I highly recommend the Delta-V as a great envelope generator / LFO / VCA. Basically a mini maths!
-- Praveen

Thanks for the recommendation, this wasn't on my radar before!

I pulled the trigger on most of it. I got the Caixa 104, PPW, Alan+Enigma, QD, and the Veils clone. I'm holding off on the Manis Iteritas and any FX unit. I also wasn't able to find the ES-8 in stock anywhere (new or used), so I have an alert set up for that.

@JimHowell1970 I get what you're saying about utility modules. I'm hoping that once I play with what I've bought, I'll have a better feel for what I need. I like that the Caixa comes with balanced ins/outs, 2x buffered mults, a precision adder, 2x lfos, S&H, noise, and a stereo mixer. So I'm trying to figure out what other sorts of utility modules I'm really missing out on. Suggestions in that area?

Trank you for the Link this bible explains what thé LFO/VCA with multiples is very important .

So Math seems to be the référence : is there a same quality alternative ? And iahve you a Good réf• Midi to cv ?

Cheers

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 19:17

I'm about to list some things as well... Was thinking startup and in action clips would be welcome as well. Certainly for more expensive kit. Be honest with when You can ship and most importantly... IMO... Communication.
That to me can make a difference between PayPal f&f or not.

Maybe this can help... Or... Maybe not...
https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=230155
-- Dub007

that's quite a good idea!

Maybe this can help... Or... Maybe not...
https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=230155

Hello, I hope I can get some advice here. I have a Disting Mk4 which seems to have developed an issue with the SD card reader.
I have 32Gb SD card that previously worked fine but now upon start up the Disting will show an empty screen after showing the firmware version (4.18). It does not react to any button pushes or turns.
The module starts up fine if the SD card is removed. The SD card reads fine on my mac but fresh format as per manual does not help with the Disting startup. Unfortunately, I do not have another card to hand to further check this. Has anyone else ever had this? Could the card reader in the Disting have failed?
Thanks in advance for any help or advice!

Maybe some reasoning for your selections would be in order...

why the battleship sequencer without enough voices for it to drive?

why the knobula? do you know how you could use it?

why no submixers?

and most importantly why no VCAS????????

I've only purchased through Modular Grid, never sold, but I have sold quite a few items elsewhere. My advice would be to list things at a fair price, accurately describe EVERYTHING, use PayPal goods and services for everyone's protection, and ship quickly with sturdy packaging. I know a lot of folks like PayPal friends and family, but I'm not sure I would be comfortable using that with someone who has minimal feedback.
Have fun and good luck.

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 18:02

Hi, I’m considering listing modules on here but I don’t have any kind of reputation. Id also love to know what is the safest way to do the transaction (paypal?)

Thanks for reading.

Okay , I havé something now, Sounds better like that ?

or (Wait for update .m’a)

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 15:46

and now the actual link!

ah good the thumbnail doesn't match - but not a problem...

the midi-cv module appears to be discontinued... may be impossible to source...

the sequencer is I believe very difficult to get hold of and probably not the easiest to get to grips with...

mixer ok...

no vcas... not enough channels of lfo/function generator!!! you will need these!!!!

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 14:53

On this page you will find information that will surely help you: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/10775
-- Sweelinck

Thx !!

es8 or 9 - neither of which will require quantization as the output will already be quantized - possibly to talk to a computer/DAW

I have Several deeadbox (nyx HADES erebus v2)

possibly a sequencer - which may or may not include a quantizer - you may want more than one of these - possibly a trigger sequencer and a melodic sequencer for sequencing pitch (v/oct) and possibly gates

Excellent idea , is a drum séquencer like Drumbrute impact could to pilot ? Or minilog matrix were percer too

a quad cascading vca - I lik veils - clones are available - as it has enough gain to be also used as an input module if needed (most vcas do not have this)

Added on my rack

an lfo - probably multichannel
a multipl chan LFO black noise added but LOWER game ,

a function generator - ?'

a mixer (for combining the outputs of the oscillator)

a mixer for combining modulation sources (I like matrix mixers)

an end of chain mixer - to combine different sounds and output to ? headphones/mixer/monitors?

possibly an input module - so that you can amplify external gear to modular levels

some utility modules to help you copy signals (muult) and modify them
-- JimHowell1970

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2193237.jpg?1678630225

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 14:10

On this page you will find information that will surely help you: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/10775
-- Sweelinck

Thx !!

es8 or 9 - neither of which will require quantization as the output will already be quantized - possibly to talk to a computer/DAW

