels of CV/gates and I'd need to buy two of these to do what my one Eloquencer can do.

Hi Tondakus,

There has been just started, yet another, sequencer post here in Forum --> Racks --> "Sequencing Modular - The Guide", so please have a look there what's being discussed there too:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/9567

Another link that might be useful, so you can check the sequencer requirements you have against all the available stuff is this one here:

http://doudoroff.com/sequencers/

And I had quite some time ago also opened a sequencer post, more for the complicated sequencer (but direct usage):

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/7899

I haven't done any live sessions, so I can't comment much on that however my guts tells me that if I would play live that I need a sequencer that can do quick changes, easy to understand, easy to use and all that usually means that you have no or very less menu-diving. So look for a sequencer that has a direct usage. That very first link here mentioned is looking into that a bit.

Good luck with the sequencer-search and kind regards, Garfield Modular.

Some of it is right...but only some. For one thing, it's really short on necessary utilities...CV/mod mixers, attenuverters, etc etc. Lots of "sexy module syndrome" here; nothing wrong with "sexy" modules, but it's the BORING ones that make them do what they're capable of. Plus, I don't see any sort of cohesive signal flow at all. The dual Rackbrute setup is a good one...but that's jammed with a lot of stuff that's just not going to reach its actual potential. Hmmmmm...

Hi Shakespeare,

It's good to hear you love the Erica Synths - Black Sequencer. When I was checking around after my first choice (as mentioned the Ground Control from Edorphin.es), my second choice would have been this Black Sequencer but both sequencers have been announced a long time ago and when I made my decision both still were not available.

So I bought the Erica Synths - Drum Sequencer, it's indeed even a slightly bit more direct than for example the Five12 (which doesn't mean the Five12 is not direct in usage). I am happy with it as well, pity though that just shortly after I bought the Drum Sequencer, the Black Sequencer became available :-)

Anyway, I am happy with the combination of the Drum Sequencer and Five12, not much left to wish for. Kind regards, Garfield.

No, you have 6U and 108 total hp of space, because you've jammed the M32 into the cab. And since the M32 HAS a cab and power, this is just a bad idea all around...especially since you now have to factor in the cost-per-space to house the M32 in the Euro cab. Convenience might say "yeah, do it", but economics and build capability say "don't even THINK about it!" Remove it and start over, because the overwhelming presence of just that one device is skewing what you COULD do with the cab.

Also, watch your module sizes! You've got a (VERY discontinued) repaneled Clouds in there, and not only can you not actually get that module except on the used market (if you're lucky), there are more capable and SMALLER clones of it by firms other than Mutable. Same advice goes for the Rings, too...go SMALLER. 2 x 84 isn't a very big cab, so optimizing space is paramount.

What I would suggest is to pull back from this, and if you don't have one, get a copy of VCV Rack (https://vcvrack.com/). I'm already seeing errors here that will make this NOT so capable of ambient improvisation...and given that I've been doing that sort of thing since the early 1980s, I oughta know. Instead, dive into VCV and explore, see how to REALLY do this properly (since VCV is a rather accurate Eurorack simulator and even has software versions of some of the hardware modules on MG), and THEN apply what you've learned to a better (and probably considerably larger) build. Otherwise, you're heading right into a rather unsatisfying money pit here.

The 1u->3u adapters are holding:
top row:
- https://www.modulargrid.net/e/divkid-rnd-step
- https://www.modulargrid.net/e/divkid-ochd
bottom row:
- https://www.modulargrid.net/e/expert-sleepers-fhx-8gt-gate-expander-for-fh-2
- https://www.modulargrid.net/e/expert-sleepers-fhx-8cv-expander-for-fh-2
- https://www.modulargrid.net/e/wmd-mscl-black-panel

Hello, please - I am looking for an advice --

I am a guitarist who fell in love with modular synthesis & I have an idea for a band (heavy, slow paced drums & Hanz Zimmer-esque melodies & pads, style: Boards of Canada / Nine Inch Nails / S U R V I V E) - I have some basic synth eurorack setup:

3x Mother 32
Volca Keys
Teenage Engeneering OP-1
Mutable Instruments Plaits
Make Noise Maths
Make Noise STO
Mutable Instruments Veils
... and some other modules

• I plan to use this setup with live drummer - what's the best way of how to control this setup effectively?
  I mean, what kind of sequencer to use, which can be good for live performance? For like 8-10 songs and which can be easily controlled...

