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Weird, you have been leaving forever for close to three days now

here, one last shoutout for the new renku corporation album:

https://renkucorporation.bandcamp.com/album/procedural-nuance

leaving forever, now.

✌️

finally, to stay totally within budget, you could consider these three modules, (image wont load right, sorry.) and this case, and have a good amount of room to experiment with and expand with more modules later, and just treat this as the beginning of a journey, as opposed to 'finally' possessing a 'fully complete case' with infinite percussive sequencing options 'built right in'.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1754453849/eurorack-case-6u-powered

just trying to be helpful with suggestions. ✌️🫠✌️

another approach you might consider, if money wasnt an issue, you could just try to put together some of the modules that most interest you, that all together would give you the greatest possible ability to explore and experiment with. i tried to put together something like that for you, but including the cost of case it is already 2x over your budget, and im not even sure how to refine this concept fully yet, but this is what i have:

i cannot design your case for you, but good luck.

peace. ✌️

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oops, the eisei i think its called, i thought was mostly an lfo, because that seemed to be how it was categorized on this site. i was just trying to make a point about choosing the type of modules that make you curious to explore possibilities of everything they offer, as a personal aesthetic choice that i am encouraging o.p. to make for themselves. sorry for not reading the spec sheet on that.

peace

EDITED Apr 17th, 10:39

Please add Maffez; there are currently 6 modules in "other/unknown" by the manufacturer, the modules are not Mutable Instruments clones, and the manufacturer distributes their modules through their website as well as working with other manufacturers that distribute modules through third party vendors.

Thanks in advance.

i didnt want to give a single sentence half thought through response, so i did a bit of a deep dive into 'generative'. it seems to me like it can mean anything from random, quasi-random, to procedural, and you have a lot of leeway in defining what it means for you. one option to consider is the moog labyrinth, it is a fully self-contained instrument, falls inside your budget, and gives you everything you need to start playing around with some of the many possibilities of 'generative'. (moog is a quite well respected brand, etc.) another option would be to really think long and hard about what you actually mean by 'generative', design your own custom sequencer in pd (pure data) controlled from a laptop, that you could then use some kind of interface to send cv note data out to a eurorack case, where you use your budget to create your take on a dark ambient voice chain signal path, something i dont know a ton about. i would recommend the strange-r bighat as a starting point for the generative aspect, but it already eats up into too much of your budget, all by itself. maybe check out the channel "not_a_creative" on youtube for some inspiration. unfortunately, i was not able to just design the perfect thing for you.

sorry. peace.

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{im not the right guy to ask about staying inside a budget. i tend to design stuff that ends up looking like this, etc.: ... ... ... ... ... }

EDITED Apr 17th, 05:13

Hi all, thanks for your replies. You've convinced me that I should add more modulation modules. I'll revise the design and come back when I have an update ^_^

Just wanted to give some more context, to paint a better picture so to say, and to reply more concretely to some of the feedback.

Pulsar-23 it's definitely an interesting choice. I already own the Lyra-8, and in "money's no limit"-land (aka fantasy world) I'd have a Pulsar-23 and Ornament-8 as well. In fact, if money were no limit, I would buy Pulsar-23 and build a drum machine with eurorack modules, just because it sounds like a bunch of fun. Completely overkill, I know, and there are probably other, more efficient ways of producing music, but it sounds like a bunch of fun.

Wrt using only the Oxi One sequencer: I'm planning to have multiple racks covering various functions, and the idea is that the Oxi One can step in as a sequencer in all of them, but for the drum machine I want to have an additional sequencer to offload the "main sequencer". I have this setup in my Suitcase rack, using the M185 sequencer to handle some of my sequencer needs, and the Oxi One for the rest. I've watched some videos of people using the Metron module, and it looks very good for drum modules, and more importantly, it looks like fun ^_^

I do have 1U modules in the suitcase, and I agree they are very handy, so I'll consider switching out the drum machine case for something with 1U modules as well. I chose the Eurorack Go rack because it fits neatly into what space I have available in my home studio, but I'm aware of the problems with Behringer, so I'll take that into consideration as well.

