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Ended up starting with a Pam’s, plaits and beads… already having a blast. Should be years of fun and experimentation ahead. And I think the mantis was a solid choice. Not massive but room to build something interesting.

Thanks again to everyone for the helpful feedback and ideas!

EDITED Aug 6th 2022, 17:32

Hi guys - album #3 Hot Wisdom - just out. Produced on modular and MPC.

Bandcamp: https://sokamiru.bandcamp.com/album/hot-wisdom
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3Syoks8
Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/gb/album/hot-wisdom/1637163387

Hope you find this fun beats

Ran it through audacity to remove dead space on track. Used Jomox bass and WMD percussion modules with Doepfer and Plaits for the voices.
-- sacguy71

Mister ''I Know Everything'' Doesn't manage to record his tracks in stereo.
-- Next_G

Hey Mr. Next G A$$hole where did I ever say that I knew everything? You never post anything constructive or useful here and are nothing but a filthy troll. Take your crap elsewhere.

Hey Mr Next_G clown hide behind keyboard warrior, why don't you post your tracks and how to solve issues to help folks here instead of being a sniping dickhead? You are a clown and jerk. Oh BTW the audio is stereo from DAW. Maybe get your hearing checked?

Hey MG! It’s been a few years and I was wondering if there are any plans to change the subscription service as it is now. I’d love a way to buy a “lifetime” pass for a reduced rate. I only use the site a few times a year to arrange things or add/delete a module here or there, I end up going a couple years before I’ll re-subscribe.

Best filter i ever had was the Blue Lantern Asteroid, awesome madness and very versatile. Stupidly sold it though. Currently i use the Blue Lantern Hermippe, its quite boring, similar to the Make Noise MMG, but it has the deepest wide ranging bass when resonating. Just got the Schlappi 100 Grit and love its dirty glitch and distortion.

Actually, this is a major symptom of using either the wrong VCA or wrong envelope behavior. When you use linear VCAs and/or linear envelopes, this can happen because our ears aren't linear with respect to "apparent loudness". We hear exponentially as far as volume is concerned, and the Decibel scale reflects that.

The actual fix here isn't a noise gate (sorta-kinda)... --Lugia

Lugia, thanks for the info but in my current patch there is no VCA after the filter, and the noise is present when there is no envelope going at all. And yes a noise gate gets rid of it. As I said, a VCA after the filter could also take care of it, thank you for elaborating on that. I'm aware of the rule of thumb you site in regards to linear vs exponential VCAs, I would just point out that as with any rule, there are exceptions. I use my ears and do whatever works for the current situation. A lot of my VCAs have adjustable response curves, so it's easy to go back and forth between linear and exponential without having to use another VCA.

The Frequensteiner sounds great but is a notoriously noisy filter, that's the only reason I mentioned it.

EDITED Aug 6th 2022, 12:55

Very clean and warm sound !

Hope you find this fun beats

Ran it through audacity to remove dead space on track. Used Jomox bass and WMD percussion modules with Doepfer and Plaits for the voices.
-- sacguy71

Mister ''I Know Everything'' Doesn't manage to record his tracks in stereo.

I love the Doepfer SEM and Wasp filters quite amazing and less expensive than a lot other filters. Here is a good demo of the Doepfer SEM filter sweep I used today

Hope you find this fun beats

Ran it through audacity to remove dead space on track. Used Jomox bass and WMD percussion modules with Doepfer and Plaits for the voices.

And yes it can be a little noisy but a noise gate like the one from Ladik or the one in the FX Aid takes care of that easily. You may also be able to handle that by simply putting it in front of a VCA, depending on how you're using it. But anyway it sounds fantastic.
-- adaris

Actually, this is a major symptom of using either the wrong VCA or wrong envelope behavior. When you use linear VCAs and/or linear envelopes, this can happen because our ears aren't linear with respect to "apparent loudness". We hear exponentially as far as volume is concerned, and the Decibel scale reflects that.

The actual fix here isn't a noise gate (sorta-kinda), it would be one of the following:

• Change the VCA after those filters. This needs to be an exponential VCA, or a "multi-topology" one like the Veils VCAs that's been set to exponential response. Or...

• Keep the linear VCA...but send it an exponential envelope.

Now, the reason I said "sorta-kinda" above is because, when you do this correctly, it actually has some dynamics elements in common with a noise gate. The response of these VCAs when properly set is actually VERY close to the sort of thing going on with a noise gate, inasmuch as the noise will fall nearly to or all the way to inaudibility when there's no generated audio thruput.

