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PS 850mA is low for 104hp, digital modules will eat into that. Remember that you need 20-25% overhead for startup surges! Also I have a number of Elektron boxes, so if you want to talk about integration, I might be able to help.

Been trying to figure out what I would be missing by going with the Delta-V. Mixer, attenuverters?

Yes, though 3xMIA or other modules can compensate. Also if you use the built-in VCAs in Delta-V, you have no access to the envelope. And you don't have the EOR/EOC outputs which in a larger rack can be a useful source of gates.

The "Maths illustrated supplement" illustrates how to do many tasks on Maths, but not why. That you have to ferret out for yourself. It is a little like learning by rote; some manage to go beyond, but many do not. In the link in my signature I try to take a more generalizable approach to that learning using another module (Falistri), in the hopes that the lessons should transfer to other modules such as Delta-V and Maths.

I have Pam's, it is terrific, and µO_c is on my watch list. I don't think you can go wrong with those. There is a choice of firmwares with µO_c. Hemisphere allows for two independent halves, but with a simpler set of functions. I am more tempted by the original firmware, which looks deeper. You don't have to choose except if your supplier asks which firmware you want loaded initially; you can reflash the module yourself.

EDITED Jan 6th 2022, 01:28

Maths is a good choice if you are interested in learning modular synthesis - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' - as opposed to synthesis with modules, if you see what I mean! delta v is also a good choice, but doesn't have the learning resources...

I'd go for veils over the dual vca - you can never have too many vcas!!!

Rings is not particularly similar to plaits - plaits has a couple of Rings-ish settings, but has a lot more besides (and vice versa)

otherwise @ronin1973 and @plragde have you covered

for mults - if you have 2 sound sources and 2 v/oct sequencing channels - then buffering is superfluous - as it is only really needed for pitch, otherwise passive is fine & in a tiny case such as this, stackcables or headphone splitters are a better option as they won't take space

-- JimHowell1970

I see! :) If I can fit maths I will. Does seem to be a great learning tool. Been trying to figure out what I would be missing by going with the Delta-V. Mixer, attenuverters?

Veils 2020 seems like the way to go for VCAs.
Switch to a passive mult as well, cheaper is better!

Thanks for the input!

Good job on your first post. The link the rack was done exactly as it should be.

First and foremost, what is the depth of your rack? If your power rails or anything else is bolted to the floor in some parts, you'll have to be aware of that too.

The Disting IV is a good choice. But the EX is like getting two IVs in one unit. It's worth it if you're going so small.

The Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis is a great micro-sequencer to pair with your Pam's. There will be times when you want to just jam without messing around with your external gear. It's a thought.

The buffered mult is a bit of a waste on a rack this small. It's only 2HP. But that might be the difference between getting a future module you want or settling for something less.

Getting a Dixie + isn't a bad idea at all. Oscillators also make great modulators. I believe the Dixie can also get down to LFO rates. So it'll serve double duty if you like.

If there's room, I'd add a micro Ornaments & Crime. I think a Pam's, a Disting EX, and an O&C make a great backbone for lots and lots of "Swiss Army Knife" functionality.
-- Ronin1973

Thanks so much for the reply!

Rack Depth is 70mm and (above Power Supply): 62mm. I've been double checking the few modules I've ordered to be sure everything clears. I was looking at the EX seems super powerful. One issue I have is the case I got is a little low on power 850mA. I got such a good deal on the case and 2 modules I can't complain. The EX needs lots of power. So hard to get around that one.

I was really hoping to avoid screens, but the o_C seems far too useful. Also has a sequencer! Quad Quantizer and all kinds of goodies. Seems like a great fit for a small case.

Dixie + seems like it would be a good contrast to Plaits. One digital and one analog VCO.

Thanks again!

Maths is a good choice if you are interested in learning modular synthesis - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' - as opposed to synthesis with modules, if you see what I mean! delta v is also a good choice, but doesn't have the learning resources...

I'd go for veils over the dual vca - you can never have too many vcas!!!

Rings is not particularly similar to plaits - plaits has a couple of Rings-ish settings, but has a lot more besides (and vice versa)

otherwise @ronin1973 and @plragde have you covered

for mults - if you have 2 sound sources and 2 v/oct sequencing channels - then buffering is superfluous - as it is only really needed for pitch, otherwise passive is fine & in a tiny case such as this, stackcables or headphone splitters are a better option as they won't take space

Good job on your first post. The link the rack was done exactly as it should be.

First and foremost, what is the depth of your rack? If your power rails or anything else is bolted to the floor in some parts, you'll have to be aware of that too.

