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also need
- cables, splitter ones too
- tuner

EDITED Apr 6th 2021, 15:43

Not sure if it will work with the height but you can try.
Whatever you do please set the Do not list this module flag when uploading.
Mods will delete the "modules" if they appear in the browser.

This chrome extension will hide the cat when in rack view.

You people

I know what you mean about the screen on Pams - it's difficult to see in any light!

-- JimHowell1970

That PNW Display is really hard to read. Especially because its red.

I'm not sure but I think that I've read somewhere that this is only a red foliage. The Display should be the same as the one in the System Coupe.

Most of the modules I like are already named, especially in the first reaction to your question.
(Sound Machines LS1 light strip, DivKid Mutes and the Acid Rain Navigator).

But 1 great solution I like very much is not named yet:
the Lapsus Os from Noise Engineering.
I really like that module, I have 2 of them in my current system.

EDITED Apr 6th 2021, 08:58

Guy listed it for $5000, now down to $3500. Sold "as is." How do these people sleep at night?

I love joystick and touch sensitive modules like Planar, 0-ctrl and Tetrapad. Hands on and loads of fun!
I have these except for Planar but tried one at friends place and it is better than my Befaco Joystick which is so-so.

Sure, nothing to hide! :)

Hi Jingo,

Thanks a lot for the details! :-) Kind regards, Garfield.

There isn't (I think) a ModularGrid system equivalent in 19" rack world.
I am building a new studio in the corner of my home office, based on a unit sized 2x 84hp 19" 21U above a double keyboard shelf, Yamaha SY35 & Arturia Keystep 37 and shelves under with other gear; Blofeld, TR77, RX7 etc.

My question is this.
Will the moderators accept adding full 19" rack synths into the Modular Grid environment? A E-mu Proteus 2500, for example, is essentially a 4U 84hp module

This chrome extension will hide the cat when in rack view.

Lol good idea not sure why I didn't think of that. :D

I was looking at the changed version!

not sure about abstract data availability - but veils is perfect for all vca duties

remember Disting Ex can be used as 2 mkk4s! it is very handy, but if you don't like menus?!?!?

I know what you mean about the screen on Pams - it's difficult to see in any light!

Thx JimH,

I know it are all voices, including the filters, but I only have 2 voices (both Hysteria's) for playing melody and bass.
(Antidote, mco with Carbin are mainly (almost sololy) for percusion, and the forbidden planet will be used on the melody and bass, so it is never a stand alone voice.)

I already changed a lot, but that is not yet visible in this post, in my racks is already another version, I wrote most in my reaction:
I ditched 1 Antidote, and a lot of double modules, only the 2 Hysteria's is still a double in the chromatic modules.
The MCO I want to keep for making custom drumsounds, but maybe 2 tiptop one samplers are still redundant, that is option, but only takes 4 HP.
also I went from 2 rows to 3x 104 HP, so space is not as important it was before.
I added a Butami, Maths and some small modules.
I was considering Veils but I am not sure yet, that is more as a mixer, there are other VCA's more for modulation etc. So a pair of ADE 50 (abstract data) was more interesting (6 vca's in total), but I do not know if that is still available.
So for now I added 2 ADE 50.
For Mixing I have an Eudemonia, an Utopia, 2 A138N's, a A138S (stereo) mixers, the Percall and 2 channels on the Rosie.
I also added 2 Malekko Unity mixers.
I already have a Pamela New Workout, but I do not like the deep menu diving, so I have a set of triggers/clocks etc that I use for all my patches, and because the display is not really good visible in darker places I almost never change those parameters.
I will look to other smaller/cheaper 'Euclydian' modules, and maybe the Disting EX can be a help to that.
But the Disting is also still a question mark, I like to have so much power by hand, and the original disting with the small display is not what I want, but the EX is a lot of space and money (and still deep menu diving).

