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@ROSELJR just wants views on her poorly written and outdated article and has no idea what a modular synth could possibly be - as indicated by the absence of any build on her profile. She may one day realize that spending time on getting a few views on a blog article isn't worth anything especially when manual work is involved to get those views, don't pay attention ;-)

I'm on an Apple device and haven't used the MS stuff for a while but from memory, ASIO4All allows the use of more than 1 audio interface on Windows, not sure if it's still the case...

The power consumption specs regarding the modules is crucial. When submitting a module, mandatory fields on this point would be useful.

I would love to have a way to assemble a case made out of several cases, so it really resembles the real-world situation.

For now I've simply created a huge case, but in real life, my case is made of a 3x3U 168hp + 2x1U 168hp base and then two 4x3U 84hp suitcases on top. Would be great if you could add multiple cases to one view, and drag them to a more or less real-life position.

(Also, with this, I'd solve my "wishlist" problem. For now I simply use the bottom rows of the huge case as a sort of wishlist, dragging the stuff to the top that's more on top of my wishlist and gradually dragging stuff down that's not entirely off my wishlist, bus has lower priority. With this, I could simply add a wishlist-case, or, as someone suggest, a case containing modules that are not in your real case anymore.)

Oh yeah I have the Angle Grinder and 100 Grit are pure mad fun and quite versatile as well. Schlappi is on par with Harvestman modules for industrial mayhem in modular.

I think I've come up with a better tile row configuration:

Lots of changes. First up, there's a 4-channel CV expander for the Temps Utile next to the...well, Temps Utile. The expander gives you four CV inputs to control the six channel sequencer which does...

"7 modes, selectable per channel:
- trigger sequencer/sequence editor
- clock division/multiplication
- LFSR
- random w/ threshold
- euclidian
- logic (AND, OR, XOR, NAND, NOR, XNOR)
- burst
- DAC (channel #4 only): random, binary, "Turing", logistic, sequencer/arpeggiator"

...which is a helluva lot more than the Steppy! Kicked that shiznit right OPEN! Then I swapped the Duatt for the triple attenuverter by Transient...same architecture, but MORE. ADSR EG is still there, swapped out the Mosaic VCA with Intellijel's, and then the Mosaic stereo out.

The addition of the T_u really opens up the timing and sequencing capabilities. Implement this row plan, and the build's game gets upped significantly.

All the best Lugia - and remember - no more high stress posts for you! Doctor's orders!

Sounds like a software issue, actually. If you've got some signal routing software (it should be SOMEwhere in Live), you should be able to override what the computer's insisting on. Might also be worth poking around KVR (https://www.kvraudio.com/) to see if they've got a solution there as well.

It's an interesting concept, but it's got issues where powering synths is concerned. The docs note the power in watts, from which I did some calculation, and all but the stronger (and more exotic) PoE versions would only be able to power more than a basic skiff. Also, whatever case would be connected would need power for the +12, -12, and 5V rails, which means there would be some loss due to the DC conversions necessary...on top of some inherent issues in some of the PoE formats where they also involve some current loss...such as 90 watts in the "supply" end, which equals a drop over the system of around 20 watts, leaving only 70-ish watts at the "business" end. And while 71 watts does equal 5196 mA (@ 12v), that would still have to be split by the synth's P/S into the three different DC rails, which equals further losses due to both conversion and thermal issues. In the end, those loss factors don't bode well.

Now, what I would much rather see is a DC supply that ties in with the synth's DC rails via Anderson PowerPole connectors, only utilizing a voltage converter in the cab for the voltage changes. ADDAC does something like this for their huge 1 meter cabs, although some of their designs still utilize a single DC input for the power supply to split, and Konstant Labs has a similar P/S chaining protocol (with Molex connectors). But if we can go to something like, say, THIS: https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/asr-rs-35a-ap ...well, given that it's a linear supply, it would be DEAD-quiet on the DC rails even with the necessary voltage conversion done inside the cab. And at 35 AMPS, loss factors stop being a problem. If we had something along THOSE lines serving as a single DC source, and the voltage conversion wasn't current-limited at a low level, that's where we should go, I think. Plus, with the right voltage conversion, the external P/S could be the determinant on maximum deliverable current, and NOT an internal supply. This would also reduce in-case heat factors, too.

EDITED Dec 15th 2021, 03:27

See Tiptop's Superbooth video here:

It's a quick overview of the upcoming six modules with some very convincing Buchla sounds in effect.

