but, i would really like yall to answer this:
"could you make music on this if all you had was patch-through cables? use imagination."
i just like designing stuff. i think you could make really unique live performances etc.
peace
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but, i would really like yall to answer this:
"could you make music on this if all you had was patch-through cables? use imagination."
i just like designing stuff. i think you could make really unique live performances etc.
peace
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why is that, noodlehut, because you dont understand what the modules do, they dont fit your style, or because you think this is a flawed arrangement? im curious. etc. ... ...
I don't have any of those modules so I don't understand what they do right now,
but I'm sure they are learnable and can all do something interesting.
A lot of those things in your design aren't available anymore.
And sure, you can play a simple oscillator like a penny whistle and make music.
But filling a box with random complex modules does not make it a performant instrument.
A car with some impressive engines, but no wheels, no gas tank, no transmission, no seats.
How are you going to mix those audio sources? Coordinate the clocks they want? Blend CVs?
There's several stereo modules, but no way to fully mix them and use the functionallity you would be paying for.
What signals are you willing to throw away going from stereo down to mono filters and wavefolders?
Monophonic and/or polyphonic? Stereo and/or mono? End-to-end stereo is expensive to run and always a pain to plan around.
Many of those modules want to be fed envelopes, but in that pic I can't see many envelope generators or LFOs.
There's too many sequencers, with too few voices for them to feed. Maybe pick two at the most.
And again, with the kind of music I think you have in mind, you have to think about your clocks.
They're everything. Will you need clock dividers/multipliers? What's going to be the usual master clock?
Don't forget, you'll also need a distributed shared reset for the sequencers and counters to establish sync on start.
Also, you have to imagine it with patch cords draped all over it, in a live setting, with challenging lighting.
This one seems a mess.
Redo that whole top row. You can't get those 5 voice modules anyway.
Might as well just use a Rossum Assimil8tor or ALM Salmple for drum duties.
But I do like the Moog follower/filter, that's my favorite thing in the rack.
That, and the SIG module above it.
I have a couple of SIG things and their modules are unique and thought provoking.
If this had to be built and made to work, I'd dump that keyboard and fill the space with a NerdSeq and their added I/O.
And an output mixer.
noodlehut.bandcamp.com
thank you for the detailed reply. my previous designs put a lot of effort into cable sensibility and mixing. this time i thought i would just have fun and hard mix everything with patch-throughs. im thinking, a pattern on the first trigger sequencer could be the clock for the second, creating really wild patterns, and other related possible patches. also thinking about running 4 sequence type modules un synched. i dont know anything about triggering resets for performance. yeah, i admit that there are a lack of cv options. its not really even about building this exactly. its maybe more about designing something more standalone that can do the very best of the potential that collection implies, etc. ... ...
im out. bye. ...
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and yeah, i now see that there is no envelope for the swarm, but its really meant more to be a drone kind of thing, anyway, and imho there is the right amount of sequencing, as first two triggers work synergistically, and the swarm could be controlled by the stranger and keyboard simultaneously as a kind of hybrid patch. not sure why you brought up the nerdseq.
((peace))
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(((second edit)))
ok, maybe 4 un synched sequencers and a keyboard is a bit of madness, but i really think you could get some extraordinary results by combining the 1st 2 trigger sequencers in off label ways, and i swear that there does exist a well clocked version that you can still work around, maybe the brainstep being the master clock and then connect everything with patch-throughs...
((((this is my funky patch-through design.))))
peace.
You can get a lot more of that polyrythmic stepping with a Doepfer A-160-2 and it's only 4hp.
You get 8 derivative clocks and its prime number mode makes for very nice repeating patterns
where the cycle repeat isn't evident. Spits triggers or gates. Helpful lights. Comes in black if you want.
Two of them are fantastic for generating interesting, interweaving patterns.
noodlehut.bandcamp.com
thank you for the reply, but i am kind of set right now on 2-4 un synched clocks, and swing in one trigger sequencer glitching a second. maybe, i just want that flexibility.
im trying to execute on something original. how about this: can you imagine, do you see, a self contained offering of the best version of everything this could be, or not, noodle?
and how about the stranger triggering the swarm, using a cv chain for stochastic rate, then playing the scorpion filter on the keyboard over the random chaos, etc. ?
can you see a whole performance using everything even if its more performance art than fully structured linear composition sequence? imagine "tuning" 4 rhythms...
