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Lapsus Os is a great alternative. Probably no need to switch.

Hey Farkas! Just wanted to say thanks for the reply and also the Happy Nerding 3xMIA suggestion. Actually I am in two minds with the Lapsus OS I currently own which has 4 channels of attunenverter/attenuator/offset at 10hp - great for live performance which is my main goal but I'm kinda of getting along without it tbh. Going to do more research/practice to see.. It just may be better for me swapping it out for the 3xMIA at the expense of loosing the faders but gaining 2 more channels/polarizer and 4HP free space.
Big "hi" to everyone here also!

Little edit here. Decided to use my Octatrack for sequencing for the time being. Cramming a sequencer into this case just seemed silly. With sequencing, drums, and most effects out of the rack I think I can focus on the fundamentals.
Update: https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1789739.jpg

Trying to decided between Maths and Delta-V by Cosmotronic. Also, thinking about a second Voice and a dedicated Sample and Hold module.

EDITED Jan 4th 2022, 16:32

Maybe it's in LFO mode? Verify CV range with Harmonics knob while holding the right button.
-- defragmenteur

Thanks, this seems to have sorted the problem.

troufion.
-- TGRI
AABBA

troufion.

Maybe it's in LFO mode? Verify CV range with Harmonics knob while holding the right button.

EDITED Jan 4th 2022, 00:17

Rossum Morpheus Z Plane filter and IME Bionic Lester are super awesome filters that do tons of things. I highly recommend them.
For a basic filter, the Doepfer Wasp is great filter than can self oscillate and get wild or be tamed down. Filters are loads of fun.
-- sacguy71

Thanks -- I appreciate the suggestions!

you didnt want a filter or anything dedicated to audio processing ? i hope youve got stackcables or something; otherwise youlll need mults sooner or later. its not a bad rack but it just kinda feels like all that modulations got nowhere to go
-- moremagic

I absolutely do want filters, but just don't know enough about them to make a decision. Are there any you'd recommend as good overall filter modules? Would Morgasmatron be a good choice?

-- canyllyr

Rossum Morpheus Z Plane filter and IME Bionic Lester are super awesome filters that do tons of things. I highly recommend them.
For a basic filter, the Doepfer Wasp is great filter than can self oscillate and get wild or be tamed down. Filters are loads of fun.

Thanks! Yes, if I come up with a good sound, then I try to record to my DAW or to sd card on my 1010 Music Bluebox mixer for later use. Right now, I have half a dozen tracks recorded that I plan to remix into songs this year and produce an album. Rossum Trident is a sweet complex oscillator. Morpheus is crazy good filter.

That looked like fun...some cool sounds in there...do you record to a DAW at all and then reuse stuff?

Have you contacted Mutable Instruments for help? Another idea is to post the question on the Mutable Instruments forum:
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/

Two ideas for ways of finding modules you didn't know about before:

1. A "random module" button that'd send you to a randomly chosen module page. I like to scroll through random manufacturers from time to time trying to find neat modules I didn't know about before, this could serve the same purpose but be a bit... user friendlier? It'd probably be useful to also be able to exclude modules with specific features or only include modules with specific features, similarly to how the normal module finder works.

2. On a module page, a "frequently used with" segment could be interesting - showing the modules most commonly paired with the one you're inspecting. This'd probably have to factor in how popular the other modules are in general (else it'll always just be clouds and maths I guess). I'm not as sure this one would be useful as I am with the first idea as I can't think of any very common module pairs other than Rings->Clouds rn, but maybe that just shows my inexperience :P

also please make the "observe this thread" button not throw away the entire comment you've been typing up lol

With DLD, could I say for example, have one of the inputs be say from a radio and I could capture 4 or 5 seconds of a broadcast and then loop that? then I would want to 'mangle' that looping sample in certain ways...and then eventually maybe go back to the original once or twice...I probably need a different module to do the 'mangling' I'm assuming?

-- jb61264

Yes, that's one of the things DLD could do. Data Bender would probably be your mangler, but with DLD you have two delay lines so you can do some cool stuff. Check out some of the demos. DivKid has a good one from a few years back.

Fun last nite with Rossum Trident oscillator

I own a Morgasmatron. It's a bit expensive. But you get two multi-mode filters that can act independently or as one cohesive unit. So you'll get a lot out of it. It's my go-to, bread & butter filter. As you progress, you may add more filters with different characteristics. But those characteristics are nuances if you're just getting into Eurorack or synthesis. In other words, you'll probably need some time to appreciate the differences.