According to someone I checked with at Tiptop, these won't be the only ones. Their mission is to bring as many of the 200 series (the original, not the updated 200e modules) into production as possible and/or practical. But they also noted that neither they nor Buchla USA has all of Don's schematics, and sometimes he'd whip stuff together off the top of his head back in the Berkeley days. So some of these first version 200 modules are actually lost, unless they can reverse-engineer them from the devices themselves. Also, it's worth noting that NONE of these will have banana jacks, so the best substitute there would be stackcables, plus it's probably worthwhile to add a buffered mult or two for the 258ts.

The ones I'm jonesin' for are these: the 291 dual BPF, the 285 frequency shifter, the 227 delay, the 248 MARF, the 227 system interface (it's huge...but as synth mixers go, it's effin' amazing), the 281 Quad FG, the 206 submixer, and the 275 EQ/reverb. If we can get all or most of those...then Tiptop and Buchla have done their job right.

EDIT: And yeah, sacguy...that's one point I think people are missing here. The current situation has NUMEROUS West Coast modules, and these Tiptop ones, tossed together with some Random*Source and/or Elby Serge clones, some of Make Noise's modules, Mark Verbos' Buchla clone/upgrades, etc etc...these give us ALL of the artillery to create a rip-yer-brain-out-level West Coast system. Also, you couldn't really put these into the same cab...the Serge stuff was/is on multimodule panels, for example. Personally, this exact situation is one I've hoped for for many years!

EDITED Dec 15th 2021, 03:00

Hard to find details but these look promising as my dream of next case would be a mix of these affordable Buchla modules with Serge Random source ones.

hello,
i'm looking to get some feedback on the soon-to-be-released(?) tiptop buchla modules. i'm ready to make a significant investment on these modules, i.e. doepfer LCB100 case, and i'm wondering if they will be released on time - winter 2021 is already upon us, and if you believe the entire group of 6 modules will be released by 2022 at the prices indicated by TipTop? (i can't see some of these modules going for $200 u.s. or less!) i would also like to have some better audio/video/youtube samples to base my decision on. any thoughts would be appreciated before i invest in that doepfer case ($659 cdn these days!) thanks.

EDITED Dec 15th 2021, 04:27

The ES compatibility list shows the 2i4 as being suitable, and since the preamp topology is the same across that series, the 8i6 should be fine. However, I wouldn't use the SPDIF I/O. Instead, see if your DAW can recognize both interfaces, with the 828 on FW400 and the 8i6 via USB. Most present-day DAWs should be able to cope.
-- Lugia

Unfortunately, on Ableton/Windows I think it can only see one interface. I was using the Focusrite just for MIDI for a while but whenever I turn on the Focusrite, it takes control of my audio like a beotch. Interestingly, my TR-8S shows up as audio interface option as well...

EDITED Dec 15th 2021, 01:43

The ES compatibility list shows the 2i4 as being suitable, and since the preamp topology is the same across that series, the 8i6 should be fine. However, I wouldn't use the SPDIF I/O. Instead, see if your DAW can recognize both interfaces, with the 828 on FW400 and the 8i6 via USB. Most present-day DAWs should be able to cope.

Glad to hear that you're ok! Lots of potential song titles in your last post: technetium-99, radioactive needle juice to name a couple...maybe with some cardiac ultrasound waveforms through Morphagene or Arbhar? ;)
-- jb61264

Actually, when they did the ultrasound, I noticed that there were some awesome stereo waveforms being generated by the ultrasound transducer's interactions with various body bits...and I checked and I think I can get those on a records disc from Carle Hospital's records department. I'll check on it in a few weeks...

Between them, TouellSkouarn, Moffenzeef, and one or two others...those all do wonderfully hideous-sounding stuff that SCREAMS "industrial" and/or "power electronics". And yeah, Schlappi's modules do "ear-wrenching" like a BOSS!

Not that mammoth, tbh. In actuality, you've actually started with the sort of case size many of us would recommend as a starter. The only thing I would point out is that when you start filling the case out, you need to watch your current draws, as you can quickly exceed that "3/4ths of the max" rule to prevent current inrush problems. Also, if you don't have a case yet, you could jettison the Row Power in favor of the built-in power on this: https://reverb.com/item/38606093-6u-eurorack-case-powered-120-or-126-hp-modular-synthesizer-patched-resealable Big, beefy Meanwells in these. Plus, many options AND portability, too!

