Spend time with what you have... It's a good selection. Sweelinck does a great job of finishing out the case with some nice options based on what you mentioned and I agree... Filter, mixer, fxaid xl or pro and outs would be my next steps as well. All very personal choices... Put your research hat on and happy wiggling
Yes. Even with the jumper removed though, it looks like you are probably pushing the -12V rail close to it's limits. So definitely remove the jumper, but pay close attention to the lights on the UZeus when it powers on. If they blink when you power on then that means you're probably pushing it too hard. All the lights should turn on immediately. Also feel the faceplate of the UZeus after you've had it on for awhile. If it feels like you're going to burn your finger then again, you're probably pushing it too hard.
You need to get in the habit of looking at the power consumption numbers listed in Modular Grid to give you an idea of how much power your rack is using. Yeah it's just a rough estimate, but in this instance it's 478 mA on the -12V rail, that tells you right away that you definitely need to remove the jumper. Given all the space you have left in the rack, you're definitely going to need more power for that rail when you add more modules. A 4MS Row Power module might be a better idea for the remainder of the rack (it provides more power on the -12V rail).
Looking for a bit of tips and feedback
I am building a Matyhs only rack. I want to see how far I can get with a case with only (mostly?) Maths in it.
Looking for:
* creative ways to patch Maths(es)
* your experience (or things you have seen) in using Maths creatively
* how far you think a system like this can go (and whether only Maths is feasible)
Thx people!
I built another Case :
and wanted to use the uZeus with a 3000 mA PSU Adapter. When i turned it on the -12v led didnt light up, but the other ones did. Some modules powered on, too but I quickly turned the PSU down because I feared of destroying anthing.
I also found something in the manual of the uZeus regarding the -12v rail:
"The –12V rail uses a switching regulator. This switching regulator needs to
have a minimum load of 100mA (out of 500mA) at any given time. The
uZeus has a factory setting to self consume this current. If your uZeus is
powering more than four (4) analog modules you can then disable this
setting if desired to make this 100mA available for use by your modules.
With the uZeus powered off, look for header J7 (located below the blue
resistor) and remove the jumper. Re-insert the jumper such that it comes in
contact with only one pin. Once reinstalled in the system, the uZeus will
provide the full 500mA of –12V power for your modules"
Do I just need to remove the jumper? If not, what are the best steps to debugging?
Thanks in advance!
Since I don't hear anyone coming, here is a proposal on the basis of your indications. But beware, others are much better at this than I am. I hope for your sake that they will come to our rescue.
'On ne devrait jamais quitter Montauban' (Fernand Naudin).
https://soundcloud.com/petrus-major/tracks
I’ve given up browsing racks as there are too many useless public random wannabes and duplicates.
Maybe those people who have all the private racks only use this page as a place to organize their racks
-- ferranadsr
That’s exactly why all my racks are private - why would anybody be interested if I swapped two modules, or added something new?
If I thought my rack was good enough to contribute then I’d be happy to share, so lose the private/public terminology and just have an option to share your rack - if it’s worthy ;)
Bravo, Champagne! We are free. And 'Private' is a clear enough term. Well, one could also imagine 'Just married, do not disturb', but I'm afraid that would arouse more curiosity :(
'On ne devrait jamais quitter Montauban' (Fernand Naudin).
https://soundcloud.com/petrus-major/tracks
Hello World,
i find this thread on Mods, https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241276 where a problem like above was describe
Answer was this:
https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Bourns/PTL20-15R0-103B2?qs=%2Fha2pyFaduipoxRmSK9QZtYMCXHfZDC5LELrrzEneq9xucH8v9TrXQ%3D%3D
I won't buy 1200 pieces i only need one!
I have not find anyware in the www this fader.
Do you have an idea where i can buy one fader?
Thank you for help and answer.
All the best and a nice weekend
Because it's technically no one else's business regardless of their reasons for wanting to look. I even sometimes get paranoid that MG staff take liberties by being able to look at any old private racks they like "just cuz".
It's not that I'm hiding anything in most cases (no pun intended), though I have uploaded some non-existent, hidden "concept" modules on here which may or may not ever be realized. And I'm also not here to impress people. I use the grid for planning my racks, both real and theoretical, sometimes in multiple, messy iterations. Why does anyone need to see that? More practically, why might I want to tip people off to what unobtanioum modules I'm scoping out at any given moment? >:3
If I want opinions, I'll ask. I'm not spending 6 hours obsessively moving squares around for any of you, though!
