ai wouldnt be much help. it has not been trained on specific dialogue addressing all the nuance of every single module in all the ways it might come up. i was using ai earlier to generate logic to justify my 'concept', not in design, and im having trouble with every ai app, anyway. i still think if it was trained properly that ai could be a huge feature for this website to help onboard total noobs.

etc.

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maybe, i was trolling a little bit when i first came on here about rack space getting out of hand, and maybe, i do not search up videos on every feature of every module before i post racks for feedback, but, i am good at design, and excell at abstract concepts, and i just didnt appreciate the impression that my 'concepts' werent being appreciated, not that there werent any possible issues with any of the designs i posted at all. i didnt mean to get personal, zack. im here to 'modwiggle'.

((peace ✌️))

EDITED Apr 8th, 15:02

Are you still having AI help out with these?

i mean, you could use the full engine of the plonk to essentially design 8 drum samples per preset just by menu diving through settings on the unit without any sd card.

here, how about this, i give you: 'full band in 80hp':

does that make clearer about how i want each module to contribute maximal flow to contribute to an emergent whole by looking? i think studying modules should be enough.

i miss a few details i sometimes wish yall were better at catching, but i find it possible to understand a given module just through youtube. someone should do a guide. ... ...

peace ✌️

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i challenge any reader who disagrees that i designed a full band in 80hp to post here their own 80hp design and justify why my concept of jazz improv flow was flawed.

EDITED Apr 8th, 14:05

I think we are both having trouble wrapping our heads around an instrument that doesn't exist yet. It's hard to get a sense of something's "flow" before it starts flowing. The best partner for brainstorming is the modules themselves. Especially when you have a very specific idea of what you want that no one seems to understand. You might just need to start.

What do you mean by "generate a kit from pure menus"?

sine wave lfo, with a sin wave sub lfo frequency modulating the first with offset and amplitude, in a stereo configuration, where you can create sub binaural beats between two similar frequency modulated sine wave lfo signals as a kind of 'spread'.

call it, the:

'bi-wompus, by fourier headspace',,

peace ✌️

i think we just have different aesthetics zack

what i see, is, a mandala i wish did more in a smaller footprint that got rid of the cv outs, a squid sample i wish wasnt even a sampler but instead used the plonk engine somehow to generate a kit from pure menus and also took up less real estate, and a bunch of other modules to consider, that arent even utilities and, also, not even the ones you mentioned.

theres like a flow characteristic im trying to capture, and the whole 100hp gimmick holds significance for me, too, and i just dont feel that any of your module suggestions have been getting me closer to 'my ideal'. ...

honestly, it feels to me like you should be trying better to understand "the flow" im trying to create before you tell me to add more vcas, which i dont even see 'fitting'.

im not against considering new modules, just the ones im seeing arent making sense to me how i am thinking about my own concept and how i want improv to flow.

thanks for trying, i guess, but i still stand by that im not getting the feedback was hoped.

peace ✌️

Let me know if there are any questions. I probably wouldn't keep them in this arrangement, though. These are just the module ideas. Only you will know when you have synergy with your modular system, and you won't really know until you're playing it.

EDITED Apr 8th, 10:21

its just, from my point of view, im trying to go for a certain kind of synergy, and none of the feedback i hear is guiding me directly toward more synergy, but instead toward a more typical standard direction, which does not align with the concept as stated. etc. ...

here, how about this, i incorporated even more feedback, put it into a real kind of case i can get, and filled the first 3u row with the bare minimum i could possibly think of. ... ...

how about, to show me more things i should be considering, you attempt to fill in maybe even the full other two rows, which should roughly be within my budget, etcetera. ... ...

up for the challenge of trying to fill this in?

peace ✌️

I don't have any exprience with this module, but unless all your racks are running close to their power limit it really sound like something is wrong with the module.

I'd recommend to do current measurements to see if it exceeds the rated 160mA on any of the rails.

This is my general suggestion. A few tweaks here and there, plus some utilities, and the overall concept works fine. Some of the really big modules are questionable, but I also have really big modules and love them, so I won't bother questioning it. If you have any questions, I can answer them, but I do think every module type included here is necessary to make this work as you intend.

Also, I made it 104hp. 104hp is easy to get. 100hp is not easy to get. You'll pretty much have to make it yourself. Why torture yourself to have less space?

edit: The thumbnail doesn't seem to want to work properly. Just click on it and the rack should appear normally.

