Thanks @gesta reliable and fast seller in shipping! Great module pico seq!

bought a three sisters from @lejad , he's the perfect seller. good communication & solid packing. recommended!!

Making a module unlisted by default is a good idea, I am very sympathetic to this idea.

wings io

Can anyone be of help in syncing the Sub 37 arpeggiator to a modular system?

Currently using Pamela's New Workout as a master clock. I am triggering 2 Pico Drum units with this, and would also like to use this to control the tempo of the Sub 37 arp. Since the Sub 37 has minimal CV in's, I am running PNW -> Doepfer 192-2 -> MIDI out --> MIDI in on Sub 37.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Bought two modules from @lucoli from italy. After the payment (it was a fair price) he started the shipping, and within a week i had the package. Friendly person, gives good and honest info about his products. I would buy from him again.

Hi guys,
I'm searching an expansion board for the Piston Honda MkI anyone know where I can still found one or want to sell only the expansion board?

Thank you
M.

Recording (somewhat monotonous, but good to capture the patch nonetheless. They can't all be winners.)

Colour Scheme

• no specific colour scheme was used here, unfortunately

Peaks Settings

• Expert Mode: TAP LFO + ENV ADSR
• OUT1 Triggers OUT2 but the depth of this relationship is attenuated by M32 VC MIX

Disting Settings

F5 Algorithm: Shift Register Random CVs
- Z knob is at centre

Tempi Settings

• CH.1 x2 w/ Phase offset forward (Variable Clock Multiplier Fine)
• CH. 2 x3

Planar 2 Settings

• Recorded Joystick movement: quite erratic mostly horizontal motion
• X out goes to the Modify Input (Y) on Disting F5 algo (Shift Register Random CVs), so that the bit in the shift register flips when a Gate is sensed from the Planar 2

Oi Rurt. Sim, eu falo português. Qualquer ajuda que precises, avisa

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Hi guys,
over the past few months i have started getting more and more into modular synthesizers. I have started trying to get into this incredibly complex and wonderful world.
Now im planning on building a small system myself and i would like to get some of your thoughts on this rack.
What im trying to achieve is some kind of dual voice ambient machine. With Rings doing the main melodic work i think maybe 4ms SMR would be a nice addition for doing chords/droney sounds.
Please let me know what you think about this rack and if something is missing. I have no experience in rack building so any feedback would be amazing.
IMPORTANT: Planning to use an external Sequencer. Something along the lines of a Korg Electribe or Monome Grid (Ansible running Kria)

Have a great day :)

Hi everyone!

I'm almost completing the my first two rows and having a lot of fun with it. Now I'm a bit lost in the widness of choices that I have. As you can see I still have 14hp left and I'm not sure about the next step. I was thinking in buying another oscillator (the wiard one or the E350, not so sure yet).

I might also sell my mixer that takes too much space, as I have an external one... I would also like to have a joystick, seem to be quite fun!

Any advice is welcome :)!
Thanks!

That's not a proper power supply, btw. That power inlet was discontinued by Doepfer a loooooong time ago. Also, in a build of this size, you need to do two important things.

1) see how much of the functionality can be shrunk down by using multifunction modules. For example, you have four LFOs in a total of 32 hp. This isn't a very efficient use of panel space. If you were to use, say, two Xaoc Batumis and a 4ms QPLFO, that also comes out to 32 hp...but gives you 12 LFOs to work with. Now, that many LFOs might not work for you, but it indicates that you could easily jam all four LFOs into a mere ten or twelve hp instead and open up room for more possibilities (like more VCAs, for example).

2) collect your module functions. Put all the VCOs in one area, all the LFOs, EGs, etc. This makes a build way easier to navigate, especially for live performance work. Right now, this build is pretty hodge-podged, and while that might make sense in a studio setting, if you ever perform live with this system as it currently stands, you won't have a lot of fun.