Rule of thumb: LINEAR is for DC, low rate modulation signals, and basic audio use upstream from the final output stages. EXPONENTIAL is for any audio rate signal, and NOT DC or low rate modulation. Many exponential VCAs aren't DC-coupled, so if you try and pass DC or a low rate mod signal through one, you'll get either nothing or a very attenuated output signal as far as those signals go. Very useful to keep in mind when trying to keep DC out of your monitoring setup!

I'm definitely a fan of the Bastl Cinnamon, in fact I have 3 of them. I saw the Frequensteiner mentioned above as well, I recently got a hold of one of these and have quickly become a fan, in particular of the bandpass and highpass modes. You do have to be careful where you put it in your rack due it's propensity to pick up signals from other modules, but I've got it in a Doepfer mini case with just a couple other filters so as long as I'm not using them at the same time as the Frequensteiner it's not a problem. And yes it can be a little noisy but a noise gate like the one from Ladik or the one in the FX Aid takes care of that easily. You may also be able to handle that by simply putting it in front of a VCA, depending on how you're using it. But anyway it sounds fantastic.

EDITED Aug 6th 2022, 01:13

I'm still finding the "Command Center" (unicorn account) very frustrating. I have a lot of rack plans, for two different size racks, but the preview sizes of the racks constantly changes, but not uniformly, so the previews of some racks are bigger than others even thought the racks are the same size (same number of rows, same HP). Refreshing the page constantly changes the preview sizes in different ways that I can't understsand. It wasn't like this when I first started using the system - all the previews would appear the same size if the racks were the same size. I thought it was related to the length of the rack names - if they wrapped to two lines - but even if all names fit on a single line I still get this erratic behaviour. It seems very buggy and inconsistent - I'd like to see an overhauled Command Center layout where each rack design fits a designated space, with allowance made for word-wrapping titles that don't affect the placement of the previews and previews that are a consistent size - i.e. all previews in all row fitting the same width, with just the height varying to maintain aspect ratio. This is the sort of thing I do myself when making website layouts with HTML/CSS for image galleries (e.g. real estate listings) [note: this happens in both Chrome and Firefox on my Win 7 Pro machine, latest versions of both browsers]

EDITED Aug 5th 2022, 22:07

Maybe look at Cosmix vs that larger SUM2? 28HP vs 16
Starlab is a really cool looking module but not sure its 28HP in a smaller build cool :)
FX Aid Pro is 14HP (vs 28HP)...those two things alone will give you a lot of options in the future.

I have a two 6U Rackbrutes setup and my largest modules are Maths and Morphagene at 20HP and all my drums are external with MPC Live 2 and TR-8S...except for BIA which is in my rack

The only real way to tell if you're going to need more VCA's is to start patching things up and if you find yourself saying "damn, i wish i had another VCA" well...then you know if you need more VCA's :)

EDITED Feb 27th 2023, 07:33

Good suggestions as always, thanks. I've definitely thought of moving the Moskwa and Ostankino next to the Erica sequencer. I change modules around every time I take things out of the case, so I don't mind moving stuff around. (And yes, I know, the organization here could definitely be improved.)

I've thought about adding Hrad, too, but alas... right now it seems to be out of stock everywhere in the world.

There should be no hp...this thing is full to bursting...even managed to steal a few of HP from the Rackbrutes...each 3U row can fit 1 extra HP more than advertised which across two racks is 4hp of space for free!

A few things immediately come to mind...first up, you should add the "master" module to the Praga. It'll be useful for quite a few things. And yes, add a matrix mixer; in a build of this size and complexity, you've got plenty of sources to screw around with via one of those. Plus, add the expanders for the Batumi and Zadar. You'll want the extra functions.

But the big thing I would change is the organization here. Everything seems to be laid out in a hodgepodge manner, which is definitely going to add to that "overwhelming" sensation. But by putting things together in functional groups, you can cut that problem down to size. Sources...modifiers...modulators...effects...etc, that sort of thing. It also leads to different methods of exploration...for example, if you had the Black Sequencer AND the Moskwa in proximity, you might notice that there's a possibility there that hadn't presented itself before. Same goes for having the logic modules and clock modifiers in proximity, and so on. Yeah, it sounds like a total PITA to do that, but trust me...in the end, the effort's got rewards.

