This has got to be one of the most informative and helpful posts I've ever made and had replies too. Thanks everyone for all the insights, truly helpful and I have been definitely benefitting from all the comments.

One thing I had fun experimenting with is running the output of my Hydrasynth to one track in Ableton, then using the headphone output, I ran that through my Intellijel buffered mult...each output was an input into one of the four CVilization inputs and then each channel on the CVilization had two steps activated...so channel 1 had steps 1 and 5, channel 2 had 2 and 6, etc...each output runs to a different channel on my Cosmix....it created this really cool choppy/wavey sound that I sent to a separate track in Ableton....when I play the two together, it gave some really cool/interesting results. Further fun by switching on/off different channels on the Cosmix.

@farkas and @Garfield Modular - great tips, thank you very much, I'm getting a much better feel for using the envelopes with everything.

The category tags for modules need to be taken with a grain of salt. There is no substitute for reading the manuals and finding out what modules can actually do. Pam's New Workout, for example, is tagged with "Sequencer" and "Envelope Generator", but its capabilities in those two areas are fairly limited (though still useful).

Quite legit, in fact. Maths is a good example...yes, it's capable of being everything it's tagged with, and then some. If you're doing a build that's under 200 hp, searching out the good multifunction modules is pretty important. Just make sure the functionality on those that look interesting isn't TOO dense, which would make it a big PITA to program or tweak.

Our fave virtual Eurorack has stepped up to version 2. Plus, there's now a paid version that's on sale until 1 January 2022 that includes all of the VST architecture and a few other new kinks. Looks really tasty, and I'm planning to kick in the (presently) $99 because that VST capability is something I and a bunch of other people have been waiting for.

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When a module here falls under multiple categories/functions, is that really legit or like, do I have to buy modules with only one function each?

Basically, XODES has developed a little fix for the P vs I issue that involves a bit of size alteration and screw slots instead of fixed holes. So you'd need Daniel's "I" format, A "P" format for Pulplogic format, and perhaps a "U" for these universal panel tiles...?

Granted, I (and a bunch of others, I'm sure) would prefer a single solution, but we got what we got right now.

Just ignore. Don't feed trolls. He'll eventually get tossed off of here with that sort of behavior.

Also since you are brand new to modular, you might want to instead get a basic oscillator VCO module and VCF filter module. That gives you more control and a better understanding of how oscillators and filters work.
-- sacguy71

Not to mention, if you get an identical VCO to the first, you then have the ability to slightly detune one against the other, which results in a much beefier sound. The Odessa is sort of an exception to this, though, in that you can work directly with the harmonic spectra and dial in exactly the timbre you want right there. But Plaits, regular VCOs, and the like definitely benefit from detuning.

It'll definitely cause eardrum damage...because you've not got any VCAs for the audio path, so everything will be direct and at one dynamic level. And Ronin is quite right...this just looks like a dumpster for "sexy" modules that NEED support modules to do what they can/should do.

Before you spend money that'll you'll regret, try the following:

1) Bigger cab. That increases the space needed for support modules. And note: Tiptop Mantis = $335, with 208 hp, already powered and expandable with a second Mantis when the time comes. So, smaller doesn't always mean cheaper.

2) Keep in mind that NOBODY gets their first (second, third, fifteenth, etc) build right.

3) Related to #2 above: this takes time. Quite a bit, if you want to really nail a build. And we're talking months...perhaps even over a year...to finally hone things down so that you have an instrument that is very capable.

4) VCV. Get it. Explore. This FREE Eurorack emulator (with several hundred modules!) will give you some major lessons on how signal paths, utilities, etc are critical to a good build. And they just released v.2, with a LOT of upgrades. https://vcvrack.com/

5) Find some of the better/bigger electronic music names on here, and study their racks. You'll be dealing with synthesists with decades of experience. I, f'rinstance, have 40+ years in on this. And there's lots of others in that zone. And...