I saw Digitakt, Hermod and some other things, but honestly guys, I have no idea how it works and what's good for live performance.

Any ideas?

Thank you very much!

Hi Sacguy71,

Can't wait for that larger studio of yours ;-)

It sounds like a solid plan to move a way from gun-shot-places!

Kind regards, Garfield.

Quadrax with the Qx is fun...you can cascade envelopes!

Note the EOR and EOF markings. What those do is to output a trigger on either the End Of Rise or End Of Fall for each one of the Quadrax EGs. So if you wanted to create overlapping tesselations, you'd connect the EOR1 to TRIG 2 and so on until you got to the fourth EG, and that's where the use of the Qx would stop here. The result is that every time an EG's attack hits the endpoint, a trigger fires the next EG, and so on down...a ripple of envelopes!

Now, with the EOF, this is how you turn this thing into the LFO from hell! Like above, connect EG1's EOF (the end of the envelope) to the TRIG2 in, and keep on going! Then when you get to EOF4, connect that to TRIG1, and you get the most berserk LFO known to god and man, with CV control over eight different rise/fall segments!

But wait! There's MORE...the EOR/EOFs on the Qx can ALSO be used to fire any other trigger input...such as the two on the Maths, which allows you to do either release or decay modulation depending on whether you've sent the EOR or EOF of a Quadrax EG to a Maths trigger in. And there's definitely more trickery that the Quadrax/Qx is capable of...explore!

A Wogglebug is a solid choice for randomness/weirdness/probability.

Another option that is always, always useful is Pamela's New Workout. 8 channels of LFOs/Envelopes/Random/Euclidean sequences/etc. etc. etc. Great in any system, but in a system of this size, you won't find anything better for the space.

I'm using the Erica Black Sequencer. LOVE it. Super-intuitive. Not much menu-diving, which was a firm requirement for me.

In fact, definitely get a Doepfer cab or at least something that can handle a 55 mm deep module with space to spare. I remember running across that while assembling that Boland build, and that seems a tad tight for a Mantis. Another option might be one of Erica's 2 x 104 cabs...they've got beefy power specs and the right sort of depth.

Thanks Garfield,

Yeah I've been busy at work and trying to buy a house to get larger studio space and away from the gun shots and homeless of downtown Sacramento hehe.

That device on the top left of my A-100PMB rack is a Keith McMillen K-mix external mixer! I use it for level volume controls and feed my modular mixers into it. Works great. Hopefully once larger place is ready I can setup all my gear in one place and soundproof the room for recording.

Hi Senor-Bling,

Indeed :-)

I just tried it last night... hmmm... the funny thing is those 3 vocoder modes on the Warps don't really impress me, they are kind of okay-ish but that's about it. The real fun thing is though... if you put the Warps in the Crossfolding mode it suddenly becomes very interesting, totally distorted too. The end signal is then send (in Warps) to a wave folder. I liked this much more than those Vocoder modes :-)

Looks like at the end only the Behringer - VC340 is left as a serious option...

Thank you and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi CBD1000,

Indeed, the Five12 is less menu diving then I was hoping for, there is a little bit if it comes to global settings, then you have a few pages of settings. But important things like: pitch, gate, groove, velocity, (gate) length, repeat, ratcheting and chance are very direct. These buttons are on top of the module, just press one of those and you can directly set that corresponding setting. An example, you are at part 1 and you press the pitch button, then directly those 8 encoders below can be used to set or change the pitch for the first 8 steps. With the Prev & Next buttons you can then walk through your part if it's longer than 8 steps. Works very practical.

If you press the Part button and then let's say 4 then you get part 4 and then press the gate and you can directly change all the gates of part 4. It's really direct, at least that's how I feel it and I am not much a fan of menu diving. But I have to be honest here the Global settings is a bit of menu diving, still kind of okay for me.

It wasn't distance or switching reason for me to decide to go for a in-rack-solution for the sequencer, it's just that I love modular so much that I try to avoid as much as possible (well within certain reasoning/limits) the external device stuff.

I know what you mean with the Elektron, it's less direct control of your sequence. You can do a lot with it but you need to take your sweet time. For that purpose I am not saying the Five12 is a million times better however it is certainly directer in use than the Elektron is.

I just got that Five12 very recently, so currently I am using 4 voices at the same time, still wondering what I am going to do with the left over two voices, but no worries, I will find good purpose for them :-) I just managed to get the drums work via the Five12. That was, in my opinion, a bit difficult to understand from the manual. The manual could be a bit more extensive in my opinion but if you read carefully, most of it has been mentioned somehow... it's just... the manual is a bit too compact for my taste.