The Disting IV is a good choice. But the EX is like getting two IVs in one unit. It's worth it if you're going so small.

The Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis is a great micro-sequencer to pair with your Pam's. There will be times when you want to just jam without messing around with your external gear. It's a thought.

The buffered mult is a bit of a waste on a rack this small. It's only 2HP. But that might be the difference between getting a future module you want or settling for something less.

Getting a Dixie + isn't a bad idea at all. Oscillators also make great modulators. I believe the Dixie can also get down to LFO rates. So it'll serve double duty if you like.

If there's room, I'd add a micro Ornaments & Crime. I think a Pam's, a Disting EX, and an O&C make a great backbone for lots and lots of "Swiss Army Knife" functionality.

Agreed, on its own it would be modulation thirsty. This was half of an existing 12u so modulation was from maths, batumi & a links in opposite case. However, I came to find that envelopes, as you suggested, were more useful so I second an EG. The doepfer quad adsr was great but i'm intrigued by the radar since you mention it, looks very powerful. I only wish it was diy.
Blip as well.
An nlc sloths x & y ouputs multiplied throughout the system is a blast with this one.
The best part of this system is harmonaig's 4 outputs to 4 akemies channels.
It could really use a beasts chalkboard.
I sold the noise engineering tonnetz sequent & 4ms QCD & miss both.
It's true that Ornament & Crime has a similar mode but it's a lot of fun & worth a dedicated module, always loved this one!

Hi,
Does anybody know if Livewire is still in activity or not?
Thanks

Pedal Order:
- Plug guitar into Tech 21 Fly Rig
- Plug bass into Tech 21Bass Driver
- Plug microphone (or line level signal) into JHS Colour Box
- All of the above feed into the Morley ABC
- EHX Canyon
- Hologram Microcosm
- EHX 45000

EDITED Jan 14th 2022, 05:01

Signal Flow:
- Instrument plugged into Friedman Buffer Bay's buffer input, output routed to "Return A" of LS-2
- JHS Colour Box (acting as a mic pre) to "Return B" of LS-2
- Boss LS-2 acts as a switcher between the instrument and mic (or whatever is going into the Colour Box)
- LS-2 output to ISP Deci-mate input
- Deci-mate output to Tech 21 Fly Rig input
- Tech 21 Bass Driver is in fx loop of Fly Rig
- output of Fly Rig is sent to the Hologram Microcosm
- then to the EHX 45000
- then if necessary to the Harley Benton Thunder 99

PNW 1 + 2 = smooth random into Maths attack and decay CV ins. smooth random from ch. 1 also controls filter frequency (mod in)
Modbox - S&H to OSC 1v/oct - trigger from Maths EOC. LFO to OSC waveform CV in
Hysteria set to quantize.

EDITED Jan 5th 2022, 06:40

There's a definite problem here, and that's a lack of modulation sources for the two Akemie's to chew on. These are at their best when you can use various envelopes and other mod sources into the various level and index inputs to create very complex textures. Using them this way, you miss out on much of that capability.

I would suggest dropping the second Akemie's altogether, then putting in Erogenous Tones' RADAR and Blip modules instead. The RADAR module gives you eight AR envelopes with a lot of abuse potential, and the Blip works as something of a sequential controller for the RADAR, plus it provides some global controls you don't necessarily get with the RADAR alone. THAT pair would be more than sufficient to get the remaining Akemie's into its full capabilities.

I personally would recommend Delta-V for a skiff this small, but others cannot imagine modular without Maths, so you have a decision to make. With the space you save, you can upgrade your uVCA to Veils 2020, and add 3xMIA, which is quite useful. You may not need S&H right away. If you get CV.OCD, you don't need mmMIDI.

Congratulations on the album release! Nice stuff, enjoyed "The Playful Ocean" and the different moods of all the selections. All the best.

this looks nice

Lapsus Os is a great alternative. Probably no need to switch.

Hey Farkas! Just wanted to say thanks for the reply and also the Happy Nerding 3xMIA suggestion. Actually I am in two minds with the Lapsus OS I currently own which has 4 channels of attunenverter/attenuator/offset at 10hp - great for live performance which is my main goal but I'm kinda of getting along without it tbh. Going to do more research/practice to see.. It just may be better for me swapping it out for the 3xMIA at the expense of loosing the faders but gaining 2 more channels/polarizer and 4HP free space.
Big "hi" to everyone here also!