A visualization of your rack that is just as ambient but much less ‘dark’.
We made a first step :)
'On ne devrait jamais quitter Montauban' (Fernand Naudin).
https://soundcloud.com/petrus-major/tracks
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2258232.jpg
Hi all !
I come to ask for your help to help me continue filling my case :)
I would like with my modular to be able to do ambient / dark ambient (and to be able to play it live if I can do it).
But I would also like to be able to create dark atmospheres and fx for my techno tracks.
I am also very attracted to generative music.
I already have all the modules indicated in my rack.
For now I use an analog four to clock the rené
I looking for If possible modules with not too much diving in the menus but I accept anyway.
I also specify that I had an Erica synth black polivoks filter that I sold, because i would like a more complex filter.
Could you help me to find somes ideas of a rack that would work well ?
I don't know all the modules on the market and their functionality so it's hard to get an idea of my "perfect synthesizer"
So I bought these modules because they attracted me or were recommended by friends but I don't have an exact idea yet of how I want to work with my modular apart from what I have said above.
So everything is not very well thought out upstream even if I think that I have not made a bad choice so far and that I like each of my modules.
I haven't fully grasped the eurorack world yet, and I don't have a sharp enough mind to think through a complex patch and get exactly where I want it.
But staying only with the modules I currently have does not help me move forward because I quickly have limitations in all my ideas.
that's why i need you
For now I can use effects with ableton to save money and space.
Except if you advise me rather to have eurorack effects?
I wouldn't mind being able to play it without a computer.
I think I'm not bad modulation for now.
I think I would need a new filter, several other vcos, I had the Honda piston in my sights.
In utility I don't know yet what I might need apart from a mixer and an output module (because I currently take the stereo output from the cloud) and a clock to be autonomous.
and maybe effects?
I'm waiting for your recommendation .
If you can advise me on what I need to achieve my goals that would be great
see you soon 🙂
I'm brutal with my tidying, racks never private.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Oh thanks a lot for the topic! It reminds me I should set everything to private because I really have to clean up my racks, it's such a mess. But you know how it is, tidying up, we keep putting it off... Yet I can almost feel the dust between the pixels. Fortunately, the cat is there to keep the mice away :)
'On ne devrait jamais quitter Montauban' (Fernand Naudin).
https://soundcloud.com/petrus-major/tracks
Exactly, what else ? Do you want to see people your finance plan or shopping list ?
I just discovered that a few of my racks accidently were not on private, i wonder if anything was changed here with that checkbox being off on default if you make a new rack.
Yes I know. Maybe those people who have all the private racks only use this page as a place to organize their racks and make the shopping list without wasting paper. His intention may not be collaboration and sharing. Perhaps they only use it as an office tool, like Word or Excel.
...they don't want to share the secret sauce.
-- Sedalus
thank you for that one :D
...I normally have my current rack and some variation of it as public...
-- ferranadsr
that sounds pretty normal to me.
as stated in my initial post - i am curious why people set all of their racks to private. without judging anything...
(i have added ALL to the topic title)
I still have the WE Transfer link, if y0u PM me you can have it - if that was adressed to me.
Hi,
I normally have my current rack and some variation of it as public, but I have drafts, lists and power draws as private. I don't see the interest that a consumption calculation of the modules may have for the rest of the users, especially when they are the same modules that I have in the public racks.
It's because their mix depends on that super secret module combination you don't know about yet, and they don't want to share the secret sauce.
Don't support a company that does shit like this:
"A further 20 anonymous forum users were added as defendants in the $250,000 suit for making “false, defamatory, and libelous” statements, ranging from general complaints about Behringer ‘copying’ other products or using business practices described by one poster as 'underhanded.'"
https://www.factmag.com/2018/06/20/behringer-dave-smith-libel-case/
https://cdm.link/2018/06/behringer-have-sued-dave-smith-instruments-forum-posters-for-defamation/
If you have to use your corporate lawyers to shut up random forum users about your intellectual property theft... there's a good chance you're doing something wrong.