??????
peace
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another point is that you could 'choose' to either drive 4 voices purely from the brainstep, or use the quantizer and the stranger to produce 2+1 different varieties of stochastic voct, and then the 4th voice being the keyboard, as two completely different patch options. isnt that neat?
((peace))
thank you for the reply, but i am kind of set right now on 2-4 un synched clocks, and swing in one trigger sequencer glitching a second. maybe, i just want that flexibility.
im trying to execute on something original. how about this: can you imagine, do you see, a self contained offering of the best version of everything this could be, or not, noodle?
and how about the stranger triggering the swarm, using a cv chain for stochastic rate, then playing the scorpion filter on the keyboard over the random chaos, etc. ?
can you see a whole performance using everything even if its more performance art than fully structured linear composition sequence? imagine "tuning" 4 rhythms...
??????
peace
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another point is that you could 'choose' to either drive 4 voices purely from the brainstep, or use the quantizer and the stranger to produce 2+1 different varieties of stochastic voct, and then the 4th voice being the keyboard, as two completely different patch options. isnt that neat?
((peace))
(2nd edit)
its just, it has 2 potentially decoupled step sequencers, swing, 7 drum voices, 4 full main voice chains, full sequencing options, full stochastic options, a drone element with a ton of texture, a keyboard, a joystick, and even if you use zero external mixing, the ability with patch-through to hard mix down to 2 channels or 1 a macbook could take.
isnt that cool?
(((peace)))
{last edit}
and, you could also get the right interface and mix it live on your daw, or, get the right cable to input hard pan into stereo line in, then after recording, go back and turn it into 2 mono channels, then add a panning pass.
{{i think it works. peace.}}
((((ok, one more edit.))))
if i replaced the pralaya with a pams pro, would that make you happier noodlehut?
then it would be actually buildable im pretty sure. etc.
~peace out~
((ok. i did it. happy??))
You can get a lot more of that polyrythmic stepping with a Doepfer A-160-2 and it's only 4hp.
You get 8 derivative clocks and its prime number mode makes for very nice repeating patterns
where the cycle repeat isn't evident. Spits triggers or gates. Helpful lights. Comes in black if you want.
Two of them are fantastic for generating interesting, interweaving patterns.
-- noodle_hut
Don't waste time with singular_sound. He is just a rage baiter with desperate needs for attention.
Hey man, it's been over a year of you posting on this forum and the trajectory is always this:
You post maximalist fantasy racks that you designed with no experience whatsoever, referencing JunkieXL and other creators with huge setups (who 1.) were most likely professional musicians/producers with years or decades of experience before they dove into Eurorack and 2.) started with smaller, self-contained setups or respected the well-documented best practices that veteran users of this forum always point to). You accompany the rack with an unstructured blurb about how conceptual and deep the setup would be and ask for feedback.
First issue: You are specifically prompting users to imagine how it would feel playing your setup. When they tell you it wouldn't feel good to them personally because it lacks basic elements of a modular, such as utilities, and has way too many voices to manage, you reply that it totally makes sense in your head and that your concepts is great, actually. Case in point in this particular thread: unsynced discrete clock sources for different drum modules and mixing via "patch throughs" (I assume you mean stackable cables?). That may sound radical and idiosyncratic to you, but anyone who tried commiting their music to hard drive will tell you that it blows because it takes all the control of a sophisticated audio setup away from you.
When users analyze your systems, they invest a lot of time and effort. You provide little information about signal flow, voice allocation, solutions for interfacing with your other studio gear, etc., so they are essentially flying blind and try to read the tea leaves of your megastructure concepts.
Second issue: The users that are kind enough to respond and make suggestions for manageable, scope-limited setups that might fit your desires, you bombard with replies without engaging with their arguments beyond "Noted, but I like my idea better". You then post more thrown-together rack designs and come across as combative by commenting along the lines of "I made this one just for you, user XYZ". That reads as so massively disingenuous and facetious that the thread often goes cold after that. You swear that you don't start arguments and feel wrongly antagonized, but I stg THIS is why no one wants to engage with you more than once.