Little edit here. Decided to use my Octatrack for sequencing for the time being. Cramming a sequencer into this case just seemed silly. With sequencing, drums, and most effects out of the rack I think I can focus on the fundamentals.
Update: https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1789739.jpg

Trying to decided between Maths and Delta-V by Cosmotronic. Also, thinking about a second Voice and a dedicated Sample and Hold module.

EDITED Jan 4th 2022, 16:32

Maybe it's in LFO mode? Verify CV range with Harmonics knob while holding the right button.
-- defragmenteur

Thanks, this seems to have sorted the problem.

troufion.
-- TGRI
AABBA

troufion.

Maybe it's in LFO mode? Verify CV range with Harmonics knob while holding the right button.

EDITED Jan 4th 2022, 00:17

Rossum Morpheus Z Plane filter and IME Bionic Lester are super awesome filters that do tons of things. I highly recommend them.
For a basic filter, the Doepfer Wasp is great filter than can self oscillate and get wild or be tamed down. Filters are loads of fun.
-- sacguy71

Thanks -- I appreciate the suggestions!

you didnt want a filter or anything dedicated to audio processing ? i hope youve got stackcables or something; otherwise youlll need mults sooner or later. its not a bad rack but it just kinda feels like all that modulations got nowhere to go
-- moremagic

I absolutely do want filters, but just don't know enough about them to make a decision. Are there any you'd recommend as good overall filter modules? Would Morgasmatron be a good choice?

-- canyllyr

Rossum Morpheus Z Plane filter and IME Bionic Lester are super awesome filters that do tons of things. I highly recommend them.
For a basic filter, the Doepfer Wasp is great filter than can self oscillate and get wild or be tamed down. Filters are loads of fun.

Thanks! Yes, if I come up with a good sound, then I try to record to my DAW or to sd card on my 1010 Music Bluebox mixer for later use. Right now, I have half a dozen tracks recorded that I plan to remix into songs this year and produce an album. Rossum Trident is a sweet complex oscillator. Morpheus is crazy good filter.

That looked like fun...some cool sounds in there...do you record to a DAW at all and then reuse stuff?

Have you contacted Mutable Instruments for help? Another idea is to post the question on the Mutable Instruments forum:
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/

Two ideas for ways of finding modules you didn't know about before:

1. A "random module" button that'd send you to a randomly chosen module page. I like to scroll through random manufacturers from time to time trying to find neat modules I didn't know about before, this could serve the same purpose but be a bit... user friendlier? It'd probably be useful to also be able to exclude modules with specific features or only include modules with specific features, similarly to how the normal module finder works.

2. On a module page, a "frequently used with" segment could be interesting - showing the modules most commonly paired with the one you're inspecting. This'd probably have to factor in how popular the other modules are in general (else it'll always just be clouds and maths I guess). I'm not as sure this one would be useful as I am with the first idea as I can't think of any very common module pairs other than Rings->Clouds rn, but maybe that just shows my inexperience :P

also please make the "observe this thread" button not throw away the entire comment you've been typing up lol

With DLD, could I say for example, have one of the inputs be say from a radio and I could capture 4 or 5 seconds of a broadcast and then loop that? then I would want to 'mangle' that looping sample in certain ways...and then eventually maybe go back to the original once or twice...I probably need a different module to do the 'mangling' I'm assuming?

-- jb61264

Yes, that's one of the things DLD could do. Data Bender would probably be your mangler, but with DLD you have two delay lines so you can do some cool stuff. Check out some of the demos. DivKid has a good one from a few years back.

Fun last nite with Rossum Trident oscillator

I own a Morgasmatron. It's a bit expensive. But you get two multi-mode filters that can act independently or as one cohesive unit. So you'll get a lot out of it. It's my go-to, bread & butter filter. As you progress, you may add more filters with different characteristics. But those characteristics are nuances if you're just getting into Eurorack or synthesis. In other words, you'll probably need some time to appreciate the differences.

Looking at your choice of sequencer, you might run into some issues. Steppy is great. But it only handles triggers and gates. So you may either want to add a second sequencer like a Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis... or replace the Steppy with something else that does both (there are endless possibilities in this category).

If you like the way the Steppy works then the Mimetic is a good choice. But you might have to think really hard, watch some videos, and read some manuals to make sure you like the workflow.

-- Ronin1973

Thanks for the info -- I have been waffling between the Morgasmatron and the Blades. I think getting one dual VCF for 'bread and butter' filtering is a good idea to start with. I can always add specialty filters individually later.

My inexperience is clear with regard to sequencing. I don't know how much Pam's and Steppy will do for me, nor do I know really how they will interact with Maths. I am definitely open to the Digitalis and others (I've also been looking at the Varigates), but think I need to walk before I run there. :)

Happy New Year!