The other thing is something that Dom78 touches on: discontinued modules. I see four in this build right off the bat. Always keep an eye out for status markers here on MG that indicate a module is discontinued. But even with that, also check to see if a manufacturer has a "mk 2" version of something, such as that Intellijel waveshaper; there's been a second version of that on the market for about five years, and when manufacturers issue these newer versions you can generally assume that the original isn't being manufactured anymore. It's quite rare to see a "mk 1" and "mk 2" of a module on sale simultaneously. Now, not everything in MG is properly marked...while this site is considered the 'standard reference' for synthesizer modules, its user-driven aspect doesn't always mean that the precise correct info gets on here, and if no one corrects errors when they turn up, things stay like that. So when you arrive at a build that seems to work for you, checking the module availability with vendor websites is a must.
As to why the 'obsolete' modules are on here...well, that again goes back to MG being that 'standard reference'. The idea is to have the 'obsolete' modules as well because someone might have them in their rig or have found some in the used market, and they'd like to see how they might fit in their own system build.

One other thing I would suggest doing: start with a rack that you think is "too big". If you have 2 x 84 hp, try 104 hp or 126 hp out for starters. It's easy enough to scale back, and MG is the perfect place to sandbox ideas until you have something that feels like it would work as a real device. Plus, don't aim for the perfect build on the first try...or the tenth...or 100th. Just create, and watch for areas in a build that have a good 'feel' to them, then make a note of that and repeat what worked in the next iteration. By honing down your eventual physical build in this way, you will save a lot of time, money, headaches, and even learn quite a bit in the process.

Thanks for the tips!

First use of the "sketch a patch" option on here.

Plaits in in Chord Mode.
Rene is quantized to C, G, A (only one octave).
Dixie is on octave 3.

Switched between Standard and Sum envelope outs on Maths.

Enjoy!

Thanks Lugia, I was hoping you’d recommend that- I think I could happily while away many an hour just tuning the oscillators on the Quadnic.

More a bug test than a comment ...

Start next with the top row's modules. These are your audio sources and modifiers, so getting those in place and then building up the modulators (row 2) and the rest of the sequencing can go along at a somewhat slower pace. But having your sources assembled should give you a good idea as to what proceeding along these lines will do.

Wow! Thank you for taking the time and effort to put that together for me. Not a build that’s going to happen over night though, Pamela and the Mixology have got to be next in my mind but where would you focus your attention next?

Doepfer A-151 or Manhattan Analog Mix would make good potential swaps for Links.

I did some work on this, along with your explanations of what you're trying to do. This should be suitable...

The bottom row is your control surfaces: Melody Mill, Mixology, an added joystick, and your stereo out. But you'll notice that, first, there IS a joystick and the output isn't the WMD. Here's why: first, having an extra control for expression, making global changes, and the like is pretty important. I went with a joystick here because it's a bit easier to flick around when playing other instruments. And the Happy Nerding output has the extra plus of an extra stereo pair that can be mixed in with the fixed-level input. That one's useful because, if you look just above it, there's a send-return module, which sends one mono signal and returns a stereo pair. With this, you can put an external processor into the mix as a parallel process.

Next row...multiple, Metropolis (keep that), then a Shifty, your ARP, and a Malekko setup with the Varigate4+ and Voltage Block. The Erica DSP is next to this and the aforementioned send-return next to that, located so that they're convenient to the mixer's AUX i/o and the main output. The Shifty is an analog shift register, which is a variation on a sample and hold that, each time it receives a clock pulse, shifts the stored voltage on one output to the next while loading a new one, and does this X4. This can also build up different sorts of arpeggiations, intricate hocket patterns, etc depending on how you decide to patch it up and makes an interesting tandem with the ARP. The Varigate4+ got added to give you memory for the Voltage Block plus some better/more complex control functions over that module.