6) DON'T replicate small YouTube builds. Ever. Many of those designs are pretty limited, sketchy, or both...because a lot of them have some manufacturer "swag" involved or, in a few specific cases, they're in some sort of relationship with synth retailers. Also, when you run across a YT clip where the presenter's studio looks like some Hollywood set, neat, all that...just remember: a clean desk is a sign of an unproductive worker.

And of course, you took the right step of posting here for advice. The main ones of us on the MG Forums probably have, all combined, about a CENTURY of experience, if not more. Mind you, we'll probably rip these builds up, but in the process you'll learn what works, what doesn't, and why...and after a while, you'll wind up with a serious rig.

Yea these tracks I recorded are really old when I was a total beginner many years ago! But I’m actually working on a modular concept album and thus far most feedback has been positive! Now I’d like to see what actually music and albums this Next_G troll nobody has done? Eh tu Brutus? You are nothing but a sorry and pathetic angry little man who hides behind a keyboard and has zero portfolio or music albums.

FYI, here's the math for calculating cost-per-hp:

Assume that each hp in a Eurorack case is 1/whatever-eth of the entire space amount. So that's, in the case of a Mantis (I know this one off the top of my head), you have a total of 208 hp in a cab that costs $335. So...335/208 = $1.61(ish) per hp.

Next, calculate the amount of hp in a device, then multiply that by the per hp cost. That gives, for a Moog semi, 60 x $1.61 = $96.60 extra.

Then you add that to the cost of the Moog, so $699 + $96.60 = $795.60 for the cost of an M32 PLUS the cost of housing it in a Eurorack case. So, unless you MUST have the M32 in the cab for some logistic reason, it's really not cost-effective, plus you're using 60 hp that modules that DON'T have power or housings now can't use, while the M32 has a case and power already.

+1 on Ronin's advice. Going this small on a starter system is sort of brutal. For one thing, these little "skiff builds" can't substitute for what you can get even with just a second row. Secondly, all you learn with these is a very basic (actually, TOO basic) signal path, and nothing about how supporting modules, etc can up the game of the "usual" modules. The above WILL make sound, sure...but only a fairly basic set with basic programming/playing methods. And you can pretty much forget about duophony, unless you like programming patches with a pair of tweezers on ultra-dense modules with tiny controls.

Seriously, do yourself a solid and get a Mantis. Yeah, it's bigger...but that's the whole point. More space = better ergonomics and a better module complement. And those factors are a big part of whether you can't keep your hands off of the synth...versus letting it gather dust in a corner or closet.

And don't forget: sequencers can do MORE than just CV/g/t stuff. The great example is, of course, the ARP 2500's Mixsequencer, but there's others out there that can sequence through several audio sources; I know that EMW makes one, for instance.

Which just goes to show: there's always several ways to do things in modular!

I forgot to add schneidersladen to my list above - they are great too
-- JimHowell1970

Too true! Schneidersladen is still one of the great modular nexuses...and they carry loads of brands. Probably one of the best, and definitely on par with shops like Noisebug and Perfect Circuit over here.

I have recorded lots of modular songs into a DAW
sacguy71

Do you mean the scratching noises as ModularBen on Soundcloud? I laugh myself broken.

-- Next_G

Come on, man. Don’t you have something better to do than troll a very small community of supportive folks? Music has different sounds and meanings to each of us. What you are doing doesn’t accomplish anything. We will continue to support each other’s interests and growth regardless of this kind of negative energy.

I have recorded lots of modular songs into a DAW
sacguy71

Do you mean the scratching noises as ModularBen on Soundcloud? I laugh myself broken.

Start with the ES8 and think about what is gonna go into each one of the 4 inputs you have then work backwards from there. Think about how many headers you have in your case and make sure you don't go over 80% of your total power and then try to cram in as much as you can if you are one planning on just having 168hp. Most people on here will advise you to get a larger case, the consensus seems to be around 208hp. You can do a lot with 208hp!

You could easily build two really good voices with effects in a 168hp though. If you get the ml2 you can use Ableton Link and do drums in Ableton and this will play in time with your modular. You have 8 outs in your ES8 and you can send a lot of modulation like lfo's and envelopes out from Ableton and plug them into your modules to modulate the crap out of your cv inputs. You'll love that.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/circuit-happy-ml-2

EDITED Dec 3rd 2021, 01:34

Agreeing with Ronin.