Hmm...OK, for starters, you won't need two P/Ss. One of several hefty power supplies on the market can supply the juice for the whole cab. You just have to make sure that you've still got about 25% MORE capacity than the modules themselves draw so that you can avoid problems with current inrush when switching the modular on. Choosing proven Eurorack supplies is something I recommend as well, since that one component has the highest potential for causing trouble for the entire rig.

[short pause to wail on rack above]

OK...well, this came out fairly well, but you'll notice some things immediately missing, with the most notable example there being the Plasma Overdrive. I just don't think it's a really good idea to put some sort of gas discharge tube inside a closed-up cab where there's plenty of opportunities for any electrical noise from that module to get into all sorts of other things.

TOP: I got rid of the Intellijel I/O, deferring instead to the more useful (albeit mono) Doepfer A-119, which gives you an envelope follower so your input levels can be extracted to use as a modulation source. The A-119 also provides a gate (with threshold) that can key at your desired level. Next is a pair of Noise Reap's take on dual VCOs, the Paradox. These have a "sorta-sync" and some odd FM capabilities that you don't tend to see in this module size. Very timbrally versatile. Plus, as if that wasn't enough, Antimatter's Crossfold Waveshaper lets you take outputs from TWO oscillators and "smushes" them together, along with the more typical wavefolding duties. That module also replaces the Plasma Overdrive, and does so with a much more capable module. Codex Modulex's clone of Veils gives you four VCAs with the typical Veils features...variable response curve, breakable mixbus, etc. After this, I set Rings in there so that it functions as a "filter" with mono-in/stereo-out. Similarly, the Zagrezb has a stereo out as well. So with a pair of stereo signals incoming, plus the point about FX, I put in a Toppobrillo Stereomix2. This mixer has VCAs on all four inputs, plus CV control over panning and AUX send, and it also has a mono-out/stereo-in FX bus, CUE bus capabilities (which helps with the tweak-on-fly needs), mutes per channel...in short, it's a far better idea as it'll be a good fit for live work, studio or otherwise.

BOTTOM: There's the power supply. I overspecced the HELL out of it so that you can reuse the P/S (a 4ms Row Power 45) in larger builds later on. Plus, by having a P/S with a LOT of current headroom, it will run cooler, which you definitely want as heat is a component-killer, plus it can lead to plenty of instabilities due to thermal effects. MIDI interface next, then the Octasource. The Octasource is interesting...unlike the Ochd which is seeing a lot of use as of late, this LFO only has one rate being outputted...but via a phasing network so that you have offsets every 45 degrees with the same waveform. This fits really well with the various modulation schemes here...the Paradoxes alone can be made to act VERY nuts with this LFO. Next from Toppobrillo is their half-a-Maths, the Sport Modulator2. No room for Maths? This is a damn good substitute, which uses the same sort of Serge Dual Universal Slope Gen core as Maths, etc, but with the few odd tricks of its own. The Frap 321 and Erica PICO VCA are the "manipulation core" for your modulation signals, so that you can add offsets, invert signals, mix 'em, and on and on. Then the envelope duties are handled with a Xaoc Zadar (and Nin expander). Then the next two modules are your effects...the Mimeophon (which would make a good destination for the Rings' stereo output, actually) and a Frequency Central Stasis Leak...tap delay, chorus, reverb with a mono in and stereo out...just like the Stereomix2 wants. Then the final outs are last, via one of the updated Happy Nerding Isolators...which not only gives you a pair of balanced 1/4" outs, it has a 1/4" out for your headphones as well. So you can monitor the mix from that...or if you need the cue, just shift the headphone plug to the Stereomix2's headphone out.

Not too shabby, I think...this hits all of the desired points, plus it's really good with ergonomics and control density as well.

EDITED Aug 5th 2022, 02:53

just wondering if the unicorn account increases the maximum size of pedal boards too?
-- Iggy_ogg

Yep. Racks, pedalboards, and "other things" can be substantially increased in size with a Unicorn account.

Been having fun with modular for quite a while... my first go-round was back in the late 90s with a 15u Doepfer system. Then I took a long break from music (huge mistake, selling everything!) but finally got back into synths 5 years ago.

I'm really delighted with how this system has come together, and what wild things it can do (unimaginable, really, back when I had that Doepfer system). I rarely patch the whole thing at once, as it's a bit overwhelming... I have an Intellijel 4.5u 104hp case that I use most of the time, taking modules out of the larger system and playing around with smaller subsets (I didn't post the 1u modules here, but the usual Intellijel utility stuff, with some NLC spice).