Above that is modulation and VCAs. I added the Pexp-1 for the Pamela's to send clocking out from that via either MIDI or DINsync, which makes it easier to run the Pamela's as a master clock for the entire rig instead of just the modular. And yes, the Pamela's is a good choice with envelopes, LFO sync, sequencer clocking, and quite a bit more. The next two modules are Doepfer A-171-2s, which are clones of the Serge VCS (and which also are half of a Maths) and can work as a lot of different modulation sources. They're extremely versatile. The Contour gives you four loopable AR envelopes, which means they can function either as EGs or user-defineable-waveform LFOs. Four more conventional ADSRs are after that, then you'll find an Erogenous Tones VC8, which works both as eight separate linear VCAs or as two sets of four into one mixers with VCA control. These are DC-coupled, which will let them work equally well on CVs as well as audio. Last up, another mult.

Top row: two Quadnics, then four of the 2hp Plucks. This gives you three signals per 'voice' in a four-part paraphonic-type configuration, but also allows for a lot more. Next to that is a dual ring modulator, then two different Ladik waveshaping modules. After this are two Bubblesound mixers that can either be configured as 6 -> 1 or two 3 -> 1s, as needed. These can work for either the audio or CV, as the mixer is DC-coupled. Four of the Erica Drums are next, plus another mixer to combine these as well as have a free 2 -> 1 mixer as needed. Then the filters: a more conventional Doepfer state-variable, and a Happy Nerding state-variable that offers some rather different filter curves.

This is how I'd proceed, given the elements you said you wanted to leave in the original build plus the sort of usage you mentioned. Note also that the Moogs are not in here; they really do belong in their own cases as they take up quite a bit of valuable Eurorack space and, also, they don't exactly conform to all of the Eurorack 'standards' when it comes to CVs and such. Also, with the Pexp-1, you can lock them via a MIDI clock from the Pam's and not worry about taking up any of your gate/trig outputs. All in all, not a bad setup...

[FYI: the ModularGrid picture-mangling software seems to be working optimally once more, and I had to engage in a bit of a struggle to get (I hope) the right image up. If you see two VCF modules in the upper-right corner, then you're looking at the actual final version.]

EDITED Nov 24th 2018, 23:56

No worries, just to clarify though I meant keep the Mother free standing and have the full 84hp free. Enjoy the M32- if you haven’t already check out Loopop’s YouTube videos on it, really good for getting the most out of it.

That’s exactly what I did a few months back, I bought a dfam,the three tier and the 60hp case and thought that’ll do. I filled it pretty quick and a Metropolis on eBay soon meant I had to take out all but one module and leave them on the shelf until I’d chosen and sourced a new case. Rings and Plaits really interested me too but it was the Karplus Strong sounds that I was after and I got those in 2hp thanks to pluck. I would get a mixer as routing any signal through the M32 means it get’s filtered, the LFO applied etc, there are ways around this but they’re a pain. I’ve not had an issue with voltages so far but Erica do the M-scale specifically for this. My Metropolis purchase probably answers your sequencer question, the M32’s isn’t the most intuitive sequencer due to the lack of visual feedback and the number of shift commands, multi button simultaneous presses and LED combinations to remember. A Pamela’s new workout is next on the list and I wish it had been a first purchase when the funds were available so I’d definitely get a good dividing clock generator and modulator in there sooner rather than later. My biggest regret is the 60hp case though, not that I mightn’t have added it at a later date when I had a better idea of how to fill it for maximum efficiency, but starting out get the most HP you can for your money, the Moog case and stands ain’t cheap for what they are. You’ll get 84hp, power and adapter with the tip-top happy endings for fractionally more than the Moog gear, I went with the u-Zeus and was a bit miffed to discover It didn’t come with the wallwart- another 20 quid and three day wait to get up and running and immediately wished I’d gone with the happy endings. Hope that helps.
-- Dom78

Wow, tons of knowledge here! I'm gonna have to read through this a few more times and take some notes, haha.

If I went with the Happy Ending, that would mean the Mother 32 would have to live outside the rack, or else I would just have 24hp left to play with. Not the end of the world, but I would prefer if everything was condensed into one case.

It's looking like I'll be picking up the Mother 32 today and I'll hold off on a case for now until I do more research. I was originally married to the idea because one guy was selling the M-32 with the two-tier case as a pretty good package deal. But luckily, a local music store has a bunch of used M-32's on for cheap due to Black Friday.