EDITED Apr 5th 2021, 19:13

Hey @GarfieldModular, @troux

Thanks for your kind words :)! I wish I had more time to visit here more often, listen to the community music and wiggle my modular also.

Anyway, to answer your questions.
I made the kick drum with erica synths analog bassdrum module (which is part of the techno system).

The pings and sci-fi like sounds are from the din sync sara vcf. I fed it with the acl multifunction discret vco through the elephant rabid natural gate ending in the desmodus versio. Some gentle sweeps on the resonance and there you go :).

Best and stay tuned,
jingo

EDITED Apr 5th 2021, 15:15

can't you just use the "my collection" view of modules to do this? or at least something very similar

or just use a massive case and have your actual rack in the middle or one corner and all the extra modules floating about - but in a rack

sound sources I see:

2 antidote, 2 hysteria, disting ex (potentially 2 voices), mco, 2 tiptop one sample players, a pic drums, prok clap

and that's not counting the filters which may also be able to be used as vcos

tooo many!!!!!!!!!! not enough space for support modules - not enough mixer channels for them probably as a starting point

Pams has random, quantised random, euclidean and clock division

I would probably replace it with something like Marbles or consider ditching the rcd and euclidean circles

that's taken care of random - but maybe chaos would be better - either way mixing a bit of random/chaos into something else - an lfo or envelope or both and/or attenuating/attenuverting it is a useful technique

imo what you are missing most is utilities - especially for generative - and an ergonomic performance interface - for techno

for generative most people want layers of modulation and utilities to introduce variation over time and stop it becoming boring

a basic utility starter set of links, kinks, shades and veils (or equivalents) will massively help

add a matrix mixer (VCAM perhaps) and a sequential switch and you have an even better starting point

as for performance style module - I am considering a TNSMv2 - might be worth taking a look at! tetrapad and tete may also be worth investigating etc

Thanks @GarfieldModular I've just dropped the BPM of this to 80 and I'm adding some other bits, weird how a bpm change can alter the character so much, I guess it gives the LFO's more time to do their thing.

This rack is mainly to be used for techno and generative music.
So the one thing I am missing is randomisation I think.

I always had grounding issues with the BSP, so hopefully the SQ-64 gets that part right, but I'm not particularly interested in it myself.

Whatever happened to Dijkstar? Thought they did great work, does anyone know of new projects they're involved in?

I upgraded to Unicorn and was kind of hoping there would be a way to "save" my arrangement of modules. I like to sort of space out various modules that I'm plugging/swapping around on the outside of and all around the rack itself, so I can drag them in and out while seeing everything I've made available to myself, trying different arrangements, etc. ... so the feature where they "auto-arrange" along the bottom anytime you do anything involving a screen refresh (stacked on top of each other in an orderly but completely indecipherable and hard-to-navigate way) is actually pretty annoying.

Since this is all in a browser, I can understand why it'd be hard to implement saving the user's arrangement of modules outside the gridded space, but that said, if by chance I've overlooked something and there IS a way to do it ... please please please let me know!

I'd still like a way to disable the cat for real tbh.

I have only 3 real voices in the rack (2x Hysteria and the MCO).
The Antidote are also voices, but I mainly use them as processing modules.
And the 2 other you could name voices are the clap and the pico drums, but these are dedicated to drums.
And yes sampling is also a kind of voice, but these are also specific for drums.
so for drums/percussion I have the 2 antidotes / 2 samplers / 2 dedicated modules and the MCO.
For normal voices I only have the 2 Hysteria modules.
And a lot of the other chromatic modules are about modulation (lfo's/envelopes), mixers and filters.
But Maths and a bigger case are good options.
I had already removed 2 chromatic modules, and I am thinking about 3 other modules.
First the antidote, maybe 1 is enough, and also nostalgia and Dystopia, that also leads that the second Eudemonia can be seen as overkill.
The new version is now without those 4 modules, and added the Batumi / Maths and Pamela's new workout.

