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@nuclearsound yes, I saw your remark.
Another lesson learned, always query the forum before doing a transaction, not afterward :-)

@Glnds
Interesting, I already mentioned this person above as a bad trader. On my side, it never got solved in the end... Would be interested if sooner you get your module.

Thank you very much. Agree about the reverb in a tank! :-D)))))
Anyway, in this topic we're talkin'about "dark ambient".
Obvioulsy everybody can play every genres in all the way he/she like, of course.
And if somebody want to do it, with modesty I suggested to focus the resources to a Morphagene or Nebula 2 (or both) and pedal interface as primarly (and pedals of course, digital stereo reverb as first). Also considering a quad LFO, a multimode VCF and the more possible VCA/mixer you can take.
Instead of waste your bucks to sequencers, envelopers, oscillators and clocks you don't need.
With respect, I read Pamela NW and René, what are they for dark-ambient?
Probably someone are convinced that's sh*t like Board of Canada or Aphex Twin....
Just my 2 cents.

EDITED May 26th 2023, 15:38

Love it, hauntingly beautiful!
-- Niemandsland

Thank you for checking it out and your kind comments. Much appreciated.

Love how it builds up!

That's some good work there, love the tasty guitar licks around 6:45ish...thanks for sharing! :)

Love it, hauntingly beautiful!

Searching for albums by Lustmord, Lull, New Risen Throne, Deathwalk, Svartsinn, Nordvargr (Pyrrula album), Vestigial, Inade, Apocryphos, Kammarheit/Cities Last Broadcast, all about the Cyclic Law and Cryo Chamber labels and also the "this is darkness" webzine (here you can find a very interesting topic just about the most personal equipments of various musicians of this genre).
If you mean myself stuff, there are not so much things because I was very discontinued for various personal issues and currently I no longer deal with music. Hope it will be useful for you. Best regards.
-- RossMotus669

You have a great taste in music! I would like to add: Council of Nine, Raison D'etre, beyond Sensory Experience, Desirerii Marginis, Musica Cthulhiana. A modular must for dark ambiant (in my opinion) is a spring reverb unit with a nice big tank!

The user @Zbigniew doesn't answer my messages after I paid (for the Triple Steeple module).
Of course, unforeseen things can happen. Against my habit, I used a bank transfer because the seller had a lot of good feedback. Based on that I convinced myself I could make an exception not to pay with PP covered by buyer protection (Yup, wondering why after all those years ;-) ).
I still hope to close this deal properly, but if you consider buying from @Zbigniew and your messages get answered then be warned.
PS. If I get an update from the seller, I will update this thread accordingly.

I just got an update from @Zbigniew with his apologies and an explanation for his unresponsiveness. I can understand his situation and the reason for the delay. He also promised the module to me this week.

Closing update: I got the module and it's in mint condition. So besides the delay and the lack of response at some point, in the end this was a successful transaction.

EDITED Jun 21st 2023, 06:59

You can find more information in this thread: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/10666

I've been workshopping a track on stream lately, and here it is. The interesting gear component is that I synced my modular synths with my Pigtronix Infinity Looper and Hologram Microcosm via MIDI. It is psychedelic and fun. Runs about 11 minutes:

Patch Notes

Arturia BeatStep Pro BPM 114 Project 09 Key G
Clock [out] ► Mother 32 [TEMPO]
Midi [out] ► DR-670

SEQ 1: 11-12
Pitch [out] ► Circuit Bent VCO [1v/oct]
Gate [out] ► Doepfer Dual ADSR Ch. 1 [gate]
SEQ 2: 11-15
Pitch [out] ► Plaits [V/OCT]
Gate [out] ► Doepfer Dual ADSR Ch. 2 [gate]

DR-670 Drum Machine Kit 5
Drum SEQ 1 - 4

Ibanez Roadstar II ►A/B Box
MicroKorg Vocoder ► A/B Box

A/B Box
Dyna Compressor ► Dark Matter ► Microcosm ► Afterneith ►Infinity Looper

Master Control
► BeatStep Pro
► Pigtronix Infinity Looper

Pigtronix Infinity Looper
► Zedi10 Pan C

WMD Triple Bipolar VCA
Ch. 1 [out] ► Zedi10 Pan C

Erica Synths Pico DSP
Out L ► Quad VCA Ch. 3 [in]