EDITED Apr 8th, 08:24

vocaloid is to pop music, as modular synthesis is to electronic music.

agree? disagree? thoughts??

peace ✌️

(also, am i crazy or did it really sound like lady gaga used modular synthesis on her latest album?)

((just a regular guy using forums to discuss things. yup. ... ...))

yeah, but id really rather prefer not to have to collect samples and manage sd cards. i love the plonk engine, i wish it could be extended to be able to design 8 voices at once, with some common paramiters you could tweak live, so i could just 'design' a kit all at once right from the case itself. etc.

i think other people would find this useful.

etc. etc. etc.

peace ✌️

check my latest post in racks. i incorporated hella advice. peace. ✌️

no. i could probably get together somewhere around $6,000 eventually for some kind of 'total instrument' one time investment, but the last thread you commented on was not it. the clockwork could not be clocked from the pamela's workout, and other issues. i would need to feel great about a design before i committed and i still dont feel absolutely great about any of the rack layouts i have on here yet. check out my latest thread in the racks subforum which has something much closer to final i would like you to give more feedback on, please.

peace ✌️

Have you purchased any modules yet?

You have been given an insane amount of startup advice for Eurorack over the time you have been posting on this site. You should definitely go back and read what was said by multiple people then, because that was the information about how to get started in modular that you are claiming does not exist.

Sounds like a massive expensive module, build your own in VCV.

Sample based maybe, check the ALM Squid Sample.

Seems like a random collection of modules in a random placement.
It'll make noises, but as an instrument, it's unclear what you're after, beyond a display of stuff you want.
-- noodle_hut

this was just before i found out that the strange-r bighat existed. i was trying to do exactly what it does, more or less, as a concept, but just then i found out there was something that did this and so much more. kind of a synchronicity that i was trying to design essentially just this before i found it. im used to forums where threads get 20 replies in a day, etcetera. the bugs i was experiencing were probably just on my android phone, mostly, and probably not actually an indication that all the forum software is wrong. it just seems like there is no real guide to get started in modular, and, imho, just posting on this forum doesnt seems like as much of a spring board as it could be if things were more active on here. im going through my own personal stuff right now. just... not seeming to receive enough real time feedback, like i would expect from an active global forum, was just an added discomfort to my situation. etc.

sorry. all my accounts are messed up. i dont receive notifications like im supposed to. i have to check all the forums manually, etc.

peace out ✌️✌️

like i said, im trying to condense some space,

so one thing that would really help me there would be:

a plonk style module, where you configure a whole kit, and it only takes 8 triggers in, and has 8 audio outs, with a bonus summed out, and no other bells and whistles at all. ... ... ...

i dont know of anything just lile that, just like an 8 mono channel trigger only sampler, but with a plonk style engine, in the smallest footprint possible, with zero cv dynamics.

i dont know if there is anyone that wants to build exactly this, but something like thar i would find helpful to my current "design" efforts. idk. maybe intellij likes the idea. ...

peace ✌️

im working on some concepts,

and the idea comes to mind,

for an "pamela's extreme workout": ...

that is twice the width, has a full square screen, has buttons per out that default to mute but are assignable, has menu options for clock multiplication and division that can get it to work just like a clocky, has some kind of menu configuration where you can program trigger sequences like a mandala, and also options to quickly load in standard and savable drum sequence configurations,

so on top of everything else, it can be 100% a go to drum sequencer for any setup, maybe with some generative randomness thrown in for good measure, and 3 5 7 divisions, too.

just trying to clean up some of my "designs" and i think something lile this would really help. ... ... as in: "hey, how about even more menus?" etc. ... just a suggestion of course...

peace ✌️

Anyone else experiencing weird power issues with the Audio Gear Obsession DYNAMICENGINE compressor limiter?

I've already contacted the manufacturer shortly after purchasing this module, and sent it to them for inspection. Unfortunately, they couldn't reproduce the problem and suggested keeping the module in its own case, which seems impractical and defeats the purpose of Eurorack.

Original Issue:
Mounted in my Doepfer Monster case.
Nothing plugged into the I/O.
Attack set to fastest (see image1 - Full module setup).
When powered up, the compressor appears fully engaged, with the blue LEDs lit from top to bottom (see image2 - LEDs fully lit). To resolve this, I turn the attack knob to slower, and the LEDs fade back to unlit.
image1 - Full module setup

image2 - LEDs fully lit

I have already tried putting this in my other cases, including: doepfer monster 6u base, monster 9u case, monster 12u case, MDLR 14u case, and IntelliJel palette cases.
I have also tried numerous different power cables with module.
None of these fix this problem.

