Another option would be to get rid of the Function / Secondary Function dropdowns and add a list of all functions with a +/- to include or exclude each.

-- general_disorder

Drop downs like the filtering functions in Excel and similar spreadsheet programs. Could be done.

I would like to easily filter out blank panels.
-- jgb

Second on this

-- Dub007

something like this?

or is there another context where excluding blank panels makes sense?
-- modular01

Could be done that way, yes. Or more extensive filtering preferences defined elsewhere. :-) Implementation wise this would be equivalent to trusting the tagging data of modules, not including anything tagged as a blank panel.

Taking myself as an example, I am not interested in 1u modules at all. To filter out those by default I have to save a link with that filtering setting already set (full size only).

I would like to easily filter out blank panels.
-- jgb

Second on this

-- Dub007

something like this?

or is there another context where excluding blank panels makes sense?
-- modular01

Another option would be to get rid of the Function / Secondary Function dropdowns and add a list of all functions with a +/- to include or exclude each.

Posted this a year ago with no responses. In the meantime I've added a few devices to the pedal view but I still feel Desktop should be its own category. I use 4ms Pods as placeholders for my modular, but I see they have been recently unlisted?? Still hoping to be able to see my setup, all in one, here one day .

I'd like a desktop layout where you could blend a screenshot of your modular rack, or many, along with any standalone equipment like synths and drum machines or guitar pedals and effect units. The pedals feature kinda does it already but it would need the addition of a lot more desktop devices and of course the screenshot as a device idea. This would make Pod layouts possible where you could arrange several separate small racks in a single space.

Thanks

-- general_disorder

Thanks foe the feedback. Luckily I live in Japan so I should be able to drop by beforehand and check it there. I did a quick test in the lab and everything powered up, but I'm moreso worried about the modules actung strange like you mentioned.

First off, congrats on a gig in Japan!
As for two prong, it will give you floating ground. Some modules won't work correctly or not at all, with with a two prong power connector. You should be able to pre-flight check that with a two-pronged PSU. I use a two prong Toshiba notebook brick with a Tiptop uZEUS and Make Noise René doing all kind of weird things got me hopping mad.

Soery if this is a stupid and/or annoying question. I am supposed to perform in Japan next month and the venue only has 2-prong power available (no extra grounding screws on the outlets). However, my modular rig runs on 3-prong power supplies (2 Arturia Rackbrute 6U's and one custom case powered by a 2HP lunchbox power supply, also 3-prong). Any ideas on wherher or not this will even work? I am not fluent enough on this matter and have had a difficult time finding any concrete info on it. It's a bit confusing to me because my smaller module is a 4ms 48x and shipped with a 2-prong power cable.

Hopefully I can drop by the venue and check the rig beforehand, but I'm hoping somebody can assist with any info.

I had good results using a triangle wave for the clock signal as well. Because it doesn't have the sharp edge, it's inaudible. As a consequence, you can continue using the dry/wet mix of the FX Aid and you don't need to mix dry back in afterwards.

Price is not correct, it's 328 at Schneiders and probably everywhere else as well ..
-- UFFFD

$269 at Toppobrillo
https://toppobrillo.com/products/minimix-signup

Price is not correct, it's 328 at Schneiders and probably everywhere else as well ..
-- UFFFD

it's the same for a lot of modules... prices quoted are only a rough guide... and don't yend to get updated very often if at all

iirc the prices are also only entered in 1 currency in this example USD and then coverted to EUR, not entered explicitly for a particular currency (& prices often differ between resellers anyway) & so they do not include cost of distribution and sales taxes (VAT/TVA?BTW), to name 2 things that may impact actual sale prices...

Price is not correct, it's 328 at Schneiders and probably everywhere else as well ..