Anybody much more well versed with audio interfaces than I am know if its possible for me to connect my MOTU 828 to my Focusrite 8i6 using SPDIF? I currently use my MOTU with Ableton Live (Windows) so I can use the DC Coupled ins/outs with my modular setup...been wondering if its possible to use my Focusrite as an 'extension' to it if I just want to have audio coming in say from an external synth (my now vintage Novation x-station..lol). I'm guessing not, but throwing it out to any experts who can confirm or deny :)

good news Lugia!!!

Coincidentally read that on her site earlier today. They do pop up now and then, I sometimes regret selling it.

Shame it can't record external CV/envelope/follow, or it would be smaller HP competition for Ephemere.
-- mntbighker

SDS Rit_M?

-- -TB-

Discontinued... maybe used

Had it installed 10 minutes, have not read the manual, LOVE this thing already. It's filthy ;-)

Glad to hear that you're ok! Lots of potential song titles in your last post: technetium-99, radioactive needle juice to name a couple...maybe with some cardiac ultrasound waveforms through Morphagene or Arbhar? ;)

I saw your updated skiff. I don't think MG has updated the JPG yet... but it has changed since your original post.

I own Maths. I like Maths. But at 20HP, that's a lot of space for this skiff. Also, as Luiga mentioned, that buffered mult is a nice-to-have. But it really won't make a difference for the size of this skiff. For this size of a rack, every HP is important. So how are you justifying the Maths and the buffered mults?

I also noticed the Duatt. Good choice. If you get rid of the buffered mult, you'd have room to add back in your Mosiac ADSR.

As always, just suggestions.

EDITED Dec 14th 2021, 18:02

Really dig it! Has a Danny Elfman feel to it.
-- Vow3ll

As soon as I read that, I was like totally. That sort of “kitchen sink” thing, if that’s what you mean. Glad you enjoyed it.

Adding as a new feature is a type of action 😏🤡

What's driving pitch in your sequences? Steppy handles triggers but not pitch. Noise Engineering offers a 4 channel 16 step CV sequencer by the name of Mimetic Digitalis that plays nicely with Steppy, but you're out of room.

Also, consider adding a small DC-coupled mixer like a 2HP Mix (check to see if the depth is okay for your rack). Mixing CV signals together is important, like combining LFOs and ENVELOPES...
-- Ronin1973

I can use the 1U VCA and ditch the micro vca to make room for Digitalis? Also, I can make use of Disting. I am using disting as a quantizer until I can get scales (backordered). I can also get rid of the 1U ADSR in favour of Maths, I can then get a 1U mixer.

EDITED Dec 14th 2021, 17:05

What's driving pitch in your sequences? Steppy handles triggers but not pitch. Noise Engineering offers a 4 channel 16 step CV sequencer by the name of Mimetic Digitalis that plays nicely with Steppy, but you're out of room.

Also, consider adding a small DC-coupled mixer like a 2HP Mix (check to see if the depth is okay for your rack). Mixing CV signals together is important, like combining LFOs and ENVELOPES...

Yay! So glad that you will be ok Lugia! All of your wisdom and advice along with others here have been a tremendous help to me when I started my modular journey two years ago.

I have the opportunity to buy a used. Shared system black + gold for €3700, should I go for it?

I have deleted one false offer in question because it is misleading in deed.
I don't think the users are "clowns" though. Maybe want to buy could be a new feature.

It will help if you can provide more details about what you're wanting to do with your rack. What are you goals?
I would initially suggest more modulation with Maths or Quadrax (both maybe) and some effects (FX Aid XL)

So now, 3rd wish for this possibility to combine XODES tile frames with 1U modules :) Thanks!

-- Sweelinck

As a workaround, one can replace 3U rows with 3 x 1U rows. Not super nice result, yet it's a way to actually plan the rack with real modules, as the 3U modules will somehow temporarily attach to the 1U rows. Simply add 2 x 1HP blanks instead of the adapters.

The thing is with this method, the boring cat will not leave you alone, and the positions of the modules will not be properly saved... but still, if you're not only into fantasy modular, and you actually need to plan a build, this method can help.

EDITED Dec 14th 2021, 14:59

Well, I wiil be glad to get some reccomedations for some new modules, those are which I have today. (im new)

Shame it can't record external CV/envelope/follow, or it would be smaller HP competition for Ephemere.
-- mntbighker

SDS Rit_M?

A new annoying habit has emerged on the marketplace: people posting as selling a module, but are apparantly actually looking for the module and gaining views by setting prices on the lower end. I personally find this annoying as hell, and would love to blacklist these clowns in some way.