Stoicheia
Ch. 1 [out] ► Plaits [MORPH cv in]

Warps
Main Out ► Milky Way Ch. 1 [in]

Clouds
Out L ► WMD TBVCA Ch. 1 [in]

Circuit Bent VCO
Audio [out] ► Warps [Green in]

Mother 32
VCA [out] ► Pico DSP [in]
Gate [out] ► Stoicheia Ch. 1 [in]

Plaits Green Preset 1
Plaits [Out] ► Quad VCA Ch.2 [in]

Synthesis Technology Quad VCA
Mix Out ► Zedi10 Pan C
Ch. 2 [out] ► Wasp [Audio In]

Doepfer A-124 Wasp
LP [out] ► Clouds [L in]

Endorpin.es Milky Way
Ch.1 [out] ► Quad VCA Ch.1

Doepfer A-140-2 Dual Mini ADSR
Ch.1 [out 1] ► Quad VCA Ch.1 [cv in]
Ch.1 [out 2] ► CB VCO Effect [cv in]
Ch.2 [out 1] ► Quad VCA Ch. 2 [cv in]
Ch.2 [out 2] ► Wasp CV1 [in]

EDITED Jun 19th 2023, 20:17

I melted just about every power header on my first few Befaco builds, always tight builds.
Though my soldering skills have improved now.

Searching for albums by Lustmord, Lull, New Risen Throne, Deathwalk, Svartsinn, Nordvargr (Pyrrula album), Vestigial, Inade, Apocryphos, Kammarheit/Cities Last Broadcast, all about the Cyclic Law and Cryo Chamber labels and also the "this is darkness" webzine (here you can find a very interesting topic just about the most personal equipments of various musicians of this genre).
If you mean myself stuff, there are not so much things because I was very discontinued for various personal issues and currently I no longer deal with music. Hope it will be useful for you. Best regards.

No problem. But my reply was gone off topic maybe... This thread is about to evolve the personal modular setup of the post author into a dark ambient direction and I replied that the large part of the dark ambient musicians plays softwares and not modular gears, except someone of course. Ad also I think it's more better going to sampler and effect gears too, instead of sequencers and/or rhythmic based modules that they don't make so much sense to this scope, because this is a music genre totally based to evocative obscure atmospheres, then rumbles, sinister field recordings, atonals, whispers, voices, disturbant noises, orchestral and choir sequences, and of course dark drones that give the sensation of a large disquiet space. And personally I like very much all of them.

-- RossMotus669

Do you have any music online I can check out?

Want a few noise generators, with many configurations, chromatic responses, filters, and so on? This is the module for you!
Lots o’ great sounding noise.
The build is long, heck there are 110 resistors to put on the boards. And, this one is a little trickier to solder than most, Befaco really packed the board tightly. Intermediate level at least, don’t build this as your first.
But sounds great, and lots of things to mess about with.

Build

Mono. The samples specs are in the manual under "Micro SD Card Slot".

EDITED May 25th 2023, 15:19

does this module play mono or stereo? cant find info about it

Thanks @TumeniKnobs!

I've been on this kick since sometime in early 2022, it's kind of amazing how much variation and experimentation you can do with feedback as your starting point. I'm really loving it.

In my modest opinion....

Do you mind me asking what attracts you to this genre?

-- gumbo23

No problem. But my reply was gone off topic maybe... This thread is about to evolve the personal modular setup of the post author into a dark ambient direction and I replied that the large part of the dark ambient musicians plays softwares and not modular gears, except someone of course. Ad also I think it's more better going to sampler and effect gears too, instead of sequencers and/or rhythmic based modules that they don't make so much sense to this scope, because this is a music genre totally based to evocative obscure atmospheres, then rumbles, sinister field recordings, atonals, whispers, voices, disturbant noises, orchestral and choir sequences, and of course dark drones that give the sensation of a large disquiet space. And personally I like very much all of them.