I have Several deeadbox (nyx HADES erebus v2)

possibly a sequencer - which may or may not include a quantizer - you may want more than one of these - possibly a trigger sequencer and a melodic sequencer for sequencing pitch (v/oct) and possibly gates

Excellent idea , is a drum séquencer like Drumbrute impact could to pilot ? Or minilog matrix were percer too

a quad cascading vca - I lik veils - clones are available - as it has enough gain to be also used as an input module if needed (most vcas do not have this)

Added on my rack

an lfo - probably multichannel
a multipl chan LFO black noise added but LOWER game ,

a function generator - ?'

a mixer (for combining the outputs of the oscillator)

a mixer for combining modulation sources (I like matrix mixers)

an end of chain mixer - to combine different sounds and output to ? headphones/mixer/monitors?

possibly an input module - so that you can amplify external gear to modular levels

some utility modules to help you copy signals (muult) and modify them
-- JimHowell1970

On this page you will find information that will surely help you: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/10775

ok so maybe you could add some of the things that you think you want and then we can critique that and add the things you actually need

here's a few hints - you may want and you will need some of the types of modules mentioned:

to connect to your other studio bits and pieces - a midi to cv module (and possibly a cv to midi module) or something like a expert sleepers es8 or 9 - neither of which will require quantization as the output will already be quantized - possibly to talk to a computer/DAW

possibly a sequencer - which may or may not include a quantizer - you may want more than one of these - possibly a trigger sequencer and a melodic sequencer for sequencing pitch (v/oct) and possibly gates

a quad cascading vca - I lik veils - clones are available - as it has enough gain to be also used as an input module if needed (most vcas do not have this)

an lfo - probably multichannel

a function generator - I like maths, as it has the best documentation, particularly the 'maths illustrated supplement'

a mixer (for combining the outputs of the oscillator)

a mixer for combining modulation sources (I like matrix mixers)

an end of chain mixer - to combine different sounds and output to ? headphones/mixer/monitors?

possibly an input module - so that you can amplify external gear to modular levels

some utility modules to help you copy signals (muult) and modify them

It should be start

make the rack public in edit rack and then copy the url and paste it into the post....

With pleasure i built my rack but I cant share it , just a jpg . Is sharing possible to suscribe Unicorn ? It could to be That ? https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2193237.jpg

EDITED Mar 12th 2023, 12:34

Atlantis would be a pretty great option for a certain type of ambient I reckon. SH-101 was all over a lot of 90s downtempo stuff.

This guy def makes it work:

Yes, with more specific terms, the results are a bit better. It still gets confused at times, if you tell it to start with sound sources, it may add Maths, which is correct because it can be used as a sound source, so it is better to specify VCOs instead of sound sources.

I also find it interesting when asking for module alternatives. So if a module has been discontinued, it can suggest some replacements for it, which can be useful and save time browsing thousands of modules looking for alternatives.

I highly recommend the Delta-V as a great envelope generator / LFO / VCA. Basically a mini maths!

Thanks Jim! I wasn't familiar with "cascading" VCAs, and looked into it. Looks like I can treat a section of it as a simple unity mixer, so that helps to mix another voice in!

I took out the Plaits and 2HP Mix for now and added a Veils clone. I'm gonna leave 20hp blank for now until I get everything received and figure out whether I really need another voice, more utility modules, etc etc.

hmmm... it's quite a common newbie issue but you might be trying to do too much in too small a case... see my signature and spend some time thinking about the contents of it - a few days at least...

saying that, pam's can do both envelopes and lfos and will be more than enough for now and I wouldn't worry too much about having enough vcas - just buy a good quad cascading one for now and see how you get on... by good I mean a mutable veils (or more likely a clone) or an intellijel quad vca

Didn't realize the "loose modules" outside the rack wouldn't show. Not that it matters, I just don't know what I'm looking for when it comes to EGs, FGs, and VCAs. Also, here's a direct link to the rack.

EDITED Mar 11th 2023, 23:35

Really appreciate feedback anyone has.

TL;DR:

1. I have 26hp left for VCAs, other modulation (EGs), and some effects. What am I missing that you would recommend?
2. If I get rid of the Plaits (possibly redundant, as well as the 2HP Mix that lets me hear it), then I have 32hp to work with.