Once you know it though, it becomes clear, it's logical in use and it's just a pleasure to use it; it was just the initial setup for the drums section that was a little struggle because the manual is so compact that I had to read it thrice or something like that.

Well... I like to make things complicated. Simple things are pretty fast pretty boring to me, so I was on purpose looking for a sequencer that could do quite a bit but if possible with not too much menu diving, like this Five12 for example. My initial requirements where something like this: at least 4 voices, at least 8 triggers for drums/percussion, at least repeat & ratcheting functionality, at least possible directions: forwards, backwards, ping-pong and random, and a few other stuff but that were my main requirements. If you check that then against all sequencers, not many sequencers are then left to choose from.

Pity, I actually like the concept of the WMD - Metron, it can be easily extended with extension modules, I like that concept, however it only can run forwards... I have already a sequencer that only can run forwards, hence the Elektron - A4, that's the reason why I didn't took the Metron since I didn't want yet another sequencer that only can run forwards.

My very first choice was initially the Endorphin.es - Ground Control, I am interested in that sequencer since about early summer 2019 however after about almost one-and-a-half year of waiting and the Ground Control is still not available, I gave up on that one...

So that's how I end up with the Five12 :-)

Hi Gabor,

Nice to hear a jam from you again! :-) You got some real interesting stuff going on here. As usual a nice video to watch you at work too.

Ha, ha, that kind of bass thing that goes through your music at around 02:00, I love that sound, real nicely done. You make that even better around starting as from about 02:45, he, he, nice!

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi-

I'm putting together a 2021 rack, and would love feedback! This is my first crack at a larger rack system so I'd like to know if I missed anything or have too much/little of something else.

Looking to have (2) Arturia Rackbrute 6u together or side by side.

I currently have a 62hp palette and a 64hp skiff:

I'm not into any particular genre and want to have options to make a bit of everything.

Thanks for any help you can give!

Hi Sacguy71,

Yes, you are back! :-) I missed your videos the last... what has it been two weeks or so?

Interesting jam you got here and nice to see your cases. He, he, you got quite a "forest" of cables near the end of your video ;-) What's that device on top left of your A-100PMB rack?

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

The "lower-level" signal is still high enough that a 5V signal at one input can trigger modules connected to another input.

You should update the description to make this clear. It really limits what the module can be used for. In particular it cannot do what I bought it for.

patch notes:

• 0-coast osc is at least one octave above daisy osc, Tuned to the same note
• adjusting the muxslicer faders to taste (they can provide more movement to env lengths or bias range on marbles)
• sending marbles Y output into Maths ch. 3 to attenuate and pass onto ch 1 rise CV can produce some nice envelope animation
• sending the line output of 0-coast into triple wavefolder's Manual folding (VC 2) can make some interesting distortion and bring tones up front and higher
• adjusting how many gates fire per muxslicer step will change how many times the S/H gets a new sample and sends along to control Maths ch 1 fall
• clouds is in Pitch shifter/Time Stretch mode with the bipoler C channel of quadratt multed to control both blend and position for performative delay effects
• clouds is the final step of the signal chain before going into mixer

Mimeophon rocks so seems like a good choice.

The Kinks S&H will give you random values on trigger if you don't plug an input in. Doepfer also has a nice random module in 4HP.

Does anyone knows if its MPE compatible?

Signals present at one input are also present at other inputs. Is this actually a mixer or just a passive mult? Very disappointing, makes the module quite unsuitable for its intended purpose.
-- the-erc

Hi, thanks for your feedback. This is a passive module, signals are mixed through 10K resistors, so yes you can still hear a lower-level signal though the inputs. Works well as a quick and easy mix solution providing the other modules' ins/outs in the chain are buffered.

Noting a module change - I decided to return the Black Hole DSP 2 - Replacing it with a Mimeophon. I think the BHDSP does a lot of stuff, but I didn't think it did any of them that well. The max delay is too short for me (but it is great for phasing/flanging though) and the reverb didn't wow me either. And you can't sync it. I think I'll get along with Mimeophon better.

In addition to S&H, what else can I add for randomness/probability?

Cheers

Hey @Olias, you shared a link to an image of the grid, not the grid itself. If you share the grid we can copy it and make suggested changes as well as review your module choices better.