In my modest opinion, dark ambient started with the "Heresy" album by Lustmord and the rest of his production from there. Also Mick Harris Lull project and all the scandinavian monikers like Svartsinn, Kammarheit, Deathwalk, several Nordvargr albums and many more, passing to an enormous worldwide network artists. But I forgot someones for sure.
As sounds, dark ambient is based to obscure atmospheres with dark drones as portant base (bass sound rumbles generated to low frequency sounds, amplified by lush reverb and slow delay and also to audio impulses like sinister noises, breathing voices, disturbant field recordings and many more.
In this sense, I think the sampler is more useful then any intricated enveloped modular synth patches.
Regular ambient I presume it goes to a more "new age" direction.
Not starting a flame war but this is just my personal opinion.
Please, apologize me for my bad english and because I was been verbose.
-- RossMotus669

Do you mind me asking what attracts you to this genre?

Hey Troux! I've noticed folks falling into the feedback patching hole recently. I was just watching a no-input-mixer-feedback video the other day and was a bit too fascinated by the concept... One of these days I'm sure I'll give it a go, but these are great! I listened to the first one and part of the second one yesterday and will get to the whole of the second one today. Thanks for sharing!

In my modest opinion, dark ambient started with the "Heresy" album by Lustmord and the rest of his production from there. Also Mick Harris Lull project and all the scandinavian monikers like Svartsinn, Kammarheit, Deathwalk, several Nordvargr albums and many more, passing to an enormous worldwide network artists. But I forgot someones for sure.
As sounds, dark ambient is based to obscure atmospheres with dark drones as portant base (bass sound rumbles generated to low frequency sounds, amplified by lush reverb and slow delay and also to audio impulses like sinister noises, breathing voices, disturbant field recordings and many more.
In this sense, I think the sampler is more useful then any intricated enveloped modular synth patches.
Regular ambient I presume it goes to a more "new age" direction.
Not starting a flame war but this is just my personal opinion.
Please, apologize me for my bad english and because I was been verbose.

EDITED May 25th 2023, 10:46

Better late than never... I've been away from music for a while (indulging in my fishkeeping hobby) but just for the sake of completion and for the record:
The original 1036 module from the ARP 2500 did do Track & Hold, and there was nothing wrong with my Behringer module.

Problem was that the Trig switch position requires a hefty trigger voltage before it reacts, so I tried with the Gate position, and that indeed sets it to Track & Hold, and correctly so.

How are you defining dark ambient?

How does it differ from 'regular' ambient?

EDITED May 25th 2023, 07:52

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2258232.jpg

Hi all !
......

Sorry for my bad english. With respect, I'm very.interested to this topic because I like dark.ambient.
First, please consider the large part of dark ambient musicians plays with software. Never seen one of them plays with modular synths (maybe Nordvargr with his Serge synth). Anyway, I suggest you don't waste your time and money with René, sequencers, envelopers and any rhythmically-based gears. Go straight to 3 units:
sampler,
effects (reverb, delay),
LFO.
First of all, Morphagene, if you can afford it. Dark ambient is based to sampling. From the field recording sessions to the minimalistic details.
Also, you need effects of course, in particular reverb and delay (and a bit of distortion too). Eurorack effect modules costs very much but you can solve better with a pedal interface module, like ADDAC 200PI, to connect pedals and stompboxes that you can manipulate in real time. In my modest opinion, reverb pedals like DBA Rooms, Strymon xSky, Eventide and the more cheaper Walrus, Blackhole, Boss, all of them give you more better performance then all the various eurorack pumped monikers.
LFO. You can go with every module you want, you have Batumi and it's perfect.
These are the fundamental ones you need.
About all the rest (more sound sources and modulations) you can go with everything you want.
Hope it could be useful.

I've been wayyyyyyyyyy deep down a "feedback patching" hole (60 hours of recorded audio) and haven't posted in forever, but I was poking my head above ground today and thought I'd say hello to you all. If you're into feedback patching and want to hear some good drones that take their time to develop, check these two most recent pieces of mine out:

feedback vol 1

feedback vol 2

Made with:

I just got mine. In Japan prices dropped down with so many synths options right now. I love the sounds.

Yiiha! Totally missed that feature.