You are an avid user of AI chatbots and would like that functionality to be added to this website. Until then you treat the other users as if they were an AI agent. You're all take, no give. You expect to be engaged with, to have your scatter-brained ideas be discussed seriously, but you don't make the cognitive effort to respond in a structured and respectful manner to well-meaning comments. You build modular cloud castles in manic bursts of unchanneled creativity, but never have to reconcile your grand ideas with the financial and technical reality of purchasing and using one.
Third and final issue: There has been zero improvement or progress on your part. Your first post in May of 2024 reflected how almost every newcomer approaches Eurorack setups: A mega powerful, but ultimately impractical machine that does everything. That's absolutely excusable - I was mesmerized by the seemingly infinite possibilities of modular in the beginning, too. I theory-crafted wall-spanning racks with the most esoteric and stimulating sound sources. But over a year later and after many paragraphs dedicated to teaching you the basics of modular design, you still post the same kind of setup and you post in the same solipsistic manner - "edits" to previous posts contain the entire previous post, making the thread virtually unreadable, you ask other users if /cobbled-together rack or addition XYZ/ makes them happy, your "peace" shtick - the list of grievances I have with your style is long. Mostly, it displays a contempt for the opinion and expertise of others. You don't want a forum to engage with respectfully and on equal footing, you want an audience of adoring and always approving sycophants.
You will not find that here. Make good on your promise and leave.
that wasnt a nice comment, europa. im trying to achieve something conceptual. should eurorack just never be conceptual and always just about practicality? fine. i am leaving forever. bye bye bye bye bye, etc. ...
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i came here trying to complete a concept, and, i just did that, so i really can "leave".
bye
final post by me:
i just got claude to defend my design.
this is what it said:
...
MOD EDIT: deleted AI slop
peace
i dont remember you teataine.
how about you answer the thread question.
could you make music with my design?
all i wanted to do was just share designs.
peace
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What's a patch-through cable?
apparently, the designated terminology is "stackable cable". its a cable that after you patch it, you can still patch through it. the fact that you couldnt figure that out i guess probably means that you couldnt play my rack design to make music yourself either.
huh?
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on this design, there isnt enough mixing unless you hard "stack" the 5 kls, and then also the 4 bitboys 2 at a time, as well as clocking being more convenient if you stack everything off the brainstep output. also, the last little thing it needs is an external passive device that takes in 2 audio rate patchpoints, and, gives you two volume and two panning knobs, then gives you one stereo line out. ...
other than that, everything can be patched normally. i looked over your profile. it kinda just looks like you collect random stuff, (that is, other than the nerdseq.) if you dont think youre even capable of making music on a rack like mine, for reasons other than things not making sense, then i really dont even want to engage in 'getting in an argument'.
((peace))
and then, i found this case,
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/doepfer-a-100pms12.html
which would give me 4 3u x 168hp space,
so i designed this extra bit, to fill out everything that is actually possible.
any final comments? peace. ... ... ... ...
What do you mean by "make music"?
i mean, either:
make organized sound that is pleasing to yourself.
make organized sound that you think would convey a message to an audience.
or
.
could you do this with the first 400hp?
peace
this place sucks. im out. bye.
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also, larsech, trolls make you pay money to cross their bridge. i am giving away designs for free.
peace
Well, that happened again.
hey zacksname, why dont you like my designs? youre acidtonic, right? based on your last 3 video uploads, your designs dont seem to be working out properly. all i want is the minimum level of respect. "bye"
Who is acidtonic and why do you think they are me?
this is acidtonic, and i think they are you because you are called zacks name, and their skiff has a wood block that says 'zack' above it, and the 'two of you' seem to share identical philosophy around eurorack, etc.
Well, that happened again.
-- Zacksname@Zacksname
Do not feed the troll, please-- Larsech
Who are you?
im a chaos magician, ghost executive producer, and ideas guy, i play guitar, was classically trained in piano, and have composed for broadway. WHO THE FUCK ATE YOU? (noodle_hut was the only user who actually took my thread seriously and answered the main question like yall were supposed to.) ((im also a yo-yo hobbiest and consciousness resesrcher, as well as the fact that i have made contributions to a.i. etc.))