EDITED Apr 8th, 11:39

thanks everyone, i went with the 100 grit and the mutable peaks. But I also tested out the BYOME and LFOTools vsts and they are amazing in the chain. I didn't realize how badly I needed filter and envelope in the chain. it sounds way better and a lot more detail. wish I had known this a long time ago, but at least this will be a good finish for this rack. now my next move will have to be a new case sigh

I really love that idea!

i have been trying to design a configuration that: 1. is completely self contained. 2. allows for live improvisation. 3. can handle key shifts and advanced drum sequencing.

i think i have something that you all might agree meets those "three bullet points", etc. ...

i realize my last attempt had some flaws.

would really like some constructive criticism beyond 'disagreeing with my three criteria'...

thanks. ✌️

(edit)

oops, i wasnt paying enough attention. i thought the mandala had a gate in per channel as well. i guess that clocky is kind of redundant, then, but, i had some extra space to fill, though. maybe i have just not found the perfect drum sequencer for me. idk. ...

oh well.

(edit edit)

i guess i could use stackable cables and feed both the clocky and mandala into the assimil8or at the same time that way and this all still makes sense. idk. i just added the clocky to fill space, anyway. idk. idk. idk.

EDITED Apr 7th, 20:47

I think the real question is whether or not whats being made is meaningfully different per session. Though you certainly can't get there without going here first!

This system features Jonah Senzel's Pet Rock to produce a new gate sequence each day, Instruo Scion to produce random melodies from plants, and Evaton Technologies' RF Nomad to grab radio static that varies depending on your location. With all these modules, you can be sure that whatever music you make will only ever exist once.

I put together this selection of modules in an Intelligel Palette to make the spookiest possible noises in a small package. Scare the shit out of your friends, or even yourself. I probably won't have money to make this anytime soon

Hey Plieuwski,
that's amazing! Thanks a lot for this tip, mate! That seems like a very straightforward application, indeed.
I did some further research and a couple of other modules that can do something like that are the Endorphin.es 'Total Recall' and the Shakmat 'Harlequin's Context'. The former is more of a hassle to program (especially in comparison to the Klavis it seems). The latter is a complex masterpiece of a module too. It does allows however the offset signal to morph into an LFO (with possibilities of attenuation as the curbe continues, truly amazing).

If one would want to approach this with bread and butter modules, the chain I could come up with is:
offset signal -> comparator -> sample and hold -> attenuverting mixer -> switch. The patching is quite intricate for a rather simple on an abstract level idea, I'd say. I guess it just goes to show how patching difficulty in modular doesn't necessarily reflect the difficulty to comprehend an idea. Sometimes difficult concepts could be patched quite easily and vice versa.

Of the stuff you mentioned, the Neo-Trinity seems like the best call.

An Ochd would probably make this work better, too. Another solid option would be attenuverters.

I can't say the Pizza is good for this rack, but I do love it and its different firmwares.

EDITED Apr 6th, 21:31

Hi all,

Would love to get some feedback on my rack, suggestions on what's missing, and thoughts on what you'd do with the last 8 HP.