Start small, and slow so you can learn what parts do, and what you'll need. I think the big sequencers are a waste if you're at home playing with a keyboard or a computer. That Eloquencer is a monster, and you can use a laptop and the ES-8 to do everything already.
You could start with Plaits as a big complex voice, and ONE module to drive it, Maths, Pams and ES-8 all can do a huge amount of control, and deserve your attention and practice, only after a few weeks you'll decide if you want a sequencer or the envelope generator Quadrax to be in your little rack.

If you're after 'a ton of eardrum damage' you should look at distortions or harsher modules from Schlappi Engineering or Moffenzeef. I don't see any crunchy distortions in your proposed rack.

It seems that you put together a collection of popular modules. But how are they to function as a unit? I would consider this a small rack/case... and it's full of big modules.

Chance, Branches, and NanoRand seem to have lots of overlap in functionality. You have a large sequencer (Eloquencer) plus a small analog-style sequencer in the Verbos module. The Verbos module is redundant. I'd look into a micro Ornament & Crime. It has a sequencer mode that replicates a lot of the Verbos functionality in 8HP. Plus there's the benefit of other functionality like a quantizer.

A precision adder and a unity mixer are a bit redundant as well. I'd pick one. But instead of a unity mixer, I'd invest the HP into a small mixer with attenuators built into the inputs.

Why do you want a pulse counter? Again it's a small build (not recommended) so every HP is important. I'd recommend more space.

Have you considered an output module? VCAs? Dedicated envelope generators? Effects? Additional utilities in addition to the dual attenuverter? I think with this build you might be disappointed if you ordered everything as-is.

Small builds are Rolex watches of modular. You really should be experienced before taking on small builds.

I'm pretty much just going for something compact yet packs a ton of eardrum damage. This will be my first rack by the way. Anything I need or anything that's totally unnecessary?

Hi and welcome,

I highly recommend that you buy a copy of the book Patch and Tweak, read it and download a free software called VCVRack on your computer before you buy anything. That will save you hours of frustration, time and money. Thank me later :-)

Also, since you seem unsure on the complex oscillator choice, perhaps watch videos on these different oscillators on YouTube? DPO is quite different from Piston Honda and so forth. Also since you are brand new to modular, you might want to instead get a basic oscillator VCO module and VCF filter module. That gives you more control and a better understanding of how oscillators and filters work.

Be sure to have something like a "universal" or "hybrid" choice in the list then, and not only IJ/PL!

That is a 1U module that fits in both IJ/PL standards or is this a new third standard?

Something that fits both! A third standard would be nonsense... :)

It would also be nice if there was a way to superimpose 1U (IJ) modules over this series of adapters :

I see that would be useful but that is complicated because of the way the drag/drop collision routine works.

Sure, it looks like it would somehow need another parameter at the module level to allow collisions, or treat this kind of module as "sub racks" in some sort. I get that it may not make sense to make this kind of change only for a handful of adapters though...

There may of course be other adapters that could use this kind of feature, as long as there's also a "rotate module" option! :)

We have rotate module for 180°. People request that for 90° but that is also complicated because the way the optimize rack space routine works. At this point it looks like everything is complicated :-(

Even though this isn't something I personally am after, I was indeed referring to the 90° rotation... just thinking that if collisions were to be allowed with my type of adapters, it would be fair to also have it on others too.

Again, I get that these are not minor changes, it's more a matter of having the possibility to have those virtual racks closer to reality.