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(((also, i have created about roughly 5 roughly 5 star dishes, as a chef, have a finished manuscript for a novel about an ai that gains full consciousness that i cant get published, as well as that i have founded my own religion that has beed starved for the funding to grow for twenty years, now.)))
just thought i would add those details.
peace
hey zacksname, before you even ask, why dont i just tell you what i have done:
as a chaos magician, i literally cant talk about the things i have done, but it has been significant. as a ghost executive producer, i have worked with: post malone, lil yachty, billie eilish, high contrast, caravan palace, the smile, james blake, mutemath, and others. as an ideas guy, i have literally done too many things to mention. my contribution to the field of a.i. was the transformer architecture, making me the only human who fully understands how it works. here is my most recent recipe:
MOD EDIT: deleted AI slop
if you provide me with an email, i will send you a pdf of the manuscript for my novel. also, i was diagnosed with schizophrenia. i shouldnt have to tell you all my diagnoses to get the proper amount of respect. i have answered every single one of your questions. you have not answered a single one of mine. the way you only ask questions and never answer them is kind of nasty, like youre some sort of sex pervert or something.
also, im a hacker and control things behind the scenes at google alphabet and elsewhere.
peace. out. ✌️🥸✌️
did you know that the peace symbol was actually created by aliester crowley right before the end of wwii? it actually means: we will drop 2 nukes, and then there will be no need for war after that. ever wonder why hippies always want to 'fight' against the establishment? its because the notion of peace has had a self defense component built into it from the very very begining.
~~peace~~
I can't really imagine how a ban is not appropriate here. If they aren't going to be banned, then I guess that means they're allowed to do this in a context where we can respond freely.
all i did was answer your questions.
all you did was avoid mine.
check the fucking logs.
peace out dude zack.
hey yall, i just invented a new oscillator module, just as a present for the forum.
what else do yall even want from me?
peace
One day I will locate you and take all your organ projections away and you will be forced to reckon with the fact that you are incapable of producing anything of value if you can't outsource the creative labor to a computational supercluster.
i just dont get why youre being mean.
it doesnt make sense to me.
i made 1 or 2 jokes, sorry??
peace
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im sorry if i hurt your feelings, the new europa. i really will leave forever now. i just wanted to share some designs because i thought somebody might like them, not to start a bunch of fights. im used to friendly open comedy forums and this place takes itself too seriously. tadyatha om baishaje.
also
without any digital technology whatsoever,
i could still yo yo, so,
im not afraid of you, and i dont think its cool
to come off as mean
on an open public internet forum, imo. ... ... .
peace 🥦🥦🥦🥦🎃
its not always a good idea to give out private information on a public forum. you could have asked more casual and less pointed questions.
and, i answered literally every single one of your questions. you literally did not answer one single one of mine. you are a coward. ...
peace 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸
You asked "can this make music".
I answered your question directly and honestly, no, it's a mess.
You asked why and I told you many reasons, honestly trying to inform.
Didn't listen a bit, and instead gave back some nonsense bs about your artistic intent.
Then you start sea-lioning the thread members.
I am disappointed that you're only a poseur,
and that I spent valuable time on replying to you.
I suspected you were, but I forget myself sometimes.
You're just a clueless dummy, wasting our time, and we all know it, sonny.
noodlehut.bandcamp.com
Singular, here's what 'planned' can look like.
The main difference between this configuration and yours?
Mine's real, in the other room right now, making music.
noodlehut.bandcamp.com
I can't really imagine how a ban is not appropriate here. If they aren't going to be banned, then I guess that means they're allowed to do this in a context where we can respond freely.
-- ZacksnameWhile we wait for admins to intervene, it is just as effective to not fall for his bait and ignore his posts
Please, do not feed the troll.
-- Larsech
We don't have a reliable tool to prevent a user to create multiple accounts because that would need invasive tracking.
I trust MG users to have enough internet experience to know how to counter trolls with boredom.
@singular_sound In fact you are close to a ban. Stop the trash posts and AI slop.
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