Simply a great and handy mixer. I have three Hyrlo's daisy chained (bus connectors on pcb) serving as my final audio mixer with 9 stereo channels. The summed output goes to my Befaco Out for easy performance setup where I want just a stereo line out. In studio setup I have each Hyrlo output patched, this breaks the daisy chaining so that I have 3 seperate 3 stereo channel mixers (or 2x 3-channels stereo + 1 or 2x 3-channels mono) that go directly into my audio interface for multitrack recording. Great solution, great sound, great quality.

beat repeat: modbap per4mer

Don't forget the Mystic Circuits IDUM! Might come in handy :)

An oscillator in the style of the VCOs in the TB-303,
Pretty good build, lots of parts. Did have some issues getting the board mating pin headers to fit well, this has been updated in later kits. You’ll have to refer to the bill of materials instead of the build guide for a few component positions.
But overall good.
And it sounds very good, a somewhat long demo section. Best thing is that you get all 4 waves on their own output jacks all the time, interesting possibilities there!
Not a first or second kit, but not too bad.

Build

This was the solution^

Thank you for the feedback!
I'll have to think about the concept more.
Some clarifications below:

voice leading requires at least one sequencer channel per voice - unless you only want to be able to play in unison or in fixed intervals

you have a quad quantizer, but no melodic sequencer to feed it - so how are you intending to sequence the voices in your rack? if the answer is I don't know, but I'd like to control the notes - then get a sequencer that's big enough to control those voices - something like a erica black sequencer, or the new hermod+, both of which include quantisers, as do almost all sequencers in the "battleship sequencer" category

My idea was to use the Harlequin as a sequencer and modulate, offset, invert etc. multiples of it before quantization.
Then trigger rhythms for the melodies and drums via "trigger action" (pam's, binary akkumulator & burst).
I was hoping to use triggers to modulate the Harlequin sequences somewhat with sample & hold, slew limiter stuff.

you have 4 vcos and a sampler... but only a single vcf... so immediately you are out of polyphonic territory and into paraphonic... for polyphony, as mentioned above, you need a vcf per voice - on top of this there is not enough mixing to reduce the 4 channels of vcos to a stereo signal before sending to the vcf... you may be envisioning the 2 shakmat vcos and the waveshaper as a single complex oscillator?

Ok. I see it; lacking filter and mixing capacity. The complex oscillator was indeed envisioned as an patching option.
I was hoping to use the sampler and disting to stretch to kinda-sorta 4 voices for ... an patching option.

work out how many voices you really want...

Not less than 2.

-- JimHowell1970

Cheers

-- krmk

in that case I'd look at reducing the number of voices to 2 and increasing the amount of utility modules - especially mixers /cascding vcas (happy nerding might be a good option as they are often smallish - 6hp - 3MIA, 3VCA etc) to facilitate the generation - personally I like the ability to deliberately input sequences as well as 'randomly' generate them... so I just use a marbles for 'random' - if I had one I'd use the harlequin's context for making changes to modulation and routing etc - to differentiate sections of music

I would have to politely disagree here as far as size of case goes cause you can achieve this sound with a relatively small setup
-- obscuremachines

disagreement is good!!!

"this is probably unrealistic... you may be able to achieve a small subset of what he does, but generally people have large cases for a reason... one of which is being able to run multiple voices and effects chains at once - which you won't really be able to do in a small case"

I would have to politely disagree here as far as size of case goes cause you can achieve this sound with a relatively small setup

My set up rn is a deluge, minibrute 2s, rackbrute6u and an o coast I want an all around, performance set up but also a friend that does its own thing. So what do ya think are these good accompaniments ? I want this to be my dream instrument something truly versatile for bass ,noise ect ect also I'm pushing the power a little idk if it can handle it tho I couldn't delete the picture, and the rack different now.

Oh interesting, thank you, I will try that.

Haven't used that effect but the Pro manual says you need to set the Dry/Wet mix to 100% wet or else you will hear the clock, it should be the same for the XL.

EDITED Jun 22nd 2023, 19:04

Hello there,

I am attempting to use one of the clock divided delays on the fx aid xl.

specifically the (delay mono_clk)

the manual says to plug the clock into the right input and the audio into the left, with the outputs in stereo.

I am getting complete pass thru of the clock signal into the right output, making this side essentially unusable.

Are any other fx aid users having this issue?
is my clock signal too hot?
it is coming from the erica black sequencer, unsure of voltage.

Thank you.