Looking at your choice of sequencer, you might run into some issues. Steppy is great. But it only handles triggers and gates. So you may either want to add a second sequencer like a Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis... or replace the Steppy with something else that does both (there are endless possibilities in this category).

If you like the way the Steppy works then the Mimetic is a good choice. But you might have to think really hard, watch some videos, and read some manuals to make sure you like the workflow.

-- Ronin1973

Thanks for the info -- I have been waffling between the Morgasmatron and the Blades. I think getting one dual VCF for 'bread and butter' filtering is a good idea to start with. I can always add specialty filters individually later.

My inexperience is clear with regard to sequencing. I don't know how much Pam's and Steppy will do for me, nor do I know really how they will interact with Maths. I am definitely open to the Digitalis and others (I've also been looking at the Varigates), but think I need to walk before I run there. :)

Happy New Year!

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 19:01

Loopy Pro for iOS has just been released and looks very impressive. There are detailed threads on the Audiobus forum.

At some point when I feel I can afford it I'll probably get Make Noise Morphagene, you can record stuff into it and mangle.

The Freeze Button on Clouds lets you scroll through the position of the grains its playing.

Make Noise Mimeophon lets you lock (Hold) a loop and move through the Delay knob settings which if Clocked you can use fragments of loops for interesting parts.

I quite fancy a 2hp Loop Sound On Sound Looper, or 2! They look interesting for recording stuff in and even 2x of them for sorta fake stereo is waaaay cheaper than a Morphagene. But obviously lots different

Part of me is thinking about getting an iPad and a Looper App too as overall cost is better than modules when you think what else you can do with an iPad.

I'm sure someone will know more about the Data bender.
-- wishbonebrewery

@wishbonebrewery I have been looking at Morphogene too...20HP is the biggest size I could go for and its right at 20HP. The iPad idea is interesting...do you know of any apps offhand? I have an iPad which I was going to initially try to use for drums...using Arturia Beatstep Pro and their iPad app iSpark...I couldn't get it to work right then I think my Korg interface went bad so I haven't tried further.

I heard some crazy things about Assimil8or but never seen nor touched one in real life ;)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/rossum-electro-music-assimil8or

-- zuggamasta

Looks really sweet, thanks for the reference...its too big for what I can use in my setup but an interesting feature read for sure!

I've found Data Bender to be more of an effect or "happy accident" machine. You can freeze the buffer and sort of navigate around it, but it's a little imprecise for honing in on specific parts of the buffer in real-time. When I've tried this, my input is already so mangled and stuttering that I wouldn't classify it as a looper, but I'm sure others have been able to use that feature more effectively. I use the 4ms Dual Looping Delay for the real-time sampling/looping thing. It's pretty much perfect for that. I'm sure there are other options that require less hp for looping, but the interface and ergonomics of the DLD are great.
-- farkas

With DLD, could I say for example, have one of the inputs be say from a radio and I could capture 4 or 5 seconds of a broadcast and then loop that? then I would want to 'mangle' that looping sample in certain ways...and then eventually maybe go back to the original once or twice...I probably need a different module to do the 'mangling' I'm assuming?

I just traded down into this case from a RackBrute 6u 84hp case...

My concern with a bigger case is that it will completely overwhelm me and I'll want to fill it with things that I may not need. I started eurorack with a big ass Behringer case (traded into the RackBrute from there) - now I've made it here and I'm REALLY happy where I am right now... possibly down the line I can change some stuff up or upgrade, but for a lot of things in my life I'm trying to minimalize, so that's part of the focus for this build... I'm having a lot of fun with this now (even tho I'm still waiting for the last 3 modules to get here) but damn yeah the EX would be nice.

Trade in your palette for a 7U Intellijel performance case. Then get the Disting EX. Now that you have the core of your system worked out, you might see some joy in getting additional modules with a lot to offer... like the micro Ornaments & Crime, a logic module, sample and hold, oh... and of course Maths... :)

1010 Music's BitBox series can record in sync with clock. But as far as mangling, you might want to read the manual to see if there's enough real time control (via CV) for your liking.

I own a Morgasmatron. It's a bit expensive. But you get two multi-mode filters that can act independently or as one cohesive unit. So you'll get a lot out of it. It's my go-to, bread & butter filter. As you progress, you may add more filters with different characteristics. But those characteristics are nuances if you're just getting into Eurorack or synthesis. In other words, you'll probably need some time to appreciate the differences.

Looking at your choice of sequencer, you might run into some issues. Steppy is great. But it only handles triggers and gates. So you may either want to add a second sequencer like a Noise Engineering Mimetic Digitalis... or replace the Steppy with something else that does both (there are endless possibilities in this category).