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 19:01

Loopy Pro for iOS has just been released and looks very impressive. There are detailed threads on the Audiobus forum.

At some point when I feel I can afford it I'll probably get Make Noise Morphagene, you can record stuff into it and mangle.

The Freeze Button on Clouds lets you scroll through the position of the grains its playing.

Make Noise Mimeophon lets you lock (Hold) a loop and move through the Delay knob settings which if Clocked you can use fragments of loops for interesting parts.

I quite fancy a 2hp Loop Sound On Sound Looper, or 2! They look interesting for recording stuff in and even 2x of them for sorta fake stereo is waaaay cheaper than a Morphagene. But obviously lots different

Part of me is thinking about getting an iPad and a Looper App too as overall cost is better than modules when you think what else you can do with an iPad.

I'm sure someone will know more about the Data bender.
-- wishbonebrewery

@wishbonebrewery I have been looking at Morphogene too...20HP is the biggest size I could go for and its right at 20HP. The iPad idea is interesting...do you know of any apps offhand? I have an iPad which I was going to initially try to use for drums...using Arturia Beatstep Pro and their iPad app iSpark...I couldn't get it to work right then I think my Korg interface went bad so I haven't tried further.

I heard some crazy things about Assimil8or but never seen nor touched one in real life ;)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/rossum-electro-music-assimil8or

-- zuggamasta

Looks really sweet, thanks for the reference...its too big for what I can use in my setup but an interesting feature read for sure!

I've found Data Bender to be more of an effect or "happy accident" machine. You can freeze the buffer and sort of navigate around it, but it's a little imprecise for honing in on specific parts of the buffer in real-time. When I've tried this, my input is already so mangled and stuttering that I wouldn't classify it as a looper, but I'm sure others have been able to use that feature more effectively. I use the 4ms Dual Looping Delay for the real-time sampling/looping thing. It's pretty much perfect for that. I'm sure there are other options that require less hp for looping, but the interface and ergonomics of the DLD are great.
-- farkas

With DLD, could I say for example, have one of the inputs be say from a radio and I could capture 4 or 5 seconds of a broadcast and then loop that? then I would want to 'mangle' that looping sample in certain ways...and then eventually maybe go back to the original once or twice...I probably need a different module to do the 'mangling' I'm assuming?

I just traded down into this case from a RackBrute 6u 84hp case...

My concern with a bigger case is that it will completely overwhelm me and I'll want to fill it with things that I may not need. I started eurorack with a big ass Behringer case (traded into the RackBrute from there) - now I've made it here and I'm REALLY happy where I am right now... possibly down the line I can change some stuff up or upgrade, but for a lot of things in my life I'm trying to minimalize, so that's part of the focus for this build... I'm having a lot of fun with this now (even tho I'm still waiting for the last 3 modules to get here) but damn yeah the EX would be nice.

Trade in your palette for a 7U Intellijel performance case. Then get the Disting EX. Now that you have the core of your system worked out, you might see some joy in getting additional modules with a lot to offer... like the micro Ornaments & Crime, a logic module, sample and hold, oh... and of course Maths... :)

1010 Music's BitBox series can record in sync with clock. But as far as mangling, you might want to read the manual to see if there's enough real time control (via CV) for your liking.

I own a Morgasmatron. It's a bit expensive. But you get two multi-mode filters that can act independently or as one cohesive unit. So you'll get a lot out of it. It's my go-to, bread & butter filter. As you progress, you may add more filters with different characteristics. But those characteristics are nuances if you're just getting into Eurorack or synthesis. In other words, you'll probably need some time to appreciate the differences.

Looking at your choice of sequencer, you might run into some issues. Steppy is great. But it only handles triggers and gates. So you may either want to add a second sequencer like a Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis... or replace the Steppy with something else that does both (there are endless possibilities in this category).

If you like the way the Steppy works then the Mimetic is a good choice. But you might have to think really hard, watch some videos, and read some manuals to make sure you like the workflow.

Happy New year !!.

My Mutable instruments Plaits has started behaving strangely and not sounding anything like it should do.
Is there anything I can do, which can reset it ?.
Everything else appears to working properly.

Thanks Paul

Squid Salmple might be the most thought out real-time sampler in Euro that's out there. The flexibility keep me loving it. It has a 11.5-12 sec record buffer size, but these can be loaded in banks of 8 sounds. In theory, you can set the channels up to chain-record, chain reference, etc. It's really wild.