I had reasons to keep 2 Utopias, but how nice the features are, it is not worth 2 times 10HP, so I ditched the 2nd utopia also, and 1 buffered mult, the chromatics work good together, there is almost no need for them to have a buffered mult, and there is enough mixing in the rack, so I also ditched a unity mixer.
So from the starting 16 chromatics, I have now 9 of those modules .

EDITED Apr 5th 2021, 02:59

Excellent @jingo, I'm taking notes! Thanks for sharing and we're sending you good vibes

Miscommunication on my part @Rabel, when I ask what's missing I mean "What are you trying to do that you don't quite succeed at?" or "What sound do you want that you can't find?" or "What's hard that you'd like to be easy?"or "What rut do you get stuck in that you'd like to break out of?" Answering those questions will help us know what modules could help.

Mostly agreed with @JimHowell1970 here, looking at the rack it feels like a really focused version of what you think you want now but you probably need some room and time to explore to see what you really need. So I'd start off with half the modules here, scratching all the Dreadbox duplicates to start and then a few more, and give that some time. (I'll also second the suggestion that you fit a Maths in, it was my first thought looking at the rack.)

too many voices - 10? maybe - I'd only want to 4 or 5 max in this size case otherwise there is not the space for the modulation sources or utility modules to support that many voices - and those that are there are not well chosen

is this meant as a 'performance' synth? - ie totally hands on twisting knobs and nudging sliders - or is it meant to be more self playing? - ie you patch modulation sources to modulation inputs on modules so they alter over time and can do crazy things like FM and AM synthesis

solutions - double the size of the case or throw out half the modules and fill the rest with modulation sources, utilities and performance controls

or start really small (just Maths, maybe, considering you have the minibrute) and grow slowly - working out what you are missing for what you are trying to do along the way

EDITED Apr 5th 2021, 00:28

Bought a Cwejman VM-1 from @NSOTB

Fast shipping, great comms, and a nice guy. Recommended.

Cheers!

-- Edintheclouds

Thx alot.
Fast payment and very kind communicaton on your side :)

Cwejman for ever.

RIP WOWA CWEJMAN

I just bought an ACL Dual VCA from @NSOTB and I am very satisfied. The shipping was super fast, the condition of the module is great and also the packaging was good.
-- Buzzy_B

Thanks for thumb up :)

Fast payment on your side!
Enjoy the ACL, my friend.

interesting

ok I just finished building a case - they are not a lot cheaper - the expensive bits are the rails and the power - 9u/84hp costs me a bit more than 200€ (rails, threaded nuts and power) and a 9u/104hp costs about 100 more (needs extra power and I tend to use inserts not nuts) - of which the wood for the case is about 10€ - the bigger the case you build the more you save!

I would go for a 6u / 104hp case - the 1u row costs as much as a 3u row to install and can hold no where near the functionality

vcas are one of those things - you only know you have too few when you run out - depends entirely on how you patch - some people use no vcas - some use 10 per voice

you already have an envelope generator - Maths - although maybe a basic adsr one is a good idea if you are intending to use a keyboard

why is veils better than a cloned version - in this case it was cost - 1 veils is cheaper than 2 of the 2 channel clones

the mutable clones should sound the same and use the same (or extremely similar components) BOM and firmware are publically available as appropriate for all modules (probably not beads yet) - I can't comment on build quality (and it may differ wildly)

in general clones (and we're really just talking Mutable Instruments here) are less ergonomic - as they have been shrunk - this may be seen as an advantage if you are in the cram as much as possible into as small a case as possible crowd - or you only have a few hp left in your case (time to get a new one - you did start saving as soon as you got the previous case, didn't you?)

