Thanks @greenfly, that makes a lot of sense!

Wow Wave Swarm looks cool, but why no CV control 🤔🤔🤔

HI Nick,

The grey ones are clones of the Roland system 100

The black one are clones of the Moog system 55

The silver ones are clones of the arp 2500

I have a few of the Roland and Moog ones. The build quality is fantastic and having used them, my experience is not on par with the anti - Behringer backlash you tend to hear from I guess I'll call those peeople purists. Each to there own though, the prices are fantastic so there are no complaints from me on that front. I pair my Behringer filter with the Intellijel rubicon 2 as there are 3 inputs on each filter and 3 modulation sources per filter as well as two outs per filter. The only thing I'd say is the hpf settings are a bit severe for my taste and really thin out the sound so I tend to not use those but as I understand they are advertised as 'faithful to the original' remakes.

regards

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If I can ask a couple dumb questions:

-- what are the Behringer units clones of? Moog, ARP, others?
-- are the Behringer units good enough quality to merit purchase?

While I follow a lot of music tech, I've basically ignored the Behringer stuff because my sales guy at a US retailer you'd know has said the Behringer hardware has quality issues and he won't sell it to me (given my normal preferences for enduring quality). Is this off base? Is the Behringer Eurorack stuff solid or even great?

Yes it would be a lot of fun to have an "impossible in the olden days meeting of classics" rack like Lugia's above. Sigh, more $s...

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That looks great Lugia. I'll definitely be buying those Buchla clones, they look awesome.

I have the Behringer filters from Roland in my main rack which are awesome and the dual ADSR is great too with the inverted envelope, which comes in very handy for side chain. Just a note on the adsr's though, the travel on each slider is a bit strange in that if you want to make a pluck you have to set them really low. I'm not sure if the original Roland ones had the same behaviour.

But it can...

Notice: this thing contains numerous modules that, back in the day, would NOT talk to each other or play nicely in the same cab. Voicing is on the upper two rows, control on the lower two. But you'd never have put Moog or ARP modules in the same build with the Buchla modules. And adding the Roland clones opens things up even more, along with a few modules from other manufacturers. In actuality, this turned out to be a pretty potent build, and I'm going to file this one for future reference. Plus, by the time I get around to building this, I'll probably have to change it, as Tiptop's stated that there WILL be further Buchla/Tiptop modules on the way.

And yes, a cassette deck is another source in this system...albeit a twisted sort of cassette deck with a chopper circuit and CV over speed.

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Thanks @farkas!

-- Chainsaw is something I've known about, but stayed away from, because I'm not just interested in supersaw/supersquare, but more interested in superXYZ where I could take ANY waveform and give it stack unison detune spread treatment

-- AJH Wave Swarm looks like maybe something I will end up getting. From what I've read so far, it seems similar to Ladik Animator except WaveSwarm has more control and 2 channels in one unit. Great suggestion!!! I'm going to dig into that one's lit/vids more!

-- I have to say, Ladik Animator at only ~$100 bucks is something I might just try BUT the 8hp not crazy deep units are out of stock and only the 4HP crazy deep units are available. Those 4HP units measure 125mm/4.9" deep which is more than my Doepfer case can take at its deepest (4.5"). BUT if anyone has and loves these Ladik units maybe I would try to get the 8hp (less deep) ones when available...

Any other ideas / comments? Thanks!

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Self driving drone with a voice over of a psychologist examining a schizophrenic. I see that Halloween decorations went up middle of September, which seems a bit early, but I can groove with that.

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Really inspiring – ace job!

I got a good laugh out of this, well done @modulagrid 🤣🤣🤣
-- troux

We have to protect the mainframe!

I got a good laugh out of this, well done @modulagrid 🤣🤣🤣

I love any dub experiments with Eurorack, great example:)

one of my latest uploads and my first post here...hope you like it:)

Patch Notes:
- DFAM is used as Main Clock
- 4 Voices from Subharmonicon are going through Doepfers sequential switch into the external input of DFAM
- DFAMs velocity output controls the steps of Doepfers sequential switch
- Subharmonicon is going to Koma Elektronik Field Kit FX for slightly distortion and some delay
- Cre8audios Chips is sending a LFO (more like S&H) to the filters of Subharmonicon, Crave and Ripples (which is used for Plaits)
- Crave is running an arpeggiator, oscillator frequency is detuned with internal LFO
- Plaits receives some random notes from Pamela’s New Workout
- Volca Keys plays a chord only on step one, so it's a kind of a loop
- Boss RE20 and RV6 used as send effects

Hey,

I want to control my eurorack with my OPZ. I have a NiftyCase with MI Plaits and MI Rings. Sequencing one of the two modules is not a problem. But is it possible to sequence both modules on different tracks on the OPZ? I mean controlling both separately from each other with two different sequences?