If you like the way the Steppy works then the Mimetic is a good choice. But you might have to think really hard, watch some videos, and read some manuals to make sure you like the workflow.

Happy New year !!.

My Mutable instruments Plaits has started behaving strangely and not sounding anything like it should do.
Is there anything I can do, which can reset it ?.
Everything else appears to working properly.

Thanks Paul

Squid Salmple might be the most thought out real-time sampler in Euro that's out there. The flexibility keep me loving it. It has a 11.5-12 sec record buffer size, but these can be loaded in banks of 8 sounds. In theory, you can set the channels up to chain-record, chain reference, etc. It's really wild.

I've found Data Bender to be more of an effect or "happy accident" machine. You can freeze the buffer and sort of navigate around it, but it's a little imprecise for honing in on specific parts of the buffer in real-time. When I've tried this, my input is already so mangled and stuttering that I wouldn't classify it as a looper, but I'm sure others have been able to use that feature more effectively. I use the 4ms Dual Looping Delay for the real-time sampling/looping thing. It's pretty much perfect for that. I'm sure there are other options that require less hp for looping, but the interface and ergonomics of the DLD are great.

Recorded on a single take, no pre-recorded loops, all the sounds are being generated by the modular.

Voices:
- Fender Rhodes Stage 73 mk2 amped by Ears is playing chords and melodies.
- Calsynth Rangoon is doing the pads, controlled by Doboz XIIO.
- Instruo Ts-l + Eowave Titan Oscillator through Serpens Sirius into Patching Panda Punch v3 doing bassline.
- 4ms Ensemble Oscillator through Bizarre Jezebel Pkhia into Mimeophon as background strings and weird sounds.

Drums:
- White Noise from ADDAC 215 through Super VCAs as snare.
- Erica Pico Drums as bass drum.

Modulation:
- Doboz XIIO sampled by Clank Chaos are sequencing the 3 melodic voices.
- Clank Chaos as clock divider and gate generator, into XODES LB5 to sequence drum voices.
- Mutable Instruments Stages as envelope generator and LFOs
- Instruo Ochd as LFOs
- Pressure Points as manual CV modulation

Utilities:
- Acid Rain Switchblade as CV controller switch.
- joeSeggiola's Nearness as panning sub-mixer.
- Cosmotronic Cosmix as mixer, using Dreadbox Splash as send reverb.
- Music Thing Startup as final mixer.

I am desperate to buy four of these wonderful modules. Does anyone know where I can find any, other than from the company itself?

If any one can help, I will be eternally grateful!

I heard some crazy things about Assimil8or but never seen nor touched one in real life ;)

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/rossum-electro-music-assimil8or

At some point when I feel I can afford it I'll probably get Make Noise Morphagene, you can record stuff into it and mangle.

The Freeze Button on Clouds lets you scroll through the position of the grains its playing.

Make Noise Mimeophon lets you lock (Hold) a loop and move through the Delay knob settings which if Clocked you can use fragments of loops for interesting parts.

I quite fancy a 2hp Loop Sound On Sound Looper, or 2! They look interesting for recording stuff in and even 2x of them for sorta fake stereo is waaaay cheaper than a Morphagene. But obviously lots different

Part of me is thinking about getting an iPad and a Looper App too as overall cost is better than modules when you think what else you can do with an iPad.

I'm sure someone will know more about the Data bender.

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 09:19

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- MXR Noise Clamp (the following indented pedals are in its fx loop)
-- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
-- JHS Whitey Tighty
-- JHS Unicorn
-- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
-- Wampler Tumnus
-- EarthQuaker Devices Monarch
-- MXR Six Band EQ
- Meris Hedra
- DOD Rubberneck
- Strymon Dig (mono in, stereo out)
- Strymon Blue Sky (stereo)
- Strymon Deco (stereo)

EDITED Jan 14th 2022, 04:24

I'd like to be able to record/sample something that I'm playing from my modular and then mangle it up...I'm not quite sure if I understand the scope of Data Bender but I'm guessing I probably need a separate sample module from Data Bender to do the actual record/sample and then that would play through Data Bender? or can Data Bender actually record a bit of audio and subsequently mangle it up?

I have a Disting MK4 which I know can "hold" samples to play but I'm not sure about the real time recording aspect. So if I'm messing around and have a really cool patch going, I'd like to be able to record/sample that and then mangle it up with something like Data Bender in real time...

Maybe there is an all in one module that can do something like this? or different modules to consider all together?