EDITED Jun 22nd 2023, 18:19

Thank you for the feedback!
I'll have to think about the concept more.
Some clarifications below:

voice leading requires at least one sequencer channel per voice - unless you only want to be able to play in unison or in fixed intervals

you have a quad quantizer, but no melodic sequencer to feed it - so how are you intending to sequence the voices in your rack? if the answer is I don't know, but I'd like to control the notes - then get a sequencer that's big enough to control those voices - something like a erica black sequencer, or the new hermod+, both of which include quantisers, as do almost all sequencers in the "battleship sequencer" category

My idea was to use the Harlequin as a sequencer and modulate, offset, invert etc. multiples of it before quantization.
Then trigger rhythms for the melodies and drums via "trigger action" (pam's, binary akkumulator & burst).
I was hoping to use triggers to modulate the Harlequin sequences somewhat with sample & hold, slew limiter stuff.

you have 4 vcos and a sampler... but only a single vcf... so immediately you are out of polyphonic territory and into paraphonic... for polyphony, as mentioned above, you need a vcf per voice - on top of this there is not enough mixing to reduce the 4 channels of vcos to a stereo signal before sending to the vcf... you may be envisioning the 2 shakmat vcos and the waveshaper as a single complex oscillator?

Ok. I see it; lacking filter and mixing capacity. The complex oscillator was indeed envisioned as an patching option.
I was hoping to use the sampler and disting to stretch to kinda-sorta 4 voices for ... an patching option.

work out how many voices you really want...

Not less than 2.

-- JimHowell1970

Cheers

you are trying to do too much in too small a case...

polyphony is extremely expensive in modular, as each voice requires at least one vco and each vco requires at least one vca, a vcf and an envelope generator and thats before we start on modulation - and quite possibly each of the vcos requires a simple mixer to mix waveforms - and that is just for the simplest, most boring subtractive synth voice... and then you need a mixer to mix the voices together... and whilst jumbe henge is great for placing voices in a stereo field and overall volume, you still need a way of balancing the volume of individual voices... I see you have quadratt, but you'll need attenuators/attenuverters for modulation too!!!

voice leading requires at least one sequencer channel per voice - unless you only want to be able to play in unison or in fixed intervals

you have a quad quantizer, but no melodic sequencer to feed it - so how are you intending to sequence the voices in your rack? if the answer is I don't know, but I'd like to control the notes - then get a sequencer that's big enough to control those voices - something like a erica black sequencer, or the new hermod+, both of which include quantisers, as do almost all sequencers in the "battleship sequencer" category

this is why 90% of the time as soon as polyphony is mentioned by a newbie the 1st reply is "just get a polysynth" it will save you money... seriously it may be worth your while saving a bit more and getting a moog one - it's already patched for you and comes with both a sequencer and a keyboard... and at under £10k for 16 voices, it's a bargin!!!

you have 4 vcos and a sampler... but only a single vcf... so immediately you are out of polyphonic territory and into paraphonic... for polyphony, as mentioned above, you need a vcf per voice - on top of this there is not enough mixing to reduce the 4 channels of vcos to a stereo signal before sending to the vcf... you may be envisioning the 2 shakmat vcos and the waveshaper as a single complex oscillator?

even so the filter is stereo, but the vcos are mono, so you really need a way of placing the voices in the stereo field before sending to the filter, unless you are envisioning using the filter in dual mode - in which case I would strongly suggest 2 separte filters as they will be easier to use in the long run

normally it is suggested to limit to 1 - 1.5 voices per row based upon the need for support modules to get the voices to do anything interesting

advice:

take a look at my signature and seriouly contemplate it for a while... then apply what you have learnt to the following steps...

work out how many voices you really want...
work out what you need for sequencing and mixing those voices...
work out what you need for modulation - probably quite a lot - but you can use copies to each voice - and add in a matrix mixer, which is really useful for combining simple modulation sources to derive related more complex modulation
work out what you need for each voice - vcas, vcos (1 or 2 or 3 per voice), vcfs, envelopes etc - if you want 4 voice polyphony with 2 oscillators per voice then it might be worth looking at quad or octal polyphonic vcos (doepfer or wavefonix)

expect to take up at least double the case space for 4 voices and their related support modules - especially if you want a ergonomic synth... a lot of newbies are unaware how small eurorack actually is and are surprised once they get their 1st modules: 1hp = 1/5", 1u = 1.75" - think how big your fingers are in relation to that and how patch cables impede the use of your fingers when reaching for knobs, be aware that trimmers (the small black knobs) are much less precise than bigger knobs...