Thanks for the input! I will definitely not use the Moog Mother 32 as part of a rack case, I'll use it separately on its own working with the case.
I should've been more clear on what I own.
I own the Prophet Rev2, Op-1, 2 pocket operators, the Moog Mother 32, and the novation mininova.
In terms of types of sounds I want to be able to create, I want to be able to have lots of sources of modulation so that I can create more expressive and flexible sounds. I want to be able to have a live setup that I can modulate on the fly during a performance, and for that to be an easy thing to do in the synth workflow.
-- GavinAnalogSynthsGuy

Expressive, flexible, and easy to use live and on the fly... that's going to be pretty difficult to get from modular. I think you might find that a lot of live playing tries to reduce the complexities where possible. The Plaits and Braids modules, for example, are very popular for live play, because they tend not to need as complex of a set-up having built in quantizing, envelopes, prefabricated sounds, etc.

As Toodee said, there are a lot of utilities that are going to end up in your case to make things work properly. After you're done patching everything up a few times, hunting down problems during a live performance (oops, accidentally knocked that module out of its settings), you'll want to revisit what makes a good live rig versus studio.

$0.02 delivered.

Your first build shouldn't be this small. Small builds add a huge layer of complexity. There isn't any room to expand or fix a problem or modify the build once you've used it for a while.

Small builds that are "good" are much, much easier when you're experienced.

Buy a reasonably sized case like a Mantis, Behringer GO, etc. Try to get your first iteration built using about half of your space. Then as you grow, you can revise your case, push your system in the direction(s) you want to go, and not get stuck with a system that you can't fully utilize.

Of course, you can always buy a second case/rack. But it's a lot cheaper in the long run to just build in a case larger than you need.

Be sure to have something like a "universal" or "hybrid" choice in the list then, and not only IJ/PL!

That is a 1U module that fits in both IJ/PL standards or is this a new third standard?

It would also be nice if there was a way to superimpose 1U (IJ) modules over this series of adapters :

I see that would be useful but that is complicated because of the way the drag/drop collision routine works.

There may of course be other adapters that could use this kind of feature, as long as there's also a "rotate module" option! :)

We have rotate module for 180°. People request that for 90° but that is also complicated because the way the optimize rack space routine works. At this point it looks like everything is complicated :-(

Agree this Next_G clown is a joke and troll.

"You will never record a song in the DAW of that I am sure. You already have problems to operate a simple Eurorack sequencer like Eloquencer, or your pathetic attempts to operate a simple mixer."
-- Next_G

well Next_G you low IQ MORON- I have recorded lots of modular songs into a DAW you JERKOFF Next_G so GFY you dipshit!
Where are your songs and recordings, your modular skills are PATHETIC. So quit slamming me and produce music!

EDITED Dec 2nd 2021, 17:08

You will never record a song in the DAW of that I am sure. You already have problems to operate a simple Eurorack sequencer like Eloquencer, or your pathetic attempts to operate a simple mixer.

-- Next_G

It's pretty sad when this is your first and only post in four years of membership and your only contribution is to try and insult another user. You can do better.

Good explanation Ronin- you can also feed an LFO to the envelope and back to VCA cv inputs.
I use LFO more than sequencer gate to do this but can try some gates from sequencer into envelope.

Ah so helpful! I too am getting my head around how envelopes work with VCAs and filters.

-- sacguy71

I'm going to speak in general terms here... NOT the most accurate.

Your sequencer will output CV and gates. The CV can typically control the pitch of your oscillator. The gate needs some more modules to be effective. TYPICALLY, you'll run the oscillator output to the input of a VCA and then take the output of the VCA and plug it into somewhere you can listen to it. Your VCA can be used just like a volume knob. You'll hear the volume knob called your "bias" knob. You turn up the bias and the oscillator gets louder. You turn it all the way down and you hear nothing.

Now, you can plug the gate output directly into the CV INPUT of the VCA. Every time the VCA receives a gate, you hear the oscillator. But you might notice that the sound isn't very musical. Typical musical sounds have an ENVELOPE. They can be simple envelopes or more complex envelopes... but envelopes. So a typical patch will have an envelope generator being triggered by the sequencer's gate output and the output of the envelope connected to the CV IN of the VCA. Once adjusted, you'll notice that the Envelope Generator makes the audio output much more musical.

More modules might be involved in this, like a filter, effects, etc. I left those out for simplicity.