I've found Data Bender to be more of an effect or "happy accident" machine. You can freeze the buffer and sort of navigate around it, but it's a little imprecise for honing in on specific parts of the buffer in real-time. When I've tried this, my input is already so mangled and stuttering that I wouldn't classify it as a looper, but I'm sure others have been able to use that feature more effectively. I use the 4ms Dual Looping Delay for the real-time sampling/looping thing. It's pretty much perfect for that. I'm sure there are other options that require less hp for looping, but the interface and ergonomics of the DLD are great.

Recorded on a single take, no pre-recorded loops, all the sounds are being generated by the modular.

Voices:
- Fender Rhodes Stage 73 mk2 amped by Ears is playing chords and melodies.
- Calsynth Rangoon is doing the pads, controlled by Doboz XIIO.
- Instruo Ts-l + Eowave Titan Oscillator through Serpens Sirius into Patching Panda Punch v3 doing bassline.
- 4ms Ensemble Oscillator through Bizarre Jezebel Pkhia into Mimeophon as background strings and weird sounds.

Drums:
- White Noise from ADDAC 215 through Super VCAs as snare.
- Erica Pico Drums as bass drum.

Modulation:
- Doboz XIIO sampled by Clank Chaos are sequencing the 3 melodic voices.
- Clank Chaos as clock divider and gate generator, into XODES LB5 to sequence drum voices.
- Mutable Instruments Stages as envelope generator and LFOs
- Instruo Ochd as LFOs
- Pressure Points as manual CV modulation

Utilities:
- Acid Rain Switchblade as CV controller switch.
- joeSeggiola's Nearness as panning sub-mixer.
- Cosmotronic Cosmix as mixer, using Dreadbox Splash as send reverb.
- Music Thing Startup as final mixer.

I am desperate to buy four of these wonderful modules. Does anyone know where I can find any, other than from the company itself?

If any one can help, I will be eternally grateful!

I heard some crazy things about Assimil8or but never seen nor touched one in real life ;)

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/rossum-electro-music-assimil8or

At some point when I feel I can afford it I'll probably get Make Noise Morphagene, you can record stuff into it and mangle.

The Freeze Button on Clouds lets you scroll through the position of the grains its playing.

Make Noise Mimeophon lets you lock (Hold) a loop and move through the Delay knob settings which if Clocked you can use fragments of loops for interesting parts.

I quite fancy a 2hp Loop Sound On Sound Looper, or 2! They look interesting for recording stuff in and even 2x of them for sorta fake stereo is waaaay cheaper than a Morphagene. But obviously lots different

Part of me is thinking about getting an iPad and a Looper App too as overall cost is better than modules when you think what else you can do with an iPad.

I'm sure someone will know more about the Data bender.

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 09:19

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- MXR Noise Clamp (the following indented pedals are in its fx loop)
-- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
-- JHS Whitey Tighty
-- JHS Unicorn
-- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
-- Wampler Tumnus
-- EarthQuaker Devices Monarch
-- MXR Six Band EQ
- Meris Hedra
- DOD Rubberneck
- Strymon Dig (mono in, stereo out)
- Strymon Blue Sky (stereo)
- Strymon Deco (stereo)

EDITED Jan 14th 2022, 04:24

I'd like to be able to record/sample something that I'm playing from my modular and then mangle it up...I'm not quite sure if I understand the scope of Data Bender but I'm guessing I probably need a separate sample module from Data Bender to do the actual record/sample and then that would play through Data Bender? or can Data Bender actually record a bit of audio and subsequently mangle it up?

I have a Disting MK4 which I know can "hold" samples to play but I'm not sure about the real time recording aspect. So if I'm messing around and have a really cool patch going, I'd like to be able to record/sample that and then mangle it up with something like Data Bender in real time...

Maybe there is an all in one module that can do something like this? or different modules to consider all together?

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
- JHS Unicorn
- MXR Ten Band EQ
- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
- Earchquaker Devices Monarch
- JHS Colour Box
- DOD Rubberneck
- Meris Hedra (mono in, stereo out, stereo from here on out)
- Strymon Dig
- Strymon Blue Sky
- Strymon Deco

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 04:01

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- MXR Noise Clamp (the following indented pedals are in its fx loop)
-- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
-- JHS Whitey Tighty
-- JHS Unicorn
-- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
-- Wampler Tumnus
-- EarthQuaker Devices Monarch
-- MXR Six Band EQ
- Meris Hedra
- DOD Rubberneck
- Strymon Dig (mono in, stereo out)
- Strymon Blue Sky (stereo)
- Strymon Deco (stereo)
- 2 JHS Colour Boxes (stereo)

EDITED Jan 14th 2022, 04:26