Thanks in advance

I think this time we had luck. Preparing for Theos next move ...

What was hacked? I don't feel as if I've been interfered with..... Maybe it was just a wardrobe malFunkshon and my arse was out?

alert(”hacked by theo”)
-- Theo67204

all systems on full alert: engage countermeasures to intercept evil haxor theo!

at the end makes most sense - "if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it!!" kind of idea - hopefully all 'commercial' modules will then get a price tag and those that don't might be "Dave's homebrew triple vca with built in coffee maker, or whatever" which no one but Dave cares about...

alert(”hacked by theo”)

Nice, thanks for the patch break down @wishbonebrewery!

Sorting by price

Sorting by price works better now and should return results you actually would expect.

You all got it right, the price sort function was broken since the beginning of MG times.
The problem is, that modules can have USD and EUR prices, just USD, just EUR or neither. These prices are stored in different table columns. On the website it was trivial to calculate the missing currency from the currency that was there but I did not get the sorting right on SQL level, e.g. calculate all the missing prices within the sort option.
I have now found a way that should improve the situation with one caveat: modules without a price do not show up when sorting by price. If I would include them, all modules without a price (price == null) would be at the beginning of the search result which might be confusing? Do you think that makes sense or should they be appended to the end of the search result?

All I want is to filter for functions (or maybe other things) and then get a list with modules starting at the lowest price.

I hope that is working better now!

this is one of the better outcomes of Waver that i have heard. i picked one up myself feeling really excited over the idea of it, but i’ll admit to not really gelling with it yet. haven’t given up on it, but i don’t feel that i ever really love what i am able to get out of it so far.

any advice? tips?
-- bigham

Try Feedback. Try inputting modulation instead of sound in A IN and C IN

i have a squarp hermod for sale im not using its a powerfull eurorack sequencer

yeah - same experience here - when I had a button fail... brilliant customer service...

by original I meant built by mutable - ie not a clone...
-- JimHowell1970

i tried sending mutable support a email.

and wow that was fast costumer service,already 2 minutes after i got a email saying that i could send the module back to her,and she would take a look:)

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Hello, if you are post processing this plugin is great to add sub to your music if its lacking - its on sale for £39.99 and you can get £20 off with a voucher from them.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/unfiltered_audio_bass_mint.html
-- greenfly

my goal is to get a fat sub in the modular itself without a lot of post processing,but thanks for the advice

Hello, if you are post processing this plugin is great to add sub to your music if its lacking - its on sale for £39.99 and you can get £20 off with a voucher from them.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/unfiltered_audio_bass_mint.html

Thanks for putting so much effort into this @GarfieldModular. I read the full report for the SEM and listened to the sound examples. I have been interested in this filter since I first discovered eurorack. I'll definitely add this filter to my collection before the end of the year. The Moog Ladder Filter and the SEM are exactly what I consider perfect examples of what a synth should sound like.
Thanks again for all of your work.

AJH Wave Swarm?
The Acid Rain Chainsaw would be an oscillator solution that covers the detuned supersaw or supersquare very well.

EDITED Sep 29th 2021, 08:01

Hi! the power specs just got added.
I like to use the matrix for send fx just like wishbonebrewery, but also for feedback loops.. good fun :)

Thanks :)
Its the PatchingPanda Punch is kinda plucking the sound resonating from a Omsonic FLF (Funky Ladder Filter) with triggers from the Befaco Burst and looping in MakeNoise Mimeophon, playing with the mode and Skew is ON and Flip is ON some of the time, and there is some subtle variation of the filter cut-off using one of the Pitch outs from Marbles.
Befaco Burst is prefect for the triggers because you can set probability that the triggers are likely to fire so that makes it sound more natural, I found interesting results varying the mode on Mimeophon with anything from quite a tight delay to more expansive repeats and looping all seem to work well or make for variety, I also have a bit of subtle CV hitting the Rate control.
The envelope from Punch is also sweeping the filter cut-off.

Another thing, too, deals with how MG handles currency conversion. You have the option for putting in prices in EUR or USD on the module edit page, but the conversion routine places its work in a wholly different order. Same thing happens when MG only sees USD as a price, and then has to convert those to EUR, with the same sort of ordering result. Apparently there's not much to do about it, either, since this is necessary; some European modules cost more in the USA, and vice versa.

There's also quite a few EG+VCA combo modules that would be ideal for this purpose. Or perhaps using something simpler would do the trick, since we're talking percussion here and not something that requires a gate. You might consider Doepfer's A-142-4, which is a quad decay (Schmitt trigger, more or less) with a very fast fixed attack and ONLY decay as a parameter. Given that the rise on those is immediate, then all you'd be doing there is adjusting the "ring time". The A-142-4 can be dialed down to as short a decay as 20 msec or up to 2 seconds max. The factory setting on the attack time (3 msec) can also be adjusted via a trim pot on the board.