Thanks again for your help!

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So wouldn't it make more sense to default it to unlisted?
-- reidv

We have that now.

• Make "Show other/unknown Modules" unchecked by default
  -- nutritionalzero

We had that some time ago with the result of users uploading duplicates because they thought the modules where not already in the database. Since we now also have an auto-module search in the upload form, it's worth to try again: I have unchecked "Show other/unknown Modules" by default.

but then one runs into the issue of modules that are definitely available but not labelled as such.
-- Lugia

Yes, that is a problem because we added that label late. Clumsy named: property unassigned shows the modules witch don't have a Product Lifecycle assigned. A thing to fix in cold winter evenings.

That’s exactly what I did a few months back, I bought a dfam,the three tier and the 60hp case and thought that’ll do. I filled it pretty quick and a Metropolis on eBay soon meant I had to take out all but one module and leave them on the shelf until I’d chosen and sourced a new case. Rings and Plaits really interested me too but it was the Karplus Strong sounds that I was after and I got those in 2hp thanks to pluck. I would get a mixer as routing any signal through the M32 means it get’s filtered, the LFO applied etc, there are ways around this but they’re a pain. I’ve not had an issue with voltages so far but Erica do the M-scale specifically for this. My Metropolis purchase probably answers your sequencer question, the M32’s isn’t the most intuitive sequencer due to the lack of visual feedback and the number of shift commands, multi button simultaneous presses and LED combinations to remember. A Pamela’s new workout is next on the list and I wish it had been a first purchase when the funds were available so I’d definitely get a good dividing clock generator and modulator in there sooner rather than later. My biggest regret is the 60hp case though, not that I mightn’t have added it at a later date when I had a better idea of how to fill it for maximum efficiency, but starting out get the most HP you can for your money, the Moog case and stands ain’t cheap for what they are. You’ll get 84hp, power and adapter with the tip-top happy endings for fractionally more than the Moog gear, I went with the u-Zeus and was a bit miffed to discover It didn’t come with the wallwart- another 20 quid and three day wait to get up and running and immediately wished I’d gone with the happy endings. Hope that helps.

EDITED Nov 24th 2018, 08:16

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Hey all,

I’ve been messing a lot with VCV Rack lately and I think it’s time for me to dip my toes into the world of eurorack. I told myself I wouldn’t let myself get into this but I’ve been selling a lot of guitar pedals lately so I have some funds kicking around. I’ll give you some background and then I’ll get to the questions that are bugging me at the moment:

So far, it’s looking like it will be based on a Mother 32, due to there being a few available on local classifieds and I like the two-tier rack that is sold just for them. The 60hp size also feels like a good amount to work with for a beginner. Another plus is that I own a Sub Phatty, so I’m familiar with Moog interfaces.

I’ll need a power supply of some sort, I’ve been looking at the Tip Top uZeus and the 4ms Row Power. Some other modules that have piqued my interest are the Make Noise Maths, the Expert Sleepers Distings mk4, and almost all of the Mutable lineup (especially Rings and Plaits!).

Now, here are some of the questions I have:

-Based on this setup, are there any shortcomings I’ll need to deal with?

-Are there any modules that you feel compliment Mother 32 well?

-I’ve read that most of the in’s and out’s of the Mother 32 are MAX +5/-5V, what would be the best way to prevent other modules from sending too much voltage?

-Is it worth getting a mixer module or is it most likely that i’ll be routing everything through the output of the Mother 32?

-Is it worth having an external sequencer? There’s a Korg SQ-1 and a Arturia BeatStep available on my local classifieds at the moment.

-If you had a Mother 32 and a spare 60hp to work with, how would you fill it and why?

Any help with the questions above would be appreciated greatly. Thanks in advance!

EDITED Nov 24th 2018, 07:40

Do we also post bad traders here? ruthmos totally ripped me off. Sent him money in May for an Cwejman ADSR and never could track it. Got a couple notes that he was drunk and would fix it the next day...eventually responses stopped coming. Now I see his username is deleted / disabled.