A few notes:
* Music style includes everything from hip-hop to EDM to hyperpop; I definitely lean toward more aggressive sounds, but no harsh noise or anything like that.
* I've got a Minibrute 2S that I use for sequencing, some utilities, and a standard subtractive voice. Having two sequencing tracks that can be dedicated to gates, pitch, voltage, or envelopes frees up the need for some of that in-rack.
* I use a desktop mixer and haven't felt the need for a traditional in-rack mixer/output module.
* The West Pest may stand out as a weird choice. It was my re-introduction to modular after briefly owning a 0-Coast and DFAM back when I was first getting into synths. The wavefolder is great, and the low pass gate is nice to have. The additional LFOs, simple sequencer/arpeggiator, and other utilities it provides don't really justify taking up 40 hp, but they make me not hate having it around. Still, if I need to free up some room in the rack, it'd likely be the first to go. Its semi-modular form means I could use it outside of the rack as well if I really wanted to, but honestly if I get to that point I might start a second rack.
* I have a Novation Peak and a Moog Sub 37, so no huge desire for ladder filters or polyphony in the rack.
* I feel kind of dumb for having a second O_C in a rack of this size, but it just does so much at a great price. I've tried to avoid going too menu/screen heavy, but I don't mind the moderate menu-diving of Phaserville. They're both Teensy 4.0 models so I could put Squares and Circles on one if I want. Currently, one gets used for quantization/sequencing, while the other (in the mail now) will likely be used for modulation and utilities.
* I've considered adding a dedicated Midi-to-CV module to use with my Polyend Tracker Mini or DAW, but I kind of like how the modular workflow has made me get away from my traditional sequencing workflow.
* I haven't added any dedicated audio effect modules because I have also play guitar and have a pretty solid lineup of pedals. I also have an SP-404 which helps on the fx front and has quelled my interest in adding sampling to the rack.
* Top contenders for the remaining space include the MCO mkii, Bastl Pizza, the Axon-2 expander for Pam's, or a Bastl Neo Trinity. But I probably don't need any additional voices and while I'm sure I'd enjoy the added performability of the Axon-2, I've found myself a little hesitant to use it to fill my remaining space.

Thanks for reading and taking the time to weigh in!

Klavis
Flexshaper?

Nice work.
Any hints of what modules you used?

EDITED Apr 6th, 14:56

Improvised electronic soundscapes with Modular Synthesizers :
- Moog System 55 (rented)
- Erica Synths Black System
- NLC Weird Random System.

https://jihel.bandcamp.com/album/raw-modular-fragments

A really good relaxing listen, I do like a bit of static crackle too.

I jam a lot during the week, but I never really do anything with it.
During those jams, I’m usually exploring different concepts of modular synthesis.
So I thought: why not record them?
And why not share them here?

Just one camera, one take, no talking.
I add a bit of text to explain what’s going on.

I’d love to hear if you enjoy this format.
Let me know if you like this kind of video:
short jams, a bit of insight —
something to listen to, and maybe learn from.

Took a break again, but was listening to a bunch of different favs of mine and started thinking of different ways to use the Squid Salmple, tried it out here and think it turned out pretty well! The patch is simple, some filters, loops, keys, and an Akemie's Castle as the sound source. Might try another version with a bit more modulation, but in the meantime give it a listen.

Hey, I am currently looking into making an expressive modular synth which I would like to play with the Expressive E Touché controller. I have stumbled into the puzzle of using the Touché as a macro control and wanting to map the 4 CV signals available to different modulation curves. I am looking for a way to recreate the remap function in Pigments where one can enter breakpoints to change the trajectory of a modulation curve (see pictures below). Another DAW example is the Performer max for live device.

I imagine doing this in modular with more than one breakpoint would be complex. But maybe there's a reasonable way of doing something like that with at least one breakpoint? I imagine it would involve a comparator to send a gate and 'mark' the breakpoint and then maybe some combo of a switch and s&h but I can't quite get my head around it. I've been experimenting in VCV rack and just can't pin down a straight forward way of achieving this. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

hi there,

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it has internal sounds and also MIDI (and of course audio) out !

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wish you all a nice weekend

EDITED Apr 5th, 16:59

noise plethora + percall + muxslicer is fun

for wonky noise rhythms

you can test them in vcv rack

the analog filters of noise plethora are cool in the hardware module

maybe get a pams workout 🤖

that befaco plethora looks so amazing, but it's expensive. I wonder if it would be worth the extra 200$ over the mutable peaks, I mean it would be it seems but....my rig is already pretty noise....damn this is hard lol

Hi,
Obviously, they're different modules. If your complaint is that everything "sounds the same" in your set, you'll need another voice, or a filter with character, or a reverb, or a granular module...
Modulation is essential, but in this case, it won't radically change the sound.
The problem is that if you add another voice or effect, you'll need more modulation... LOL.

A standard VCO can be transformed into a very special sound source with a good filter. If you prefer "noisy" or "distorted" sounds, 100 grit might be a good idea.
If you want to add these types of sounds, you also have Befaco Plethora, two digital sound sources with three banks of noise-based algorithms.
The great thing about this module is that it incorporates two multimode resonant filters. It can be used for textures and drones, and it also shines on percussion.
-- ferranadsr

that befaco plethora looks so amazing, but it's expensive. I wonder if it would be worth the extra 200$ over the mutable peaks, I mean it would be it seems but....my rig is already pretty noise....damn this is hard lol

I have the hosa version of those cables. My mixer is on DB25 connectors, so I just have patchbay in an 19 equiment rack on the of side my desk. That is what I doing now. I just wanted to clean up all the patch cable and run everything to a central location.