Combined the two into one module, total HP from 13 up to 14 but reduced the depth from 45mm to 33mm, I'm guessing that's where/why the additional power draw manifested. I'm a little annoyed at my Batumi+Poti combo because the 3HP expander could easily be 2hp and so you end up with an odd-HP module to find a place for, but they aren't leaving my rack anytime soon. This looks like a skiff-friendlier alternative if you really love Batumi, but I'd probably reach for an Ochd (4HP, 32mm) for skiff duties at twice the price for twice the outputs in a third of the space.
Efficiency on the wallet is compelling but I got mine, I'm down the hole, I don't need cheap modules to tempt or help me to get up and running. However the suite of cheap euro clones that don't fit into one of the big 3 systems is starting to look like a great gateway drug to the big boy modular companies where innovation happens. Brains, Abacus, 4LFO, 4Play, Mix, and Space FX total a little over $600. Add a filter like their 121 Dual VCF and you have substantial power under your fingers for USD$724. That level of buy-in could inspire a lot more artists to give modular a shot, anecdotally I sure wouldn't have plopped down $2000 for a Moog if not for the B2600, and here I am balls-deep in even more expensive synths because of that Gray Meanie.
I don't think this counts as IP theft either unless Behringer decompiled XAOC's code which wouldn't be necessary for something of this complexity. This is a quad LFO module, pretty far removed from some unique and magical DSP-based products, and just knowing the basic functionality of Batumi you could replicate it with some textbooks and time. What is the element of Batumi that makes this an infringement - what is their intellectual property at risk here? How many VCOs or EGs are functionally identical with a different coat of paint? It's sad how quickly I see people run to "the law" in an effort to enforce their personal moral or ethical perspective when it's one German in particular. This is no counterfeit product wrt trademark theft: different looks, name, decorative symbols, logo. No one is confusing this for the XAOC original by mistake; the Four LFO is derivative but not counterfeit, or is it time to re-litigate the "your guitar body shape looks like my guitar body shape" issue? It seems like Behringer is operating within the bounds of "the law" that you want to use as a cudgel to beat them with, shucks, maybe grievances at this company are misdirected. If you find it morally repugnant then please lobby for the law to change rather than bleat onto the internet, it's a very sad "man shakes fist at cloud" situation to observe. Just FYI - anyone can report IP theft to the appropriate agencies and you don't need to be the owner of said IP to do so, just seeing it occur is enough. Go for it and post the results please, I'm not being facetious, we wanna know the outcome!
I'd much rather get some unique modules out of them and at this point I wonder if they're aping "tried and true" products to test the waters to see whether modular development is worth the full-time investment after the Roland100/Model 55/ARP2500 stuff. Behringer seems to have started slow and built up steam once the sales rolled in with their desktop/keyboard synth offerings, makes me wonder, but then again we're seeing more clones rather than releases in the same vein as DeepMind in that arena (and to be fair, originals will take longer than eyeing a template). This current batch could also be products that largely function for the company as advertisements for open positions, I think they've been seeking devs and designers for awhile now. It's not like euro fever is slowing down (though a depression may force it) so imo it's time to shit or get off the pot. Rehashes bore the fuck out of me from any company. Behringer's unique weapon as a company is extreme efficiency of margins, I'm seriously waiting for the "look at everything we could afford to slap together" Frankenstein's Monster that's too ugly, strange, and crazy to resist. Popular Module #69 doesn't tingle the peepee much to someone already entrenched.
I still see it listed here: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-2600-vco
possibly vapourware...
-- JimHowell1970
No vapourware - available for immediate shipping - at least in the EU, for example at https://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Behringer-2600-VCO/art-SYN0007952-000
I could send them to you even if they are. 120 MB zip file. Got them the same way.
They can be played in a standard TipTop One but seem to be somehow protected so you can't play them anywhere else at least i have not found out how.
For that reason they have not been of much use to me, hoped i could load them into some sample drum machine or DAW.
-- znort101
I bought my TG One here on MG four years ago and it's killing me that it came with only one card.
I've looked on reddit to see if anyone has one has posted a link and gave up for a couple years until tonight.
Mind if I PM?
Additional gear:
- TR-6s > Strymon Deco
- CV controlled cassette player https://reverb.com/item/68324012-variable-speed-modified-cassette-walkman-selectable-photocell-knob-control-cv-input
- ^ goes into a RC-505 which goes into MV
- Soda water for hydration
I recently bought a Batumi but will definitely get one of those, maybe two, could never afford that at 360 instead of 99
Also never was interested in Maths but will probably give it a try at this price. Also own a couple of expensive Make Noise modules.