At this point, I have 27 empty hp to play with. Not in any particular hurry to fill them, but I'm curious if the experts here see any particular important missing elements that I've somehow overlooked (one that comes to mind is a matrix mixer, probably the Lion from Instruo, given that there's a Lion shaped hole right next to all of the other Instruo modules). One thing is for certain, and that is that I have plenty of oscillators/voices... too many, really, though choices are always nice.

p.s. the website is being a little flaky... there should be a Happy Nerding 3xMIA to the left of the 3xVCA... not sure why it isn't showing up here.

EDITED Aug 5th 2022, 00:19

Doesn't matter how I would use it... it's your system!

Definitely seems light on VCAs. I'd try to sneak in another dual VCA module somewhere, if there's something you feel you could sell (the version the link goes to has a few blank HP that would work nicely... this version here in the picture doesn't... not sure which is correct).

Mine just arrived, and my first comment is this thing only barely fits in the TipTop Z-rails. You really have to jam the thing in to spread the rails enough to fit. Otherwise seems to work as advertised so far. Also got the Decca and it fit without issue. The quality to me is just average, but I accept the micro controls are a challenge to implement with a "quality" feel. Pretty sure it will be a keeper.

EDITED Aug 14th 2022, 05:50

This rack is planned to be paired with a digitakt.
I want this to be very performative, even change it´s patch live.
A 2 voice and effect procesor is the goal here.

Well you know what people say "you can never have enough cowbell"...

hi there,

just wondering if the unicorn account increases the maximum size of pedal boards too?
-- Iggy_ogg

yes, currently it increases max width from 820 to 1600 and max height from 400 to 1400.

Yeah, there was an issue with the rack, it wasn't showing up in the forum post how it was configured so I deleted it and now...well...I can't even delete this forum thread, sorry.
-- rayvon05

you can edit and replace the link with the correct one though!!!

NB it has to be public - so we can open it etc

EDITED Aug 4th 2022, 17:04

planning ahead for my first rack, what do you think? should i go for 104hp instead?
-- katef

I think you still need more cowbell, though ^_^

-- giraffe_giraffe

Would that be the AND or the OR cowbell?

-- Lugia

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Yeah, there was an issue with the rack, it wasn't showing up in the forum post how it was configured so I deleted it and now...well...I can't even delete this forum thread, sorry.

the link doesn't work... please fix it!!!

Here it is.

This isn't a pipe dream, this is a done thing.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and how you would use it.

The goal is for dark ambient soundscapes.

Hiding out of the rack is a Boog, a digitakt and a digitone

Here it is.

This isn't a pipe dream, this is a done thing.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and how you would use it.

The goal is for dark ambient soundscapes.

Hiding out of the rack is a Boog.

There's a Digitakt and Digitone for back up if required.

EDITED Aug 4th 2022, 12:16

hi there,

just wondering if the unicorn account increases the maximum size of pedal boards too?

planning ahead for my first rack, what do you think? should i go for 104hp instead?
-- katef

I think you still need more cowbell, though ^_^

-- giraffe_giraffe

Would that be the AND or the OR cowbell?

Anyone else finding the Pam's PX2 TRS Midi out won't clock this module? I have tried both Midi "type" jumper settings.

I got my NiftyKeyz recently and I love it. I'm just starting on this journey too, having bought a Minibrute 2S a few months earlier. Here's my rig:

I'm in the process of ordering he five modules to the right of the Dreadbox Nostalgia - hopefully it'll get here by next week.

Having the delay and phaser really help add depth to the sounds. I haven't figured everything out yet, but using the arp on the NiftyKeyz with the delay, I've gotten some pretty cool sounds out of it. I'm looking forward to having three voices when the Castor & Pollux gets here! I haven't even tried linking it up with the Minibrute yet. It's a good thing the Steppy has four separate outputs. Don't forget that you have an additional modulation source from the Niftykeyz itself - it's built-in LFO, controlled from the modwheel.

I love this Modular On the Roof video (as well as the others), so I had to build the rack here.

planning ahead for my first rack, what do you think? should i go for 104hp instead?
-- katef

I think you still need more cowbell, though ^_^

I have recently discovered Cosmotronic modules from the Netherlands and their Vortex complex oscillator is now on my wishlist.