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
- JHS Unicorn
- MXR Ten Band EQ
- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
- Earchquaker Devices Monarch
- JHS Colour Box
- DOD Rubberneck
- Meris Hedra (mono in, stereo out, stereo from here on out)
- Strymon Dig
- Strymon Blue Sky
- Strymon Deco

EDITED Jan 3rd 2022, 04:01

Pedal Order:
- Friedman Buffer Bay - Buffered Input (not pictured)
- Peterson Strobostomp HD (used Korg Pitchblack as placeholder)
- MXR Noise Clamp (the following indented pedals are in its fx loop)
-- All Pedals Macrodose (used SubDecay Prometheus DLX as placeholder)
-- JHS Whitey Tighty
-- JHS Unicorn
-- Catalinbread Katzenkonig
-- Wampler Tumnus
-- EarthQuaker Devices Monarch
-- MXR Six Band EQ
- Meris Hedra
- DOD Rubberneck
- Strymon Dig (mono in, stereo out)
- Strymon Blue Sky (stereo)
- Strymon Deco (stereo)
- 2 JHS Colour Boxes (stereo)

EDITED Jan 14th 2022, 04:26

Hehe! I agree. If I’ve had enough rack space I’ve had the M32 racked. When I needed more space I returned it to the original stand alone case - but it got less use. At the spend level I’m now at the cost per HP is insignificant, so it’s going into the new case for sure. Cheers!

I’m actually about to move to the next level in size with a 13U x 168HP Needham case on order. Looking forward to having all my modules racked and all in one case, including the M32 and Subharmonicon. They’ll be used much more having them available in the case.

-- TumeniKnobs

That's a great size for your rack, and brings up another good point. There's a lot of talk on the forums about leaving semi-modulars outside of the rack due to the cost per hp and all of that. I've probably advised people to consider that cost myself. The more important question to consider is, "how will you make the best use of semi-modulars?" If they will just gather dust by having them sit outside of your main rack, that's a terrible outcome. I had a DFAM that I stopped using after I took it out of my main rack. I've definitely changed my tune on the pros and cons of racking a semi-modular. Rack 'em up, I say! The benefit of getting more use out of a Subharmonicon or Model D outweighs the $1.46 per hp or whatever it amounts to.

Wow great colour - so much to digest. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply :)

I think you might find this a frustrating exercise as 62HP is just too small, I'd at least go to their 104 HP palette, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway. So, voila!

1) Pam over Algorhythm, no question here at all even if you lose some manual control it does a ton PLUS euclidean so we get several HP back and lots more triggers.
2) Swapped a Disting EX for the Erica FX, it does so much it's silly.
3) Swapped a 1U pique and a Duatt for the Quadratt, your Percall can already do mixing (1 and 2 + 3 and 4 are normalled) and Pique is a great module that does a ton and it will be a secret weapon here to add modulation and character
4) Added Ladik's quantized 4 step sequencer to make things more melodic, but kept the other one as well for things like chord progressions (using your disting as a precision adder for example) or controlling euclidean rhythms on the Pam (Pam channel set to / 64 triggers the Ladik non-quantized sequencer which then feeds back into Pam's CV input1 which you can set to adjust euclidean offset, count, etc)
5) Added a System X ADSR cause it rules and you don't want only AR envelopes, and it means you won't always be using one channel on the Pique for that.

Hope this helps!

EDITED Jan 2nd 2022, 21:19

Sorry, I can't help you, as I've avoided drums in my rack, but I did want to take the opportunity to make the pun, "106hp beats that".

Yeah, great post Farkas. Thanks for sharing. Building a modular system is a very personal thing. It leads to a very personal instrument. I’m sure my rack would get slammed for having too much of this and not enough of that, but I really don’t care that much which is why I don’t ask. I’m having a blast making sounds I want to hear.

But I’m definitely not finished. I’m actually about to move to the next level in size with a 13U x 168HP Needham case on order. Looking forward to having all my modules racked and all in one case, including the M32 and Subharmonicon. They’ll be used much more having them available in the case.

Cheers and Happy New Year to all on this awesome forum.

Happy new year everybody !

Here my latest one.