Also note: the original Batumi takes +45mA from +12V and only 15mA from -12V. This ripoff takes more than twice of that.
HGsynth thanks for the reply. This already helps a lot. Worth of mentioning is that i'm using a beatstep pro as wel to clock everything and as a sequencer. I was thinking about Pamela's new workout, or a extra vca from intelijel. What kind of multi-fuction tool do i have to think of?
My pleasure. Putting together a system without having tried all the modules is tough, particularly if you're new to this. Glad to help.
Ok, BSP is a fine choice. I love both my Pam's (I have "New Workout," haven't tried the "Pro") and my Intellijel quad VCA; both massively changed how I used my system. Also, the Pam's brings us back to utilities, because you should consider what you want to do with the clock from Pam's. How will you mult the boring regular pulses from one output so you can make use of Pam's more interesting features in the others, like euclidean rhythms, logic, quantization, or smooth random? Do you want to be able to multiply or divide the clock to send different speeds of the signal around your system? Do you want to use the gates as envelopes?
Clock dividers or multipliers (e.g, 4ms QCD), buffered mults (e.g., Joranalogue Link2), VCAs (so many different ones), attenuators/attenuverters/inverters (e.g., Happy Nerding 3xMIA, Frap 321, etc.), and slew (e.g., Joranalogue Contour 1, Doepfer A-171, etc.) all seem to make more sense when you think about it that way.
Other utilities, like window comparators, logic, precision adders, S/H or T/H, gate-trigger converters, etc. all are harder to conceptualize until you need one while patching. For example, what if I wanted to pick gates off of two related LFOs whenever their voltages reach a certain range? Or I want to make a step sequence from a complex LFO or smooth random voltages? Or what if one of my modules is not reacting properly to a gate because it only like triggers or the voltage is not high enough? All situations I've come across, leading to getting the utilities above.
For a multi-tool, I think Ornament and Crime is a complete game-changer. It's menu-diving is only 2 steps deep, and it has so many tools on it (personally, I prefer the Hemispheres option). Play around with that for a while and you'll get to know what utilities you need. People also love the Disting EX and MK4, but I haven't tried those personally. The EX is on my to get list, though. I recommend watching some videos about the different utilities to figure them out. There are a lot of good ones: Divkid, loopop, mylarmelodies, red means recordings, etc... so many great folks in the community explaining how modules work and giving patching ideas. I always watch a ton of those before making a purchase.
Good luck!
Forgetting utilities, modulation sources, etc. is a very common mistake at the beginning. When we think about our dream house, we are mainly focused on the living room, the bedrooms, the kitchen, the bathroom... Corridors, doors, staircases and closets are less of a dream.
@Sweelinck, I love this analogy. Definitely using it in the future. Thanks!
Forgetting utilities, modulation sources, etc. is a very common mistake at the beginning. When we think about our dream house, we are mainly focused on the living room, the bedrooms, the kitchen, the bathroom... Corridors, doors, staircases and closets are less of a dream.
I can only recommend here modules that I use and appreciate:
Buff Mult (buffered multiple), A-180-2 (passive multiple), Sinc Defero (buffered quad attenuator), A-160-2 (clock/trigger divider), A-151 (sequential switch), CalTrans (calibrator and transposer), Booster Stage (amplifier to eurorack systems), Mutes (multi channel mute), Disting mk4 (multifunction module), Listen IO (input/output interface)...
'On ne devrait jamais quitter Montauban' (Fernand Naudin).
https://soundcloud.com/petrus-major/tracks
HGsynth thanks for the reply. This already helps a lot. Worth of mentioning is that i'm using a beatstep pro as wel to clock everything and as a sequencer.
I was thinking about Pamela's new workout, or a extra vca from intelijel.
What kind of multi-fuction tool do i have to think of?
i'm not using a computer or a DaW. Just using the sum out of my linx mixer into a external mixer.
Thanks a lot for all the reply's. Help's a lot to make all these difficult choises :-)
Hi! Thank you very much for your kind words!
Yes, the guitar is all pre-recorded and comes from Bitbox.
In my band I play synthesizers and my partner plays guitar. He often sends me his parts, and I start to compose a track.
Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.
Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.
-- dohmaBatumi is absolutely NOT open source. This is intellectual property theft.