When I had a DFAM and Subharmonicon the two modules I wanted were a quantizer and a switch, the switch lets you increase the DFAM to 16 or more steps although I had the Make Noise O-Ctrl to help with this. The quantizer lets you easily tune the DFAM to any note you want. Both modules will help in a lot of other ways within any system too.

I have an offer that does appear on the Marketplace page for Morphagene https://www.modulargrid.net/e/make-noise-morphagene but not on Wigglehunt "morphagene". My only guess is that Wigglehunt is just bad at scraping MG marketplace, but I posted it 11 days ago...

Follow up to the above, I was not selecting patches correctly, here's how you do it

Patch select

Needham's stuff really is the bomb when it comes to large-scale studio cabs. But the God Of All Eurorack Cabs has to be something from the crazed Canadians at EMC: https://eurorackmodularcase.com/ ADDAC System also has some enormous cabs that sport 197 hp widths as well as beefy AF power to match, plus you can get a dual 19" rack "topper" with 2 to 5U of space per rack.

The real solution, however, is to just turn all of the walls in your studio into a cab...

Rene is really amazing...for one thing, you can use it as a touchplate controller when it's not being clocked. The Rene/Tempi combo has some interesting voodoo of its own; see here: https://www.makenoisemusic.com/modules/rene

As for the Rampage, it's close to the Maths' source as well; both are different takes on the Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator, which is what the "core" of both derive from. And the DUSG is very legendary in of itself for being a "Swiss Army Knife" module, just like its derivations here.

4 to 6 modules, hm? OK...give me a bit...

[a bit later]

Hawt damn...

Six modules = one complete modular. The modulation source is Tiptop's Buchla 281t. Don got that thing right! Also from Tiptop, the MISO has the ability to turn the 281t's signals into a number of other variations. Then I went with Xaoc's Odessa for bigtime complex waveforms and (because I sneaked the Odessa's expander in there...not counting that one) four-voice polyphony. ALL of the VCAs needed are right there in Erogenous Tones' VC8; you can break them out individually, but you can also mix the Odessa's three outputs down to a single output...and STILL have a second quartet of VCAs and a free submixer! Then for filtering, one of the great pieces of sheer MADNESS...Dave Rossum's Morpheus, named for the (Proteus) Morpheus which first had that wild Z-plane filter. It can be nice and smooth...or it can go for total earrape...and most anything in between. And then the current (and last...sigh...) Mutable granularizer, Beads. 115 hp, $2000 and change.

So what's missing? Not much, really. I would think a Happy Nerding Isolator 2022 could be nice at the end of the voice chain, and maybe a MIDI interface or Expert Sleepers interface for external control. But honestly, those would be IT. The rest of this little build is ready to launch!

EDITED Aug 2nd 2022, 01:00

https://imgur.com/a/Lr7fvGu

Here is what first started as a System Cartesian and an O-Coast from MakeNoise that expanded over time as my journey through modular synthesis evolved.
-- leafoner

-- JimHowell1970

Hello Jim,

Ha, ha, great one! Perhaps you can sell that to Xaoc Devices in exchange of a new great module or something like that ;-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Katef and Lugia,

Katef: Yes definitely or consider a monster rack from Doepfer. You know the saying here on this forum: "You never can have enough VCAs" ;-)

Though one little advice, I would go for a few different VCAs from different brands, an ideal opportunity to test the differences in behaviour and how such VCA sounds! :-D

Lugia: Ha, ha, interesting point!

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Lugia,

Ha, ha, I love that video! I watched it many times however it still is very entertaining and educational too :-) Hence the reason I have several audio interfaces (those Eurorack modules that "export" (sometimes "import") audio to the Eurorack outside world like for example a mixer or in other words these modules transform the higher/hotter Eurorack voltage audio signals into lower audio line level and DC gets filtered away too, if the module is of a certain quality), to make sure this is not happening to my monitors ;-)

Regarding the B. 2600, you only tell me now that those TRS 1/4" jacks are AC coupled... I bought that Lehle 7013 DC filter to make sure non-unexpected-DC-signals from that B. 2600 of mine reaches my monitors ;-) So actually that was not needed, to buy that Lehle DC filter I mean?

Don't get me wrong, I am not regretting to buy that DC filter from Lehle, it's a little nice little box, even stereo! But if I knew this upfront, perhaps it wasn't necessary to buy it :-)

It would be actually interesting to see one testing its monitors, see them going in up in smoke, especially a 2 or 3 way monitor would be interesting to see how that "smokes up" ;-)

Kind regards, Garfield.