Goals, in order:

1. Single Eurorack case that lets me do drums and a bassline. Maybe one extra voice as a lead, drone, or fx if there's (mixing) room. I like DnB, Techno, Dubstep...
2. $2k budget. I am WAY over this at ~$2.9k (minus Vult Freak, owned already). I see no other way out. I am going to have to beg the wife for forgiveness.
3. Integrate with MacBook, for add'l modulation and/or recording multiple voices at once.
4. Room to expand. I'd love to get a new module every month, not a fan of having to get another case so soon... but I can sell the Caixa in the future, NBD. I'm also a big believer in "constraints breed creativity", so having only 104hp usable is more likely to keep me creative, not less.
5. Aesthetics. Least important requirement... but an all-black rig looks pretty cool, NGL.

Currently own:

1. MacBook w Ableton Live 11 Suite and VCV Rack.
2. Korg SQ-64, Dirtywave M8, and Novation Tracks for external sequencing options.
3. East Beast. Was originally planning on using this in my first Eurorack, didn't realize how much space it took up, almost no room for anything else already...
4. Vult Freak. God I love this filter.

Current Modules Line-up:

1. Caixa 104. Gorgeous case. I already use the built-in modules for most patches in VCV Rack (except balanced inputs), so this is a great deal.
2. PPW, Alan and Enigma are for “portable”/“exploration” modes. If I don’t have a laptop hooked up through ES-8, or the new SQ-64, I can still jam. I LOVE Turing Machine (Alan for less HP), that's the only non-negotiable module in this line-up.
3. I want powerful drums. vpme.de QD sounds amazing. It takes up a huge amount of space though.
4. Manis Iteritas. I like filthy basslines. The Osiris is an alternative; though it's 2hp wider, I love wavetables.
5. Plaits (Knit for 6hp). May remove, see Q's below.
6. Big empty space in the middle is for modulation, see Q's below.
7. Vult Freak. Can operate as two filters at once. Already own this one, so it's going in.
8. 2hp Mix. This is only for add'l voices like Plaits since the built-in mixer only has two (stereo) channels.
9. ES-8. Pricey, but I really want to integrate with VCV Rack and this seems to be the best way. (I have a MOTU M4, but it's in a semi-permanent place in my home studio for my monitors and not a portable option.)

Questions (repeat of above w/ add'l info):

• How many VCA's would you recommend for 104hp? I don't know what I need for modulation. Looked at a ton of options, see the loose modules below the rack. I currently have the 2 built-in Caixa LFOs, Pamela's, and Turing. Definitely need VCAs, how many would you recommend for 104hp? I need 1+ envelope generators too, and definitely want to duck the bass with a VCA. Maths is super popular, but it takes up a lot of room... but if it'll also let me mix in an additional voice, maybe it makes the most sense. It does too many things for me to remember what it's capable of, without ever having played with one in person.
• Should I get rid of plaits? I'd love to have one extra voice, but I already have Manis and QD (and QD is technically 4 voices?), plus the built-in Caixa stereo mixer only has two channels. I threw in the 2hp Mix for this reason but that's another $99 and that's probably too small for performing. Would you chuck it? Removing that and the 2hp Mix frees up 8hp for more modulation space. Or at least future expansion.
• Recommended FX unit that would fit too? There are zero effects. In standalone mode w/o MacBook some stereo spread or light reverb would be nice. Maybe a disting? Those are "menu-divey" but I don't see myself playing with that a lot when jammin'.

Hi Matteo

The 6m0d6 will only respond to MIDI notes D1, A1, D2, C#2, A#1, and F#1. Make sure your MIDI device is not transposing the notes. I’ve done this before without realizing it.

Also, please check that you have maximized the gain on each mixer channel, and also check that you are using the ‘MIX” output to your main mixer. I know this is obvious, but sometimes it’s easy to miss the simple things.

If none of that works, perhaps you could try another MIDI device. I hope you get it sorted out!

PS The 6equencer is a wonderful addition. Once you get to know it, it’s quick and easy to program and chain patterns together.

EDITED Mar 11th 2023, 21:57

My positive point goes to Squarp Instruments. I had a problem with Hermod and send them an email with not too much faith for a response and not only they answer me in a couple of hours with a solution, they told me that of the problem were not fixed, I would send them the module to check it and fixed by themself.
Thats something I love about eurorack and eurorack companys. I'm still waiting for a response from Akai since 10 months.

Wow never thought about asking that to ChatGPT. Great idea! Sometimes working with general terms with ChatGPT could be crazy. What did you exactly ask to ChatGPT to do? Maybe with more specific terms like first row for 1 voice, second row for effects and so on, the result could be more interesting.

Well maybe it's as simple as this. Black text on white (or silver) or white text on black, presents the most contrast and therefore the greatest readability. There is a lot of print in very small font on many panel fronts. The manufacturers are trying to make their products easy to use. Any manufacturer will weigh the relative commercial value of usability versus the attraction of an unusual color scheme. Which is undoubtedly why the trend is away from unusual color schemes.
But don't mind me. I'm just an old fuddydud engineer.