Please at least take some form of action.

@Lugia Patience and good recovery!
(In our countries, in the United States or in France for my part, we are fortunate to have tremendous expertise and resources in the medical field. This is a privilege. The passion for music being another, so we are doubly privileged :))

Thank you for this very informative and useful advice. I will reconsider my rack and delve into it a bit more.
Lugia's rack looks very good and makes sense, unfortunately I understood only half of what you wrote as I am new to modular.
Would you rather buy something Lugia's rack or go for the complete set and live with its limitations for a while?
I know that at some stage I would change modules in the Black System III for example as it seems rather directed at those who want to have traditional substractive synthesis. I am missing ways for experimentation, unknown chaotic sounds, generative weirdness... please correct me if am wrong!

Get well soon Lugia!

Shame it can't record external CV/envelope/follow, or it would be smaller HP competition for Ephemere.

I should be fine, sacguy. They diagnosed the problem as angina, so now I get to start my day with a time-release nitroglycerin tab for the foreseeable future. The worst part of this was the stress test...which in this case was NOT the usual treadmill-til-u-drop routine. Nooo...first of all, I didn't get food for about 14 hours. That was the test prep. Then this afternoon, they shot me up with some technetium-99 (so I get to be radioactive for another day-ish) then took me for the "stress" part...which involved some hideous chemical that induces the same sort of result, but which had a "slight chance" of causing nausea. Within 30 seconds of that injection, the "slight chance" came on with a vengeance and I was asking for a barf bag. Then...more radioactive needle juice, the second scintillator imaging run...and I noticed something...

The computer they had running the imaging machine was a Hewlett-Packard Z400.

I'm kickin' their ass over here with my Z420 and Z620! Yeah, baybee...always good to know you've got superior firepower!

Lugia is 100% correct and I learned the hard way well at least my 6u Doepfer A100 Starter system was helpful to learn the basics but I ended up expanding to a monster case that really gave me breathing room and then added tools and support modules.

However with that said, new polyphonic modules like Knobula Poly Cinematic and paraphonic modules like Acid Rain Technologies Chainsaw and the Supercritical Demon core oscillator give me hope to at least add to a polyphonic type setup in modular but it still costs way more since you need a good sequencer which is expensive as well as nice big mixer, support modules, effects and so forth. Heck the Waldorf Iridium is a bargain compared to how you will end up spending 5x to get close in Eurorack. If polyphony was a hard stop for me, I would get the Waldorf, Prophet 6 or Access Virus TI2 and a cheap drum machine and be done with it. Same goes for modular drums, very expensive!

Oh my! You have my prayers Lugia! Hope you recover soon. I've had my fair share of health challenges these past few years. Anyways I am recording some samples to my DAW and new audio interface. MOTU 4 and Presonus Studio One are superb partners and lots of tools make it way easier to record and remix modular than when I used Ableton.

Agree- I needed a way larger cases and having these makes life easier since I can swap out what I need to smaller travel cases.
Utiltiies- yeah the VCAs and modulation sources and tools are more important than 50 fancy oscillators!

Some chill mix with Queen of Pentacles and Acid Rain Chainsaw testing my new audio interface MOTU 4 works great and Presonus Studio One much more feature rich for sound mixing options than Ableton.

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EDITED Feb 27th 2023, 07:14

XOR NerdSeq sequencing modular+Juno-106+TX81Z+Minilogue XD. Live to multitrack, no overdubs. I have never done anything with the Amen break in my decades of making music. Always felt hackneyed. Finally felt I should perhaps give it a go, so I loaded up the Assimil80r. Bassline is 8 TX81Z "Lately Basses" stacked with the Humble Audio Quad Operator. So 36 oscillators by my count.

HiFi version:

https://dspkills.bandcamp.com/track/trwfutdite

or iPhone mic compressed audio:

Good news @Lugia!

You're not going to manage an Iridium/Quantum in modular. Polyphony in modular generally results in huge systems, as you need a massive amount of repeated modules in groups...for starters. Same VCOs, VCFs, VCAs, LFOs, etc etc. Oh, and it'll have you ripping your hair out while programming it. But then, this isn't really what modular is about; you want to build something in Eurorack that is capable of stuff that only a modular can do, just like a Waldorf synth does what THEY do.