Would be nice to be able to duplicate a module when planning a rack. Maybe a button or so on the top left like the others.
-- maths

This modular piece is an enhanced and extended version of the entry I submitted for the 2023 ModWiggler.com Song Contest. The entry tied for the third place prize. :-) The prize I got was a Flight of Harmony Famine 500 - I have yet to summon the courage to try it...

The challenge was to do a cover song OR an original work, using effects/sound processing to ultimately shape the piece, AND for original works it must use counterpoint, AND all phrases must be an odd number of bars. Each bar can be an even number of beats, 4/4, whatever, but the number of bars per phrase must be odd. I choose to do an original piece. Quite a challenge.

This jam is in Cm. The phrases are 3 bars, four notes per bar. In this extended version I mess with the sequence order quite a bit. The effects that make this interesting to me are three separate delay modules each running at different rates on their parts - makes for some really cool rhythms, especially on the drums and the pluck track. The delays totally change the character of the raw tracks and I fade them in and out to highlight the overall influence.

I made this weird animation with Artmatic so I thought I would try to blend the two videos together.

Detailed Patch Notes are in the description on YouTube. Cheers!

Hi Folks - Just wanted to post my latest recordings. This one is called A Hundred Lamentations and came about while exploring Schlappi Engineering's 100 Grit filter. A very interesting module that makes a ton of crazy cool noises. I was actually feeling really depressed when these brooding wails came out of it, so it fit my mood perfectly at the time (it was work related and has since passed). I also think the animation fits well and is one of my favorite Artmatic pieces to date. Cheers!

Would be nice to be able to duplicate a module when planning a rack. Maybe a button or so on the top left like the others.

totally agree

Hi Folks,

I dont understand. I think this is an important information site about modular synth (not only). Why do you need to write things and thereby "misinform" others? I understand, that you have an opinion behind this, but it belongs more on the forum. I dont uderstand this behaviour.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-abuttacus
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/behringer-foul-play

Of course I have nothing to do with Behringer, they don't pay me anything (although they would!) so it just bothers my precise mind. If I offend Make Noise, should I also rewrite the description of their modules? I don't think this is a solution.

I don't want to offend anyone, I just want this site to continue to be what it was originally intended to be. A useful help for those who, e.g. modular synths are his hobby.

thanks mate!!!

I definitely have more thanks to give than to receive, didn't think I could be so inspired to experiment with my crossfader (Befaco Morphader) by a 3 minute video on a 1U module, but here I am, a happy viewer !

A big big THANK YOU, it really is motivating, as most of the social media has more or less make it difficult fpr my content to pop-up ! Thank you a lot :)

Just wanted to say thanks for the videos you produce (not just this one), I know I'm far from being the only community member who appreciates the work you put in your content - merci merci !

A few example of use of the new 1U utility module of Modulaire Maritime :

@MCGM Very clear description and extremely interesting comparison!
@HGsynth Thanks for this hijacking. But after such an answer, yes my friend, we unfortunately need both :))

I use the Ensemble Oscillator mostly to get a instant evolving drone going and combine it with more sound elements.
I use the SWN mostly to start a complex sequence as a main leading sound theme >

Thanks for the in depth reply! Unfortunately, it looks like the only real answer is to get both, of course! But it seems like the EO might be a better team player in a smaller rack and more immediately impactful. That SWN seems like a dream, though. Maybe someday. Thanks again!

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 22:01

Perhaps they only use it as an office tool, like Word or Excel.
-- ferranadsr

That's exactly how I use the site. I make everything private by default, no different than my grocery list or my budget plans. But if I want to ask questions or collaborate about a rack? Of course then I'll make it public.

Not to hijack the thread, but curious if you had a favorite between the two? Both have peaked my interest, but I've not had the chance to try either.

-- HGsynth

I think, you can archieve similar results with both, for ambient drones, melodies and chords.
I love both.

In short:
If I want do dig deep and focus on one module (maybe for hours) in the patch - I take the SWN.
If I want instant chills - I take the EO

I think the sound of EO is very special and it sounds always amazing no matter how I twist the knobs.
I love the character of bright and spread sounds on the EO.
For my opinion the EO is more fast forward for instant good results. I like that it is based on sinus waves and spreads into 16 voices. You can do very ethereal and bright sounds and even dark twisted sounds with it - very quick.