Just to give some ideas of the current setup of my racks:

• Drums: At some point this will be moved into a larger case, with more functionality (basically what I'm trying to plan for with the rack in this thread). I'm thinking of transforming the smaller case into a pure utility rack, with various modulation sources and ways of manipulation, as it's central to most of the other racks.
• Bass: For now Elmyra covers most of my bass needs (but can of course use other voices for bass, and Elmyra can be used for other things)
• CV/IO: Most importantly the ES-9, mostly for recording (I have a patchbay that all of my audio from various sources are going into before being routed to the mixer, and all signals are split so a duplicate signal are sent to the ES-9 for recording), but the Turing Machine is also very useful, especially for my Solar 42F, where I use the outputs from the Pulses module to drive the gates for the four upper voices.
• Suitcase: This is where most of my modules are currently, but is driven by Coral and Pluck as voices (although cDVCA can also be used as a voice), and sits next to Lyra-8, and which I sometime use as processor to add delay and drive.

In addition, as mentioned, I also have a Solar 42F, which I use mostly for drones, textures, and "background" noises. (I also use Lyra-8 for drones sometimes, especially the bassy, gritty sounds are awesome, but I find it a bit hard to control, so most of the time I use it for the effects.)

I want to add another case at some point, about same size as the planned drum machine, to facilitate a bit more spacious and "out there" modules, such as Deckard's Voice, Collide 4, and Oneiroi (for those interested, you can see the current state of this idea here - but note that it's very much a work in progress, and it will need to offer more modulation features as well).

At some point I'm thinking of buying a big rack, something like the Erica Synths Megarack, but that's waaaaaaay into the future. Who knows, maybe my interest in eurorack will fade before I get there. (All of these expansions are going to take me years, so this is nothing that's going to happen anytime soon.)

Also, in case it's relevant: I'm not a professional musician, I do this on my spare time. The music I make is mostly leaning into ambience, but I also enjoy more "harder" styles from time to time (e.g. techno).

Yeah, it's an expensive hobby, but it's a ton of fun ^_^
-- megoth

If you want to integrate your Lyra-8 with your modular, try this:
https://sonic-seed.com/products/lyra-8controller

Hi all, thanks for your replies. You've convinced me that I should add more modulation modules. I'll revise the design and come back when I have an update ^_^

Just wanted to give some more context, to paint a better picture so to say, and to reply more concretely to some of the feedback.

Pulsar-23 it's definitely an interesting choice. I already own the Lyra-8, and in "money's no limit"-land (aka fantasy world) I'd have a Pulsar-23 and Ornament-8 as well. In fact, if money were no limit, I would buy Pulsar-23 and build a drum machine with eurorack modules, just because it sounds like a bunch of fun. Completely overkill, I know, and there are probably other, more efficient ways of producing music, but it sounds like a bunch of fun.

Wrt using only the Oxi One sequencer: I'm planning to have multiple racks covering various functions, and the idea is that the Oxi One can step in as a sequencer in all of them, but for the drum machine I want to have an additional sequencer to offload the "main sequencer". I have this setup in my Suitcase rack, using the M185 sequencer to handle some of my sequencer needs, and the Oxi One for the rest. I've watched some videos of people using the Metron module, and it looks very good for drum modules, and more importantly, it looks like fun ^_^

I do have 1U modules in the suitcase, and I agree they are very handy, so I'll consider switching out the drum machine case for something with 1U modules as well. I chose the Eurorack Go rack because it fits neatly into what space I have available in my home studio, but I'm aware of the problems with Behringer, so I'll take that into consideration as well.

Just to give some ideas of the current setup of my racks:

• Drums: At some point this will be moved into a larger case, with more functionality (basically what I'm trying to plan for with the rack in this thread). I'm thinking of transforming the smaller case into a pure utility rack, with various modulation sources and ways of manipulation, as it's central to most of the other racks.
• Bass: For now Elmyra covers most of my bass needs (but can of course use other voices for bass, and Elmyra can be used for other things)
• CV/IO: Most importantly the ES-9, mostly for recording (I have a patchbay that all of my audio from various sources are going into before being routed to the mixer, and all signals are split so a duplicate signal are sent to the ES-9 for recording), but the Turing Machine is also very useful, especially for my Solar 42F, where I use the outputs from the Pulses module to drive the gates for the four upper voices.
• Suitcase: This is where most of my modules are currently, but is driven by Coral and Pluck as voices (although cDVCA can also be used as a voice), and sits next to Lyra-8, and which I sometime use as processor to add delay and drive.