Hi folks,

A favorite sound of mine from vsts is unison stack detune with stereo spread. "Supersaw" is the most common version of this, but it can be done with many waveshapes.

How to do this in Eurorack? Lets say I've got a great timbre out of DPO (or ANY OSC) and I want to give that the thick fat wide supersaw stack detune spread sound?

Ladik Animator strikes me as a possibility but: might need 2 modules, no controls on it to tailor the sound, and wouldn't handle spatial spread. But worth considering ...

[edit, added] I should say, I'm still trying to figure out how to do unison stack detune with stereo spread for ANY waveform weather it originates in eurorack or DAW. So if you have VST-based suggestions I could add to a chain to "superX anything" I'm interested!

[edit, added] Last, I must add (if only for my benefit) yes this stack/detune/spread idea is somewhat similar to chorus, but not exactly. VSTs like Serum, Zebra2, Icarus2 give the ability to make almost any waveform into a "superX" version with stack unison detune and stereo spread. There you can control: # of unison voices, amount of detune, amount of stereo spread, level balance between original and added waves. I find these controls give me a LOT more control over a tone (vs. a chorus) and let me get a sound that has more density, more power, and more control of stereo spread than a normal chorus. Which is to say, yes I like chorus quite a lot, but IMO chorus is not a substitute for a good unison stack detune spread function.

... SO, any ideas? Module and patch suggestions and or VST suggestions appreciated!

Thanks, Nicholas

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Superb textures here @wishbonebrewery, I'd love some detailed patch notes on the bird sounds!

Glad my comments were of some use to you!

Hello Plragde, hello All,

Plragde: Thank you very much again for your previous feedback. Regarding splitting the document into several parts, I have given that some thoughts and came up with the idea to keep the contents the same in the review report however I have removed the appendices from the review reports and created a separate document for the appendices for those who want to read the rest :-)

Your idea of adding a change log, I have adapted that as well, appendix C in that separate document that is available here for download:

https://garfieldmodular.net/index.php/other-documents/

All: The new style review reports will be, instead of just under 70 pages previously, nowadays just under 30 pages. Still a lot but at least less than half of what it had been before. For those who still don't like to read so much, just read chapter 2 that should do it.

The first new "style" review report, is the above-mentioned SEM filter report from Doepfer about the A-106-5.

Thank you very much, have a nice day and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Farkas,

The Doepfer A-106-5 SE SEM filter review report is ready for download:

https://garfieldmodular.net/index.php/doepfer/doepfer-a-106-5-se-sem-filter/

In chapter 6 you can find two links to Soundcloud for some demos of this SEM filter.

I hope you will like the A-106-5 as much as I do :-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Bleepadelic,

Always interesting to listen at your self driving patches/jams and amazing at the very same time!

Slightly bit "dark" this one, isn't it ;-) Perhaps Elon Musk will use your music for his next promotion video, that would be fun! :-) Thanks a lot for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Ryan,

You are welcome :-)

Ha, ha, no worries and you don't need to trouble yourself to just please me, I am just providing feedback on how I see things, which doesn't mean that's necessarily correct.

Of course if you like to record a nice (long) dub track I wouldn't mind that at all! I don't mind indeed a bit longer tracks however 3 hours is even for my understanding a "bit" too much ;-)

Thank you very much for your kind words and kind regards, Garfield.

Think the ES-9 will be best for me to pick up ASAP then and that will also grant some utility with the 8 outs.

not utility (at least in the sense of utility modules in modular) - more functionality! think of utilities like plumbing...

I actually was looking at links and kinks before I took to here to ask advice. Also I've never used a matrix mixer, but definitely seems interesting. Think I will go ahead and make those purchases!
Maths I went back and forth with as I've seen its popularity as a beginner module and seems like I wouldnt have trouble reselling it if I ever wanted to. So I will go ahead and make that a priority as well.

make sure you get the illustrated manual - it's an online pdf and not from make noise! and full of patch ideas!!!

Think thats enough to help steer me in the right direction and make some choices ensuring I have a well rounded setup. I'm going to update my rack on here and I'm sure I'll be posting again asking for some patch ideas, or scouring the forums for them as well.

more than enough to be going on with for a good while!!

Really appreciate your feedback and hope your move goes well! I'm currently transitioning into a 5th wheel camper full time, so I'm about in the same boat lol All which supports me finally making the move into modular :)

-- amindy

thanks - you too!