then buy the absolute minimum thfrom this list of modules that you need to make a single voice, play it, modulate it and listen to it before continuing, learn these inside and out and refine (you may hate the vcf for example) before buying another voice as and when...

and do all this before considering the "lots of trigger action", whatever that means... or go for that first...

just don't do it all at once!! you will be overwhelmed and spend a lot of time and money replacing things...

hope this helps and good luck! any questions etc feel free to ask...

I've been wanting to get into eurorack for a very long time. I own four semimodular synthesizers, a beatstep pro and sq1, and even bought a Behringer CP1 A months a go because i found it very cheap on eBay which I havent touched at all.

cheap is not often associated with good... the b-company power supply is almost definitely not powerful enough to power the 6u 104hp case you envisage - just checked and you've got 2 - might work... remember the semis will want power and you need to leave at least 25-30% headroom on each rail

My goal:
I want this rack to be focused only one thing, and thats glitchy percusive/drum sounds. I'm not interested in creating a basic 'kick snare hat' sort of drum machine since I already have a Digitakt and RD9 for more conventional drum sounds. What I really want is to be able to explore sound design but in a rythmic way, both in terms of sequencing and sound modulation.

so in my mind that would be oscillators, vcas, envelopes, lfos, filters and maybe an effect module or 2

Influences:
I will list some of the artists that inspire me in order to give a clearer understanding of the sound I'm trying to achieve: Aphex Twin, Floating Points, Jean Jelinek, uZiq, Squarepusher, Venetian Snares, etc...

Context:
I already have a Neutron and DFAM, also I will be using my Beatstep pro as the main sequencer (which has a probability function and can kind of work as a basic 'generative' sequencer). I want to start with a 6U 104hp case in which I want to put both Neutron and DFAM and I'll just remoove them as I get more modules.

The rack I've planned:
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2155174.jpg

I would have helped here and posted a link to the url of your actual rack... but I couldn't be bothered to sift through 8 racks to find the right one... jpgs are shite...

Questions:
- I want to bring effects in and out at random times. Would Pamelas New Workout combined with Twiigs allow me to send random clocked gates to the mix inputs of the effects I've put in the rack?

I'd tend towards Pams Pro Workout as this will probably allow you to do this in a single module - and use envelopes not gates

• One of the most important effects I wan to have is a beatrepeat which would allow me to modulate the lenght of the repeats triggered randomly at clocked intervals. Would Databender be able to do that? Are there any better alternatives?

worth looking at: clouds clone with the kammerl beat repeat firmware... you'll probably want attenuators for modulation

• I have not included any VCAs, envelopes or utility modules, this is becuase the three voices I have in the rack already have built in VCAs and envelopes, plus the Neutron has two attenuators, slew limiter and a basic sample and hold. Am I missing something important here? This is the first time I build a eurorack synthesizer and I'm worried that I might not even know what I dont know.

are the vcas, envelopes and other fundamentally important utilities patchable and still usable in the semis? I doubt it... think again these are all fundamental sound design building blocks... you probably want a lot more of them, not less

• Is it absolutely necessary to have an output module? I've seen a lot of people on youtube mixing eurorack signals with outboard mixers and not getting a lot of noise. My idea is to mix all the voices with the STMX module, then send the output into Databender as a final effect and then from Databender straight into my Mackie CR-1604 mixer. Would I be ok doing that?

it is not necessary to have an output module... but it really depends on whether or not whatever you are sending it to can cope with modular levels without clipping

s0, it will probably work.. but as @ferranadsr said I wouldn't want to go straight into an outboard mixer with the output of an effects module - a more fully featured mixer with a send/returmn facility would be a better idea...