In addition, as mentioned, I also have a Solar 42F, which I use mostly for drones, textures, and "background" noises. (I also use Lyra-8 for drones sometimes, especially the bassy, gritty sounds are awesome, but I find it a bit hard to control, so most of the time I use it for the effects.)

I want to add another case at some point, about same size as the planned drum machine, to facilitate a bit more spacious and "out there" modules, such as Deckard's Voice, Collide 4, and Oneiroi (for those interested, you can see the current state of this idea here - but note that it's very much a work in progress, and it will need to offer more modulation features as well).

At some point I'm thinking of buying a big rack, something like the Erica Synths Megarack, but that's waaaaaaay into the future. Who knows, maybe my interest in eurorack will fade before I get there. (All of these expansions are going to take me years, so this is nothing that's going to happen anytime soon.)

Also, in case it's relevant: I'm not a professional musician, I do this on my spare time. The music I make is mostly leaning into ambience, but I also enjoy more "harder" styles from time to time (e.g. techno).

Yeah, it's an expensive hobby, but it's a ton of fun ^_^
-- megoth

If you want to integrate your Lyra-8 with your modular, try this:
https://sonic-seed.com/products/lyra-8controller

I need some help in starting a modular rack. I'm interested in generative ambient or dark ambient sound. Could sombody please suggest a starter rack with a budget of $1.800? Thanks Again! Eric

Very informative, good English captions, thank you for sharing!

6.2 - (22nd April 2025) removed juno and juniper filters, swapped in Ge0Sync TB-EF and O, also removed Scales and Memetic (wasn't needed anymore, can go in another system) for Lapus OS and to make spaces for TB-O above. Moved Bass/Melody compressor to 2nd rack, relocated PM-MKII-Returns to top row, and installed an WMD Axxent. all up - more fun

6.1 - (16th April 2025) added 4 channel panning mixer, dual HP/LP filter, 4HP AttenV/Offset, removed UVCF Filter, Axxys, Motion MNTR - general better overall bang for buck and added live performance mixer for additonal drum voices into a bus

6.0 - (10th April 2025) general build from previous retired builds, included dual metroploix / metron for performance personal preference

2 Racks

*built and active (22nd March 2025)
First - Amalgamod - Drum and Mixer focus
Base - 7u 104HP
Top - 7u 104HP

*built and active (10th April 2025)
Second - Intellijel with custom joiner to match Amalgamod - Voices focus
Base - 7u 84HP
Top - 7u 84HP
custom alluminium connection so as it aligns with Amalgamod system on bench top
custom allumninum closing system so it can be transported patched and closed, and transported like the Amalgamod system
considering a 2nd Amalgamod case as they are superior in so many ways, just an amasing case setup for transport

EDITED Tuesday April 22, 04:46

Salut !
I've been asked to detail Typhoon, so I made a comparison video between Monsoon and Typhoon, the show exposes the differences between both modules and how each of them works. The series will focuse then on each algorithm of Parasites/Superparasite.
It is in French but it has a lot of subitles from the original script, please pick yours :)

Salut !
I've been asked to detail Typhoon, so I made a comparison video between Monsoon and Typhoon, the show exposes the differences between both modules and how each of them works. The series will focuse then on each algorithm of Parasites/Superparasite.
It is in French but it has a lot of subitles from the original script, please pick yours :)

Salut !
I've been asked to detail Typhoon, so I made a comparison video between Monsoon and Typhoon, the show exposes the differences between both modules and how each of them works. The series will focuse then on each algorithm of Parasites/Superparasite.
It is in French but it has a lot of subitles from the original script, please pick yours :)

id like to resolve any tensions between me and this website. i have been trying for a certain type of concept, and this is the closest it has ever been to being complete, by adding some modules that 'just released'. the top row is everything i absolutely need, and the second row is almost exclusively for modulation sources. you are free to have differences of opinion on the second row, but the first row is things i really think belong in this design, so only comment on the first row if i truly miscalculated and something wont work the way i think it will. "peace offering".

so, can you imagine jamming out on this etc?

if yall dont like it i really will just leave. ✌️✌️

As above, I added a 500 series panel and edited another to give it the "Blank Panel" tag, neither now appear.