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if you are thinking of getting an es9 - I would say get that as it doesn't need any modular -> line level converters - it's a modular interface - might save you some money in the long run + you can integrate with vcv rack to have a play with different types of module etc
I usually recommend a starter kit of links, kinks, shades and veils - or other modules that satisfy the same functions - kinks is discontinued - so buy it if you can find it asap - other wise the wmd/ssf toolbox is a good substitute, you've got an intelijel quad vca - so that's close enough to veils - links is a buffered mult/mixer combination - 1 section of each and a middle section that can be used as either or a precision adder - which is used for adding 2 quantized sequences together for transposing one sequence with the other (ie change the root note)

I also really like matrix mixers - slightly more complicated to get your head around but not that bad - really useful for mixing modulation sources together - or creating feedback loops - or send/return for effects

Which brings me to - you could really do with a better modulation source - ochd is ok but it's not clockable and there's no reset - so it's just free running - I'd also contemplate this as an early purchase - I really like Maths especially for beginners because of the 'Maths Illustrated Supplement' (google) - which is an excellent primer for patch-programming - and patching modular synths in general - download and read through it even if you don't buy Maths!!! alternatively something like Pamela's New Workout - which is basically a clock source, with clock division multiplication and different waveforms so you can open your vcas!!!

-- JimHowell1970

No Offense taken! I'm sure you get tired of saying the same thing over again lol
Think the ES-9 will be best for me to pick up ASAP then and that will also grant some utility with the 8 outs.
I actually was looking at links and kinks before I took to here to ask advice. Also I've never used a matrix mixer, but definitely seems interesting. Think I will go ahead and make those purchases!
Maths I went back and forth with as I've seen its popularity as a beginner module and seems like I wouldnt have trouble reselling it if I ever wanted to. So I will go ahead and make that a priority as well.

Think thats enough to help steer me in the right direction and make some choices ensuring I have a well rounded setup. I'm going to update my rack on here and I'm sure I'll be posting again asking for some patch ideas, or scouring the forums for them as well.

Really appreciate your feedback and hope your move goes well! I'm currently transitioning into a 5th wheel camper full time, so I'm about in the same boat lol All which supports me finally making the move into modular :)

Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?

if you are thinking of getting an es9 - I would say get that as it doesn't need any modular -> line level converters - it's a modular interface - might save you some money in the long run + you can integrate with vcv rack to have a play with different types of module etc

JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.

As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.

Thanks again for your help!
-- amindy

yeah - between jobs at the moment and moving house internationally - furniture arrives Friday!!!

currently have synth & computer plus a bed 2 chairs and a table and that's about it!!!

so please don't take any offence - I kind of get tired of typing the same thing again and again and again...

BUT anyway - utilities - the plumbing of modular

I usually recommend a starter kit of links, kinks, shades and veils - or other modules that satisfy the same functions - kinks is discontinued - so buy it if you can find it asap - other wise the wmd/ssf toolbox is a good substitute, you've got an intelijel quad vca - so that's close enough to veils - links is a buffered mult/mixer combination - 1 section of each and a middle section that can be used as either or a precision adder - which is used for adding 2 quantized sequences together for transposing one sequence with the other (ie change the root note)

I also really like matrix mixers - slightly more complicated to get your head around but not that bad - really useful for mixing modulation sources together - or creating feedback loops - or send/return for effects

Which brings me to - you could really do with a better modulation source - ochd is ok but it's not clockable and there's no reset - so it's just free running - I'd also contemplate this as an early purchase - I really like Maths especially for beginners because of the 'Maths Illustrated Supplement' (google) - which is an excellent primer for patch-programming - and patching modular synths in general - download and read through it even if you don't buy Maths!!! alternatively something like Pamela's New Workout - which is basically a clock source, with clock division multiplication and different waveforms so you can open your vcas!!!

VIEW THE RACK BEGINNINGS

(Eventually will be moving the Model D as the rack fills up)

Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?

JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.

As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.

Thanks again for your help!
-- amindy

Well, the Intellijel uJacks is exactly what I'm talking about. There are two line-level outputs on it. So that's good. As far as keeping it simple, almost any MIDI to CV converter will work. I have the FH2, which is probably a bit of overkill after reading your follow-up. The Intellijel uMIDI looks pretty tasty to fit in your Brute Rack.

I'm currently using my AI Modular Matrix Mixer as a pre-mixer of 4 inputs then sent to 2 outputs, so i can send bits of audio to either Monsoon Clouds or Mimeophon, I think this is kind of the arse-backwards way of Effects Sends on a Mixer.
They are also great for mashing up modulation sources.

VIEW THE RACK BEGINNINGS

(Eventually will be moving the Model D as the rack fills up)

Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?

JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.

As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.

Thanks again for your help!

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