I found some old recordings when I had the Telharmonic and I decided to put it into the Digitakt then into my modular !

cool

Glad you were able to gather something useful G00se222. I suppose your search for the right utilities will depend on the directions your music and overall approach to making music take. I like a lot of hands-on improvisation so a lot of the utilities and modules I've purchased reflect that, some with a lack of CV control over parameters that others would probably want CV control over. There are a lot of folks in here who take a generative approach and probably think that my choice of modules is completely ridiculous and unthinkable. I don't care for menus and unapologetically "digital" sounding modules all that much either, so most of my rack is kind of an east-coast analog subtractive kind of thing. Again, some folks would find that completely uninteresting, but I'm happy and that's all that matters when it comes to the personalized instruments we are all building.
While there are no modules that will appeal to every musician or rack configuration, one of the most useful utility type modules I've found is Happy Nerding's 3xMIA for attenuating, mixing, polarizing CV, etc. They've been hard to find recently, but definitely worth tracking one down. Warm Star makes a matrix mixer called The Bends that can do a lot of the same things. That's a fun module too.
Happy new year to you. Have fun!

Hey Farkas, first time post for me here, just wanted to say thanks for the insight into what you have learnt along the way, it helped me to read this as I am new in all this on my own as none of my mates understand the Euro rack thing so I get a lot of rolling eyes and "oh here he goes again.." comments ;)
I too started out by getting disillusioned with my synths and endless mixer /1/4 jack leads running across the room for years and I got to say I feel so much more liberated now within the ER format since selling everything in the summer.

It was good to read your thoughts on the do's and donts and all the mistakes that can be made following well intentioned "advice”.
As a 4 month in noob I've learnt a shed load already but I still feel overwhelmed sometimes on what utilities I need and understanding the mechanics of complex signal manipulation and patch theory. like MylarMelodies and your post pointed out you will know once you just started experimenting and practicing which modules are working for you and which aren’t.
Anyhow, great stuff & HNY22!

HNY to all! My debut album as sokamiru 'On Out Into' is available now at bandcamp and on all major streaming platforms:

https://sokamiru.bandcamp.com/releases
https://open.spotify.com/album/2r0a2xIIiKbQKdZR8rH7LP
https://music.apple.com/gb/album/on-out-into/1602139961
https://music.amazon.co.uk/albums/B09P7KL5J8
https://www.deezer.com/en/album/283139362
https://tidal.com/browse/album/210453680

Have fun!

Hello,

I wonder if someone could give me some advice regarding a new modular setup.

I've had a larger modular setup for a few years, working in conjunction with an Octatrack. TBH I've struggled to get as much out of the modular setup as I would like, certainly in comparison to a "simpler" machine like a Digitone. I think this is because the modular is "boundless" - I seem to spend my whole time rebuilding it, rather than accepting its limitations and working with it.

To this end, for 2022 I've decided to split it up into more "playable" units (Intellijel 62HP) which will focus on doing one thing well and one thing only (rather in the spirit of the Perfect Circuit 54 series)

I'm going to start with beats -

Some of this stuff I already have (generally the voice stuff - Befaco, Erica Pico) and some is new (the sequencing side - Grayscale, Euclidian), for which I took heavy inspiration from @mylarmelodies -

What I want to know is - does this setup make sense, as a beat focused groovebox ?

• I want minimum three voices (kick vs Kickall, snare/hats via Pico VCO and Perfcall, claps and glitches via Pico Drum)

• on the sequencing side, I want the box to be able to generate interesting stuff on a standalone basis, and not always be triggered by the Octatrack; in particular I want Euclidian style rhythms (almost opted for 2 Euclid modules)

And questions -

• what are the best 1u module options for a box like this ? (I have zero experience of 1U and simply copied Mylar here)

• MIDI is very important; although my initial use case is standalone or simply clocking via the Octatrack, I want to retain the option of driving the box fully via the Octatrack, including modulation via MIDI CC messages or other

Am I missing any tricks here ?

Many thanks in advance :)

EDITED Jan 4th 2022, 20:34

Haha. Yeah, noise is not for everyone. I grew up on pop and postpunk music but as I’ve gotten older I have moved towards the fringes. Minimalism, noise, drone, and experimental stuff… I think I appreciate the ideas more than the execution these days, though I still love well-crafted songs too. I doubt anyone would want me choosing music for a party nowadays (unless they want to hear an hour of Sunn 0))) or Richie Hawtin). Lol

wishbonebrewery—you can download any video from your YouTube channel (Manage Videos or Channel Content)

Also, there are Apps (programs) to download from YouTube like 4K Video Downloader and Gihosoft TubeGet.

All the best.
-- cmb_

Found it, and I can split the Audio off in Sound Forge.

EDITED Jan 2nd 2022, 11:28

To get things back on track, I'm going to shout out to U-he CVilization again...its a matrix mixer AND wait there's more...haven't delved into all aspects of it but the matrix mixer and sequential switch capabilities are A LOT of fun so far.