EDITED Apr 4th, 06:01

It’s the two-year anniversary of my YouTube channel! I'm so grateful for what this channel has brought me. In this video I play you one of my favourite patches that is also going to be on my EP and I reflect on two years of Raaf. Enjoy!

A standard VCO can be transformed into a very special sound source with a good filter. If you prefer "noisy" or "distorted" sounds, 100 grit might be a good idea.
If you want to add these types of sounds, you also have Befaco Plethora, two digital sound sources with three banks of noise-based algorithms.
The great thing about this module is that it incorporates two multimode resonant filters. It can be used for textures and drones, and it also shines on percussion.

The filter suggestion is (for me, at least) not so much about a filtering effect added to the final product as it is about articulating the sound of an oscillator by sending it through a closed voltage-controlled filter and then opening it using a envelope that you've triggered. It's the same subtractive synthesis thing that drives more basic synthesizers, but I think even in this noisier, seemingly more unrestrained setup it will allow you to get lots of tonal and rhythmic variety out of your setup.
You'll also be able to do this with one of your VCAs, and exploring an envelope/function generator will probably do you more good first, but a good filter just gives it extra shape and character. Not only will be a great source of sounds (especially if it self-oscillates), but it will improve your experience with the Doepfer A-110 or whatever other sound source you decide on.

EDITED Apr 3rd, 00:46

I got the A110 because I thought it would be better, and it was when I got it out the box. But when I got used to it, i realized it wasn't as powerful as the interstellar radio (for what I am doing).

A110 it's a basic oscillator with SoftSync and LFM...doesn't hide many surprises. If you are not going to use it as a voice, you can always use it for audio-ratio modulation.
You can give it a new use if you combine it with AngleGrinder or 100 Grit. I think both are good suggestions.
-- ferranadsr

I have been using it in the signal in for the interstellar radio, and for the reset in for the LFO sometimes. I still get use for it, but it just doesn't really compete with interstellar radio. Of all the modules I have that I might sell, that is one of them.

So...you want to add another sound source to this?

I also tend to make a lot of noisy distorted stuff that isn't necessarily traditional synth sounds, but you need some articulation and modulation in here. A quality filter (100 Grit and Angle Grinder would both work for what you want while still doing filtering, and based on what you have so far they are good picks, but there are others) and an envelope/function generator (the more the merrier – a Mutable Peaks clone might be good for function vs space, but just look around and see what looks good) would go a long way towards making this much more versatile.
-- Zacksname

I really like the idea of the 100 grit or angle grinder, but i found a good filter VST the other day. The unfiltered audio BYOME, and it has blown me away. But I am having a problem because it pushes my computers CPU to it's limits. Even with a mini PC that I ran latencymon on and did a lot of research online to find one that would have low latency. And bought an audio interface, the ultralite mk5, that I researched to find something I thought would be able to handle these kinds of loads.

So I would still consider getting an actual filter module like those two, which is what I was originally going to do. But I have long thought I needed some sort of envelope too, like you said. It's the one thing that makes me feel like the rack isn't "pro" or "official" yet, but I've had a hard time deciding which one to get. I will probalby look into something like that, thank you.

So...you want to add another sound source to this?

I also tend to make a lot of noisy distorted stuff that isn't necessarily traditional synth sounds, but you need some articulation and modulation in here. A quality filter (100 Grit and Angle Grinder would both work for what you want while still doing filtering, and based on what you have so far they are good picks, but there are others) and an envelope/function generator (the more the merrier – a Mutable Peaks clone might be good for function vs space, but just look around and see what looks good) would go a long way towards making this much more versatile.

EDITED Apr 2nd, 17:33

I got the A110 because I thought it would be better, and it was when I got it out the box. But when I got used to it, i realized it wasn't as powerful as the interstellar radio (for what I am doing).

A110 it's a basic oscillator with SoftSync and LFM...doesn't hide many surprises. If you are not going to use it as a voice, you can always use it for audio-ratio modulation.
You can give it a new use if you combine it with AngleGrinder or 100 Grit. I think both are good suggestions.

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