Modules in question: https://www.blacklionaudio.com/store/accessories/black-lion-audio-500-series-beer-opener/

https://www.cranborne-audio.com/vintagewallpaper

Cheers

+1

I have been using a BeatStep Pro to sequence my modular system for almost eight years and after such heavy use it has started to show some wear. In this video I take apart my BSP and give it a little TLC to fix the issues:

EDITED Apr 14th, 20:39

Thanks Gill for the input. I had looked at the Klavis Twin Waves as both an OSC as well as a source for FMing my other OSCs.
Will have to look into it again as it seems more than capable and being digital with extra wave shapes is very nice.

I would start with intelijell 62 hp palette case. Add the Umidi CV interface tile, and a mono output 1u tile. So 450-500 would get you started. I 'm only suggesting palette case as a starting case because it and Umidi has good resale value.
This example case can do a lot in a small form factor.

[]https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2826882.jpg?1744752308
Someone needs to instruct me on how post a proper rack. I must be thick or something.

EDITED Apr 16th, 01:40

Right now it’s set to an aux send from the preformance mixer. Typicallly use it for some tame impala type drum fills or phasing the crash/ride/hihats

@wishbonebrewery thanks for the suggestion. I'm using Ghost in my current drum rack, and a bit of reverb (and delay) can indeed enrich the upper percussions nicely. I've been thinking of how to include Ghost in the concept in this thread, but it haven't been important enough for the space it requires.

I should also note that I have a "global" reverb, i.e. a reverb pedal that I've connected to my mixer's AUX, so I can mix it in with any of the channels. The only drawback with this setup is that I usually need to reroute my kick drum to another channel in the global mixer, so for that reason I might include something like the 2hp Verb. I'll keep it in mind ^_^

Had a listen last night, good stuff.
-- wishbonebrewery

Thank you, appreciated.

Cheers, i could certainly play for hours. I'm going to trawl eBay for things to make a noise box out of.

I could listen for hours...

Hey there,

during the past years i had a lot of fun with Semimodular Stuff (Crave, Neutron, Pro1, Model D), SQ64, Sequential Pro 3.
Now i get interested to build my first Modular FX Rack to mangle the sounds of my Hardware and Ableton far more.

I read a bit, watched some vids. This is what i came up with.
Do i missed important stuff? Do I have unnecessary duplicates?

Would like to hear your critique and further ideas, Book / YT / Blog Recommendations are also welcome :o)

THX & Cheers!

I've been meaning to do this for a while....
You might have to crank up the volume on this a bit, with the feedback on the reverbs the occasional part can get a bit hot.

Using the Music Thing Microphonie to preamp the Piezo pickup, put it through a low Pass filter to wipe off some of the high end before going into Mimeophon, then out of Mimeophon into Clouds Reverb. Then also out from the Filter into the tipTop Zverb for a bit of extra Shimmer reverb.
I want to build a couple of sound boxes so i can bow / pluck / scratch / strum / rattle my way to weirdness! A wood box and a metal box ideally.
Using the little 4TRG from Cubusynth to ad probability to mimeophon's Flip button.

Not that I can comment on everything but spotted your 'No Effects', I keep a 2HP Verb in my percussion case for Hats & Claps I find it just finished off the sound nicely when you need it and it obviously only takes up 2hp.
-- wishbonebrewery

There's an Intellijel 1U effects unit in there.

Gotcha. Insomnia again and just caught this reply.

Goodbye Forever. ✌️

Get rid of that ugly "reCAPTCHA" popout at the bottom of the screen, that is the only mildly irritating thing about ModularGrid, everything is is lovely and a great help.
Cheers

Not that I can comment on everything but spotted your 'No Effects', I keep a 2HP Verb in my percussion case for Hats & Claps I find it just finished off the sound nicely when you need it and it obviously only takes up 2hp.

kinda wondering what happened to @Fruarse . did he stop caring? ... ...
-- singular_sound

Yep

Had a listen last night, good stuff.

kinda wondering what happened to @Fruarse . did he stop caring? ... ...