EDITED May 16th 2023, 12:35

there are quite a few quantizers that have 4 channels - Bard Quartet, ADDAC, O&C but not many that will handle 8 - sinfonion, perhaps, but that'll only actually quantize 3-4 channels and generate v/oct for the others...

to be clear this is for pitch (v/oct) quantization only...

time quantization is not really done in modular - usually we use clock dividers and multipliers fed by a steady clock to trigger events at precise points - dividing a fast clock will always be more stable than multiplying, as a divider just counts the clock, whilst a multiplier has to measure the time between 2 clock ticks and then divide that time by the multiplication factor (and if the clock is not so stable it will be off at some point

it's more common that people want to add swing or go slightly off clock to humanise the rhythm - using a vc trigger/gate delay, perhaps

I think it might be a good idea if you created a rack on here and shared it (and also the other studio parts you want to interface with)

Hello,

Anyone using the 6m0d6 via midi?

I am having not luck it. Manual says it should be on channel 10 but no luck, i have also tried with all the other channels. No luck.
Also, manual says it accepts trs standard a and b. I've tried with both, no luck.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
Matteo

I could to take between 4 and 8 Chanel to be large , ideally I want to sync my desktop studio with the modular patch

My main dislike of black panel designs: I can’t see the knobs as well.
-- Kaleidic

It's true. As a pianist, I actually prefer a traditional white (ivory) keyboard with black (ebony) keys than the other way round. It's more 'readable'.

To complete the original topic, black or brown wooden piano cases were often multicoloured in the past on... harpsichords. And they were magnificently painted.

However, with the psychedelic movement, some pianos were repainted in the 60s. One of the most famous is Lennon's (painted by Dutch design collective artists The Fool).

Today, these different trends can be found in synthesizers and modules.

Hello community,

I got the chance to have an early release of Banshee Reach, so I did a complete user manual on video, as usual, in French with captions

My main dislike of black panel designs: (1) I can’t see the knobs as well, and (2) I can’t read the text as well. Tiny knobs and text make Eurorack hard enough as it is. So I’m supposed to use it in a nightclub while it’s styled like a ninja in camouflage? That’s like playing a practical joke on myself. Nevertheless I do buy some dark models. It can’t be the deciding factor for me.

Very interesting. Overwhelming also. Don't have enough time for all that stuff.

I found an interesting book about generative music: ” A Systematic Introduction To Making Generative Music With Modular Synths”.
It is an e-book that can be downloaded for $24.50 here:
https://www.dev.rofilm-media.net/node/331

There is even a volume 2:
https://www.dev.rofilm-media.net/node/467

given the use case - I'm not convinced of the need for the extra vcos
-- JimHowell1970

I think of the Orbit 3 as more of an LFO. It will probably be useful as an extra VCO, but I honestly haven't thought of it that way very much.

The Virt Iter Legio was definitely intended as my third oscillator, and the options for phase modulation and built-in chorus factored into that.

Since the Malevolent's oscillators have four outs a peace, the noise engineering module sets up some great options for layered drones.

I have been thinking of using my Digitakt for reverb, because one of the recent firmwares allows for using that box as an effects processor for other gear. We'll see how that goes, but you are probably right in your suggestion for finding a good reverb module.

Hello,
I’m a big fan of synths and musical equipment, and I’ve always been fascinated by eurorack and modular world in general. Unfortunately I have an ICD (implanted cardioverter defibrillator) since three years, and I’m a little afraid to handle patch cables carrying electricity, even with low voltage and amperage.

My physician say that the risk of interferences with my device handling modular gear should be very low in presence of DC current compared to AC, so the main risk is due to AC leakage current.

So the questions are: there is a way to eliminate this risk of AC leakage currents? There are some recommendations to make an adequate power grounding to avoid any current on external case or panel of modules? It would be better to use a wooden case or an external power supply in example?

It would be nice if someone with my same situation (ICD or Pacemakers), who uses modulars, could share his experience.
Thanks
P.

EDITED Mar 10th 2023, 20:28

a quantizer is a quantizer - intended genre is irrelevant - just like most modules - genre is what you make of it...

how many channels do you want?

an output module may or may not be needed - what are you intending to use for monitoring? an outboard mixer, headphones, powered monitors?