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Fabrice

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I’m pretty new at this myself but you’ve got a few discontinued modules there and others that will be equally hard to source including the Thomas Henry LFO and the buffered mult - both of which are quite large and there are plenty of slimmer options.I’d definitely invest in a larger more versatile sequencer with the extra space, I’ve got a 2hp pluck which is fantastic at the size and price for karplus strong sounds which might be a really useful voice for the kind of music you want to make and also a 2hp arp- also good but the two mini pots are, how shall I say- overstretched for the functionality and control required so I think the seq would be a bit frustrating to use, a good unit if you desperately need a another basic sequencer and are really struggling for space but probably not a first choice primary sequencer.

Hey people,

this is my first rack. Getting started with modular synths. Loving it (and terrified).
Deliberately keeping the modules relatively simple. I prefer to get the hang of analog vc-control down first before diving into complex, digital modules.

So far, what I think I'd like to change about this set up is:
- adding VC-controlled LFO's
- adding other filters

I would appreciate any advice on how to (economically ;) improve this system. What are your thoughts on the modules I have in here and which ones would you swap out first? If you had to add one or two, which ones would you choose?

Re sounds: I love ambient soundscapes, drone-type and minimal sounds. I don't like rave / chaos / 4-4 house.

Thanks!

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Thanks for the Qubit tip- I think that’s the way I’ll go, and scrap my sequencer ideas-the voltage block seems to do exactly what I’m looking for ie subtly shifting harmonies but in a pretty small footprint, the note entry seems a bit clumsy but looks like it might yield plenty of happy accidents though.

Thanks Lugia, the build is basically finished, adding Pamela as a clock and modulation source, the Quadnic and couple more quick intuitive sequencers( a pair of stepper acids perhaps or even a another pair of Metropoli - is that the plural of Metropolis?)at some point and ditching the Chord is as far as it’s going ( ha ha). The Moogs are still separate but just put in the rack for the purposes of the thread. I just realised I missed out what is actually quite a key component- a WMD Pro out so I’ve got no issues with the line out so far, the rack is going into an external mixer basically to provide a soundscape/rhythm section for a Voyager OS and Sub37, theremin and guitar- the Pittsburgh mixer appealed because I can run the guitar via a UA Oxbox into the modular system and share guitar pedals between the synth and guitar as well as being able to mess with the guitar signal. The automation thing isn’t critical on the mixer as pretty much as soon as I plugged Frames in I realised it’s like programming- and I HATE programming! Your point about VCAs, envelope generators and LFOs is taken on board, I’m just a bit lost as to the best way to go in this area- just discovered the joy of sending the LFO square and triangle from the M32 to the aux inputs of the Metropolis controlling the 2hp pluck and realised how much they open up the potential of a system, as to envelopes- could an ADSR module be easily synced or triggered with my existing set up plus Pamela?

Looking at the build pic and reading what you're trying to do here, I think that the Frames is a poor choice with as few modulation sources as your build has. Also, the Pittsburgh...while it's a good mixer...won't do what you want, either. And as for attenuating the output (which I'm a bit confused about your description of here), it doesn't matter what mixer you use, you have to attenuate an output to a line-level input because synth-level signals are quite a bit hotter than regular line-level.

If I were facing the same problem, I would first go with a different mixer altogether, namely one which has its main functions under CV control, but which doesn't have extra complexities. The Frames is really more intended as an audio signal "morpher" than just a mixer, and the Pitt module isn't as automated. Instead of either one, have a look instead at Qu-bit's Mixology, which is a four-channel mixer with CV over channel level, pan, and effect send and the additional utility of channel mutes and solos.

BUT...and this is pretty critical for making a build succeed overall...you desperately need more modulation sources. I don't see any additional EGs or LFOs, which are major bread-n-butter modules in of themselves, that can be dedicated to envelopes for your level VCAs or effect send VCAs or LFOs for panning and most everything as well. Plus, even with this different mixer, you will still need some sort of output level attenuator/control to keep from running your mixer input into immediate distortion.