size is really the only excuse for buying clones - mostly they don't save that much money - maybe 50 €/$/£ or so - which in the big scheme of things is not a great deal - especially when looking at a case that costs 4k to fill - maybe it helps to think of it as - Hi Emilie, thanks for creating this fantastic module that i will use for many many hours and get great enjoyment from - here's a few glasses of chardonnay to celebrate - or whatever it is that she likes to drink

really if comes down to where you want your money, that you earned, to go:

do you want it to go to the original designer? - thanks for putting in the hard work

or to some guy who worked out how to make the pcb a bit smaller and order pcbas and panels from China

remember MI are built in France - a first world country - where wages and taxes are significantly higher than in China

utilities - I have no idea either - it really depends on you and how you patch - when planning a rack I usually try to think:

sound sources < sound modifiers < modulation sources < utilities

as a single sound source can be multed to multiple sound modifiers and used with different vcas and envelopes to create different timbres and rhythms which then need mixing

or it may have multiple outputs that can be mixed before being sent to a single filter/vca etc

or you may have more modulation inputs than outputs - mult the outputs, modify them and mix them using utility modules before sending them to the inputs - lots of related but different modulation - for relatively little cost

it must be noted that a sound source in this case could be multiple vcos, sound modifiers could be multi-channel and multi-purpose, modulation sources could be multi-channel etc etc etc

as a starter set of utilities - links, kinks, veils and shades cover a lot of territory in not that much space, you get:

2 buffered mults - useful for copying v/oct signals (anything else won't notice a bit of droop so use passives) one of which can also be used as a 2channel mixer or a precision adder (for transposition)
a 3 way mixer
a rectifier - this modifies a waveform by inverting all of it, inverting just the negative portion, or setting the negative portion to 0
basic logic - send 2 gates in get and and or out
sample and hold - send a trigger in to freeze the input at the output - send a copy of a sequence to this with a different gate pattern than the original to create a 2nd melody line - add these 2 together using a precision adder to get a 3rd, higher note
noise - a noise generator that is normalised to the sample and hold input
4 channels of vca - which are actually amplifiers and not attenuators! which can be mixed together - no idea what else - only got an original
a 3 channel attenuverting mixer that can be used as a precision adder and can generate an offset

that is hard to beat in 24hp - it is almost definite that you will need all these functions sooner or later

EDITED Apr 4th 2021, 23:29

I just bought an ACL Dual VCA from @NSOTB and I am very satisfied. The shipping was super fast, the condition of the module is great and also the packaging was good.

Thanks Garfield,

The sound around 5:40 is the kick bass drum from the Noise Engineering Basimilus Iteritas Alter! One of the best modules around since it can generate lots of various tones from kick drums to cymbals to acid bass lines. I sequence it with Winter Modular Eloquencer that is my favorite modular sequencer in my setups thus far. Sorry about my voice it was muffled and I need to fix that in future videos. I ordered the Doepfer A-100PMS12sw [PSU3] Monster case that should give me another 672HP of space to move my modules from my Doepfer 6U case to this one and free up the base case for more sequencers, mixers, effects and utilities of course. However the Mackie FX on the external mixer are really quite fantastic so those work well plus the FX in my rack. I like to create submixes and subsequences to spice patches up quite a bit.

Hi Jingo,

Thank you for this fantastic track and Happy Easter to you too! :-)

Wow, that kick sound, that's a serious heavy and good one, wooo-ho-hoooo! How did you create that one?

I love those ping kind of sounds you made through out the music, nice piece of sound. Ha, ha, and those Science Fiction sounds around 2:00+ are fun as well!

Thank you very much for sharing this with us and I wish we had 6 or 12 times a year Easter, can't wait for next year Easter, I hope you come up with something like that then as well. :-D Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Wishbonebrewery,

Oh lovely jam this one! A nice kind of mellow-ambient track. The over 8 minutes were not an issue at all, I rather felt this could be longer, keep going on and on, oh fantastic!