I have watched all of Grant Boss's videos on youtube a million times, and pretty much I want to be able to do what he does but in a waaaaaaaay smaller case.

this is probably unrealistic... you may be able to achieve a small subset of what he does, but generally people have large cases for a reason... one of which is being able to run multiple voices and effects chains at once - which you won't really be able to do in a small case

agreed. AE are great sounding, low cost modular option that helps democratise it in a more ethical way than others who produce low cost modules without co-opting designs and monopolising production via large factories. would be great to have them on modulargrid!

I'd be glad if you shared your thoughts on this.
My head us fuming and i'm in dire need of some critique.
The aim is some polyphonic voice leading with lots of trigger action.
€_€

Have been down this road before. If you don't have Mito you should check out this module by Robotdogmusic the Improbable Sequence Generator

Beautiful, brilliant, go for it! Modules you have here that I use all the time and highly recommend: Pamela's Pro Workout, Disting EX, 3x MIA, Plaits clone, Rings clone, Maths, Clouds clone, O&C--excellent choices, all! I am not familiar with your other modules, but that is not a down-vote for them. I started out with a system smaller than this, and after 2-3 years had a system bigger than this. Any size modular synth is a blast. Enjoy it! I make mostly ambient music and organic noise.

Trim down this rack? I wouldn't. I would like to hear it!

sounds good

I've bought two modules from @otterpops over the last month, and both have been well-packed and exactly as-described. A solid and respectable human.

If either of you are interested in jamming this summer, PM me / i'll send you a message. Currently staying with my folks in Palo Cedro with my 9U, pod FX rack & drum machines.

Looks like a nice concept, it has my attention... needs a good demo. We'll likely see more circular screens. Skippy is another that just came out.
One question is... can we flip the screen and interface so we have jacks on top? This would seem to almost be a requirement these days...

Edit... Firmware update includes the flip. Nice.

EDITED Jun 27th 2023, 17:48

+1
AE modules can fit in Eurorack with the AE modular Eurorack adapter frame.
Really nice modules from Tangible Waves, but you need good (young ;)) eyesight to use them.
The new black frontpanels are more readable.

EDITED Jun 20th 2023, 15:40

Got rid of Pam, as the outboard gear I have can seq absolute trigs/CV and the Pachenko/Marbles will add a lot of happy "accidents". Because of that I also removed the 0ch LFOs and the Instru logic, I kind of wanted the logic but it was quite expensive and the Disting has one, albeit not as good.
-- pechnatunk

It is worth considering keeping a Pam's Pro Workout in the system. It's incredibly useful for so many things, and often saves me having to buy new modules for certain jobs as I realize that Pam's has it covered. As I write this, it's being used to keep the whole system in time, as well as modulating various things. And I've just been reading up on using it for some euclidean experimentation. I in fact have two in my rack, and both are always doing something. For the price and the size, it's crazy how useful it is.

One other thing, which is probably fairly obvious: you will in all likelihood change your system on an ongoing basis. It's the joy of modular. The way you make music will develop, and your knowledge will make fun new things possible. If it really gets hold of you, controlling your spending may be a challenge. Dealing with GAS is a part of the journey for most people. But as long as you are reading manuals and getting the most out of what you have, GAS may be ameliorated to some degree. In six years I've gone through over 100 modules, and bought several of them twice.

I hope this is useful to some degree, and I wish you well with it.
-- gumbo23

Ha - I know! it is a very tough decision to remove Pamela (it's my girlfriend's name too! )
And now I'm having second thoughts, no thanks to you :)
Just read the manual and learnt about the logic and crossmod modes built in - which are very interesting indeed - and also the triggered rotating output.

As for GAS - yes, this purchase will also coincide with me selling some lesser used items - unfortunately they aren't worth as much... :)

Bump.

I'd love to be able to design an AE modular system.

There are ~100 first-party modules and a couple dozen third-party modules.

Willing to volunteer for some data entry if that would make it easier.

Is it currently possible to assign a 3U 4hp module to a 26hp 1U space, such as when using a 3U-to-1U adapter? I'd love to see that added if not.

thanks for your detailed answers jim. lots of new thoughts on how to optimize. i watched also a video on how to use a matrix mixer actually very flexible tool which totally makes sense to have. i will use the moogs in their cases and only get one for the eurorack stuff. i will get rid of plaits and rings and focus on stuff which modulates and supports.

hey jim, thanks for your comment.

i was thinking a lot if i should keep the moogs in there cases, cause than i could just build a small rack which saves money at the end. but on the other hand if everything is placed in one bigger case it would be easier to patch i guess.

you just need some longer cables...