Audio Path:
Oscillator>VCA>AudioOutput

CV Path (pitch)
Sequencer CV Out>Oscillator 1v/Octave In
CV Path (gate)
Sequencer Gate Out>Envelope Generator>VCA CV In

Support for 1U size format is on the list, this will come.
-- modulargrid

Be sure to have something like a "universal" or "hybrid" choice in the list then, and not only IJ/PL!

It would also be nice if there was a way to superimpose 1U (IJ) modules over this series of adapters :

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/xodes-fc313-24hp

There may of course be other adapters that could use this kind of feature, as long as there's also a "rotate module" option! :)

Support for 1U size format is on the list, this will come.

Greetings,

Just my 2c worth. For utilities I'd consider grabbing an Ornament and Crime. Multiple apps that cover a wide variety of things. Smallish footprint. Pretty easy to navigate. Easy on the checkbook. Checkout SynthDads YouTube channel. He has a great playlist regarding the OC. It was a later addition to my rack cause it jus didn't look all that sexy. I wish I would of had it as one of my first.

With the Batumi I can't recommend any higher of getting the Expert firmware update....it's transformative.

Good Luck

EDITED Dec 2nd 2021, 14:32

Here's another idea. I'm not 100% sure it will work BUT I think it should work and it has a few advantages.

Required modules: i) Mutable Branches (or a similar Bernouli gate) ii) any mult iii) 2 lanes of envelope generation iv) a duo (or greater) VCA.

Setup: i) take your main trigger and mult it to get 2x of the same ii) take your desired audio and mult it to get 2x of the same iii) send your audio to VCAch1, and trigger to ENVch1 then VCAch1 to get the basic, non-accented output with your desired base envelope iv) send the mult trigger to Branches, dial in your desired random weighting (e.g. likelihood of occurrence), send the Branches output to ENVch2 then VCAch2, and the mult audio to VCAch2, that is your "random accent" lane v) dial in the VCA settings for ch1&2 to get your desired balance of accented vs non-accented sound vi) tap the combined audio outputs of ch1&2 to your downstream devices.

Here are the advantages of this type of setup:
a) Branches is a useful module, and not crazy expensive. Plus you probably have enough mults / VCAs already to pull this off, or else it wouldn't hurt you to have a bit more mult and VCA capacity.
b) importantly, this WILL let you dial in to taste the random weighting. Branches is a "coin toss" type module BUT you will be able to control the probability from 0-50% probability by using only one Branches output and setting the weighting control to taste
c) also importantly this gives you direct and full control over the relative levels of your accent vs non-accented sound, and full control over the envelopes of the base vs accented portions. Hence you could modulate any of those envelope parameters for further change and sonic interest
d) hypothetically you could chain this type of setup as much as you want (which would require more channels of Bernouli gates, mults and VCA) so that you have an unaccented lane and 2 (or more) completely different accent lanes running. Practically that would give you some (quantized) gradations of least to most accented notes.
e) this setup could be combined with other techniques (such as those above) to give you as much or as little complexity as you'd like.

Also worth considering instead of Branches (or in addition to it) would be any type of "neuron" or counter module (like EMW Pulse Counter). For example set up 1 counter to fire a trigger on every 3rd trigger input and a 2nd counter to fire a trigger on every 5th output. Then route those triggers similarly to Branches above. That would let you do "Euclidean" accents. A neuron module is generally like a counter but less regular (though it depends on the specific module).

In case you do want to run a few different lanes of accent control signal, THOSE could be routed through something like BossBow2 or Verbos Sequence Selector, hence you would be switching or sequencing different lanes of accents.

And lastly, a totally different option, you could just look for a module with "degree of random" as a built in option, such as Winter Eloquencer.

Interesting question. Hope this helps!

EDITED Dec 2nd 2021, 10:10

Thanks for the input! I will definitely not use the Moog Mother 32 as part of a rack case, I'll use it separately on its own working with the case.
I should've been more clear on what I own.
I own the Prophet Rev2, Op-1, 2 pocket operators, the Moog Mother 32, and the novation mininova.
In terms of types of sounds I want to be able to create, I want to be able to have lots of sources of modulation so that I can create more expressive and flexible sounds. I want to be able to have a live setup that I can modulate on the fly during a performance, and for that to be an easy thing to do in the synth workflow.