At the basic level, this isn't a good build at all. Your Moog devices really should stay in their own OEM cabs if you're building in 84 hp cabs, otherwise they're hogging space that needs to be there for other things. There are no VCAs (linear or exponential) outside of the Moogs, nor any LFOs or envelope generators beyond what the Moogs offer. I would strongly suggest that you stop what you're doing with this, step back, and take some time examining other builds by experienced users as well as classic modular/patchable instruments to see what those people or companies are/were doing. Take some time to go through the forums here, also, plus at other sites such as Muff Wiggler, Synthtopia, etc to get a more concrete idea of how to proceed. Do the very necessary research before continuing, because modular can be a very effective way to create...but conversely, a very effective hole down which money gets uselessly thrown if one has no clear idea of what they're doing. Sure, they look cool and all, which is why a lot of people right now are drooling over them, but without a clear understanding of what you're doing and why you're doing it when creating a build, it doesn't matter how cool it is, it'll just be a waste of your time and money.

Also, perfect dealings with @joeSeggiola and @easyskywalker sorry for the late feedback!

Bought a couple of modules from @lucoli awesome condition and a nice guy to deal with A+ recommended seller!

That would make me very nervous unless there's a really good explanation for this. Did anyone ever encounter something like this that turned out to be 'legit?'

This is not the portable but looks so good. Make noise and Erica have the good collaboration. I am wondering this monster case of the portable 7U make noise case or Erica's portable case.... Difficult to decide now.

experimental quadraphonic atonal generative system

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Evening modular people, fairly new to eurorack so need a bit of advice. I bought Frames as a mixer because the key frame idea appealed to me, being able to fade in one source or sequence as you lose two and leave another more or less dominant in the mix with the turn of one knob sounded great on paper. In practice it is a bit clumsy and setting the levels up how you want is pretty hit and miss, it also can’t be used on fly at all unless you’ve got two separate systems running in tandem so I’m left with essentially a quite expensive 4 channel mixer. I appreciate it can do the same trick with CVs and has other hidden depths but at this stage that’s not what i’m after, saving grace it has a really crackly pot so can be returned BUT - do I need the VCA/attenuator element of the module? I’m thinking of exchanging it for the Pittsburgh Modular system interface which offers me some much more practical useful features in a mixer but will I need to purchase VCAs to get decent levels out? I should add the modules on the far right are not part of the setup but the next purchases to be made from the ever expanding wish list. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks @Plexusgel for dual adsr. Very fast shipping and perfect module!

Thanks @lucoli for Maths great module, perfect condition and fast shipping!

Well I am thinking about the voltage block instead of the Z8000 a lot. Z8000 really is big... Voltage block is not really a matrix but it has 8 CV outs, build in quantizer, build in clock divider, probalility per setp and a slew limiter... I wouldn't need the O_c... Pam I want to keep I think because of all the nice features.

I bought a uBraids from Michigan Synth Works. Can't complain. I bought an O_C and Temps Utile from a Modular Grids member/maker. They work perfectly as well. Message me and I'll give you the name if you wish.

Read up on all the functionality of the OC... it even has a dual sequencer that can output gates as well as envelopes. So if you get in a pinch, the OC can deliver envelopes or your quantizer or even an extra shift register (but only one set of functions at the same time).

As far as your matrix sequencer, you might want to check out Noise Engineering's Mimetic Digitalis. The functionality is similar (but not the same) as the Tip Top unit. It's only 10HP and about $100 less. Pair that with a second O_C and you should have even more options in 18HP rather than 28HP. You can also save the state of the O_C and the Mimetic Digitalis, which is a big plus. With that extra 10HP, you have room for another 10HP VCO or 5 2HP units.

I know, so many options...

Fair price , perfectly built , fast shipping in armored packaging ... very good guy is @wtkdwc , thanx aaaa lot :)