I've got 8 cases and I have no issues patching between them

i thought i have enough utility modules.

yeah... it's similar to the 'you can never have too many vcas' meme... now replace 'vcas' with 'utilities' and it becomes more accurate!

sound source: would be the moog oscillators than

the moogs are more voices - basically they are mono-synths - as are to a large extent plaits and rings (although rings can also be a sound modifier), you don't really have any traditional stand alone oscillators in here

sound modifieres: what would be apart from a filter?

yeah filters (which the semis also have built in don't they?), but also lpg, wavefolders, and other effects in general - good idea with the sbg (handy one that if your pedals have expression inputs) - that way you can experiment with where you place things like delay and reverb in the chain... reverb into filter for example

modulation sources: whats missing, i have lfo, envelope follower and generartor

it's not necessarily what's missing... more do you have enough?

utility - what is missing? i have vca, attenuators, slew, offset

again, not necessarily anything missing - I'd at least add some logic and some simple mixers (both ac and dc-coupled)

the samara will get used up very quickly and maths is best when patch-programmed which often takes up the bulit in utilities - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' available to download online

attenuators and attenuverters get used up quickly too - lots of modules don't include them - and 10v peak to peak is often too much modulation - less is often more...

a stand alone clock divider is also a great idea - send it audio - the /2 will output a square wave 1 octave lower than the original, the /4 will output a square wave 2 octaves lower

sequential (and non-sequential) switches - switch between inputs or ouputs based upon a clock or manually...

what would be an example on how to use a matrix mixer. i don't understand what would be the benefit of using one.

OK - a couple of examples

patch in copies of 4 modulation sources - mix them together and now you have 4 different, but related modulation signals...

patch in an audio source - and out to an effect - and the effect back in - mix the dry signal and the effect back into the output to the effect... suddenly you have controlled feedback... plus a dry and wet output or a single output with control over the wet and dry mix - you could also patch it so that there's a filter in the feedback loop - useful for delays if they don't have feedback loops themselves

hey jim, thanks for your comment.

i was thinking a lot if i should keep the moogs in there cases, cause than i could just build a small rack which saves money at the end. but on the other hand if everything is placed in one bigger case it would be easier to patch i guess. i thought i have enough utility modules.

sound source: would be the moog oscillators than
sound modifieres: what would be apart from a filter?
modulation sources: whats missing, i have lfo, envelope follower and generartor
utility - what is missing? i have vca, attenuators, slew, offset
what would be an example on how to use a matrix mixer. i don't understand what would be the benefit of using one.

thanks

too many voices... not enough utility modules...

take a look at my signature and spend some time thinking about the contents in relation to this rack...

personally I'd keep the moogs in their own cases rather than pay twice to house and power them...

scales seems a bit unnecessary - pams can be used as a quantizer if needed

the mults could be replaced with either stackcables or headphone splitters

plaits has a built in lpg

I'd want a matrix mixer - doepfer for example - useful for making complex modulation etc

hey guys,

I am very new to eurorack and bought few years back the moog sound studio dfam/mother32 and last year I got the subharmonicon. I really like the hands on approach and now the more I patch these instruments with each other’s, the more fun I have. So I decided to fall in the rabbit hole now. I would like to ask if my thoughts are right and my setup makes sense. There is no particular genre I want to make. I want to jam, have fun, record something and make a track out of it.

Here is the gear I have and want to use with my upgraded eurorack moog sound studio.
4x moogs, but maybe I will sell the subharomicon
1x mixer with balanced inputs
1x delay pedal, 1x reverb pedal via send/return on the mixer
And possible 2 pedals as inserts.
1x Digitakt for sequencing

When I was testing the dfam (vca out) with my mixer I need to lower the volume about noonish and also the gain on the mixer is the lowest. So should i still use just cables or an module like the xport?