Thanks a lot for this lovely Easter present :-) Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Long time haven't heard from you! Were you busy with your new studio setup? Is your studio called "Cathedral Studios"? :-)

New monster case arrives? Which one did you order? The A-100PMS9 or PMS12 :-) ? One of those would nicely fit on top of your A-100PMB monster case.

Around 5:40 that beat sound, what exactly is that? I mean how did you create that, sounds pretty cool. One little feedback, your voice's volume is a bit too low compared to your music so unless one changes the volume up and down every time when you speak, it's difficult to hear you.

It's nice to hear and see from you again in your new studio. Thank you very much for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.

you have quite a reasonable amount of modulation in the case already - I would head for utilities - a matrix mixer for mixing modulation sources together in different ratios seems like a good idea to me! - or even better the 4ms VCAM - voltage controlled matrix mixer with mutes or the instruo lion

maybe a bit of background...

what are you going to use this with and what are you hoping to achieve?

1U section will also have some Visible Signals modules.

Anyone that would like to sell me a tiptop mantis?

This module is NOT available anymore.
I had communicated with two emails with the seller, decided to purchase one and the first problem encountered was that his website was broken. It was supposed to send me an email password and it never did so I could not create my account.

I emailed the site owner about this and from that point on he refused to communicate.
Then at the same time he was supposed to ship them, Feb 28th, instead he gives me a full refund with no explanation or communication.

Would NOT recommend wasting your money with this guy because he can’t deliver!
Very frustrating purchase experience!

It is a complete system, but perhaps a more experienced eye could immediately understand if some modulation or some other usefulness can be added. For example. And suggest what...

EDITED Apr 4th 2021, 18:17

Hi Jim,
Thanks for getting back about this!

Ok, so here’s my scaled-down version:

I kept the Dust of Time, Beads, Maths and Chaos modules and added the Marbles instead of permutation, because I think it does actually look more interesting (knowing that I won't know until I really touched it).

I also exchanged the veils etc. clones for the real thing - could you explain what exactly makes them better? Is it the build or sound quality?

I’m still somewhat confused about the utility modules… like, how many I’ll need for what. And I’m uncertain if I have enough VCAs and whether I need an envelope generator.

About case, I am planning to build my own, so that should come much cheaper.

Quick answer :
I have a MiniBrute 2S and a Keystep, for now that are the sequencers and keys/pads.

Newest version of this rack :
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1531584.jpg?1617557269

EDITED Apr 4th 2021, 17:28

@wishbonebrewery thanks a lot :)

Sounding good :)

Hey fellow wigglers :),

Happy Easter. I hope you all are doing well. It´s been some time since I wiggled my modular. In these dark time which sorround us I got nearly no spare time to turn knobs and so on. So I used this really day off to sneak away to my modules.

This piece of sounds/music somehow shows how I feel: dark with some sparks of hope here and there.

Here we go, stay healthy, try to stay happy!

EDITED Apr 4th 2021, 16:59

All good suggestions, Soundstage is sounding good on @troux work, feels to open up the mix.

I've kinda had my eye on that PanMix cos you can CV it for Pan and Level @ThunderSound the ever-growing wishlist needs pruning regularly, its kinda slowly shrinking but shows growth-spurts after a prune, feeding it regularly with ModularGrid doesn't help!

A patch that started out very incoherent, took me ages to find the sweet spot in tuning the STO to the Even VCO, got the 2hp Tune in the same scale as the 2hp ARP, glad I persisted with this as it was proper wonky.
No filters were used in this just the STO's Shape control and the DannySound Timbre on wave-folding duty.
Newest module in the rack is the Pr0k Clap, Hats come from Patching Panda Hatz, incidental percussion and Bass drum come from ADDAC103. A bit of Monsoon Clouds Reverb on the slow notes and and Erica Pico DSP on the twinkly Arp parts. Extra percussion came from the Roland TR-09.
Soz for the occasional crackle, thats my crappy soundcard.

Cheers for listening to over 8 minutes!