@sacguy71
Thanks that are quite some good tips. Pamela seems a rack-must have, as it is quite popular. The sequencers you recommending are quite advanced. Did you try out some rack space friendlier sequencers that offer quantisation + randomisation and scales (e.g. Scales from Intellijel)? For drum sequencing how important is accent for you? (e.g. Erica Drums have it but I could not find other sequencers that have this besides trig).

@Garfieldmodular
Ok, I understand. I checked the Five12 handbook already. Very deep functionality indeed. I had a bit the feeling that there is a lot of menu diving, but you already mentioned it isn't. What do you mean when you are saying you are preferring the "sequence-on-rack solution" among external gear? Is it about the distance or switching between devices or more a philosophic question?

I tried Elektron machines as well, but I am not fast enough on them to keep my musical rhythm flowing.

How many voices do you have usually running at the same time on your sequencer? Did you consider/trying the concept of a small sequence module per voice instead the all in one solution? As you have been researching a lot, can you please name a few sequencers you tried out and what you did not like about them? I would like to understand a bit why you ended up with the Five12.

Enjoy your weekend.

EDITED Feb 6th 2021, 18:43

Ha, cool! Yeah, sometimes it's hard to keep track of every option in all those multifunction modules with their Easter eggs and alternative firmwares... :)

Borrowed back my old 0-coast from my friend. I still find it an amazing instrument. Patch details in the video description.

not really - maybe move the neutron to the side so that the beatstep pro is nearer the modular

maybe get some longer cables - moving things around can be a good idea from time to time though

Signals present at one input are also present at other inputs. Is this actually a mixer or just a passive mult? Very disappointing, makes the module quite unsuitable for its intended purpose.

oh! and any thoughts on placement of the modules? right now I have the beatstep pro in front of the case and the Neutron just sits between the beatstep and the case.

Trying to have the best workflow

the buffered mult I got used at a good price. Any reason to swap it for a passive or something completely different? They don't take op that much space

I'm not to worried about if my build is large or not :-) I have one more case, the same size if I need it at one point. Right now im just exploring with the stuff I have and picking up a module here and there...

did some mix tape stuff tonite on modular

Hello, I thought I did provide a link. Did I do it incorrectly? Sorry, this is my first time posting on a forum here.

See the thread in the Patches section of this forum, the "Vocoder Patch", sometimes you need help of another member to remind you that you got already a module that has a certain functionality you were just looking for... sigh... ;-)

Again, thank you Senor-Bling :-)

Hi Senor-Bling,

Ha, ha, you are not going to believe this (and I feel a bit ashamed too)...

I have a Warps already! So, I am going to check this weekend the vocoder functionality :-) Thank you very much for mentioning the Warps and shaking me awake!

The Roland VT-4 is a nice little device as well, thanks for the hint, will check it out.

Have a great weekend and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi CBD1000,

Well my name is Garfield Modular, so I prefer a modular solution if it's somehow possible within acceptable reasoning ;-) That's the reason why I not really looked outside of the Eurorack for sequencers... having that said... I actually did a bit. I have an Elektron - Analogue Four Mk II and though it has a great sequencer, the issue with that one is that it has only one direction type and that's forwards... now I also like to have a sequencer that can go backwards or can do random, the Five12 can do that not the Metron from WMD ;-) Just teasing you Sacguy71 ;-)

I also had a look at the Arturia - Keystep Pro but I preferred an "in the rack" solution hence my choice for the Five12 - Vector sequencer. If you use the Jack Expander extension module from Five12 then you can have MIDI in and out as well. Without that extension module you have two MIDI out (3.5 mm mini-jacks). The Vector has USB MIDI as well, so that's yet another MIDI connectivity you have with the Five12 - Vector sequencer (also without the extension module). I am not using it yet, but it's all possible, just download the manual from the Five12 website and check it out.

Good luck with the search for the "perfect" sequencer, once you have decided please let us know and kind regards, Garfield.

Here is what has really worked well for my workflow on modular and sequencers of which I have quite a few now:

drums/percussion
- trigger sequencers are great with pattern save and recall: WMD Metron, Winter Modular Eloquencer

melody, pads, ambient:
- having ability to quantize to scales is super important! I love my IME/Harvestman Stillson Hammer because it has this feature plus internal clock option and 4 channels of CV control. I also use my Winter Modular Eloquencer as that has 1v/oct CV capable features like quantizer and scale modes

• ratcheting feature is super nice because you can get that Tangerine Dream sound going with duplets and triplets in sequences for melody.