Doesn't get any better than this....awesome work!

agree keep the M32 out of the rack. I have a DFAM and it would waste a lot of valuable rack space. I use it stand alone fine.

I'm looking into building a Eurorack setup around the Mother-32,
I don't know exactly what to add or what I really need,
I've looked into Eurorack modules a little bit, but I will obviously continue to do research

Well, that's a bit of a pickle because in order to make suggestions, one would need to know the problem or challenge to address, and you have not worded that at all. Do you feel limited by some aspects of the M32 and if so which ones ? Do you own any other gear ? Why do you want to go the Eurorack route instead of say, a couple of other semi-modular and desktop synths, are those cheaper devices incapable of doing something you like ? What sort of sounds do you hope to achieve ? "really unique and interesting sounds" is pretty much what everyone would say, nobody wants "boring and worn-out" sounds, but what does it mean for YOU ? Usually people like to include example tracks and even sometimes point to an instrument sound at a timestamp in a video.

1. Should I add another Moog semi-modular synth? The Subharmonicon looks really cool.
2. Should I remove anything that I have currently put into the system?
3. Are there any essential types of utility modules that I'm missing here?
4. Is anything in the current system not compatible with the other things going on? Its hard to know what works well with other things.
5. The goal is to be able to create really unique and interesting sounds and to be able to use lots of different sources for modulation. What are the most flexible modules that I could add to this particular setup?
   I know that what I've provided is kinda only a skeleton of a full modular system, but I didn't want to bloat it up with modules that I didn't understand yet.

I agree with jb that planning to put the M32 in the Rackbrute long term would be a waste of money. Same goes for another semi-modular, why not add one if you want, but again, not in the rack if it already has its own.
As I said, I can't really start approaching the other questions (what is missing, utilities - you will need them but which ones, modulation) without you explaining what I refer to at the start, but VCA's, LFO's and mixing are bound to come into play regardless of goals and style, I think.

If you want a randomized gate, a logic module would be nice. An accent might come in the form of a random gate rather than a variable voltage.

The Q-Bit NanoRand seems to have a random gate output you can clock to the gate feeding your ostinato. Patch that gate to a separate envelope generator and then that EG to something like your filter cutoff. Now you quickly sweep the filter as your accent.

The other way involves using a logic module... if your S&H doesn't do random gates. I'll lay that out here for anyone else reading:

You can use your Q-Bit NanoRand to generate a random sample and hold signal. Trigger the S&H with the same gate feeding your envelope generator (assuming you're using an EG for amplitude envelope). Then feed that same gate to one input of your logic module and the S&H output to the other logic input.

The S&H module will spit out a gate only when your original gate is present through the logic gate's "AND" output... when the S&H circuit spits out a voltage that is high enough to register as "TRUE".

You can modify the amount of accents by inserting an attenuverter with an offset... like the Befaco Dual Attenuverter. Offsetting the S&H output higher will increase the likelihood of a gate... setting it lower will reduce the chance of a gate.

Module Rack Track

Users planning big racks sometimes lose track of which modules they have already assigned.
Modules assigned to the current rack now are marked in the My Modules section.
This might be extended to multiple racks in the future.
Module Rack Track is a Unicorn feature.

EDITED Jan 26th 2022, 22:45

Thanks for the kind replies. I spent many hours over the last week just noodling with the Iridium through Microcosm and I'm amazed at how immersive that is. The Iridium reverb is decent, but hook up a Big Sky or Microcosm and it is transformative. Really looking forward to more deeply integrating Iridium with the modular to drive crazy modulation in a more immediate way.

a bit more background would be useful

what is your current recording setup? DAW and audio interface/mixer
do you want to integrate external instruments into your modular?
what sort of music are you intending to produce?
roughly where in the world are you? continent is probably good enough

*Thank you for the feedback!