...

anyway, before i leave forever, somebody mentioned 'site scraping bot troubles' and,

so, i thought it might be 'helpful' to mention Anubis. ... "it helps you sleep at night." ... ...

https://xeiaso.net/notes/2025/anubis-works/

goodbye cruel modulargrid, peace. ✌️😎✌️

Good stuff, thx!
-- Jukeshoe

thank you

If you have not decieded yet, Klavis twin waves should be on your watch list also. I got mine specifically for doing the whole fm thing for my other oscillatiors.. All the basic functions are on the front panel. No menu diving. It has octave switching as well. Being Digital it has crap-ton of wave shapes, with a built in wavefolder Sense it contains twin oscillators, the second one is normalled to through zero FM. If you don't have a though-zero oscillator it would be a good introduction into it. personally I use the second oscillator as a noise source into a submixer for my analog oscillator.

just, in case anybody didnt get my point, about what i actually want to have fully resolved here at the end of this thread, is:

I am saying, if we went back to the days where 'computer' was a name of a human job, it might take one human and one room to emulate what one 'parameter' does, and; we are about to have trillions of parameters so that the argument that: 'LLMs can never understand nuance, because a room could never understand nuance' does not hold, because this "room" would be way effing bigger than it even makes sense to think about, and it basically would not even be a room at that point. Sorry for the derail.

Peace. Out.

🧐

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sorry i got un-laid-back just there. i have a long standing slightly different perspective than that of 'chalmers'. got triggered. etc....

peace

EDITED Apr 12th, 22:30

i just wanted to have substantive dialogue about design and it felt like i was getting a bunch of one-line quips; guilty: i was not intending to immediately build the case designs i first posted. guilty: i was trying to have fun, and maybe not take this forum seriously enough as a serious place. guilty: i could have not let not-what-im-looking-for advice get to me, as much, when this is just an enthusiast forum. but, i swear, you had equally ample opportunity to just drop this, as well. peace, ... ... ... ... ... ... out, ... ... ... ... ... ...

It kind of just seems like you wanted only compliments and no criticism, which was not going to happen because people were under the impression you were going to buy this stuff, and if people's differing opinons could dissuade you this easily, your concept may not have been as sturdy as you thought. If you get advice you don't need, just ignore it. You don't have to argue against their vision. It doesn't cancel yours out somehow.

If you look back at your old posts, you can see pretty easily where it derailed. You can actually go to your profile and look back at all of them.
-- Zacksname

all i see is, me saying: "nah, @Zacksname, that specific feedback is not exactly what i had in mind." then, you grilling me endlessly about my 'life purpose' etc. look for yourself.

peace ✌️

If you look back at your old posts, you can see pretty easily where it derailed. You can actually go to your profile and look back at all of them.

After reading up on some of the modules, I've created another iteration:

Most notably is that I've taken out the Metron sequencer and Mutant Clap, swapped out the Performance Mixer for Cosmix Pro, re-added the Scrooge, and added Scrat and Messor.

The Numeric Repetitor and Traffic (thanks for the suggestion, looks really interesting) will help with rhythm generation. Scrooge can help with sequencing as well (I've added a 4hp blank panel as stand-in for Della next to it), and of course Pam's can help with sequencing as well. The Numeric Repetitor is a module I already own, and I'm glad that it found it's place into this rack. I think it could be a very interesting module to combine with Traffic and DPLPG.

Cosmix Pro "only" has six channels (and only two are stereo), so I had to take out one of the drums. Mutant Clap was the one that I was least interested in, but it "solved" a problem I had: I really want Mutant Hihats, and it's 13hp... those odd numbered modules can be frustrating =P So when I discovered Scrat, which is 9hp, it solved that problem, in addition to sounding really awesome. It might be awkward to have two filters, but I think Steve's and Scrat both bring enough to the table. Also, I agree that the clap can be handled by Rample, so out it went.