A good central clock to tie them together and keep in sync is very important. I use either Pamela's New Workout or Mordax Data for my master clock to ensure the sequencers keep in time and sync.

Sometimes, no matter how many things you try, how many different ways you change the patch around, how many different settings you use on the modules, hell, even how many VCAs you employ, it still sounds like garbage. Sometimes you just have to pull the cables and go do something else.

Share your frustrations in this thread.

Hi at all,
I completed my build.
Now I'm playing some fast melodic sequences with some patches with maths.
I have yet to understand Quadrax but it fascinates me a lot.
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/patches/modulargrid_73827.jpg
Thanks
FB

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zalmjqf3p3bsfic/IMG_20210203_213134.jpg?dl=0

EDITED Feb 5th 2021, 22:17

Ohhh a S&H is a good idea. I haven't had the results I was expecting for the Pro3's S&H LFO, but that could be user error. I'm also interested in the Disting since it seems to pack a lot of punch into 4HP. And I can't argue with more mults and the Links looks like a good option.

For another sound source I've been thinking about Plaits given its huge variety of sound options, and adding the Polaris filter to go with it.

I'm also thinking that eventually the Mother 32 will exit this rack to make room for other stuff. :-)

Cheers

EDITED Feb 5th 2021, 19:42

A good Sample and Hold (DivKid Rnd Step or an MI Kinks for example) and another voice (I'd pick a digital one) would let you add harmonies and layers, that's probably the direction I'd head in. In a rack this size I'd also be tempted by a Disting and by a Links to add some modulation mixing in a small packacge.

If you provide a link to the rack itself folks will be able to click through and get more details on the modules you've picked. One or two of them I'm not familiar with.

👋 Hey thank you. These are quite some very compelling lists not just for sequencing. Great work!

Can you let me know why you opt in for an ER sequencer instead external with MIDI > CV? I am thinking about using my Circuits which I find quite intuitive to use. They also allow MiDi parameter recording and I would free up some space on my rack. Same probably goes for sampling and mixing using external gear. ✌🏻

Hello all-I am building out my first rack, which I plan on using for live ambient improvisation. I have 6u x 84hp of space, powered by a uzues with 10 busses. I have a mother 32, rings/clouds duo, a dual 32 step sequencer, and a mixer so far. I plan on adding a 4ms dual stereo stereo sampler in the next week or two. What I need is modulation sources. I was thinking of either a turing machine or a mutable marbles clone, as well as a mutable stages clone. And for my remaining space a 2hp verb. Would this be a good setup? If anyone has advice or ideas for alternate modules that might be a better choice, I would love some feedback!

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1463389.jpg

There is a vocoder in Mutable Warps and Flame apparently have a vocoder module in the works for release in spring or so.
For a small external solution, there's also the Roland VT-4. It does have a few other nice features. But TBH I sold it quite quickly because the user interface makes the Disting feel intuitive. YMMV and such...

EDITED Feb 5th 2021, 07:14

Hiya Marinche,

I have in my head the range of sounds that I am looking to achieve with it - a slightly driven mutating rhythmic synth line that sits between the bass guitar and lead guitar lines - where in my music I have previously always used a guitar for this part.

The minibrute 2s gets me pretty close but lacks the voweling effect I am looking for (hence Plaits) as well as lacking fuzz, reverb and delay too. I am also not in love with the sound of the Steiner filter.

I love the sequencer on the 2S as am really only looking to get a few more modules to add a bit more modulation, polish and complexity to the sound it can already produce. My original idea was to get a rackbrute 3u and just 8 modules.

This will be my first adventure into modular and I am not wanting to go down the rabbit hole but rather looking to put together a musical tool that will be fit for purpose and have the main functionality I will need.

Jim also said I needed gates but I am a little confused as to what gate modules to look at and how they will offer me more than what the sequencer already does in that regard as I will not be using this for drum synthesis. I am a total newb so please forgive my ignorance.

I like self-generating-ambient as well as fast complex arps and sequences. I will be feeding in some sequences from my DAW and using my Pro3 for keys/arp/sequences and for its Gate and CV outs. More VCAs? ;-) What else?
Any useful recommendations are appreciated.

EDITED Feb 10th 2021, 12:42

Hi Farkas,

Ah yes, I forgot the new functionality on the MicroFreak, indeed it has vocoder functionality now as well. Hmm, not sure about the MicroFreak itself. I will give it a few thoughts.

Thank you very much for reminding me about the MircoFreak and kind regards, Garfield.