I currently record my sp-303 and sp-555 and Digitone through my dj mixer (Pioneer djm-800) into my audio interface (scarlet 2i2). Everything goes into Ableton when it's time to record and mix. I have been considering getting a desktop mixer though to better accommodate my instruments.

I think I'd like the option to sequence with the digitone or manipulate samples with the eurorack. I want to make anything from generative ambient to hip hop to industrial. I basically want enough to be flexible. I'm located in NYC

I guess I was hoping to not get a bigger case but this seems to be a solution that keeps coming up haha.

EDITED Dec 1st 2021, 16:01

a bit more background would be useful

what is your current recording setup? DAW and audio interface/mixer
do you want to integrate external instruments into your modular?
what sort of music are you intending to produce?
roughly where in the world are you? continent is probably good enough

some basics to get you started though:
effects could probably be handled quite well by a fx aid xl - replacing the afterneath or adding to it
in a tiny system like this envelopes can probably be handled by Pam's

re utilities:
mutable links is quite useful - it has 3 sections - a buffered mult (primarily for v/oct signals, but can be used for others), a mixer/buffered mult/precision adder, a 3 way mixer
mutable kinks is useful if you can find it - a rectifier (alters the shape of waveforms in various ways), simple logic circuit, sample and hold (with noise source - think semi-random value generator)
if you can't find a kinks then try to find a wmd/ssf toolbox - which has a variety of utilities in 6hp
happy nerding 3*MIA - which is a combination mixer, inverter, offset and attenuator again in 6hp

read through the manuals of all of these modules and try to cover as many of the functions as possible - you probably won't need (or at least won't think you need all of them) right now - but sooner or later you will

disting can cover quite a few - but only 1 at a time! so you can at least have a play with them to get a feel for what they do

smaller modules are not necessarily a good idea - whilst they do enable you to cram more functionality in to a smaller area, there is a huge trade of with ergonomics - often the better solution is (unfortunately) a bigger case

Hey all,

Looking for some recommendations for utilities! This is my first setup, and I still need a good way to integrate into my home recording setup. I bought a small kit with modules included, but quickly realized i needed to make some adjustments to optimize the footprint (84hp). I've added everything silver + the disting, but the envelope, vcf and afterneath I will potentially sell/trade for smaller modules. Any suggestions for getting midi in and a duophonic line out? Other utilities that will best serve my first build?

Thank you!

EDITED Dec 1st 2021, 14:20

actual link to rack - jpgs aren't really a lot of use

I forgot to add schneidersladen to my list above - they are great too

Yeah its just easier to avoid UK, amazon have a weird system that makes ordering from there ok for ireland but only with amazon warehoused stuff, but other shops ive bought from since brexit have been a pot luck as to whether i got screwed with paying way more - had found schneidersladen - seemed like a good collection, good to hear something positive about them to confirm - id been looking on thomann as I said and felt there where some pretty popular modules/brands they didnt stock, like alm etc

Alrighty. What else I do need and what do I need to take out?

EDITED Dec 1st 2021, 13:53

For EU shops:

• SchneidersLaden is my favorite go-to place, great advice, honest pricing and they stock things that are not available anywhere else
• I've had good experiences with synthesizer.gr, good prices and fast delivery, they also have stock for some otherwise hard-to-get modules
• Thomann and MusicStore never really disappointed me but their offering is more limited for Eurorack
• When I need DIY stuff, I get it from Exploding Shed
• Had a terrible experience with Modular Square in Paris, would never buy from them again even with your money

I would not buy from the UK as someone living in the EU, it gets really messy with customs and usually ends up costing more...

Ok thanks, ill check that out - I think for now if I was going to sacrifice anything for the extra 2hp it would be the midi interface - especially at the early stages of the build I can get by with the keysteps cv & gate and even program sequences through Ableton into that - long term I think I can probably get by with something a little simpler. will probably a take a bit of tetris to get both rows figured out - but i think im a fair time away from that - just bought the case and plaits though so I'm on my way :)