The Spherical Wavetable Navigator is a very deep and complex module. It has a longer learning curve - and it is more a closed system to run on itself. You can spend hours just tweaking it and discovering amazing sounds without any other module involved in your patch. It has 6 independent voices, based on wavetables that can be morphed with 3 dimensions.
The sound is also amazing and the possibilities are endless.

I think the SWN is sometimes a bit hard to tame, if you dont know excactly what you are doing.

Both have quantization and chord spreads.

I use the Ensemble Oscillator mostly to get a instant evolving drone going and combine it with more sound elements.
I use the SWN mostly to start a complex sequence as a main leading sound theme

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 20:23

Yeah I mean I guess it depends on what modules you have, but IMO powering 185 HP with one uZeus isn't very realistic. I'm not an expert on power and I'm sure others would have recommended a more robust power solution from the beginning, but given that you already have the uZeus, I think a 4MS Row Power 35 would work fine for the remainder of the rack. And yes they can be daisy chained to run off the same power brick, but not to my knowledge with the uZeus. You could go with a second uZeus instead I guess and save money, but my thinking is it would be better to give yourself some elbow room in terms of the -12V rail so that you don't have to worry about running out of power.

Not having everything running off the same power supply can be useful sometimes, for example, if you have a module that's sensitive to picking up interference from other modules, then having the ability to separate them and run them off of different supplies can be handy. I have a pretty large system which includes several uZeus modules, 4MS Pods, and a Row Power 45 in addition to some Dopefer cases, and it's worked out ok for me.

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 17:28

Thanks for your reply! I removed the jumper and one module with 50ma on the -12 bus and now all 3 leds are on. I will monitor the temperature while playing a few minutes... But Are there any better solutions on upgrading mA on the -12v bus than just adding a new set of PSU? I once saw a brand which allows daisy chaining two psu modules. I think it was by 4ms... Its a bit annoying because I thought buying the Boost PSU by Tip top audio would be enough to power the whole row (which is indead very long because it sits on top of 2 other racks)

I would like to be able to search between a minimum and maximum HP width.
-- hjorten

can't you just search by max width and then order by hp and stop looking when you get to the minimum you want?
-- JimHowell1970

Hadn't considered that, it works for now ;).

I would like to be able to search between a minimum and maximum HP width.
-- hjorten

can't you just search by max width and then order by hp and stop looking when you get to the minimum you want?

I applaud you for making a 12 year old meme into a reality.

EDITED May 22nd 2023, 12:33

• 4ms Ensemble Oscillator
  and / or
• 4ms wavetable navigator

I love them for ambient - they are fantastic
For drones, chords, timbres all the chilling fun

-- MCGM

Not to hijack the thread, but curious if you had a favorite between the two? Both have peaked my interest, but I've not had the chance to try either.

I didn´t see first that you already have some modules.

So I would do maybe something like this with it:

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2260218.jpg

You can also swap the firmware of basil to pizza, and you have a fm synth with waveshaping and stuff.

What do you think of this?

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2260141.jpg
(I didnt succeed to import the picture straight into here, without link)

4ms wavetable navigator: Ambient main voice for melodies, drones, chords, timbres - own sequencer, envelopes, or lfos
4ms Ensemble Oscillator: 2. voice for drones, chords, texture, timbres
Plonk: for random percussion and physical modeling
Noise Pleththora + Percall: for ambient noises and rhytmical noise patterns
mini plaits: for additional stuff like drums, perc or synthlines
Ikarie: main stereo filter with vca
Basil: for delay + blurry space FX (in only 8 hp)
Disting: for swappable Utility, such as sample and hold, .....
quad vca: nice vca
ochd: nice lfos in 4 hp.
active mults
Attenuator
Befaco stereo mixer
Befaco outs

Maybe you could at least integrate

• 4ms Ensemble Oscillator
  and / or
• 4ms wavetable navigator

I love them for ambient - they are fantastic
For drones, chords, timbres all the chilling fun

4ms wavetable navigator acts also as sequencer and / or envelope generator / or lfos
You could spare some other utilities for this

4ms Ensemble Oscillator - it just lifts off to new dimensions

maybe - "Bastl Basil" for delay + blurry space FX (in only 8 hp) its quiet new and cool