Hey ! I’m waiting my command ! So I have a ghost , a sofia and an ADSR. If you have a piece of advice about appoint Out , or rythm and frequencie quantizer for techno progressive , I m really interested

EDITED Mar 10th 2023, 17:31

I asked ChatGPT to build a rack for ambient music and layout the modules in a way that makes sense for this kind of music.

It seems to get confused with the module sizes, it would say Clouds is 60hp and then say it's 10hp instead, so this layout doesn't match exactly the one ChatGPT suggested. The original rack had six rows and a lot of empty spaces, which is probably a good idea anyway. I limited it to four rows, other than that, I kept the original order.

The ChatGPT training data goes up to 2021, so it doesn't have any knowledge about newer modules. Aside from that, the rack contains many effect modules, which would make sense for ambient music, but it also has some odd choices. I would have never thought of the Atlantis for this kind of rack, and on the other hand, it seems to lack on the VCA and mixer fronts.

I also asked for some patch examples, as some Redit users are reporting having success with that, but it seems to get confused easily and tells me to send signals to the clock inputs on modules that don't have clock inputs or to send an input from one module to the output of another.

Just as it does with any other topic, it seems to make sense at first, it seems legit, but on closer inspection, it's all wrong. And yet, as crazy as it is, it may be worth asking ChaGPT when looking for new ideas, as some of the replies can lead to out-of-the-box thinking. Kind of like Eno's oblique strategies.

thanks... definitely a few modules I'd never seen before!

given the use case - I'm not convinced of the need for the extra vcos - I think I'd have gone more for audio effects - delay, reverb, lofi etc etc not just a single delay and more modulation and utilities...

EDITED Mar 10th 2023, 13:19

1 can you please copy and paste the url of your public rack... it really helps us help you - jpgs are blurry and there's over 10k of modules - when we can see your actual rack we get mouse over and click through etc... I would have done this for you, but your rack is private...
JimHowell1970

I deprivatized the rack and replaced the original link.

I will definitely consider upgrading my rack. I grabbed this one at a very good discount after dealing with 4MS pods.

possibly still component availability issues

1 can you please copy and paste the url of your public rack... it really helps us help you - jpgs are blurry and there's over 10k of modules - when we can see your actual rack we get mouse over and click through etc... I would have done this for you, but your rack is private...

2 get a bigger case - no plan survives meeting the enemy - you will want more/different modules in the future and usually buying a larger rack to start with saves money in the long term - a tiptop mantis is an excellent starter case

EDITED Mar 10th 2023, 00:33

This is a 58hp, 6u case. The purpose of the rack is to provide utility and processing FX for my PWM Malevolent, which has two oscillators, a mixer, a filter, two ADSR envelopes, and two VCAs.

I also have a 0-CTRL, an Erica Matrix Mixer, and a St. Modular Workbench.

Any feedback welcome.

EDITED Mar 10th 2023, 07:06

-BOMBO - MUTANT BD9:
es trigado por circuit --> black midi --> bd9 --> vuelve a circuit para reverb y volumen
-PICO DRUMS: SYNTH
tengo una serie de synth de legowelt (editados, cortos y largos)
recive trig y cv pitch desde circuit --> black midi -->
--> sale con bajo volumen (se configura para que tenga siempre line volume) --> korg nts (para filtro y fx)
-pico drums y black midi, están en un lateral de la case
-ROLAND SH-01A:
está dentro de la case.
Recibe midi desde circuit y envía (thru) hacia black midi
Sale su audio--> circuit para reverb y volumen
-LA VOZ:
Mediante un preamp, entra directamente a fx aid. Podría salir por un atenuador (fuera de la case) para tener volumen
-PLONK:
-es trigado por pico trig (hay 2 pistas, con distintos patterns de 1,2,3 y 4 pulsos)
-recibe CV para cambiar de sonido de malekko
-recibe un LFO cv, de malekko
-RADIO:
-es trigado por pico trig (una redonda, en el 2 del compas)
-recive CV para cambiar el start, desde malekko
-MALEKKO:
-1 lfo para fx aid ? (o quizás pico dsp)
-cv para radio
-1lfo para plonk
-cv para plonk
-plonk, radio --> pico mixer --> pico dsp

EDITED Mar 9th 2023, 11:42

Everything is always sold out?

Today I installed the first modules and made my first patch. Envelope triggering the springreverb. Springreverb into the filter. Lowpass into the mixer. Highpass into the black hole and black hole into the mixer. Sounds realy haunting just what I was looking for. Stroking the spring with my fingers, feedback, I am verry happy! while i was patching away I realized that another mixer with a gain/overdrive (as a sub) would be verry handy.
-- Niemandsland

nice i just got a Tripple sloth,havent put it in my case yet