The Mantis is a good starting choice, as it can easily be expanded with a second Mantis + the link brackets. Also, the current capacity of the P/S is beefy. But the build above is just not going to work...there's too many really big modules in there in space that could be better used by smaller modules. That way, you can have some elaborate capabilities that, right now, this build isn't capable of.

Lessee here........OK...hmm, not bad:

OK...so, I coupled a sampler together with a VERY complex harmonic oscillator. Yeah, just one...and given what it's capable of, one is all you need! Let's have a look...

TOP: OK...I improved on the MIDI interface by putting in one of Hexinverter's Mutant Brain interfaces. 12 gates, four CVs, with a nice bit of flexibility. Then the Xaoc Odessa oscillator, plus a Hel, the four-voice poly expander...so you can have some polyphony until you hit the VCF, which gives you paraphony. A pair of VCAs is after this, with switchable response. Then that little black sliver is a pair of rectifier-type waveshapers, so that if you want to "nasty up" the Odessa, just run its VCAs through that. Then the multichannel sampler, which here is a Squarp Rampler...this saves space, and it makes the sampler a lot easier to deal with since you only have four outs. After that, there's a Veils which gives each Rampler channel its own VCA. Then to sum all of the VCAs down to stereo, there's an Omsonic UPE, which is a unity gain mixer with panning across six channels. With the audio signal now in stereo, I went with a Xaoc Zagrzeb, which is a stereo multimode VCF with all modes "hot" and in stereo. This filter also allows some weird things, such as putting a HPF on the left and an LPF on the right so that sounds can "migrate" across the stereo field, plus a lot of other potential mayhem. Beads goes in after that, then a Happy Nerding FX Aid XL for typical processing, then this feeds a Happy Nerding Isolator, which transformer-isolates your outputs so that you can avoid ground loops...plus you can hit it hard with the audio signal to get a nice bit of transformer saturation.

BOTTOM: A Doepfer noise/random/S&H module starts this off, then I swapped the Benjolin for a Wogglebug. Similar sort of idea, but more space-sensible. Next, the Make Noise Tempi/Rene mkii combo provides a similar sequencer environment to the Erica, but with a LOT more timing tricks as those two modules are designed to be used together, unlocking some hidden bits that a backplane connector between them uses. Then Maths, followed by a Tenderfoot triple attenuverter/mixer for CV and modulation signals. Another dual VCA like in the top row is after that to provide level control over modulation signals. And last, an Intellijel Quadrax/Qx combo lets you generate basic envelopes...or complex composite ones. Or even more if you crosslink them with the Maths.

That's a better use of space, I think. By doing this, it opened up more space for more functionality without having to resort to having itty-bitty controls for your main modules. And going with the Rampler will be easier to deal with than the Bitbox, which would require quite a bit more in utilities, etc to use to its best advantage. And the Odessa only seems to just be one oscillator...which it is and also isn't. Xaoc stuff is generally very feature-rich, and this is no exception. And hey...I came up with a sum that's only $50 off of your own, but this'll do WAY more for your money.

EDITED Dec 14th 2021, 04:31

Hmmmm...in truth, 3U x 84 hp isn't a good way to start. It'll force you into one of two situations...

1) You wind up using very slim modules, 6 hp and down. This has an inherent flaw in that if you don't have fingers about the diameter of spaghetti, it'll be a total bitch to use.

2) You put normal sized modules in, and then run out of room before one or two critical modules can be installed.

I don't endorse either possibility. Instead...and you hear this a lot here...get a Tiptop Mantis. US street on it is $335, and you can add a second Mantis later on with their expansion bracket set. Power supply is also quite hefty in those, and unless you stick several tube-based modules into the build, you're not likely to exceed the current capacity, even on startup inrushes. They're lightweight, and Tiptop even makes an optional gig bag for them.

And speaking of Tiptop, they're working with Buchla on a line of 200-series Eurorack modules. The 281t and 258t are supposed to be out around the end of the year, with the 245t, 257t, 266t, and 292t dropping during 2022. And with THESE, the Buchla "price tag" is gone; the 281t is $210 and the 258t is $200. Given that there's other Buchla or Serge-based Eurorack modules around, you could easily build a pure "West Coast" rig in a single Mantis. But don't try it in the cab you've got above...you won't have room.

Yay...not dead! Going to have to take time-released nitroglycerin tabs for the foreseeable future, though.

Also...there's a disc that'll be at Carle Hospital's records department in a couple of weeks that'll hopefully include the cardiac ultrasound waveforms from one of my tests. That shit sounds VERY alien...and in stereo, even! You know I've gotta do something with it!