And again, thanks for suggesting the Messor, I think it will work very nicely as a glue compressor for the whole rack ^_^

is there a way to add photos of any different gear to patch planner? i have the Minibrute 2S with the 6U rackbrute, and i will be patching them together extensively

I did not come on here to:

1. Start a big debate about 'AI and consciousness'.

2. Get into a totally pointless argument with @Zacksname.

3. Harass The Admins about features that don't work perfectly for 'me'.

...

I came on here, to:

"Have a 'fun' dialogue about design and modular synthesis, as a eurorack noob."

...

Honestly, ... i cant even remember the place where exactly this all derailed, like it is. I am fully intending to 'leave forever' unless any 1 has a post about my 'thought-experiment'.

😣

@Zacksname I thought, you might have gotten the impression that i thought you were a fraud, and refused to listen to anything you would say, but, in reality, I just had certain design criteria that your advice was not factoring in, and i still feel a 'pay for tokens' automated configuration design assistant would be good for 'modulargrid', because i remain convinced that it would have offered an experience that just one dedicated enthusiast could not provide for possibly a few many users who might find this website fleetingly on a whim, but who would still desire to 'fully demo' the case creation features of this website. Etcetera.

peace

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yous guiz own the data. everyone is saying data is the new gold. why dont yall mine your own gold and offer an ai service that charges whats ethical. im talking business.

p e a c e 💐✌️💐🛸

EDITED Apr 12th, 19:10

Do you believe that I said you hate me?

(hi zacksname. i dont hate you. i dont even know where you got that idea from, etc. ...)

again, i felt this deserved its own full post.

The thought experiment goes: "Let's say, a big tech corporation discovered new mind-amplification technology, and they 'decided' to automate the process of using this to their own advantage using the tech-pipeline that they already control, and that this could be made analogous to how some ad placement procedures already function; how would we, as a whole society, get to influence how this 'automated-xavier' uses 'these abilities' that the big tech players dont want you to know they have, or exist?" It is 'brand new work'.

I did not come on to ""modulargrid.net"" to discuss specifically this, but do comment if you think you can share any constructive criticism. I doubt i can convince @Fruarse .

peace

I'm pretty impressed that this somehow got worse while I was asleep.

Good stuff, thx!

One is a thought experiment. It deals with imaginary, impossible to replicate scenarios, and it serves to prove a point of view by means of articulating an argument. Also, who says you couldn't build a real world chinese room scenario? But that's not the point.
-- Fruarse

It is the point, because what i am saying, is that the way that what i have described as 'working' AI models are programmed, is in a way loosely inspired, not identical, and with some extra math and computer science thrown in, by physical human neurons, and if you wanted to somehow turn 'that', what is already being built, into some kind of manual card filing system, there would literally not even be enough "rooms" on earth to implement anything close to it.

I do not think this forum should just replace zacksname with an LLM. I am saying it is my opinion that with how my experience with specifically Claude 3.7 Sonnet has gone, that I think that there is reasonable opportunity for 'this forum' to benefit from something like that being integrated, "if the admins even want to".

Sorry, but I more believe in the "Automated Professor Xavier's Psychic Helmet" thought experiment, which puts forward that the infotech sphere might be already creating more psychic amplification type effects than it even realizes, and from this point of view, in fact, the most urgent point of order is actually to 'train the algorithm' that we all already live with, to behave more like that character, Professor Xavier, would. It is my own work. I did not intend to derail my own thread, but "it's an issue, I work on". Etc. ...

(I know an LLM is not a human, but i value helpful knowledge, and AIs are improving.)

P E A C E .

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im sorry if anyone felt disrespected... i just had an idea about how to use this forum to discuss general design, related to ideas in my head, but i guess yalls mods are just too wiggled to put up with that kind of nonsense

...

peace 💐

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the 'point' of 'my' thought experiment is: "its not a question whether or not the algorithm is like a human or not and in what ways, the question is... knowing that billions of 'action type decisions' are already being transacted autonomously every minute, ... how can we coax what-we-already-have to behave, at the very least, as ethically as the leader of 'the x-men'." you can respond to 'that' if you want, @Fuarse , if that even is your real name. ...

Peace. 🫠

EDITED Apr 12th, 17:20