So here comes my modular selection and why.
Mutant brain - for integration of digitakt – must have
Pamela - for clock, random and support for dfam sequencing – must have
Xport – for each synth voice to feed my mixer. Does it make sense?
Maths – you know why – must have
Samara – utility goes very nice with Batumi
Batumi – lfo musically
Ochd – lfo organic
LPG – low pass gate always wanted to have one for the plucky stuff maybe in combination with plaits.
Quad vca – must have
Some mults
Plaits – must have
Rings – would add additional flavor to the sounds I have.
Disrting ex – it does it all and good option to see what I would need in a eurorack
Tallin – I really need a distortion and this has a very small footrprint and 2x.
Scales – to get musical stuff from random voltage
Wasp + Forbidden Planet – filter to have something different than the ladder.

So now the question is: what is missing and does my selection make sense. What should I change? Many thanks for your inputs and thoughts

So, a mega Pam's?

Got rid of Pam, as the outboard gear I have can seq absolute trigs/CV and the Pachenko/Marbles will add a lot of happy "accidents". Because of that I also removed the 0ch LFOs and the Instru logic, I kind of wanted the logic but it was quite expensive and the Disting has one, albeit not as good.
-- pechnatunk

It is worth considering keeping a Pam's Pro Workout in the system. It's incredibly useful for so many things, and often saves me having to buy new modules for certain jobs as I realize that Pam's has it covered. As I write this, it's being used to keep the whole system in time, as well as modulating various things. And I've just been reading up on using it for some euclidean experimentation. I in fact have two in my rack, and both are always doing something. For the price and the size, it's crazy how useful it is.

One other thing, which is probably fairly obvious: you will in all likelihood change your system on an ongoing basis. It's the joy of modular. The way you make music will develop, and your knowledge will make fun new things possible. If it really gets hold of you, controlling your spending may be a challenge. Dealing with GAS is a part of the journey for most people. But as long as you are reading manuals and getting the most out of what you have, GAS may be ameliorated to some degree. In six years I've gone through over 100 modules, and bought several of them twice.

I hope this is useful to some degree, and I wish you well with it.

EDITED Jun 17th 2023, 12:36

Good communication and easy deals twice now selling to @elektronen. Would recommend!

Thanks! I missed your mention of Veils, but this is great. I decided to ditch the ES digital ins/outs for now.

NP

I've got a single input module for line or Guitar w bonus env and gate and veils as back up for extra line inputs and VCA duties.

"extra vca duties" are almost always needed... & not just for audio!!!

Got rid of Pam, as the outboard gear I have can seq absolute trigs/CV and the Pachenko/Marbles will add a lot of happy "accidents". Because of that I also removed the 0ch LFOs and the Instru logic, I kind of wanted the logic but it was quite expensive and the Disting has one, albeit not as good.

you'd be surprised - often the algos on disting are really quite good... especially when you take into account the actual cost of the disting algo compared to an instruo module

An extra cascading attenuverter/mult/mixer, and having another cascading VCA on hand to also hopefully attenuate signals to line level if I want some more indvidual outs other than the two stereo line outs.

Now just trying to decide if I should swap the HN 3xMIA for a Doepher A138sv in case I want some panning, though it's not VC...

neither is the 3MIA... but I'd keep the 3MIA and work out how to patch auto-panning with an LFO, an inverted and offset copy of the LFO and veils...

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Thanks! I missed your mention of Veils, but this is great. I decided to ditch the ES digital ins/outs for now.
I've got a single input module for line or Guitar w bonus env and gate and veils as back up for extra line inputs and VCA duties.
Got rid of Pam, as the outboard gear I have can seq absolute trigs/CV and the Pachenko/Marbles will add a lot of happy "accidents". Because of that I also removed the 0ch LFOs and the Instru logic, I kind of wanted the logic but it was quite expensive and the Disting has one, albeit not as good.
An extra cascading attenuverter/mult/mixer, and having another cascading VCA on hand to also hopefully attenuate signals to line level if I want some more indvidual outs other than the two stereo line outs.

Now just trying to decide if I should swap the HN 3xMIA for a Doepher A138sv in case I want some panning, though it's not VC...

got it! I feel good! if you think I messed up you can eat turds! I'm having a blast!