-- Sedalus
That’s what I thought. Can't believe these clowns.
Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.
Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.
-- dohma
Batumi is absolutely NOT open source. This is intellectual property theft.
Two thoughts.
1) You have a lot of nice modules here, and I wouldn't necessarily drop anything that you already have. But I would say that you're missing the architecture necessary to actually use a lot of the modules: utilities. You should be thinking about how to actually get signals to the modules and how you'll morph the signals along the way. For example, you have Batumi for LFOs. Awesome choice, but how are you gonna tame the signal without wasting Maths? Maybe an attenuator (or better yet, attenuverter) or two would help. Or, of course, you could have more VCAs. A sample and hold or track and hold might be worth considering for turning those random voltages into step sequences. A quantizer would be cool, too. What if you want to route a signal to multiple locations? Buffered mults will allow that without any drop in voltage. I particularly like the Doepfer Switched Multiples and Sequential switch for these purposes. There are many utilities that will allow you to mangle, tame, move, or manipulate the signal; don't forget about them! Maybe check out a multi-function tool or VCV rack to get a sense of which utilities you'll need.
2) How are you connecting to the outside world? Are you working with a computer or DAW, or just the standalone modular synth?
Best of luck!
Is the build for Batumi really open source? I'm inclined to say false.
Support Xaoc.
Support working class electronics.
Hi all,
As a fun challenge, I wanted to see if I could build a semi-generative system in small rack. So, using a Rackbrute 6U and modules I already own, I present the results. I explain my thinking below. But what about you? What's the tightest/most complete instrument you could build in a Rackbrute using only modules you already own? Any style, but please explain your rack.
So, here's my thinking:
Row 1: power, clocking, routing/mults, uO_C, voices, envelopes, VCAs
Row 2: modulators, gates, s/h, routing, triggers, VCA, effects, and end of chain processing.
Pam's runs the show with the master clock, with some utilitarian architecture afterwards to get the signals around. My main modulators are Batumi and Ochd, but there are other LFOs and modulators around, as well. Random gates, triggers, and sequences can come from several sources: uO_C, Pam's, or a combo of utilities. These get quantized by uO_C, which then feeds Plaits and Rings. Zadar helps shape it all alongside Veils. Then, the signals make their way to the end of the chain with some effects and sound shaping along the way. Finally, to cheat, there is the ES-9, making the exercise kind of irrelevant, but fun nonetheless.
So, let's see your racks.
So - looks like Behringer duplicated the Xaoc Batuni and added the functions switches from the Xaoc Poti expander.
I think class 10 sd cards are not supported. I've tried with two separate ones. The same files work on class 4...
Anyone noticed the same issue? Or I am doing something wrong?
-- MaxeMitch
Actually, it doesn't seem to depend on class. but some cards I just can't seem to get to be recognised. I tried reformatting them in every possible way. Does anyone know another trick, or an idea what the issue could be?
Predatory company ripping off small businesses without adding any value. If you care about the euro community avoid this.
-- DonKartofflo
I certainly do not care about the "community" WRT consumers. Bunch of self-righteous, narcissistic whiners for the most part.
But why would I buy this when I've already got a Maths, complete with 5-6 failing, glitchy trimmers that render mine almost unusable without paying for replacements? (A fancy rubberized knob on a chintzy, wobbly trimmer is still just that, folks. And that's all MN uses IME).
is there an interest in having a subtab for standard factory built and/or diy cases? i do, eurorack at the least;
with factory built i mean the likes of the pods, palettes, mantis, befaco's, etc. and also the known case builders à la case from lake, too many cases, Damaru, etc. i think there could be a second hand market for these items as well
According to the manual the output gate level for the SQ-64 can be set to 5v or 10v, so if it's currently at 5v I would give 10v a try. Also if you haven't already confirmed that your SD808 can be triggered by some other source I would do that just to make sure it's working.
Another lovely track! I'm glad I subscribed to this thread. :-) Is the guitar all pre-recorded and coming from the Bitbox? Cheers!
Hi,
It's not triggered by the gate output of the sq64 in the gate in of the tiptop module.
Thanks
possibly vapourware...
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
sound sources < sound modifiers < modulation sources < utilities
Earlier this module (Behringer 2600-VCO) was on this site, but now I cant find. What happened? Any suggestion? Thanks!
